Construction and Features Easiest to spot is the layout change that the Izzo has. Given the concept of appealing to the non-goggle crowd and bringing more enjoyment to the ups and traverses, the drivers behind the Izzo project were different from that of the other bikes in their line. Weight gained more, well, weighting in the criteria, but so too did having good stiffness at that low weight. And while the Izzo has the least travel of any YT bike, suspension performance was also high on the list. Smaller drivers, like better hydration possibilities, also played a role in driving the frame layout change.
Shorter link lengths with less overlap help reduce the amount of material between pivot or load points, and opening up the front triangle gives more space for a larger water bottle on all sizes for the thirsty work of being on the gas pedal more often.
The Izzo's front triangle, chainstays, and seat stay are all constructed from carbon fiber, while the compact link is made from two separate forgings of aluminum welded together in the center of its bridge. All Izzo models share the same lightweight frame.
Inside that tiny link is a small 4mm long flip-chip, allowing you to switch between a low and high mode. There’s a 0.5-degree change in head and seat angle and a 5mm change in bottom bracket height, along with some other changes to the likes of reach and chainstay length.
It uses single-sided hardware that houses the threads directly in the link to allow for narrower packaging around your legs while still being easy to access, and it keeps the drive-side of the bike looking clean. The rest of the hardware remains easy to access and, around the main pivot, it doubles up its duties by guiding the cables from the front triangle to the rear of the bike.
All cable routing is internal, with split bolt-on guides at the head tube and rubber grommets around the rest of the frame where the cables enter and exit.
The shock is now mounted vertically in the frame and puts all those loads down towards the bottom bracket, an area that needed to be strong and stiff anyway. That frees up the tubes of the bike to simply be tubes, requiring less reinforcement and so material.
The boxy bottom bracket area handles those loads but almost looks a little out of place on the bike in such close proximity to the slender and sharp top tube and rear triangle. As the bottom bracket builds up to the lower shock mount, it does create a bit of a collection hot-spot for debris and mud. YT included a drain hole on the side for any water that gets trapped in there. YT also opted for a standard eyelet shock, forgoing the shorter eye-to-eye trunnion option, stating, quite politely, that it didn’t offer any performance advantages, and they could achieve the desired packaging with the standard eyelet shock.
That 210 x 55mm shock is also fitted with a remote lockout. Situated at the handlebar is the RockShox Sprint lockout with a Grip Shift-like twist action and a button for release.
There’s also a PressFit 92mm bottom bracket, and Boost hub and chainring spacing. Out back, there’s 82mm of tire clearance on the seat stays and 79mm on the chainstays. The specced Maxxis Forecasters measure up at 60mm wide on the 30mm (internal) DT rims, giving just over 9mm of tire clearance and allowing space for meatier rubber to be used if that’s your thing.
Brakes are post-mount 160 front and rear, although the bike does come specced with a larger 180mm rotor at the back and a 200mm at the front. YT uses its own seat clamp with some additional sealing around the 31.6mm post. Frame protection is found all over, with a dual-density chainstay protector and a single-density version for the seat stay. There’s also clear stick-on frame protection on the lower part of the down tube and around high-wear areas, like out at the end of the chainstays.
On the underside of the top tube is a two-bolt mount for a gear strap, and YT uses their own Fidlock mounted bottle, aptly named the Thirstmaster, with two versions available that offer 600ml and 835ml capacity.
The overall design of the Izzo follows that Katana sword idea, with sharp detailing on the top tube that carries all the way down the seat stay. In my eyes, it is a lovely looking little bike. That continuous design line from the head tube to drop out also drives a low standover.
Thats what the review says - thats neither a fair nor an objective comparison. And thus its kinda pointless.
Both bikes approach the trail segment with a more modern cross-country flavor rather than coming from the opposing enduro bike end. Both bikes cover ground and climb well, too. But, interestingly, there are three years between them and the seating position between the two feels remarkably similar. I’m really a fan of steeper seat angles and, for me, the comfort they bring when climbing or pushing hard on the pedals for long periods. Perhaps YT could have gone steeper with the Izzo, but at least it can be remedied by running the seat further forwards."
