YT Launches Limited Edition Izzo Blaze With Longer Fork & No Grip Shift
When YT first launched the Izzo in April last year, it marked a new direction for the brand. YT originally defined itself with a range of gravity-fed sleds and, although it had been slowly slipping towards shorter travel frames from Tues to Capra to Jeffsy, it never had a bike you could describe as out-and-out trail.
The Izzo changed all that with 130mm front and rear, a focus on agility and efficiency and, most strikingly, a grip shift lockout for the rear shock. Now, based on customer feedback, YT is launching a new version of the Izzo that pushes it slightly back in the direction of the rest of YT's range. The Izzo Blaze is an upforked version of the Izzo that also does away with that remote lockout and comes with a more gravity-focussed spec.
This RockShox Pike Ultimate boosts the Izzo Blaze's front travel up to 140mm
The front travel now sits at 140mm with a RockShox Pike Ultimate fork. This increase in travel comes hand in hand with a slacker bike. The head angle and seat tube angle have both lost half a degree to sit at 65.5°/66° and 76.5°/77° respectively, depending on where the flip-chip is.
The Fox suspension is gone and with it the RockShox Sprint grip shift lockout, making for a less cluttered cockpit
There are some other changes in the spec too. The Izzo Blaze benefits from the Eagle Expansion, which means it now has a biggest cassette cog of 52T and an increased range. The low tread pattern Maxxis Forecaster tires have also been replaced Minion tires front and rear. Finally, the rear shock is now RockShox (all models of the Izzo up to this point have used Fox suspension) and it comes without the remote lockout, which makes for a neater cockpit.
There are plenty of other spec tweaks here including an extended gear range and beefier tires
 | As a direct-to-consumer brand, we are constantly listening to the feedback the YT Family gives us. We are always looking for opportunities to improve our products. The Izzo Blaze itself is a result of direct feedback we have received since the launch last April. The Blaze model range offers riders from all riding backgrounds a high-end riding experience. |
As we've seen recently with the Shred spec Capra and Decoy as well as raw aluminum versions of the Capra in 29inch and 27.5 inch wheels, YT is keeping this one a limited edition and will be producing just 250 bikes for the Europe & Israel market and 250 for the USA, Canada & Australia market. The bike weighs 13.7kg / 30.2 lb and is priced at €3,999 EUR, £3,599 GBP, $3,999 USD, $5,399 CAD.
YT is also launching Blaze versions of the Jeffsy and Capra. Info on those bikes from YT is below:
YT Jeffsy Blaze
"The Jeffsy is every rider’s best friend. Like riding challenging enduro trails AND churning out hundreds of meters of altitude in a day? Then Jeffsy will have you covered. The modern all-mountain geometry and carbon frame is available in sizes S to XXL. The Twotone Silver color will turn heads on the trails and is limited to 150 bikes both in the US and the rest of the world respectively. The Jeffsy Blaze 29 build enables a playful and exhilarating experience up and down the mountain. Thanks to 150mm travel front and rear courtesy of the RockShox Lyrik Ultimate fork and RockShox SuperDeluxe Ultimate rear shock this all-mountain machine will deal with every rock and root in its path. Additionally, the DT Swiss M 1900 Spline wheelset and Maxxis Minion DHF and DHR II tires guarantee maximum grip when needed. The 12-speed SRAM GX Eagle 52T and its extended range allow for improved climbing abilities while SRAM G2 RSC brakes provide perfect modulation and braking power. The package includes the YT Postman dropper post, Renthal Fatbar 35, and Sensus Lite grips.
Weight: 14.2 kg
Price: €3,999 EUR, £3,599 GBP, $3,999 USD, $5,399 CAD
YT Capra Blaze
"The GOAT is the most popular YT bike and ideal for big hitters! The Capra Blaze 29 is available in frame sizes M to XXL and caters to the needs of bike park rats and enduro enthusiasts alike. The ‘Blaze’ model variation enables maximum adjustability and 170mm of travel thanks to the RockShox Zeb Ultimate fork up front and RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate shock in the rear. This gravity-greedy bike excels on the downhill and will overcome any obstacle with ease while the SRAM Code RSC brakes offer the perfect modulation and braking power you need. Despite its downhill focus, this enduro rig is a capable climber, and the new 12-speed SRAM GX Eagle 52T with its greater range improves the uphill characteristics. Big jumps and highly technical terrain require wheels and tires that live up to heavy-duty riding and big impacts. The DT Swiss E 1900 Spline wheelset and Maxxis Assegai and Minion DHR II tire setup do just that. The package is completed with the YT Postman dropper post, Renthal Fatbar 35, and Sensus Swayze grips."
