venturavin

Seated position is just a factor of reach x seat angle and in bike fitting this distance (saddle to bars) is commonly referred to as the reach even though it is not the reach as per the frame spec sheet. And IMO if we are nit picking to the mm on reach we are talking about seated cockpit reach. Standing reach matters a lot too, but anyone who says standing reach matters down to the mm is officially overthinking it. And if you’re being the literal police, none of these changes to a bike change the literal reach of the bikes frame so are you mad about this whole discussion?

I would add two other real world reasons for running more spacers... preserving steerer length for resale purposes or for compatibility of future bike purposes. Resale be damned, I always do ~3-5mm max under, ~2mm above, then whatever riser bar is needed to get comfortable. Primarily motivated by aesthetics, not going to lie. Never even occurred to me to go that route to alter reach. Never been terribly obsessed with reach numbers, surely between saddle position and stem length you can get plenty of fine tuning on your reach?? IMO the PB community has always had a very unhealthy obsession with reach numbers. When I hear my buddies ranting about reach I say "look I know I love reading Mike Levy's reviews too, but I really don't think it matters let's just ride" Also to me it is definitely one of those things I obsess over when building the bike, but then never think about again after initial setup. I've had bikes where I left the steerer longer out of laziness then rode all season and didn't care about the stack of spacers.

Couldn't agree more. Although it's simply a problem with capitalism. Pretty much every problem people complain (rightfully) about these days is a direct result of capitalism.

"new hole patterns" had me panicked