Whistler Blackcomb Replacing Fitzsimmons Express Lift in 2023, Some Rolling Trail Closures Expected

Sep 30, 2022
by Ed Spratt  
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Whistler Blackcomb has announced that it is working on two new lift upgrades in 2023 that will be replacing the main chairlift in the bike park, the Fitzsimmons Express, alongside the Jersey Cream lift.

The changes will see the Fitzsimmons Express go from a four-person to an eight-person chair with higher speeds that is claimed to significantly increase capacity.

bigquotesWe’ve been busy upgrading the Creekside Gondola and Big Red Chair, and of course expanding the Whistler Bikepark, and we’re not done yet! We’re so stoked to share the news that we’ll be getting two new lift upgrades in summer 2023, following approvals + installation: Fitzsimmons Express and Jersey Cream will both be replaced, improving lift line wait times and overall circulation and capacity.

Fitz will go from a 4-person to an 8-person high-speed chair, reducing wait times and significantly increasing uphill capacity in winter and summer, providing even greater access to our bike park.

Across the valley on Blackcomb, Jersey, the mountain’s most popular lift, will go from a 4-person to a 6-person high-speed chair, also reducing wait times, increasing uphill capacity, and improving mid-mountain circulation and capacity.

We’ve got a long history of innovation, and we’re committed to always being forward-thinking – it's part of our DNA as an industry leader. We’re excited about what this means for our mountains, and hope you are too!
Whistler Blackcomb


To make these changes for future improvements will mean some closures in the bike park while the work is completed. The goal currently is to start on the Fitzsimmons Express project next spring. Whistler Blackcomb says: "Plans to accommodate WMBP riders are still being hammered out, but you shouldn’t expect any kind of consistent major disruption – you'll still have access to the Fitz Zone via the Whistler Village Gondola. This, in combination with uploading options and expanded bike parks trails in Creekside will help ensure timely access to the mountain."

While the Fitz zone will be subject to rolling trail closures, the aim is to communicate these in advance so no one is left unaware of what is actually open. Most of the impact from the construction will be on trails surrounding the Fitz chair. Currently, Whistler Blackcomb says that the Whistler Village Gondola will be exclusively used for mountain bikers in the summer with other users moved over to the Blackcomb Base, Garbanzo, Peak and the new Creekside Gondola. Next season will also see Creekside return with new updates to existing trails and eight new lines for riders to try.


We reached out to Pierre Ringuette, Senior Manager, Whistler Mountain Bike Park and Snow Surfaces at Whistler Blackcomb, for more information.

When will the Fitzsimmons Express project start?

Next spring, more to be announced soon.


How was the timing of the replacement chosen? What factors went into the decision on timing?

See FAQ (copied below) for timing question, but basically there’s no good time for construction at WB since we are a 4 season resort but the value that this lift will provide for years to come outweighs the inconvenience of the construction for next summer.


What trails in the bike park will be impacted by the closures?

Fitz zone will experience occasional rolling trail closures while the new towers and lift lines are going in – these will be communicated in advance so guests are aware. The majority of the occasional impacts will be in the trails immediately surrounding Fitz chair, while trails further from the line will be less impacted (Like Crank It Up or Dirt Merchant).


What lifts will be open for operations in Summer 2023 for mountain bikers?

Whistler Village Gondola will be utilized fully for the bike park guests, moving the sightseeing guest over to Blackcomb Base. Garbanzo, Peak and the new Creekside Gondola will be operating as usual.


Will Creekside be fully operational next year? How many new trails will be open in Creekside next year?

Creekside will be fully operational and we have some exciting new updates to existing Creekside Trails and 8 new single tracks (from blue to proline) to offer in the Creek.


FAQ’s
Q: How do you plan on dealing with demand in the Whistler Mountain Bike Park without Fitz spinning?
A: There’s never a perfect time to do this kind of construction, but these projects are important for the future of accessing our mountains and your experience overall. Plans to accommodate WMBP riders are still being hammered out, but you shouldn’t expect any kind of consistent major disruption – you'll still have access to the Fitz Zone via the Whistler Village Gondola. This, in combination with uploading options and expanded bike parks trails in Creekside will help ensure timely access to the mountain.

Q: Will the bike park be open during construction?
A: Yes! We’re excited to be introducing new and expanded trails at Whistler Bike Park next summer – part of our commitment to always innovating and providing new experiences for our guests.

Q: Will the price of the Whistler Mountain Bike Park pass be adjusted to reflect Fitzsimmons chair closure?
A: You’ll still have access to the Fitz Zone and will be able to upload from Whistler Village via the Gondola – we don’t expect this to impact pricing.