Retail price for most mainstream companies bike's in France is in the 1.8x-2x wholesale price range ...
So it give you an idea of margins from raw to wholesale...
I can give you the production cost of a mainstream company alloy or CF full-sus frame exwork in TW if you like to put a real value on what you maybe ride, but it will tear you apart ;-)
Better put some money on a Nicolai if you want to invest in design, conception and materials rather than marketing, multiples commercial intermediaries, transport, custom and importation fees...
High-end bikeshops don't sell a huge amount of bikes per month but they still need to pay salaries and rent, so the markup per bike has to be quite big. This is the main reason why you get better components per € from companies like YT and Canyon. I just got a Canyon road bike for 1200 € and a comparable model from a bike shop would be around 1700-1800 €.
Old school seat tube plus new school reach equals seated fit problem, esp for long-legged riders
"But after finding the right setting for the bike, where the trails cover small forested hills like spiders’ webs, where you’re always looking to get a few pedals in to keep the speed and fun levels up, the Izzo becomes a riot."
and
"For the trails that go up, down, and around with your dropper up and down like a fiddler’s elbow, the Izzo is a hoot."
And realized this is a perfect description of most of the riding in Arkansas (and a ton of other places).
I am pretty sure the staff is also quite capable. I mean: Mike Levy rode with Gee Atherton and was hauling ass. Kazimer wouldn't have stayed far behind. You broke two frames during last field tests and I don't think it happened while doing a wheelie in a parking lot. But I really would like to see how it happened and how you guys are treating the bikes being tested.
Sincerely yours,
They could do POV runs of the type of thing they are testing on though to give us an idea of how their terrain compares to our own but it wouldn't be a Sick Edit tm.
We gave great pump tracks. Currently there isn't really a great jump area. The one they have built is closed constantly due to drainage problems (evidently Velosolutions is about to come in and pave/fix a lot of it, so that's encourage). They've also recently redone a "slopestyle" zone, and it's pretty suitable for dirt jumpers.
That being said: the rumor is that there's going to be a very large indoor complex in the near future (think Rays meets Woodward).
And what's with the pathetic grip shift lockout? Are we technologically going back in time 10-15 years or have some companies still not figured out how to design efficient peddlers?
Also, I don't see any Japanese influence on this bike, it's Japanese influenced marketing, which is nothing but nothing but fluff. Some vague sharp detailing on the top tube equals Japanese influence? Give me an intellectual integrity break.
Specialized made some p series bikes years ago with national themes where the bike actually represented the country visually.
Cashed out of South FL and moved to NWA last fall. Zero regrets. And back on topic: this kind of short travel 29er would be the perfect 1 bike solution for NW Arkansas (and probably alot of other places too).
And, with moving launch dates and global weirdness at the moment it won't always be possible.
As for breaking bikes during the Field Test, one of them broke on camera during the little huck to flat, and the other one broke on a warm up A-line lap—the one time we didn't have a GoPro on. Ugh.
It's definitely going to happen. The only real question is how far along the project is. I've heard everything from "a warehouse has already been purchased" to "they haven't decided where it's going, yet."
I'm getting kinda sick and tired of all these reviews of downcoutry (oooff) bikes that complain that they don't descend like Enduro or Downhill machines.
Pinkbike, recommendation, when putting together test videos splice slow-mo riding through unique obstacles and provide commentary on the bike's response through the obstacle...that would be great way to evaluate the bike and provide an enjoyable and valued review to watch.
Heey-ohh!!
Don’t know why people are downvoting you for getting lyrics right lol.
I'm ok with it though.
Maybe we’re finally witnessing the comeback of more agile bikes? If anyone can make that idea cool again it’s YT
If only 20% of your average ride is techy downhill, but that’s what puts the biggest grin on your face, get a bike that excels at that and suffer a touch more on the way up.
If you really love long explorations with varied terrain, get a shorter travel trail bike and enjoy the whole ride.
If you’re a cardio bunny that loves grabbing KOMs on the climbs, get your Lycra-clad beautifully sculpted thighs on a XC rig and happily wave at the endurbros as they pass you on the way down.
