Spotted: Garmin’s New 'Rally' SPD Power Meter Pedals

 Haven’t shopped for a power meter much, have you?

 Yes, these are just "pedals". No high technology is going in inside these. No advanced electronics, no sophisticated software algorithms, no hours of engineering R&D work... Just a couple of pedals.

 I got an idea... Flat pedals with a power meter. There, I fixed a problem that doesn't exist.

 @DrPete: no, I personally haven't... and at 1200 dollars for a set of pedals I don't think I'll bother.

 @brytar: lol I'm waiting

 @brytar eTMACs

 @eriknasby: you should try riding on the weekends, I myself ride on both Saturday and Sunday!

 @eriknasby: haha jesus dude, look at all your toxic comments. Change something in your life buddy.

 @eriknasby: trump supporter too lol

 @eriknasby: Says the guy who rode a bike with an externally routed dropper post until 2019...take a breather buddy!

 @kev-jones: my exact sentiment.

 @DrPete: i guess its you who hasnt shopped for quite some time.. top range powermeters now go for ~800.. e.g. quarq with xx1 cranks. Faveros or garmin vector dual pedals too if we talk road. Stages or 4iiis can be even less if on discount (not in covid times tho).

 @brytar: Indeed! Not a normal comment from that guy!

 @nazbery: that’s hilarious...are you comparing that to the previous shitshow?

If you haven’t heard, people are actually getting vaccinated at a rate to put us ahead of schedule, not woefully behind.

 @kev-jones: I’d be riding 145mm cranks if I had $1200 pedals

 You seem to have triggered a lot of road bikers and gigajoule measuring cross-country techies who likely have no real need for these.

 @brytar: they'll put out hella watts with them flat pedals draped over the tailgate of their shuttlebro truck

 @sammybikes916: haha they will measure in ft/lbs and mimic that of toyota factory spec

 @ReformedRoadie: And all this vaccine stuff was only accomplished after Biden's election? No foundation of preparation preceded and enabled those numbers? I'm not taking one side or the other, but just as Trump shouldn't claim other stuff, or people blame a new president for things (like tax hikes or foreign policy etc) that were planned beforehand and only enacting/coming to fruition now, it's not on the level .. all this huzzah for Biden and his publicity campaign of miraculous vaccinations.

 @mtbikeaddict: It didn't seem like they gave a crap about anything other than disputing the election after November, so I'm inclined to believe that the reports of there being no plan have merit. By late January, they were way below the promised vaccinations. Pfizer, the first available vaccine had nothing to do with Warp Speed.
Do I think Biden is great, hell no, but relatively speaking...big step up.

 @brytar: I would like flat pedals with a power meter. Thanks.

 @poundsand: and they should do as your name states

 CALL THE POLICE

 They won’t know watt to think about this.

 @Randy-Verified:
Dirt roadies will be amped, but others are revolted. Watts up with all the resistance?

 They're likely too busy melting down about BETA mag leaking GX AXS early.

 @mtmc99: someone needs to put there foot down on this.

 Twist: the customer was.... Cam McRae!

 Shhhhhh...don't let the whiners know the secret to getting stronger:

Hard work and dedication.

 Sounds boring in a lycra kind of way..

 @lenniDK: As someone who wears lycra pretty often on the bike.... it is kinda boring. But fitness still helps.

 @lenniDK: oh, it is boring, but for old fat guys like me with limited time to ride it’s also a way to squeeze the most improvement out of limited time on the bike. My motor holds me back way more than my technical abilities on most trails anyway.

 @lenniDK: boring as used by the best DH racers, part of the process

 yep! so i can justify my expensive lycras!

 It is boring. 1-2 hours of intervals on a trainer SUCKS. Being strong enough to climb 5000, 10000, 15000 feet and then get all that sweet sweet descending is worth it.

 But now they will now your strava koms arent legit when they see you pushing 100 watts up a 15 degree hill at 30km/h.

 @radrider: No worries! I'll hack them, to show more watts.

The same like I unblocked my e-bike to ride faster.

 A small price to pay for the knowledge of the precise and MASSIVE amounts of watts you're producing as you KOM all over the inferior competition on your local beginner singletrack climb.

 @atourgates: oh god stop KOMing on your opponents.

 About right for a dual sided power pedal set

 @atourgates: Only to have that KOM taken from you a week later by pimply kid on 26 inch wheels whose only power-meter is how many snickers bars he eats before the ride.