Weight: 15.0 kg
Price:€3,999 EUR, £3,599 GBP, $3,999 USD, $5,399 CAD
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Big additional bonus: it's in stock for shipment (US), which is something that can't be said for the rest of the Izzo lineup.
Now the UK is not in the EU, why is VAT still being applied at point of sale in Germany? Surely it should be a VAT free sale, and then taxes added on as it is imported.
One would still have to pay VAT at 20% but the import taxes would be a tad less I think, being based on the net cost of the bike, not the cost plus 20%.
Another thing pissing me off is the tax rate at 14%. Ebikes only have to pay 6%. WTF. That's a booboo by the UK government.
Basically, total bollocks.
www.canyon.com/en-gb/mountain-bikes/enduro-bikes/torque/torque-cf-7/2667.html
www.canyon.com/en-tr/mountain-bikes/enduro-bikes/torque/torque-cf-8/2668.html?dwvar_2668_pv_rahmenfarbe=BK%2FBK this model is still cheaper
@DoubleCrownAddict -- Not sure about that, regarding the warranty from SRAM. They warrantied the fork damper on my direct-to-consumer bike through a local bike shop. I brought it in to the shop for service. It wasn't working, they called Rock Shox and got it taken care of. They even upgraded the damper from a Charger to a Charger 2.0, However, that was two years ago, so maybe that has changed.
So you pay the import fees (and whatever else) upfront to YT in one payment with the bike, and YT pay it to the shipping company on your behalf.
I think i'd rather it happen that way than get payment requests from couriers where you have to check if it's legit or not.
I mean, i'd actually rather it didn't happen at all. But since there's no choice i prefer YT's way of doing it (assuming, of course, what they are doing is correct).
I had already made multiple purchases to change my Izzo to my own "Blaze" edition and the rear shock is already on it's way to Fox.
YT may be the ONLY bike manufacturer on the planet capable of getting a mid-top tier bike to consumers right now in four days or less.
I hope this Brexit thing gets worked out for Great Britain soon.
So you're gonna walk into your local bike shop with your discount mail order bike and basically say "I don't support local bike shops but I want you to support me." Some people have no shame I guess.
It’s actually rare for shops to be reimbursed by the company for warranty work.
My company sells and ships to all countries worldwide from the UK ,so now in 2021 when we send stuff to Europe or anywhere outside the UK we do not charge vat , each local authority at place of delivery decides how much fee to pay alongside that countries rate of vat.
It is the same for the USA , but there the new law in 2019 now has each state impose their own rate of import tax and fees , some do some don’t.
Lost me at 16KG bro, that’s how much my 2008 downhill bike weights.
That said, I bet if you polled a random sampling of 100 mountain bike shops, that fewer than 10 would say that "most of their money is made from selling new bikes". It's just not true dude. On a $4500 bike a shop is lucky to make ~$1000 on that sale. Then ask yourself how many $4500 bikes are going out the door every month, on a 12 month basis. It's a lot less than you think, especially if there is a competing shop (or 4) in town. Parts in stock and good service is where it's at.
www.bikemag.com/gear-features/bike-shop/the-new-economy
"A 2017 survey from the National Bicycle Dealers Association (NBDA) cites competition from online retailers as the No. 1 concern among shops. Ask any store owner about gray market OEM Shimano components being dumped online for prices below wholesale, and they will rant like a Dust-Bowl-era farmer. But until now, the threat has only been to sales of components and accessories. That’s a significant chunk of a shop’s income, but the NBDA points out that, on average, new bike sales account for nearly twice the revenue that component and accessory sales do. So, if online sales of complete bikes become as popular as those of aftermarket components, they will have at least double the impact on the bike dealers’ collective bottom lines."
Also, shops only make between 6%-11% of their profits from service and repair parts.
www.bicycleretailer.com/opinion-analysis/2013/06/14/blog-formula-high-profit-bike-stores#.YBzD-1OIak8
"High-profit stores report 11.4 percent of their revenue comes from repair parts and labor, compared to only 6.5 percent for the average."
Don't think you aren't hurting local bike shops when you buy a new bike direct. You're killing them and hurting the local bike community they support. That's why bringing your YT into a local shop for warranty help is a pretty f#cking shameless act.