Q: Why are you planning another set of lift upgrades when you haven’t been able to finish Creekside Gondola and Big Red yet? Will these be finished by opening day?
A: As it stands, Creekside and Big Red are on track to open on time. Even though the work on these projects is around the clock, we’re still planning for improvements next year. We’ll keep you posted on updates about the opening of Creekside Gondola and Big Red, too.

Q: Creekside doesn’t offer the same level of terrain as the Fitzsimmons/Garbanzo zone. Why would I want to upload there?
A: Over the summer, we invested heavily in trail upgrades to improve diversity in terrain at Creekside as part of our WMBP expansion project. Next year, visitors can look forward to Trail 1199, a new pro level race track as well as a rebuild on the popular Insomnia trail which will bring a new jump line to the area. All this and more will be readily available thanks to the 100% bike accessible gondola.

Q: So you’re saying Fitz is going to be an 8-pack that offloads to a 4-person chain...won’t that cause more congestion and backup?
A: To ensure this isn’t an issue, we’ll lean into our expertise in line management and loading efficiency to ensure as smooth an experience as possible. You should prepare for some delays on weather days, but we feel confident that this will not significantly impact flow on the majority of our ski days.


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  • 67 4
 It's not really a summer issue, but an 8 person Fitz chair essentially dead ending at 4 person Garbo chair in the winter will be absolute chaos. That line can sometimes already back halfway up that slope. They're corporate BS of "expertise in lift line management" is laughable. You can't change the math: one chair that leads into another chair with half the capacity will create longer lines.
  • 15 3
 I mean, it's been a long time since I've skied Whistler, but most places I ski where one lift meets another, some large portion of people go down. I'm assuming there's a good reason, whether logistical or financial, that they can only increase capacity on one lift at a time.
  • 15 1
 I'm assuming Garbo will be done the following year... it's one of, if not the, oldest chair on the mountain now. But ya, for a year it'll be insane...
  • 5 0
 The garbo line will form at twice the previous speed. The early birds would have been able to get 2 or 3 laps in before any sort of wait will now only get 1 lap in. The waiting around has just been moved up the mountain where its colder and snowier. Hurray. Almost definitely a good thing for the bike park though, assuming WB can educate people on how to with 'significantly' more people getting on at the same time.
  • 5 0
 A lot of people ride Garbo to avoid fitz lines, so there will be less people going up Garbo anyway
  • 10 0
 I feel like most people upload on the village/blackcomb/creekside gondolas though in the winter. That low on the mountain rarely has good snow. The upgrades to the Fitz chair will mostly benefit the bike park I assume.
  • 5 0
 Maybe they will redo garbo the following year?
  • 9 0
 @igxqrrl: the top of Fitz is very low elevation for skiing. Nobody wants to ski down to the base from there except as a ski out at the end of the day.
  • 14 0
 heres the real reason whis is gettin these ... snowbrains.com/park-city-mountain-resort-ut-lift-upgrades-shockingly-blocked-by-planning-commission they can't get rid of em...,.
  • 8 0
 Some of that's the nature of updating things in phases though. Bottlenecks may move or get worse but it's part of the process. Believe or not, planning capital investment on a billion dollar facility is a little more complicated than you might think. There are a shit load of variables that impact what gets done when.
  • 7 0
 Dude the Fitz chair is crickets most days in the winter. I don't think it will have any effect on the Garbo lift in the winter. This one is an upgrade for the summer. The line is 10x as long in the summer. Concerning bottlenecks, I think beginners/low intermediates and many kids won't be heading up Garbo so it should thin out and not be an issue in summer. If it is an issue then you could Lap the Fitz chair which will be possible instead of the 30-60 min line.
  • 9 0
 Never be surprised with Vail’s capacity to F-up a good thing
  • 10 1
 @KennyWatson: Logically you would think that but being a Vail employee I have witnessed numerous decisions that make little to no sense since they have taken over. Seemingly, the main reasons for their decisions are targeted towards the shareholder and not the actual customer. I have lived through major decisions about the store I’ve worked in for 20+ years by some middle manager based in Broomfield who’s never even been to Whistler. The level of customer service in so many areas has dropped dramatically since WB was acquired. It’s death from a 1000 cuts.
  • 9 0
 if people with day passes can successfully pull off getting 8 bikes on the things on a busy weekend it will be absolutely worth it for future seasons in the summer, my thoughts and prayers are with the lifties when that starts though
  • 3 0
 @adrock-whistler: spot on with that. when new catskinner went in there was plenty of pushback to the base terminal location from the people here, it fell upon deaf ears and now there is no more half-pipe. these decisions dont seem to have much influence from the people actually on the ground
  • 1 0
 @stacykohut: dayum! i guess they gotta put it somewhere
  • 2 0
 @tom-mc: Loading an 8 bike rack would definitely be a disaster. And I don’t think they’re gonna do that. I’ll bet they have to run 2 consecutive 4-bike racks, then an 8 chair. Lifties store the first 4 bikes at the top on a floor rack. So after 12 units (racks or chairs) it repeats at a 1/3 increase, not a doubling of capacity. Still will be a major Summer improvement.

