Tom Bradshaw has a yarn with Devinci Global Racing Team rider Georgia Astle on her new bike day. Astle covers what it takes to become a pro, knowing your worth as an athlete, the importance of mentorship and the most crucial part - having fun.
Devinci Troy Details:
Frame: Medium, 29er
Rear Shock: Fox Float X2 Factory 140mm
Fork: Fox 36 Float EVOL GRIP2 Factory Series 160mm
Headset: Chris King inset
Cassette: Shimano XTR 12s 10-51T
Cranks: Race Face Next R 170mm
Chainguide: E13 TRS Race SL
Pedals: HT T1
Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR
Chain: Shimano XTR
Handlebar: Race Face Next R 20mm rise, 770mm with grips
Stem: Raceface Turbine R 40mm
Grips: ODI Elite Pro
Brakes: Shimano XTR Trail 4 Piston
Rotors: Shimano XTR M980 203mm
Insert: CushCore XC front, Pro rear
Wheels: Race Face Turbine
Tires: Maxxis Assegai 2.5WT DD / Minion Highroller II 2.5WT DD at 23 front / 25 rear
Seatpost: Fox Transfer 175mm
This is where they say what is: www.devinci.com/en/quebec
Geo's geo:
5'8" / 172cm
145lbs / 65.5kg
29" / 74cm inseam
23 y/o
See you for your morning coffee stop soon, Paul!
That's definitely an area that LBS brands can take a page from DTC brands playbook. Commencal, YT, Canyon etc all have nice ass colourways throughout the whole range.
PB has been telling us for a while that 78ish degrees effective angle is like the _minimum_. so you don't have to worry about slamming your seat forward, but this one still looks pretty forward from these pics, just curious why, also considering that the top tube is not very long compared to reach.
I do know that on my Stumpy '19 27 Large it's likely measured pretty close to my own saddle height, which is well above the headtube (almost level with the bars with 12-17mm top cap + spacers, 45mm x 10deg rise stem, and 30mm rise bars), because I've measured it myself and it matches right up with their spec sheet.
I know slack actual seat-tube angles can suck for anyone at the tall end of a size range (not just absolutely tall people), I've been saying that on here for literally years, along with advocating for size specific chainstay lengths to help mitigate that long seat-post on slack seat-tube equals saddle too far back syndrome.
In this case I'm more curious about the dropped saddle position in relation to the rear wheel at full compression. Eyeballing it, it sure looks like they'll come pretty close together. Close enough that, even though I'm in the size range for a Medium at 178cm, I suspect I wouldn't fit since I want a longer ETT than 598mm (even accounting for the actual seat tube angle combined with a longer seat post.) so I'd slam the seat most of the way back and maybe get some tire buzz.
I'm also agreeing strongly with size specific stays or at least flip chips. I love a balanced bike front to rear. One of my all time fav bikes is the banshee titan, although I wouldn't hate having a flip chip to try slightly shorter stays.
I also see what you're saying about having some seat buzz when the seat is dropped. That's an issue that I've never had to deal with on any bike and may be a consideration for you. Knowing a little bit about her area and preferences I'm guessing that the seat position is solely based on climbing, but hopefully @georgiaa can share why she does it. I'm not a huge fan of long ETT due to the trails that I typically ride and the climbs to get there, but thank goodness for room to adjust. In your case you may have to sacrifice some dropper height and run your seat at a taller dropped position if you slam it back.
What? HTA and STA are close to what? Each other? The spec? I only gave the cockpit numbers to show that I'm not at some super low seat height. (it's actually just a few mm lower than what would be the middle height possible with stock components). Stem length and bar roll have _nothing_ to do with HTA or effective STA, so not sure why they were mentioned at all.
"and usually so is ETT"
Pretty sure ETT is _always_ measured horizontal from the head-tube/top-tube junction, other wise it would make no sense. And because of this Actual STA sometimes does have a large effect on saddle to bar distance, but (as you caught on) I'm not concerned with that here.
"this headtube, plus these spacers across to this seat"
Spacers? Seat height? This is what I'm talking about. You previously said Actual STA is measured at the the height of the top of head tube. Adding spacers into the mix is just silly, but seat height is the actual key. They only need to say "effective seat-tube angle at X saddle height" (X being the average for someone in the middle of the size range) and it's done. Otherwise, one could assume it's from the top of the head-tube, or the head-tube/top-tube junction like ETT, or some middle ground saddle height (makes the most sense and easiest to extrapolate from), or anywhere. But since almost no one tells us, we the consumers just have to guess and then get in arguments online about who's Actual STA is stupid and who's doing it right.
So, final thing-after reaching out to Georgia, the seat doesn't buzz when dropped on her bike.
If you'd like to argue about nothing further, keep replying and I'm happy to do it.