For those of you who have been sentimental over our new Sentinel but only ride carbon, the wait is over. Available in S, M, L and XL sizes and boasting all the same great features, hardware and parts kits as the alloy model. Coming in at a modest 6.83 lb / 3.1 kg for the frame with shock and mounting hardware, this carbon beauty is a true rocketship.
The Sentinel continues to receive praise as the bike that can truly do everything well. So if you like going up, over and down mountains the Sentinel is the bike for you. Available early 2018.
Transition Sentinel Carbon• Travel: 140mm rear / 160mm front
• Wheel size: 29"
• Carbon frame
• 64° head angle / 435mm chainstays
• Speed Balanced Geometry
• Weight: 6.83 lb / 3.1 kg
• $2999 USA MSRP / Frameset
• $4999 USA MSRP / GX build
• $5999 USA MSRP / XO1 build
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www.transitionbikes.com .
Also never seen a durability issue with anyone else who's been putting in similar time on them (which has been a significant number of people locally and across the western US).
In fact, this is the first I've heard of any short-term failures on them.
In fact, I can't even find any mention of frame failures on recent frames in the whole Transition forum on MTBR.
So.....the hell are you talking about?
In all seriousness, any bike can have failures at any point if ridden beyond its intended use or subjected to repeated abuse. I'm sure every model of bike has had at least one failure in its entire production life. The odds of any model having a perfect record is next to impossible. Guaranteed there will at least be a handful of hack riders with more money then brains that will destroy each model manufactured.
I ride with guys that take their RM Thunderbolt to Parks. They keep up to the Enduro bikes and even ride trails normally reserved for full DH bikes. They pick good lines, land jumps properly (not hucking to flat) and do maintenance after every day of riding. The longevity will obviously be reduced from the guys using them as a trail bike but the fact that they hold up for 2-3 seasons of hard riding is a testament to how far this industry has come in their engineering and manufacturing (environmental impact aside).
lol
He decided to sell the bike in frustration...
The lol part is 'small' weight gain. These new alu bikes are heavier than my dh bike.
Miles ahead of other companies to own up to that up front. Bikes break, it's part of the sport. Transition has a better record on their current models than many other brands. Sure, I've warrantied 10% of the frames sold. 5% due to a cosmetic quality issue. 0% structural failure. Much better than many many other frames I've handled over the years.
I've had my Patrol for a while and have done little to no maintenance, even though I crash, hit things, and fly through rock gardens.
Hopefully the alloy ones no longer crack!
Otherwise they look like great bikes and I'd like to own one.
I mean, the bike has great geo, but unless it is going to last 20 years instead of 10, why bother with carbon if it saves the weight of a single grip?
Carbon 6.8 lbs. - 3.1 Kg | Alloy 9.3 lbs.
What an amazing age we live in.
The thing about Transition is that they don't have a reputation for having their frames' tubes buckling like old Kona's, but they do have a visible history of having their otherwise overbuilt frames develop cracks that propagate from just around the welds. I brought my broken Transition to a world-class aluminum frame builder I know, and he immediately tore apart the design of their bike. He's the real welder, but I personally feel that it is welding issues that are the problem, rather than the design itself. I guess those things go hand-in-hand though. Anyways, overly beefy tubes if the welds are the weak point! Would be better to have some cross bracing on narrower tubes to take stress off of welds rather than have strong tubes with weak points at the welds.
All that aside, I'm really not trying to hate on Transition. There seems to be a lot of Carbon bikes that aren't very light at all in the industry right now. Its kind of disappointing because those Carbon bikes are barely eclipsing the strong light aluminum bikes of 10 years ago, and that's really my point here. Carbon bikes have a long ways to go still.
Scott shit on everyone but Unno in composite construction.
Somehow Scott are able to undercut everyone by 500g+.
and it came at 2.2kg w/o shock. Cesar Rojo claims SC has it dialled, Raoul Lueschers cut of Madone 9.9 puts Trek in question, my friends Remedy cracked by a blow of FF helmet with riders head inside into the top tube. However I’ve seen it cut inside afterwards and it looks quite well, minimal wrinkles, quite fine surface but I’m no specialist.
Unless someone does a tour of Asian factories with a camera and then get a sample of each frame for hacksaw treatment then we can only speculate.