 I'm actually interested in having a power meter, and with each new iteration of pedal-baed meters I expect the price to come down to a moderately palatable $500ish dollars. But $1200 is just nuts. For reference that's $200 more than a dual sided Dura Ace Stages power meter - a unit based on a crankset that's $600+ without a power meter!

 @jeansebille: do you enjoy cleaning teeth?

 @maximumunicorn: Exactly, that's nuts.

 @imnotdanny: fwiw, dentists don't clean teeth... they employ the techs that clean teeth.

 @jeansebille: your Berta attitude is showing.

 @mattsavage: ik that, obviously I'm not serious. @jeansebille: by any chance are you actually a dentist?

 No no you don't understand. Your supposed to buy the power meter eewings AND these pedals. That way you can check them against each other and make sure your not missing a single watt out of your 200 watt ftp.

 @hmstuna: As a documented 200wt ft rider on zwift, i resent that comment I also clean my trainer chain right before the twice a year test to make sure i am getting all of my Fs Ts and Ps

 Ashy Larry got into grav grav recently

 You might need to get out of the office and do some more digging mate. That's what hands that get used look like

 Cheaper yes but more likely to break on a pedal strike

 @hardtailhowie: I'd argue they're less likely to break... all the electronics are stored in the pod which is protected by the crankarm as opposed to the Garmin's having it all in the pedal body itself.

 @sspiff: No... that's the 'poor tip' that people who can't afford to train with power like to offer up. There is no way to train more effectively than to train with power, which is the reason why every pro outside of maybe DH uses power to train.

And "just ride more" and ride with power aren't mutually exclusive propositions, you can do both.

 @badbadleroybrown: ride more and ride with power can be mutually exclusive depending on how much overtime someone has to out in to afford power.
But you are correct. Most effective way to train hands down.

 @badbadleroybrown: I’m pretty sure the pod profile hangs down lower than the crank by a several millimeters. If I look at my bike the crank arms are more banged up than the pedals. But you have a fair point if the pod profile is in fact lower than the crank arms.

 @badbadleroybrown: I can almost promise you that even DH pros have a PM on their training rigs.

 @JSTootell: yeah, I agree... it's really become ubiquitous at this point for anyone who is serious about getting stronger on the bike.

 @badbadleroybrown: The most effective way to train is to have a plan, consistently execute it while putting in an actual effort. You can do that with perceived power for free. Spend $1200 racing, trainer, coach , bike upgrades. then buy a power meter in 2022 if you still want one.

 @psullivan65: Hire a coach and the first thing he'll tell you is to train with power... This isn't the 90's when heart rate and perceived exertion were the key data points in training. If you're serious about getting stronger, you'll buy a power meter. If you're not, then go ride your bike and don't worry about how much other people are spending on power meters.

 @sspiff: Since when is swapping pedal bodies "jerry rigging" something?

 I had no idea you could do this. I have the Favero Assioma on my Santa Cruz Stigmata and it is by far, the most rock solid and reliable power meter I've used (compared to Garmin Vector and Stages XTR). Appreciate the tip!

 @psullivan65: perceived exertion is not a metric... it has its place but is insufficient to build a program around. Watts on the other hand, don’t care. They are a consistent measure of actual work.

 @Chadimac22: I've done it with the M-Force 8 pedal body and it worked great. The M-Force, CXR, and Baldwin pedals all share the same axle so it should work with any of them, but the Baldwin may possibly be wide enough to end up causing some space issues with the pod. It looks like the platform would clear just eyeballing it but I don't have a set to measure or try it. Just use the spindle and the inner bearing end cap from the Assioma's and swap the body and outer cap from the Xpedo onto the spindle. Five minute job.

 @GZMS: the only benefit of RPE in training is its correlation with lactate build up. For targeted training efforts it offers virtually no value as its a subjective and highly variable data point. Training at a 7 out of 10 RPE one day has almost no correlation with a 7 out of 10 on another day and varies based on everything from sleep to mood to time of day... training at 80% of FTP is 80% of FTP every day.

You can keep riding the dead horse of perceived exertion but arguing that it's "fully sufficient" is on par with arguing that a 56k dial up modem is "fully sufficient" for getting online... it may have been true in 1994 but it simply isn't true today.

 @GZMS: literally everything you just said is wrong.

 @badbadleroybrown: awesome! Thanks man.