‘Course, it also goes the other way round. When I was on my Nomad I basically lived for fast, steep tech descents. After a year on my Smuggler and training for a stage race, I’ve come to enjoy more of my local mountain, and actually beat all my downhill PR’s from when I had the Nomad through the little-known secret technique known only to the most elite, high-level racers like myself called “occasionally pedaling through the flats”.
TL;DR: Buy the right bike for the kind of riding you love most, even if that might not be the ideal bike for your everyday rides.
However, with regards to the article, I'm left wondering where does the Izzo fit here? I would guess in the shorter travel trail bike category but then, again, I question why you would not want more stable geometry on the descents as that's where the danger lies. What do you gain from marginally better handling on climbs on a non-xc race bike?
In my mind it speaks of MTB conservatism. There's a portion of riders out there who scoff at that which differs from the traditional. Dropper posts, wider bars, shorter stems, disc brakes, even rear suspension back in the day, all were torn down as being needless, over complicated, and gimmicks. I feel like the same is happening with "aggressive" geometry now, and this is a bike that appeases those folk, which is fine, but which also leads me to scratch my head a little in confusion.
Maybe I just haven't seen the light on the slacker trail bikes. Ive only demo'd a couple of times on a bike slacker than the Spectral so my experience is a bit limited.
Its so much fun because i dont have to go half speed on the downhills, its so stable and safe despite the low travel
It is good to see new options for riders who don't ride super steep or super rough.
And is not better, dude, is just a different flavor, a matter of you and your taste buds
That's a very reasonable question, I'll explain my situation and hopefully, it will make sense. I'm in my mid-50s. My first full-suspension bike was a 2012 XC Giant Anthem 29er. Nice bike, peddled great but when I started riding steeper and sketchier trails, I endoed a couple of times. So I finally started looking for something more of a trail bike with slacker geometry for safety reasons. I looked at Yetis, Pivots, and Santa Cruz. I settled on a 2019 SC Hightower CS and man it is planted and no more endos. However, my new bike and the other new enduro-based trail bikes i had demoed (the SCs,Yetis, Pivots), the faster you go, the better it performs. Which means I find myself having to go faster than I should to get the best out of it. This is dangerous for an older rider with kids in college and a ridiculous mortgage in the San Francisco Bay Area. So a bike like this, that performs better at lower speed is a plus, especially with dealing with slower switchbacks and techie climbs on narrow trails beside the downhill bombs. On top of that, in order to get a good 13-14 mile ride after work, I have to do 2,500-3,500 feet of climbing to get that around where I live. Do that 3-4 times a week, and these older legs are in a perpetual state of soreness and never get to recover. So all that climbing pain is overshadowing all the downhill fun that comes afterward. On top of that, when I do get to do more flowy trails, the 29er tire on these bigger sleds take some effort to get back up to speed again, compared to the shorter-travel trail bikes. If you are a highly skilled rider you can make a Wal-Mart bike do anything, but how many of us are at that level? A lighter and easier to maneuver bike that has some modern but not crazy geometry and 130 mm of travel is more than enough for 95% of what I ride. And in that other 5% that I encounter, the Izzo will hopefully allow me to take them slower without compromising its performance. I hope that answers your question.
The Pivot Trail 429 is comparable in weight and intention, but cost a few grand more for similar builds. There aren't too many sub 27lbs aggressive short travel bikes anymore. Ripley, Spark Trail, Top Fuel might be it.
The new YT Izzo Trail bike looks good, but when I saw the weight at 29lbs with lighter Forekaster tires, I was quite surprised. I think YT has a good idea to finally jump on the popular short travel bike category, but really missed the mark with such a heavy bike for this category. It also looks like this bike is confused on what it wants to be. It's definitely not a very capable short travel downhiller, especially when the reviewers 2017 Scott Spark has better technical descending capabilities and at 29lbs, it sure isn't going to out climb lighter bikes like the Scott Spark.