Also they already have the 8 chair from Park City. They haven’t built/ordered the 8-bike racks yet. Lead time probably too long for next summer.
  • 5 1
 I seriously doubt increasing the upload capacity of Fitz will affect Garbo's line in the winter. Even on a holiday weekend with the gondola line stretching to the grocery store, Fitz is only loading to capacity for the first 30 minutes of upload. The vast majority of people don't seem to know it's an upload option.

The large lines at Garbo come from Creek/Red upload overflow mixed with people lapping the lower mountain while they wait for the alpine to open.
  • 1 0
 @igxq Lapping Fitz in the winter doesn't make any sense way too low. At some points throughout the season you might not even have snow that low... As Adrock said it is just moving the bottle neck further uphill so the lift line cams at the bottom aren't scaring people away.
  • 2 0
 @cmitchell: new Red chair will reduce the number of Creekside skiers heading to Garbo too…
  • 2 0
 @nsteele: one solution to double the capacity would imply using the same bike rack than in France. Basically the rack is at the back of the chair. The bike is vertical. You can easily do a chair of 4 riders and 4 bikes at every chairs on a 8 seats lift.
2 downsides on this system: you need 4 peoples to unload the 4 bikes and it's hard for the kid to install the bikes because they have to lift up the bike. So basically, mist of the time you need someone to help loading.
  • 38 1
 I went to Whistler for the first time this summer. The riding was awesome but honestly, and I hate to be negative, the lift lines were just way too long and having a substantial percentage of the trails not available didn't seem cool at all.

I ended up staying on the upper mountain more than I otherwise would have, because the lines were much shorter.

The lift situation though made the whole experience more "meh" than "magnificent". I'm looking forward to going again when the whole mountain is over, but it sounds like I may skip next summer.
  • 18 0
 And by "the whole mountain is over" I meant either "the whole mountain is open" or "the construction is over". Not sure which.
  • 25 0
 Yep, had the same experience, except we went the weekend after they closed the gondola so everyone had to take Fitz. I was with my family and with so many upper trails closed, only Blue Velvet (which was f*cking destroyed) was appropriate for the whole fam so we mostly stayed lower. At that time of year the park also closes at 4pm. So we'd arrive at like 10:15-10:30am get a couple laps in, eat lunch and get a couple more before closing... the lines were 40 mins long.

Why, when so many trails are closed, so many lifts are closed and the operating time is reduced am I still paying full price for lift tickets... just to do 4 runs! Should have bought the 3 runs sampler passes... ya we're skipping Whistler for a while.

Just like the winter... so many mountains offer a much better bang for your buck than Whistler does.
  • 15 0
 OMG. Blue Velvet. Most mis-named trail ever.

Blue Brake Bump maybe?

I rode it once and couldn't force myself to do it again. Maybe I just needed a DH bike?
  • 57 1
 @igxqrrl: they're not brake bumps. They're actually just thousands of tiny doubles.
  • 3 0
 Depending on when you came up they may have had trails closed so that youtubers could have it to themselves - no I'm not joking. You can see it called out in some people's uploaded videos that Whistler let them on privately.
  • 14 0
 @igxqrrl: I can confirm that Blue Velvet is slightly more fun than riding down the access road. Slightly.
  • 1 0
 @toast2266: lol life bout perspective isn't it
  • 1 0
 @toast2266: it's a pump track within the trail
  • 9 0
 Being a Vancouver local and after my experiences at the bike park the past couple of years, I'm in no rush to head back. Expensive day passes, 40 minutes to an hour lines some times, amazing trails that are completely blown out, it's just not worth it.

Conversely, I went to Sun Peaks this summer. Free parking at the base of the lift, vending machines that print out your lift pass, day pass almost half the cost. The entire day we had no one in front of us at the lifts, trails equal to Whistler without the brake bumps or completely blown out (albeit less number of trails). The experience was night and day
  • 4 1
 Let me guess…you were riding mid day between 11 and 3pm?