Nice to see all the negative props of my last post but no rebuttals.
As far as the economy goes, I don't think it hurts the local economy if I buy direct from Germany rather than a local bike shop. Every £1000 saved on my bike is £1000 spent ion something else in the local economy. My local hardware shop, trampoline hall and shoe shop could employ the same logic and complain that bike shops hurt their business. People spend what people have to spend. If it doesn't go on bikes it will go on something else.
I don't feel bad about not supporting local bike shops or any other business. The onus is on businesses to offer consumers a product or service they want or need. If you offer value, the customers will come. If you don't and you go out of business you only have yourself to blame. No one has a right to my money.
1. UK-based/dedicated customer service team.
2. Stock holding of parts for warranty/repairs (replacement parts get shipped to you from their own stock in the mill in england, rather than having to share stock with the rest of europe and then having to get it in from germany).
3. Demo and physical inspection of bikes.
I don't believe they're set up as a distribution centre for their bikes though; you're still buying that from germany. I don't know enough about brexit trade laws to say whether this would eliminate or reduce taxes/duty if they did set up as a dustribution centre.
I must say though, The Mill is a good idea for anyone unsure on DTC brands. The savings are even more tempting if you know you've got UK-based support if things go wrong.
I was tempted with an Intense. Knowing they had a base in Bristol meant that, if the worst happened and i had no help from calls and emails etc; i could at least drive to Bristol and dump the frame at their front door and insist somebody do something about it.
This always comes to mind when people talk about how important it is to support the LBS scene.
There seems to be an idyllic notion of the local bike shop. I'm not saying that people don't have that experience. But it's not the same for everyone.
I, and a few friends, have received received awful service from a local bike shop (mine was in just trying to buy a bike from them - which i ultimately didn't, based on the experience). I was looking at DTC brands as an alternative. Even if YT's customer service is as bad as you read in the comments section, i'd be in the same position if i'd bought from LBS. I'd just have paid a couple of grand more for it.
I'd be more than happy to support an LBS that deserved it. But as you say, the onus is on them to build customer loyalty.
It's also worth thinking about the fact that the newer generations of riders are being brought up with amazon prime near-instant delivery and such-like. Why wouldn't they be buying bikes the same way they buy everything else - especially when you look at the difference in spec/value/price DTC brands can offer. I think there will always be a place for the LBS. But the nature of commerce has changed and they can't rely on older generations to prop them up going forward. They need to adapt and work out what they need to offer the newer generations in order to be a sustainable business.
All this does is hurt the image of local bike shops, and allows people to more easily justify buying bikes from Germany. Which does in fact hurt the local bike communities all over the world.
When you don't support local bike shops it also makes it difficult for them to be about to pay better wages to their employees and hire more qualified mechanics and sales people, which leads better service from customers. Many, if not most people who work in bike shops simply do it because they have a passion for it, and could make more money on another field.
I don't mind paying more to support local bike shops, and if more people did it instead of making easy excuses to save money, the industry would be stronger at the local level. Instead It's quickly dying in many areas, which hurts the local bike scene.
Quite how it hurts the local scene if people make "easy excuses" and buy a bike from Germany is difficult to see. £20,000 spent on YT Capras could equal ten riders riding in the local area. £20,000 spent on Santa Cruzes (which are made in China anyway) would be three riders riding. Lower prices make the sport more accessible. How does that hurt the local riding scene? If anything it's the opposite. The only thing it hurts is the local bike shop. If local bike shops were so good and so essential, why are they going out of business left right and centre? It's because they don't offer a product or service that represents good VFM. That's why. People can fix their own bikes. People can buy stuff on the internet and fit it themselves. It's not rocket science to undo a 5mm Allen bolt and do it up again.
I get it they have to charge more to pay for their rent and bills but someone else I know has the same problems and I care a lot more about him and his kids than I do about LBSs.
In my area there are a few small places that have sprung up doing bike services, some of them from their own garages, some from vans. I applaud them for trying to carve out a niche and offer good value service. There is no presumption on their part that they are entitled to my business.
Obviously people prefer that.
Evolve or die!
The particular bike shop i was referring to in my earlier comment (probably the biggest in my area) treated me rather disdainfully, so why would i support them and give them my money? If they don't want to value me as a customer, i'm happy to send my business to CRC and DTC brands instead.