Too bad YT, great looking bike, but if you had made it lighter, you might have something here, but there are so many capable bikes available that are not only lighter, but better at going up and down...
XC Race 120mm 24lbs / XC Trail 130mm 26lbs / Trail 140mm 28lbs / AllMtn 150mm 29lbs / Enduro 160 mm 30lbs
My made in USA biked was also about the same price.
I always wonder why people pay 5300€ for a bike with marginal better parts when you can get away with 3000€.
9mm of clearance, and at 165 lbs you can still flex the back end enough to buzz the tire? Are you sure it's hitting the chainstay and you're not just hearing the tire and ground interacting? Because if it is hitting the chainstay, that's f*cking terrible, and would immediately take this bike off my list, and I'd think off of most people's lists.
And to each their own but I’ve found DT Swiss wheels to be a bit more on the compliant side of the spectrum vs my 32h i9s with aluminum spokes.
The effective seat tube angle is 77 in the low setting. And it's dated? I get that the actual angle isn't 77, but geez. How does YT measure effective st angle? At the top of the seat tube or something?
Personally, I don't like eSTA's steeper than 74 because most of my rides are on up-down-up-down traversing terrain. I like a more roadie-like power position.
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Seems like they measure effective ST with a seat height at the top of the head tube. I think most of us run our seats quite a bit higher than that, so maybe this is why it feels slacker than 77 degrees.
Your remark is confusing because road actual angles are mostly much closer to effective angles. The closer they are, the more we can ignore leg length, femur/tibia length ratio, and foot/cleat placement. Position over pedals should be independent of terrain, provided front center is long enough to accommodate the more forwardly located center of mass. BMX and DH don't count, since hard pedaling is standing only.
Have a look at Fezzari La Sal Peak (78/75 actual). If your eyes don't spontaneously combust, you'll see a roadie pedaling position mated to mtb steering. I'd say more, but people seem to hate this topic. The default suggestion is: demo event.
For a strong pedalling position roadies and XC racers have it right with STA’s between 72 & 74 deg. Loads of data on this.
Sounds like it suits a more traditional XC position very well.
This is an interesting statement. So, 77 degree seat tube angle is dated and stretched seated position? Is the 2030 Grim Donut's 83 degree STA the new norm? I must have been cryofreezed at some point and regained consciousness back to the future.
What's causing that difference? Izzo has pretty modern geo, and you said it's got a super progressive rear suspension, and those are what is often quoted as making those bigger bikes feel more capable...
My Jeffsy came with a zero-stack headset top cap and a couple of stem spacers in the box. I think all production models come supplied with them.
I also wanted to ride the bike as specced from YT rather than swap out a bunch of parts to make an XL fit better.
Seriously asking - not trying to argue. More trying to understand if there is some consideration I am missing for geo vetting.
A longer reach + shorter stem will create a tighter, heavier (less leverage) and more responsive steering feel. The downside is that this selection would reduce weight on the front wheel, as the front-center and wheel position grows relative to the reach from the BB.
cyclingtips.com/2015/03/how-does-stem-length-affect-a-bikes-steering-and-handling
www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/20140601_MechanicalAdvantageTrail_Heine.pdf
www.pinkbike.com/news/exploring-the-relationship-between-handlebar-vs-stem-length.html
But I talk, I talk but all of this is obvious I hope.
However the issue with all these bikes is that the pro model that gets reviewed has a respectable weight... but the lower models weigh as much as a light-ish enduro bike, defeating the point of them really.
E.g. the Orbea Oiz in any alloy version is over 30lbs. The 25lb models are $5k. Bet the 'comp' Izzo is 32lbs at least.
Which reach/stack/top tube measurement is shown in the geometry chart? High or Low?
I heavily factor reach and stack numbers when purchasing bikes and a 6-8 mm change is a big deal.
How long is the seatpost?
I really dont want to buy size xxl... im to old school to have such long reach.
Im an old xc-racer becoming more and more trail-biker
M1700 wheels, G2 RS brakes, and Fox perf elite shock & fork.
On the bottle or on the piece on the frame?
You simply screw the holding plate onto the bottle with a coin, and attach the (previously called "Gravity Kit") metal strap with two screws. There is no glue?