After 5 there is rarely any line…even this year.
  • 2 0
 @Stuartkbmx: those vending machines were awesome!! How is it that WB is behind times and not have these!
  • 2 0
 @bocomtb: More like Broken Velvet, breaking my bike and wrists
  • 2 0
 @Stuartkbmx: I had similar experience with the Sun Peaks. No lines, new trails, much less brake bumps (except Canada Line). It was so much fun. Tickets were slightly cheaper. Best to buy in advance online. We decided to go there two days instead of one as we knew that lift lines would be much longer in Whistler this year.

We also rode Upper Mountain in Whistler more than we would normally. Blue Velvet was one time thing due to breaking bumps. Part of the Freight Train was closed, but it was the best option anyway. In the end we end up riding Fitz area just because the trails were so much better - e.g. Dirt Merchant to A-Line.

Overall we did a long 3-week trip in the BC - so many locations. We plan to go back hopefully soon, but it seems that we will probably wait one more year due to next phase of replacements.
  • 1 0
 @wolftwenty1: Monday evenings for at least the first half of the summer definitely had a wicked line
  • 27 0
 BC's other parks have gotten so fn good, I don't understand people who still only ride whis.
  • 10 4
 There good for the 2 weeks when opened. Silver star is TRASHED and downright dangerous halfway through the year
  • 5 1
 They also are open for months less
  • 10 0
 The only problem is the distance. Whistler is only a 2 hour drive for me and I can make it a day trip. Coast gravity park and Vancouver Island riding are pretty good except having to deal with BC Ferries and the wait times so that makes it more of a weekend trip. Same goes for the other parks as well. I wish Cypress or Grouse had lifts going for downhill.
  • 9 0
 Cypress could be so good but they’d rather try sell you on their mountain coaster and summer patio. Both of which would actually complement a bike park pretty well.
  • 7 1
 @freeridejerk888: Depends on the year, if Silver Star gets rain every couple weeks (like last year), it's brilliant. When the Okanagan turns into a dustbowl (like this year), that's when it is wrecked
  • 2 0
 @pete-moss: They would definitely make more business if they had a bike park in the summer. I feel like most locals would not go up for a one time gravity coaster ride and then sit at a patio. If there was a bike park I would be down to chill at a patio after riding and ride the coaster thing once. It wouldn't even need to be on the scale of Whistler or have super crazy trails to get business. People just want somewhere closer to get in some laps before heading to Whistler or ride other parks.
  • 8 0
 @freeridejerk888: rode Sun Peaks for a few days mid September, 40+ days since last rain... jump trails were pretty mint (especially the new ones), the tech was blown out and rowdy which made it super fun.