It doesn't say on their website, but I also checked their women's website and they list frame weights as "from this weight and up". It actually says 6.3 for the women's version of the bronson and the newmad is listed at 6.2. So, 5.9 might be reasonable. Either way, we're talking about maybe an upwards of 10 grips lighter than the Transition, and no famous quality problems.
I still run into guys in Nanaimo without droppers! XC Lyfe!!!!
The stiffness and impeccable handling of this frame mean more to me than a few hundred grams. I’ve ridden too many lighter frames that were too flexible and handled poorly as a result.
For comparison my 2015 XL Nomad frame was 450g lighter. Durable and stiff - how did they do it?
I agree that a frame can be too stiff but I can only imagine that’s for smaller riders on smaller frames.
That said I'm 67kg/175cm but it makes me think we need more size specific lay-ups and tubing profiles ala road bikes.
* When you push down on the handlebars to initiate a corner and the bike just twists. The seat tube and headtube are no longer coplanar. Then it springs back which causes the bike to go off-line.
* When you land a jump or drop a bit sideways and the bottom bracket flexes sideways. This causes the same twist in the frame but in a different way.
Take that Thunderbolt, stretch the tubes for an XL size without increasing the diameter, then add 30kg to the rider. That springiness that you feel becomes nervous flex. I couldn’t sell that bike fast enough (Tbolt BC Edition with XTR and Enve M60s).
I bought a Specialized Tarmac (61cm) this past summer because of the size specific design. I’ve never had such a fine handling road bike. It responds to pedal input with just the right amount of flex and the bike feels like one unit when pushing through downhill corners. The downtube and toptube are absolutely huge which creates this feeling.
reminded me of the Push 11-6 promo video
Im pretty sure even pinkbike's review of the bike didnt say that
Remember, this is not an all-purpose 29er trail/all-mountain bike, it's a big sled. So it's playful - for a big sled. It climbs well - for a big sled. If you want more playfulness, look to the Smuggler, which will deliver the sort of capability that people thought of as long travel 29er territory, with 140/120 (fore/aft) of squish. In the Bike Mag test issue, they have an interview with a TBC rep about the Smuggler - and the upshot of that is to give the Smuggler a try before you go for the bigger bike, as you might be surprised by capability beyond what the travel numbers would suggest.
GX Eagle (with a Lyrik) build is $4k - also pretty decent. Same goes for Smuggler, btw - which competes directly with a Jeffsy 29, in case you want to cross-check the value proposition. The YT comes in a little lower for a comparable build, but not by much.
Here's the thing, though - who is selling alloy frames for less? Looks like YT and Canyon and Whyte aren't selling frames, just complete builds. I can find Evil offering alloy frames - those come in $100 lower MSRP than Transition's. I sometimes fantasize about building up my own bike starting from frame/shock package - not so much because I want to go high-end blingy, but so I can get the stuff I'd end up upgrading after a while right off the bat. I don't mind a low end bike - but I'd rather have working-man's-spec Shimano drivetrains and brakes than SRAM. Being heavy, I'd rather spend money on a beefy rear hub and beefy rims rather, than go cheaper on drivetrain and cockpit and so forth.
The $6500 (floor price of $5500) enduro can be had with 160mm of travel, lifetime warranty, comparable/adjustable geo, carbon wheels and weed storage. Gg’s $5200 Smash is handmade in the US, weighs the same, has almost identical geo with a 160mm fork and can be ordered with custom everything. Transition has the hipster factor but I’m just not feeling it, perhaps a test ride would change my mind.
Doesn't the Smash have your "mullet suspension configuration" also? Also, Guerrilla Gravity offers their lifetime frame support warranty.
I find Orbea and Santa Cruz offer excellent lifetimes warranties.
I think going big and burly was more a design consideration than a pound or two of frame weight.
and, Gig Harbor?...sure it was...
In all seriousness I wonder if any other of there 2018 models will go carbon
mrblackmorescorner.blogspot.com/2017/07/orbea-rallon-29-2018-vs-santa-cruz.html
Keep them coming!
Yes but can you make the carbon fiber frame even lighter?
other wise they wont sell!
No problem well just limit the warranty to two years.
A nice light disposable plastic frame.
Do Mike D or MCA (RIP Ad Rock) ride MTB?
Or have you meant the good old: Boost, metric, plus+, Low Long sLack, Ebike, Internal routing, at least 50 inch seatpost drop and sub $10000 boxes?