World Cup racing is on hold so Ben Cathro took it upon himself to hold his own event (#notarace) on a course that himself and some locals built to see where his speed was at compared to a couple of top-level racers.
Always stoked for a new Privateer episode. I appreciate this kind of content even more in the current climate. Thank you Ben, the PB team, and everyone else who made this happen!
@cuban-b: no i definitely did understand what you guys meant... I got the joke, i was just saying that if they never raced him, they also never beat him, i get that the joke was because of covid but i made a different one...
This is fantastic, it's been a while since i felt that rush of excitement watching split times come up and seeing who is the fastest. Well done Cahtrovision and the whole team for putting this together. Cool track, GoPro footage, track side video, split times and awesome commentary. What more could we ask for?! Who needs WC racing, when we have Cahtro!
Red Bull Media are you taking notes. Apparently you can cover a race by putting wireless cameras in all the good spots and have helmet cam footage to watch the rest.
Well wireless cameras aren't live sadly, also some riders don't like helmet cams in races (thank amaury pierron for some sick race footage though) It would be sick if they had legitimate cameras to cover the entire race though At least it's better then the crankworx summer series at silverstar, they literally filmed the first 2 rock gardens then completely skipped: the long straight after, 4 more rock gardens and another drop, not to mention little missing bits from in the trees, at second 12 they where still at the top, in the next scene they were at 1 and a half minutes already...
@Hachymojo@Bikerdude137: broadcast quality cameras are _very_ expensive and require a whole infrastructure to manage them for live broadcast. Think about the zoom range and steady tracking these cameras need to track a racer flying down the course. It would take _hundreds_ of GoPros to get all the equivalent shots, and then they all need to be powered, connected, and managed. Can you imagine the broadcast director cutting to a new camera literally every few seconds? Not to mention all the other work the camera operators do: tracking the subjects, pulling focus, adjusting for changing light, etc etc. Even if you could link up a bunch of action cams reliably, what happens when a big cloud casts a shadow the little gopro doesn't adjust for the lighting in time and we all miss some action? Yes, it can work for Ben for getting footage of a handful of racers, that he can then edit and adjust later, but live broadcast is a completely different beast. Think about all the work Ben did to make a great video, and then imagine it all happening live... it can't be done with a bunch of action cams, not at the level that Redbull wants for its live stuff.
@Bikerdude137: "It would be sick if they had legitimate cameras to cover the entire race though"
Get more people to watch (so advertisers give them more money, or I guess you could just buy more Red Bull), because more cameras requires more money. Even just getting cameras and cables and other equipment up on the hill, which may even require building various semi-permanent platforms and fixtures, and paying good operators to run the cameras, that all costs A LOT.
@Bikerdude137: Logistics of this type of coverage are incredibly complex, getting free coverage is fantastic all things considered, remind me not to get you a gift this Christmas.
DH doesn't work as well because generally it's watched live.
But EWS... TAKE NOTES!! I've been asking for this kind of thing out of EWS for years. WRC used to put together 3-day edited amazing coverage. They would release a days worth of coverage in a 20 min show the next morning I think it was?? Used a few positioned cams in key spots and then in-car cams from the likely top 10 or so(?)... then after the weekend, think it was like an hour or so full super-cut of the whole weekend... and that was like 10-15 years ago when I used to follow it regularly... not sure what they're up to now. But... the money that was put into WRC vs what goes into EWS is vastly different... maybe EWS doesn't have the cash to put together the 24 hour a day for 3 days editing/production team and mobile equipment/studio that would be needed. But these days... 20 go-pros, a few high powered editing set-ups and "bob's your uncle"... I would think.
@islandforlife: WRC is also free on Red Bull TV these days and the coverage is insane; ghost cars, helicopters, live telemetry from the cars, definitely worth checking it out.
@farkinoath: I wonder what the ratings difference is? Rally and auto sports is general has a ton revenue in advertising and tv deals because the viewership is so high.