Cf. fstatic1.mtb-news.de/v3/24/2475/2475072-wr8d1y4zqlrq-20200506_145756-original.jpg
If I shake my empty bottle, I also hear a little rattle. This comes from the locking mechanism though: fstatic1.mtb-news.de/v3/24/2475/2475071-h4pzjiaw1f8e-20200506_150036-original.jpg
I'm going to give them another chance till the end of summer, then I´ll see if they stay or not...
Other thing to notice is that at the bottom of the first trails I didn't move outwards the lever reach in case I've overheated them and the bite point came back as the brake temperature decreased on the uphill wich never did.
This summer I tried a couple of bikes with code R's and guide R's wich worked flawlessly with minimal noticeable fade.
Nukeproof Reactor 275 is a hoot.
It never needs much body language or effort to get it around steep, tight turns or up and over steps or roots in a climb."
And those big steps lifting up the entire weight of rider and bike, if the suspension wasn't utilized as much, doesn't suck away any speed? And it definitely would need more body language if the suspension was firmer and soaking up less of the trail.
Yes!
Yes!
"...PressFit 92mm bottom bracket"
NOOOOOOOOO!
The 616mm ett seems like a good compromise. For comparison, I have a similar bike with 630mm ett, 20mm setback post, 65mm stem and 760mm bars, and I'm 2" shorter than you. The presence of a dropper should mean that we can go more aggressive on the pedaling position while still being able to get low for the descents.
331mm BB height and 175mm cranks is horrendous. I know everyone is like "oh it's just 5mm here, 5mm there", but that would put the pedals at least 5mm lower than my current bike (Stumpy 27 Large 2019) which got blasted for having too low of a BB in low mode. I switched to 170mm cranks, half to get shorter cranks, half to add a bashguard, which this Izzo should definitiely have, and pedal timing is still something to think about. so 10mm lower overall would mean I would have zero pins left in my pedals from bashing them on things.
Isn't that true for literally every bike ever?
Back to reality...Thorough and well done on the review. Keep up the good work.
Rests on open position, activate to lock. TF is a push to lock system, YT is a push to unlock.
Probably they went this route because Fox recommends on their products the push to unlock mechanisms, saying that is engineered to reliability.
Edit: FOX recommends PTU remote systems over PTL systems as they are optimized for reliability and reduced lever force.
www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&id=955
My Jeffsy pro 27,5 has almost the same weight with more travel and 1500$ less.
That's one heck of a ignorant sentence right there.
European swords were only slow and cumbersome in crappy movies, not in reality.
Go check some HEMA content please
Cheers
Also checkout the armored combat league stuff if you haven’t already.
There's even a photo of the IZZO next to another photo of the Scott Spark in the article haha
Retarded twist lockout.
Heavy.
Might as well build a carbon Smuggler with 34 forks and you’re rippin’....!
Quite a blanket statement there. Think you forgot "for me" in there.
A lot seems a bit weird, eg 69 degree seat angle - ey?
@neimbc : Kashima everything, full carbon frame, carbon DT wheels, X01 drivetrain. That's an $8000+ bike for any non-DTC bike.
For this bike and build, this is $1500-2k less than any equivalent non direct to consumer brand.
The IZZO Comp is 3000€ - Short travel trail bikes with comparable specs:
SC Tallboy: 4600€
Giant Trance Advanced Pro: 4200€
Specialized Epic EVO: 4100€
Trek Top Fuel: 3900€
Norco Optic: 3400€.
If anything, the IZZO Comp is great value for money compared to similar downcountry bikes.
still waiting for promised Saturn 14 review
Heavy wheels don't waste energy, they store energy. Once they get going, they will have momentum, which means they will go further without pedal inputs.
Also, where have you been living, where a trail bike costs less than any other bike? Components don't just suddenly cost less because they're bolted to a bike with different geo and travel. Frames also only get cheaper if they're designed, well, cheaper and this looks like a quite well designed frame.
Most shop sold bikes with this specs would go for at least 8.5K, if not over 9K.