I love Whistler (I live in Vancouver, it's close) but Sun Peaks and Silver Star have really stepped up. Haven't even checked out Big White or Revy yet either. Whistler weekend lines have gotten too long to be worth it, the new lift upgrades are badly overdue.
  • 6 0
 @WestC0astWanderer: pre-olympics cypress had a bike park, would love for them to bring it back
  • 7 0
 @freeridejerk888: ^ Silverstar is just getting worse every year. Basically no tech, way too much blue flow and not enough hard stuff, and it just gets disgustingly blown out within 3 weeks. Trail crew seems to see no reason to touch up the very few tech trails they have and also leave massive holes in lips on the jump trails to instead work on perfectly fine features on the blues and greens.
  • 6 0
 @clappedbikeenthusiast: @freeridejerk888
yeah I'm not talking about silverstar haha. People act like that jank place is the only other bike park. Sun Peaks is BC's best park hands down. 2 lift accesses mountains plus another one with new enduro trails. Best jump trails and gnarly tech.
I've been building at Revy for 5 years now it's still got a ways to go but it's starting to rival other parks.
  • 2 0
 @luckynugget: Sun Peaks is awesome. Bit more of a drive, but if you want proper steep gnar straight down the fall line then its the park for you. Bring the full DH bike and all the body armor. Lift lines are usually short/none. Lodging is reasonable. No its not the Vegas of the North party town like Whis, but if you are looking to do a lot of really good DH riding then its perfect.
  • 1 0
 @captaindingus: I heard about that. I wasn't even riding MTB back then. Wasn't there a DH race on Grouse like 15 years ago as well if I remember correctly?
  • 3 0
 @luckynugget: Yep Sun Peaks is the best by far. Revy is sick too, hopefully it'll become part of the BC cup series in coming years
  • 4 0
 Having ridden them all Whistler is still king. But honestly Sun Peaks is a close second and Kicking Horse of all places comes in third for me. There are some fun lines there beyond flow trails. Fernie is such a distant last place it is not even in the same category as the rest of the parks in BC.
  • 1 0
 @WestC0astWanderer: more than that my guy, Grouse world cup was back in 2001.
  • 3 0
 @captaindingus: I was there! The day started out beautiful so I was only wearing t-shirt/shorts. Rain came in and absolutely soaked everyone. We stayed through the whole race, worth it to see top riders try to navigate the mud. Michal Paskal was the only rider who came close - he was flat out in full slop conditions.
  • 1 0
 as someone who always wanted to visit Whistler because it is called "the best bike park in the world" but living very far away and having places like Kicking Horse, Valemount, Baseline, even Revy much much closer... is it even worth it? NOTE... only can go on the weekend hence it will be busy
  • 1 2
 @valrock: yep it is really that much better. Must be ridden to be believed.
  • 16 0
 I mean maybe this is an unpopular opinion but things need to be done in stages. Fitz this year, and I bet Garbo will be next year. A little pain for less lift lines in the future. No one likes rolling up to the base and seeing a 30 min line, this should help alleviate this... I know that Vail sucks but at the end of the day their business is to move people efficiently and that is what they are trying to do. Also if your worried go ride the trails off the mountain, they are better anyway.
  • 1 0
 if they did both fitz and garb in the same year it would be horrible
  • 4 2
 I can’t understand why they didn’t do the work during COVID, when there was minimal attendance. First trip back this year and having creekside closed wasn’t that big a deal, but this news mean we cancel our next years trip. Fitz closed the gondola will be chaos. We’ll go to Europe (aussies). It’s a shame, because I think Whistler is the best overall mix of riding in the world.
  • 11 0
 @EarIysport: it's almost like they didn't get advance warning of COVID such that they could order and have the lifts manufactured ahead of time...
  • 16 0
 People lost their shit last year about creekside, I expect a riot this time Smile
  • 8 0
 Break out the torches and pitch forks!!
  • 10 0
 We will just go to the other bike parks next summer. Will be worth it in the long run though.
  • 6 0
 @Kamperk87: yep I always wanted to check the interior parks so this will be the best time to do so. It's a bad for a good.
  • 3 0
 was saying that in the spring. people worked up about creekside wait until the fitz gets replaced. actually creekside trails were in really good condition this year after totw
  • 2 0
 @todayisthegreatest: dude creekside was in primo shape after totw you’re right!

Ride don’t slide and what’s the other one? BC something? f*ck that stuff is cool.