However, when you look at how people shop and purchase generally nowadays, the DTC business model was an inevitability - there's no logical reason that commerce in this industry wouldn't change the same ways as any other industry/market has. When you're talking about the price difference between equivalent bikes being sometimes thousands of $/€/£'s, it's harder justify why you'd be the martyr foregoing those savings to keep traditional shops going. Or why anyone should be expected to.
I mean no disrespect to anyone who works, owns or runs a bike shop - i know there are a lot that read and comment here. I sincerely hope there is a strong future for bike shops. But if the world is changing, surely they have to change with it. Now that DTC is here, and possibly getting bigger, they have to work out what they can offer that DTC can't. They need to work with it, not against it.
I have no idea what the answer is for them. But it makes no sense to expect or hope people will continue to support them without changing just to continue the tradition of [what we are not far off saying] "how we used to buy things". Especially since the number of customers with that mindset will dwindle with the newer generations coming through.
"Lower prices make the sport more accessible. How does that hurt the local riding scene?"
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.redbull.com/gb-en/why-you-should-support-local-bike-shop
"This may come as somewhat of a surprise to anyone who lives primarily online, but human interaction isn’t always the worst thing in the world. There’s something nice about getting to know the crew at your local bike shop, and many will offer social rides too. Biketrax run a fortnightly Wednesday ride from their shop in central Edinburgh to the Pentland Hills, an 100km hill range just 30 minutes cycle away.
“We probably haven’t got that much in the way of sales out of it but just to have it is great,” Pete says. “Really, that’s the reason everyone is in that shop, because they like going on rides and they like meeting people. We’ve had people who’ve just come to the city to come with us on a Wednesday.”
Remember, with all the chaos in running a local bike shop, there’s still an obvious reason why those who do it do it.
We asked how sustainable it is to run a local bike shop. Pete replies simply: “Brutal.”
Asked why they do it, and he says: “Bikes! Everyone wants to work in something they believe in and I really believe in cycling as a force for good.
“It doesn’t have to be for someone who is a competitive rider. It’s probably even better for people who are just getting on their first bike since they were 12 and thinking ‘I’m going to cycle to work and get a bit fitter and get outdoors’. To support people into that is superb.
“Think about the percentage of our country which is taken up by car and road space. Bikes can reduce that. They make everything more sustainable.”
At the end of the day, it’s hard to argue with that – even if it does mean saving ten percent."
I've bought e bikes from local shops and they have been able to provide a level of service that you couldn't even dream about compared to if I had mail ordered them from Germany. If you have one of YT's proprietary designed products, your screwed if you want quick service or need to find a part quickly. YT also won't honor warranties as willingly as a local shop from what I've read, because there is no face to face accountability and they can just screw you with an email if they question it at all. There are stories in the YT forum about this. But... and this is absurd, if you file with a report with the Better Business Bureau, then YT pays more attention to your denied warranty. Also a story about that in the forum.
1. I had a Capra last year and nothing went wrong with it.
2. I haven't talked shit about any bike shop. I stated that local bike shops don't offer me anything I want to buy. Much like local nail salons, pet shops and dress makers. Is that talking shit for you?
YT on the other hand actually reduces the costs of doing business and passes those savings along to the customer.
You could also call it a Rune bike.
– lets make it a limited edition with 250 bikes.. Very customer-orientated..
It would have been better to position the Izzo as a no questions asked Downcountry bike by limiting the rear to 120mm and sliding a 120mm SID into that headtube... then of course remove those Forcasters for a Rekon and Dissector combo. This would have lightened it up, improved maneuverability and grip.
Of course then it would be a Spur clone...
At what point is it the rider and not the bike...?
How many people is still waiting for their 2020 orders?
Seen people on the YT UK Facebook page saying that they have had to have replacement bolts sent to friends in Europe, and then they have posted them to the UK for them.
Great bikes but s41t service, that said I still love my 2016 Capra AL comp and not felt any need to part with it yet.
I look at the prices for a new one and feel like I was lucky to have purchased my one with the speck it had for the price.
I’ve got two YT’s in the shed, and their actually outstanding bikes, despite what that other guy says, but bike markering & media hype has gotta stop selling people lies! End rant, go ride!
As is... in 130/130mm or 130/140mm its a Trail bike not a DC bike.