@Mattysville: You know I don't think there's any reliable numbers out there for the kind of viewership numbers Red Bull TV does but you could safely assume that WRC pulls more viewers internationally than MTB. The whole situation is kind of weird and multilayered in WRC too as Red Bull are also the major sponsor of a team and a number of the drivers and as a company they don't necessarily care about pulling in advertising and terrestrial TV deals from a broadcast, they care about creating the sweetest Red Bull flavoured content possible so we keep buying their sugar-water. Motorsport in general obviously operates in a different financial stratosphere to MTB so there is a lot more money to bank-roll better coverage.
That was an absolutely amazing video, like one of the best I've ever watched on PB. SO Stoked for Cathro to take on the World Cup and I think this proves he's going to be competitive. Also, because of the shortened/uncertain 2020 season, sorry Cathro but you're obligated to do the whole 2021 season now!
Enjoyed that lads.well done. Track looks absolutely mint as well. If not world class then SDA class definitely. Love how Cathro got his own super line choice section in as well. Although when I was a new dad I was stuck indoors all the time, not playing around in the woods
I'm just so impressed with this content. 28 minutes of pure engaging content. Great camera work, excellent voice overs and choice music. So So impressive in the delivery. Also are they still speaking english or does it have another name at this point?
Comparable to Kenta but not to Greg who is on another level, that was without training, will be interesting if they ever race a WC where Ben can get to on seeding day. That part of the field is flooded with riders and a fraction of a second can see you miss the cut.
It's a shame that there are some really talented and fast riders out there who are only held back from being best in the world due to sheer cost. Ben is very lucky to have opportunities like this, best of luck when racing resumes.
bloody brilliant.cathro is a very humble and really connects with the viewers just like Elliott Jackson and Warner just top blokes that give bikes such a vibe.cathro for pm
Not to diminish his abilities but you do have to qualify to be a World Cup racer its not all about cost! There are many racers that don't have full on sponsorships
@acdhrider: Well, the terrible Pinkbike headline and video title probably throw people off. Should read something like "Can Ben _still_ keep up with _current_ World Cup DH racers?"
@Radley-Shreddington: Makes me laugh that you guys don't know what a legend Cathro is. He was racing World Cups over a decade ago. He got 8th at Fort William in 2008...in a PVC coated skinsuit, no less.
Did you read the first part? Or just after the comma?
Unless @BenPea races world cups then it still makes sense...
I got the joke, i was just saying that if they never raced him, they also never beat him, i get that the joke was because of covid but i made a different one...
It would be sick if they had legitimate cameras to cover the entire race though
At least it's better then the crankworx summer series at silverstar, they literally filmed the first 2 rock gardens then completely skipped: the long straight after, 4 more rock gardens and another drop, not to mention little missing bits from in the trees, at second 12 they where still at the top, in the next scene they were at 1 and a half minutes already...
Check this out: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkTaMyatsTo
Get more people to watch (so advertisers give them more money, or I guess you could just buy more Red Bull), because more cameras requires more money. Even just getting cameras and cables and other equipment up on the hill, which may even require building various semi-permanent platforms and fixtures, and paying good operators to run the cameras, that all costs A LOT.
But EWS... TAKE NOTES!! I've been asking for this kind of thing out of EWS for years. WRC used to put together 3-day edited amazing coverage. They would release a days worth of coverage in a 20 min show the next morning I think it was?? Used a few positioned cams in key spots and then in-car cams from the likely top 10 or so(?)... then after the weekend, think it was like an hour or so full super-cut of the whole weekend... and that was like 10-15 years ago when I used to follow it regularly... not sure what they're up to now. But... the money that was put into WRC vs what goes into EWS is vastly different... maybe EWS doesn't have the cash to put together the 24 hour a day for 3
days editing/production team and mobile equipment/studio that would be needed. But these days... 20 go-pros, a few high powered editing set-ups and "bob's your uncle"... I would think.
Comparable to Kenta but not to Greg who is on another level, that was without training, will be interesting if they ever race a WC where Ben can get to on seeding day. That part of the field is flooded with riders and a fraction of a second can see you miss the cut.
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Also, watching the boys' split times was more intense than some WC rounds!
is this over after one season?!
Ben: hold my whiskey!
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Nope, 42 UCI DH World Cups in his Roots and Rain history, plus a couple of World Champs