Even the flow trails were a lot of fun, I think it’s called dirt circus or something at the bottom. What a nice reprieve, no mortar sized hole
  • 13 2
 VAIL FAIL. These lifts were bought to use in Colorado but the permitting fell through and now Vail is frantically trying to stick them in at Whistler even though it will be a shit show.
  • 12 3
 It is laughable that their "expertise in line management" will alleviate the already crazy line in the winter for Garbo chair with a new 8 seater. The only line management 99% of the lifties know how to do, is up their noses.
  • 1 1
 This is sad to hear. I haven't been for 13 years admittedly, but all lift staff were amazing. We couldn't believe how friendly and helpful they were compared to in Europe
  • 1 1
 im not really sure what you expect lifties to do about 'line management.' they cant exactly control how many people show up at the lift. if the chairs are full and the lift keeps turning they've done their job
  • 9 1
 I think the worst part is right now waiting over an hour and not gondola in addition to the terrible lift staff. I wonder how they’ll add more than 4 bikes per lift (silverstar is a 6 or maybe 8?) and they only run 4 bikes. I really hope this update is good in the long run but the this and next year was terrible for the bike park. I look at this as positive but please fix the employee housing!!
  • 9 0
 Whistler gondola will be bikers only next year, sightseeing will be only on blackcomb gondola
  • 1 1
 But you can’t fit that many lol @ybsurf:
  • 3 0
 Silver Star is 4 bikes per lift and 6 people
  • 2 1
 I assume they'll add bike carriers on to the back of each chair instead of taking out every second chair for a bike carrier...even if each chair only takes 4 bikes it still "doubles" capacity.
  • 1 0
 If they do it like my home mountain of Big Sky, they should be able to get five riders on the eight person chair. The rack is a vertical rack that clamps on the front tire (honestly the best system I’ve seen at any bike park) with five spots. Maybe since whistler is more crowded they’ll put hooks on the outside to get more riders since only one more rider per chair won’t make an enormous difference at whistler.
  • 9 0
 This will be interesting. The Hawk chair on Mt Washington on Vancouver Island is a 6 person chair and for the park set-up they load four bikes. This has the significant advantage of no hanging bikes, so no worries about long wheelbases, which makes it easier to assemble groups of four out of pairs of riders without needing people from the singles line. Hopefully with an 8 chair lift you might be able to do six bikes on a rack which would be amazing. Having said all that, skiing Mt Washington's Hawk will somewhat attenuate your confidence in human civilization, because people seem to be just too vague to organize themselves into groups of six, so a large fraction of chairs go up the mountain not full, even when there's a decent lineup. In The Hawk's case there is also the problem that it's a two sided line and there isn't enough space to merge people very well. Locals there have told me and every once in a while the mountain gets a lifty with strong leadership skills and, armed with a bamboo pole and a lot of shouting, these guys can get groups of 6 loaded. But the last guy like that was on work-study from Scotland or something and went home, probably to emerge later as the first UK PM from The Land of the Brave since Gordon Brown. I generally find Whistler skiers are really good at organizing themselves in lines compared to Vancouver's local mountains for example, and the actual line layouts are usually OK, so here's hoping for the best.
  • 1 0
 4 bikes just like they have now lol @shift9ears:
  • 2 0
 @The-Foiling-Optimist: "But the last guy like that was on work-study from Scotland or something and went home, probably to emerge later as the first UK PM from The Land of the Brave since Gordon Brown."
Is he a Tory? If so he's in with a pretty good shout of getting the job in the next couple of weeks.
  • 1 0
 @commental: I imagine this mythical Scottish guy to be basically the most interesting man in the world. The people will cry out, "we need a leader who can get six people organized onto a chair, time after time, but for the whole nation", and he will come.
Many years ago, when I was around 10, we were skiing the old lower (double) chair on Mt Seymore and the lift line, slightly downhill and sans ropes, was a disaster by Canadian standards. After a few runs of this, a large and rotund skier, not a staff member, stopped in front of everyone and in a loud, German accented voice just ordered everyone into a single long line. I distinctly remember it stayed in that more organized state for the entire rest of the day. This has always stayed with me as an example of how leadership is often about timing and strategy.
  • 1 0
 @The-Foiling-Optimist: On second thoughts, if he is competent and grounded in reality he'll be unpalatable for most Tory party members.
  • 1 1
 @freeridejerk888: You formed your comment as a question, just confirming details
  • 7 0
 It's a shame only the gondola will access the Fitz zone next summer. Not sure it's worth it for creekside laps or LONG lines from the whistler village. bummer.. The 8 pack will be cool for 2024, but that seems like forever! I wish it was done during covid when we couldn't get in.
  • 3 3
 Gondola only access for Fitz WTF? I would be shocked if the gondola has 50% of the Fitz express so lines will be at least two times as long as last summer. During the week this summer it was 45 min let alone on the weekends.
  • 9 2
 I live in New Mexico and Angel Fire Bike Park is KILLING IT this summer. New trials, rebuilt trails, more bike lift capacity. (I don't work for them, I've had a summer season pass there for past 6 years). It's the best bike park in the states and second only to Whistler IMO. So next summer it will be the best bike park in North America. Looks like I'll be riding local again next summer.
  • 2 0
 What's the best bike park in the states?
  • 2 0
 Gonna try out angel fire next year based on this. Tired of messing around with brianheads slate-rocks-only DH trails.
  • 2 0
 Definitely thunder or highland. @j-t-g:
  • 1 2
 @j-t-g: IMO best bike parks in North America
1. Whistler - except next year it will drop below Trestle
2. Angel Fire
3. Trestle
4. Silver Star
5. Sun Peaks
6. Deer Valley
Last time I was a Mammoth (pre pandemic) it sucked hopefully it's better now but can't personally recommend it.

Definitely check out non lift served bike parks if you are in the area:
Kamloops if you are near Silver Star or Sun Peaks- worth a day for sure.
Frisco is DOPE spend at least a day there if you go to Trestle.
Duthie Hill near Seattle is super fun too.