Considering it's the same frame and they ditched the lockout, this is what I'm seeing ballpark:
Fork: + 0.5-0.75 lbs with the Pike Ultimate (vs. Fox 34)
Shock: + 0.1 lbs
Wheels: + 0.75 - 1.0 lbs (vs E13; although considering the problems with E13 stuff, I might err on the side of the DT Swiss stuff)
Tires: +1.0-1.2 lbs (for both)
So considering weight added is on the high end, +2.7 to 3.0 lbs added is not unreasonable based on the beefier build.
Is the Spur living up to the hype? is it realy only 25 lbs? I'm building mine up with Industry Nine Hydra, 270s, Saint Brakes, 203 rotors and an XT Drvitrain with a carbon crank, Im hoping It will come in arround 27lbs. I also have an enduro bike so I hope it will be a great compliment to do some Beer League XC racing, lots of trail riding, and the mild single track beer league enduro.
What are your thoughts on the Spur already being an owner?
Your particular build will also require the SID Ultimate fork (its 0.5lbs lighter than the Select+ and 0.3 lighter than the 34SC) to get close... those large rotors and brakes will add some weight, and the XT drivetrain will bump it up a bit too. You didn't mention tires... that can swing you bit in either direction as well.
My Large Spur XX1 build with pedals, weighs 26.7+/- on my scale (which is not a scientific level calibrated device). I think you may end up closer to 28 (assuming 32h wheels, and large frame).
Its the best bike I have ever ridden. So capable, confident, fast, controllable, flickable, and plush all in one package. My other bike is an SB165... those two cover the entire spectrum for me.
As for the ride, I have an SB150 and know my trail system very well and usual line choices. The bottom line is that if you are a confident enduro rider, you will find yourself being very comfortable going very fast on the spur. Sometimes you forget and it’s too fast for this kind of bike. My immediate take away was that the geometry makes the bike stable at speed, and the SID suspension works really really well. The combination makes for rig that I get away with the SB150 lines more often than not. Take what you want from that.
I don’t know your terrain, but for casual xc races and mild enduro it’s a rocket. I’ve never ridden an Izzo to compare, but doubt you will disappointed with the Spur. Hope this helps!
Definitely written by someone who rides.
Zero innovation. No EP8 in the Decoy Range. No mullet Tues. No new Capra.
YT is no longer YT. It is now Old Talent that has went out into the pasture to die!
Even with record sales you have to keep innovating. Hasn't stopped the rest of the industry from pushing out great new updates (Commencal, Canyon, etc.)
Yeah so product development is different from retail marketing.
And now we can see how . . . .
Let alone 2 year old used jeffsy are selling for more than new.
parkcitymountainbike.com/i-hate-jeffsy
And maybe some rape culture images to appeal to the wife beater crowd?
m.pinkbike.com/photo/20058412
Or how about some cartoon-porn images of women in the basement sitting on a dirty bucket?
m.pinkbike.com/photo/20058234
Probably safe to say YT will never produce gender specific bikes for women. Also hilarious that they feel obligated to highlight that the bike doesn't come with Grip Shift in the year 2021. Maybe they should also go out of the way to point out that it doesn't come with e13 pain in the ass components?
new that knob end would be in this comment section
www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=227030&pagenum=3#commentid6962268
www.pinkbike.com/news/yt-announces-tax-break-donation.html#cid2808147
I mean, if you think about it, the beetle was worshipped by the ancient Egyptians who were the original antisemites.
It all makes sense if you take a big enough toke on whatever it is you are smoking
Still, Iit's good you have a hobby in these troubled times.
m.pinkbike.com/photo/20058284
This is the female hating white trash brand of the bike industry, that much is clear.
@matadorCE: nothing is outside the realms of possibility, but like @Rokcore said quite beautifully: apophenia (great word). Then again, I quite enjoyed the SRAM Eagle nazi imagery BS, much of which I perpetrated.
Speaking of PC, I see that you are commenting from one. Did you know that IBM (from which your BIOS was originally cloned by Compaq) sold the Nazis the punch-card computing system they used to manage the Holocaust? (Google it). Using your absurd penchant for extrapolation, you seem to have blood on your own hands, do you not?