 @badbadleroybrown: doesnt look like you read any literature on training, but you could have at least read a brochure for the PM you bought

 @GZMS: you know, for all the talking you're doing you should've accidentally said something correct by now... but look at you go, defying the odds. Good for you, lil guy.

 you forgot that you need to cut your soles on your shoes to make them fit, else you are standing on the big ass bearing

 @Sethimus: There's literally no scenario in which you need to cut your soles. And contact with the pod and shoe tread depends upon the shoe and your cleat setup... I didn't need to grind anything on my Lake MX241's. But yes, you might have contact with the pod on some shoes and need to grind or file down some of the rubber if you've got a shoe with deep tread and a significantly recessed cleat.

 @badbadleroybrown: No, he did get this part right:

"So for most people power meter is in the category of marginal gains. It will not fix their bad discipline of adhering to the plan, or their lack of available hours to train, or their bad sleep/food, or their lack of race skills"

You can use RPE. Or you can get a PM and something like Trainer Road (or other service), or both. I had PM's and a coach, and the dedication to follow a plan, and they were all worth it. Though I am also riding several very nice bikes, I just don't have a car...

 @JSTootell: Totally disagree... studies have consistently proven, across a wide range of activities, that immediate, concrete feedback is highly effective in reinforcing positive behaviors and helping to adhere to a plan. This is one of the big reasons services like Strava have taken off; people are inherently wired to respond to seeing the work they've done in a concrete form. It's also one of the reasons that many people struggle with maintaining things like exercise and diet routines when they aren't immediately gratified with weight loss.

A power meter provides instant data feedback and feeds that need for immediate validation of results and having that data encourages people to make time to ride, to put in more hours to see more results, etc... It can also help to avoid some of the major negatives that push novice riders away. Every cyclist should have a full bonk from time to time just to know where 'empty' really is but, for a novice rider, getting caught by the man with the hammer can be enough to push them away from the sport... especially if they get caught up in some of the traditionally bad advice that goes along with things like training by RPE; things like "always ride with people faster than you" and the like. The huge majority of new riders simply don't have the physical awareness to accurately perceive their exertion level and a lot of new riders set out thinking they're riding at a 5 when they're actually pushing themselves well beyond that and they wind up blowing themselves up half way through a ride.

 @badbadleroybrown: I think you are just arguing for the point of arguing now. I was agreeing with all your points until that.

 @JSTootell: what about what I just said do you feel is inaccurate? There's been no end of studies showing that positive data recording reinforces positive behavior... everything from weight loss to saving money has proven to be positively impacted by recording small, concrete achievements. In what way does power meter training not provide exactly that or in what way does cycling differ from the myriad other activities that are positively impacted so as to not benefit from that effect?

 Virtual Zwifting

 @jojotherider1977: you just blew my f*kin mind bro

 Are we talking 120 tpi or double down casing?
Asking for a friend.

 @grldm3: studded

 @N-60: good call. Fat bike studded.

 @grldm3: With DH casing. And inserts.

 1. From my XC buddies, not great reviews on the reliability of Stages. Lots of rides with issues pairing.

2. You can move from bike to bike much easier. Most XC guys spend a lot of time on the road and are happy with XC pedals on their road/ gravel bike so they can stay used to one bike shoe.

3. For apples to apples, a one side power pedal option will probably cost $800. Still not cheap, but not horrible for a power meter.

I have no interest in these as my XC days are long past and I’m happy with 5.10s and flat pedals these days, but for those interested in getting fast, power meters are really the way to go and these would make a lot of sense.

 Stages makes probably the worst, well known power meter you can buy. If these are as good as my Vectors have been, there’s no doubt they will be worth more than a stages crank arm to a lot of people.

There are also bikes where a pedal based system is about your only option. Gearbox bikes, e-bikes, etc. Some people like to have fun when they are training and put power meters on enduro bikes etc.

 Huehuehue , i believe humans have not yet discovered a way to measure singularities :d

 You have to buy the pedals to find out.

 XC is really the only mountain market where people are clamoring for power... these are aimed squarely at XC and Gravel riders.

 @badbadleroybrown: endurbros clearly need these so they can more effectively lay down the hammer in sport class.

 @badbadleroybrown: Yep, these are aimed at XC. Gravity guys would probably stick more to crank/spindle/chainring PM options.

(My E29 has a spindle PM, XC bike has crank)

 @toast2266: yeah, because if they spend $1200 on something that will actually help make them faster it’ll be harder to judge them for buying expensive bikes.