I haven't ridden on the east coast and I understand there are some good parks there.
  • 2 1
 @Dookiedoodle: I asked because you implied Whistler was in the states, haha.
  • 3 0
 LMAO trestle is trash and silverstar is meh. Clearly never rode highland or thunder @Dookiedoodle:
  • 1 0
 @freeridejerk888: Clearly not. As I said that I haven't ridden on the east coast. Perhaps my post was too much reading for you to make it all the way to the end. Jerk indeed.
  • 2 0
 @j-t-g: I should have known by the canadian flag. good one.
  • 1 0
 @Dookiedoodle: all in good fun brother!
  • 1 0
 @Dookiedoodle: Sun Peaks is way better then Silver Star...
  • 1 0
 @MOLDTRUTH: No it isn't, it's terrible, definitely doesn't have two lifts running, no good trails, long lines, bad pizza joint, mean staff, no good alpine trail, and expensive parking! Silver star is much better! Everyone go to silver star!
  • 8 0
 god, so many people just love to complain. I'm not Vail's biggest fan, but this is a good thing! anyway, i do hope the negativity spreads and people decide not to go to the bike park. i'll still be going!
  • 10 0
 "we're opening 8 new trails and putting in a new chairlift and finishing the upgrades on the rest of the chairlifts." Jeez what's to complain about. I think the PNW forgets how lucky they have it.
  • 3 2
 @fektor-b: Just so you know, Whistler isn't in the PNW. That's in the USA.
  • 6 1
 @Skooks: "The Pacific Northwest, also referred to as Cascadia, is a region on the west coast of North America. It refers to the northwestern corner of the United States and the southwestern part of Canada." Just so you know Smile
  • 3 2
 @fektor-b: that sounds like it was written by an American. The portion of Canada that shares "PNW" climate is incredibly small in proportion to the rest of Canada. It should be distinguished as Southwest BC.

At least Cascadia is a better name because the Cascade range extends into Canada, even if it also refers to a geopolitical pipe dream.
  • 6 0
 @AndrewHornor: oh boy, I'm geographically way over my head. I was only trying to point out that the riding is awesome in that particular part of the world.
  • 1 0
 @fektor-b: reading my comment back I don't even like myself... yes! Our riding is so great here!
  • 1 0
 @fektor-b: Thanks. It sure is, and I am grateful to live and ride in the south coast of BC.
  • 1 0
 @fektor-b: *BIG TIME*
  • 7 0
 Love how they make it seem like theres gonna be no wait problems because you have the village gondola and creekside gondola. Its a much needed upgrade but next year is gonna suck
  • 7 1
 I love that they say “trails that are closer to the fitz lift” as if we don’t know what trails that’s gonna affect. A-Line will be closed. And Schleyer will be closed. #clowns
  • 2 0
 Yea...I don't believe anything about rolling closures. Anything remotely close to Red Chair construction this summer never opened. And on a few days Blue Velvet was the only option from open from top of Garbo. No communicated at all. Peak remaining open an extra week was communicated on Instagram the morning of the extension. The day spring ops started this year was a goat show! Got a foot of snow. Day before was full mountain ops and that day no Crystal or Glacier opened since it was now spring mid week ops. 7th was an hour and a half long line and then broke. Spankys was out of bounds in spring ops and they had to post patrol at the gate to make sure the highway of people knew they were heading out of bounds. Last two springs they were shut and there was zero communication about the operational plan. No trust in their ability to communicate or manage rolling closures.
  • 4 0
 Don't forget about Joyride too and what will happen to the trail which starts under the line like Detroit rock city, Lower whistler DH etc etc. It's gonna be a lot of trails and the best techs trails.
  • 6 2
 Does anyone actually think they’ll be able to load 6-8 bikes per chair? 3 and one on the hook is a clusterf*ck half the time as it is. It’s not going to add any real functional capacity to the bike park-there’s more space between chairs on an 8-pack. It’s gonna be hilarious in the winter too when a 8 person is feeding Garbo. It’ll be like running into a brick wall.

Whoever is in charge at vail is a f*cking idiot.
  • 1 0
 Just looking at 8 seaters and doesn’t look they make one that takes more than four bikes so they will possibly still have to use one of the old racks in between. I see they are having to use these as they are bought and sitting in a yard as Park City residents foiled their plans to install there
  • 5 0
 Because of this news,i will be going to sun-peaks a couple of times, rather that face the lift line drama from this. No season pass next year.
  • 3 0
 Oh no, Sun peaks is also going to be doing lift maintenance all year, you'd better not come Smile
  • 8 2
 Man I hate all this corpo talk. I'll just keep pedaling
  • 5 0
 You screwed it up...