And don't ever slide into my DMs again with your crackpot Neo-Norse theories that Vali Höll riding a YT is code for some master plan Odinist Vallhalla conspiracy again. You probably just copy and paste that shitpost anyway
"In Norse mythology, Valhalla (/vælˈhælə, vɑːlˈhɑːlə/;[1] from Old Norse Valhǫll "hall of the slain")[2] is a majestic, enormous hall located in Asgard, ruled over by the god Odin. Chosen by Odin, half of those who die in combat travel to Valhalla upon death, led by valkyries, while the other half go to the goddess Freyja's field Fólkvangr. In Valhalla, the dead warriors join the masses of those who have died in combat (known as the Einherjar) and various legendary Germanic heroes and kings, as they prepare to aid Odin during the events of Ragnarök. Before the hall stands the golden tree Glasir, and the hall's ceiling is thatched with golden shields. Various creatures live around Valhalla, such as the stag Eikþyrnir and the goat Heiðrún, both described as standing atop Valhalla and consuming the foliage of the tree Læraðr."
You can try to deflect all you want, but you’re accusing innocent people of being nazis because of your personal mental issues. You already admitted to ignorantly linking Höll’s bike design to nazi symbols (before I called you out for it), so stop this hate spewing tirade.... get help.
Seriously speak to a doctor before your bad mental situation gets worse.
Speaking as somebody who suffered with severe stress ans anxiety in my 20's, the sooner you get help the better, an there is no shame in it.I wish you all the best but, FK man, your'e in a spiral of making yourself a target. PB forums aren't like some other conspiracy forums and sites you may be in where other like minded nut bars re'enforce a twisted belief set. Here your'e only going to be ridiculed and pointed out for the conspiracy rabbit hole you are so obviously lost in.........
All the best dude
@suspended-flesh: lol, the desperate right wing Qanon conspiracy nutcases are ganging up on me with more lies and nonsensical babble, how predictable.
You guys should get together and share some ideas with Marjorie Taylor Greene. She's one of the few girls who would also like YT's offensive marketing towards women that you conspiracy kooks don't mind. Don't you think you would both have alot in common with her?
HAHAHA.
Seriously though, seek help.
parkcitymountainbike.com/i-hate-jeffsy
And maybe some rape culture images to appeal to the wife beater crowd?
m.pinkbike.com/photo/20058412
Or how about some cartoon-porn images of women in the basement sitting on a dirty bucket?
m.pinkbike.com/photo/20058234
What other bike company has done cartoon porn with women in a basement sitting on a bucket?
The point isn't to 'win' the argument, the point is to present your views and discuss like an adult, not spit your dummy when someone calls out your viewpoint as tenuous.
I've said this to you before: Look at the sheer number of people here who oppose the extremity of your views, they aren't (all) crazy YT fanboys or racists or sexists, it's a position of logical insanity to think that anyone who opposes your view only serves to confirm your view. That's autocratic thinking.
Here's a fun thought-experiment: Imagine you are the president of the a major western democracy and you are reading a lot of things in the press about how bad your ideas and speeches are. Now you have some choices:
A: Lambast the press for not agreeing with you, they are against you, so they are enemies of the people and proof of a wider conspiracy.
B: Accept the criticism, no one gets everything right, it's impossible to please everyone, it's part of public speaking and part of the job, they have the right to freely express themselves too.
Hmm?
Back to the point:
I agree there's a bit of Bro Culture in the YT ads, there are also skulls and other macho symbols in their branding. It's mountain biking and they are only doing what countless Skate, BMX and Motocross brands have done before in leveraging that edgy dark symbolism, its co-opting the counter-culture of punk and metal and many more, if anything that's the real offence. If you don't like their marketing style, then that's fine, but trying to drag it into the morally offensive category is puritanism that Mary Whitehouse would find hard to justify.
It's much more than several degrees away from subliminal nazi symbolism, there's a bit of tired sexism to the I Hate Jeffsy campaign, hopefully they will grow out of it, it's a gross and disingenuous exaggeration to say this is misogyny though.
If you are going to respond, please weigh your words.
Why are you choosing to die on the bridge of Germanophobia, while trying to demonstrate your anti-bigotry credentials. You don't get a free pass because you have strong views on gender equality. Your arguments still need to be reasonable.
"I've said this to him before, I've even let the Mods know.... (something that I NEVER do and I'v had some bullshit debates turn into idle threats on this site) "
Don't worry, crybaby tattletale, I'm not threatening you in any way. I actually communicated with a mod, who said, I quote:
"Criticizing YT's use of sexist plotlines and marketing is fine"
Which is exactly what I've focused on in this thread. But I got a kick out of your use all caps to try to reassure us that you aren't a crybaby tattletale, when you obviously are. Any company who uses sexist plotlines and marketing has no place in the bike industry, and while it's obviously not going to offend the white trash, wife-beating MAGA crowd that YT has successfully tried to appeal to(I also haven't mentioned here yet that YT thought it would be a great marketing promotion to donate a free custom YT bike to UFC fighter "Cowboy" Cerrone, the outspoken Trump supporter who has been publicly accused of racist & sexist behavior), it is offensive to most women(except perhaps Marjorie Taylor Greene), families, and those concerned about non- violence & equality in cycling.
@Steventux: I'm obviously not too worried about alienating myself from a crowd that condones YT's obviously offensive marketing images, their use of Nazi Rune writing, and said German companies consistent use of Nordic and Pagan imagery that is frequently associated with white supremacist movements. If you want to be associated with all that, that's your prerogative and I'm OK with alienating myself from you.
The fact that you are criticizing me for little light jibs against a few people, and completely ignoring the heavy and unnecessary name calling and other lame distractions at myself, shows your own clear bias here.
You wrote:
"I agree there's a bit of Bro Culture in the YT ads"
I would call 2 of the images more "rape culture", and others have also, bro.
You wrote:
"there's a bit of tired sexism to the I Hate Jeffsy campaign, hopefully they will grow out of it, it's a gross and disingenuous exaggeration to say this is misogyny though."
I sorta consider that statement itself "disingenuous exaggeration". For some reason it reminded me of when Susan Collins said Trump had "learned his lesson" from the first impeachment, before he went on to cause the violent insurrection at the Capital building. YT has shown its true colors with their sexist plotlines and repeated use of unnecessary but offensive marketing images.
In fact I think it's more plausible that you are in fact someone with deep seated far-right views playing games and masquerading as some pastiche-SJW. You like the attention and you are in your own way mocking those who believe in equality. It's like Waki is having a bit of fun, but he could at least put cogent arguments together when he wasn't frothing out too much.
Whatever the motivation, it's clear you love the attention of this kind of rabid Redditer shitfest, you need to take a good look at why you are embroiled in this sort of conflict all over PB and, if you are indeed geniune, get some help.
I have also reported you as an abusive user. I think you are sabotaging these comments sections with your cartoon views and using it as a space to abuse others who are bound to disagree with your lunacy. It's trolling and it's really f*cking dull. Go back to Reddit or 4Chan or whatever.
I hope Pinkbike can have a quiet word, I don't agree with banning people. I won't be giving you any more oxygen though.
Bye x
"In fact I think it's more plausible that you are in fact someone with deep seated far-right views playing games"
Nice to see you've also put on your tin foil hat as a last desperate resort. Perhaps YT should market a bike with the tin foil look, I think it might be successful with this crowd.
Or better yet, how about a YT WTWB(white trash wife beater) special edition bike made from the Jeffsy base. I'm envisioning one fork leg having the exact porn cartoon image YT used, and the other gets the exact image of the baseball wielding, Nordic tattooed musclehead they used in another image. The head tube gets the exact same YT rape culture image of the beast attacking a female. Would any of you white male YT fanboys buy it?
I used all caps to iterate that's how concerned I am for yourself........
Etc etc
m.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=223998
m.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=219590
How's that tin foil hat you're wearing today feeling?
You wrote: "I have also reported you as an abusive user."
If you're going to be a crybaby tattletale, it helps to have something valid to cry about. That's as silly as me saying I reported you as an abusive wife-abuser, which I don't think you are even though you don't mind those kind of images too much in YT's marketing.
I think it's a new illness that healthcare won't understand for a long while until it's too late.......
So would you be willing to ride the YT WTWB I proposed earlier?
The Internet is an imaginary kingdom where I am your master.
#youcantwin
Nobody had disputed the fact that YT Bikes has created marketing images that glorify violence against, and degrade women.
Nobody has disputed the fact that YT Bikes has used cartoon-porn images of women in a degrading manner in their marketing.
Nobody has disputed the fact that YT bikes has used Nazi Rune writing symbols in it's products it sells:
m.pinkbike.com/photo/20058284
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a
I think in this case though we are dealing with either a busy little troll or more likely a trollbot, there's no substance and no social awareness or skill to the content. It's also posted in batches and regurgitates the same themes and phrases without any massive variation.
So I'm inclined to think we've all been fished in...
"Bots often use formulaic or repetitive language in posts. Also, if an account posts the same link over and over or seems fixated on one topic, that's another telltale sign of a bot."
Also nice to see you are completely unable to dispute any of the facts posted in my last post.