"I'm so gutted by this corpo convo, but I'm stoked af to announce you all you shred-dogs out there keeping real that I'll be pedaling for the near-term future."
  • 4 0
 Biggest thing I got from the article/Q&A is that 1199 will be completed and open next year!!! Sick! Bring on the World Cup!
  • 7 5
 Awwwww, the art of not answering a direct question.Hey Vail, how can A FREAKING LINE be opened if its right in the construction zone? I'm guessing you”ll build an alternate entrance? How about Schleyer, Whistler DH, Can Open?Or even Bline? I dont see how constructions will not affect those.

You should have just CLOSED THE WHOLE place for one year and get all improvements done at once but instead youre hitting your customers 2 years in a row…and you’re not expecting to at the very least offer a reduced price on ticket? Lol go fck yourself Vail. You suck.
  • 3 0
 much much needed. will suck for next year but a vast improvement for future years. line ups this year have been ridiculous on a frequent basis.
  • 3 0
 The only way this will work is if they keep all walking tourists off of the Whistler Gondola and force them to go up Blackcomb and across P2P to get to the Whistler Alpine.
  • 1 0
 As others have been saying - maybe a good year to check out other bike parks! I haven't actually been to any of the others yet. They're all kind of far so I just keep going back to the one I know is great.

Fingers crossed that the new resort proposed for Chilliwack could eventually include not just bike trails (they're selling it as "all season") but actually be a competitive bike park. It's the same distance from Vancouver.
  • 1 0
 Those complaining about lift wait times most likely have never experienced Panorama on a weekend... Pay $70 for a day pass for a lift that only loads 2 bikes at a time with over an hour's wait. You're lucky to get 4-5 laps in a day.

At least Whistler during the summer months is open as late as it is, so you can generally make the most out of a day even when you do have to wait in line. This chair update will be great as long as they find a way to accommodate loading more bikes as well.
  • 2 1
 Having spent many summers visiting the bike park and knowing the kind of difficulty and time spent waiting to upload on the gondy, between the tourists and DFX (kids club) a normal wait could be 40 minutes with 3 gondolas to 1 ratio in favour of the tourists over mountain bikers, it seemed best to take the Fitz chair than on up on the Garbo chair. I suppose Creekside may benefit (it also has free parking) but maybe riders won't come down to the village so much. Time to buy an e-bike and hit some of the other great areas up and down the sea to sky instead!
  • 3 0
 I’ve had a seasons pass every year since 2006. Don’t think I’ll be keeping the streak alive next year
  • 2 0
 We are in the same boat. Season pass holder since 2005. Unfortunately we won’t get one for the 2023 because of the unknowns.
  • 3 0
 Whistler Gondola only next year means that the cabins should be replaced with mini Gazebos that fit 6 people and bikes.
  • 4 0
 it will be utter chaos next year... enjoy!
  • 2 0
 I felt like in the main pic I was looking for a guy in a red and white striped jumper and glasses"……………or is that just me?
  • 3 0
 Looks like it may be an EU trip in 23, Whistler this year was average at best with the queues and closures.
  • 1 0
 Whistler sucked this year.... long lift lines and constant trail closures pushing you onto the service road.
  • 1 0
 this is a great idea and obviously was going to happen eventually but just delay it by a season. give a buffer season of normal lift access. shutting down a major access point 2 seasons in a row sucks
  • 1 0
 "we're excited to see what this does for our mountains, and we hope you do too".... You mean you're excited to pack more people onto it with the revenue that comes with lol. Duh
  • 3 1
 And this is why I....

A), stay in Vancouver, and
B), go to Sunpeaks or Silverstar.
  • 3 0
 They could just sell less passes...
  • 3 0
 HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Good one.
  • 2 0
 Not one mention on how this would affect Crankworx ...
  • 3 0
 Crankworx is scheduled a couple weeks earlier than usual next year. This may explain why.
  • 2 1
 Idk, maybe they might try and finish it before Crankworx and have it open by then
  • 2 0
 they should just install an escalator
  • 1 3
 This is pure stupidity - can't imagine double the number of people on the slopes/trails during busy days. They paint it as a service to the riders while all they care about is more revenue from the mountain (lift lines harm revenue). Expand the mountain into new territories (w lifts)!!
  • 2 0
 Every thing Vail touches turns to FITZ!!!
  • 1 0
 What da heck disruptions planned to the bike park and the top comment is discussing winter disruptions
  • 1 0
 Teleporter. Only thing that can help the lines
  • 2 1
 Cue the long travel e-bikes with dual crown forks
  • 1 0
 Schralping the gnar at fromme or Seymour way much more betterest.
  • 2 1
 shuttle cypress, no lines....
  • 2 1
 @Acid11: sshhhh. Don’t let out the secret. Lol. I get more vert faster shuttling cypress than I do at whistler consistently
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