Spotted: Forbidden's Downhill Bike In Action - Lenzerheide DH World Cup 2022

Jul 7, 2022
by Matt Beer  
Unfortunately detailed shots are currently Forbi... ahem not allowed but it sure looks like some machine.
No direct side-on shots or details just yet.

Connor Fearon joined Forbidden Bikes this season and charged into the first three downhill World Cups aboard Forbidden’s Dreadnought enduro bike with only 154mm of rear wheel travel, but is now aboard an unreleased bike, presumably with a lot more suspension. With that said, hats off to the lad for dipping into the top 20 at the Fort William World Cup aboard his Dreadnought wielding a RockShox Boxxer up front.

The high pivot trend continues in the Forbidden tent with a "murdered out" build on the raw carbon beast, although this bike looks to use a linkage that separates the braking forces from the suspension, similarly to the Norco Range and Antidote Darkmatter. How it differs slightly from those two bikes is the rocker that drives the shock articulates on a pivot above the chainring, not around the bottom bracket.

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Bolt-on dropouts hint at multi-size rear wheel options.

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This frame looks like it came right out of the mold with no time to wait for bolt-on downtube protectors

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The idler appears to land on the seatstay, but is slightly lower than the pivot.

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A RockShox BlackBox fork has a muscular look to match the frame.

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The headtube looks to use 56mm top and bottom cups to maximize the amount of reach offset headset cups bring to the table.

This layout carries a few different names, like "flipped four-bar", and "virtual high pivot", but either way, it differs from the solid rear triangle design of the Dreadnought and Druid trail bikes. Compared to the silhouettes of those bikes, almost all of the tubes look more robust for the rigours of downhill racing, especially the seat mast and shock tunnel.

Near the dropout, you can notice a chunk of aluminum that houses the rear axle. Currently, there's a 27.5" rear wheel in there, but I'd wager that it's replaceable to accept a larger one too. At the front, there's some fresh love from SRAM in the form of a larger diameter stanchion dual crown fork that has been raced by other top RockShox athletes throughout the 2022 season.

We've reached out to Forbidden Bikes for more information regarding the geometry, kinematics, and travel stats and will update this space with any news. Pinkbike member @wheelsmith suggested the DH bike should be called the "Fearnought". You know, that's not bad.

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The team has been hounded by our media crew, but they've remained tight-lipped about any details so far.

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...but Connor remained focused on the racing at hand and wasted no time getting up to speed on the box-fresh bike.

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Will a full DH-spec allow Connor to go faster or did he inadvertently tap into secret speed aboard the Dreadnought enduro bike?


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66 Comments
  • 87 3
 Looks like Forbidden Fruit
  • 31 1
 Can't wait for more info and pictures to come out from this. I ride a Druid and have been blown away by how capable it is. I can only imagine that an all-out DH platform from the same engineers is going to be an absolute rocket ship. Connor was up there in timed practice today so hopefully can't translate that into a good result!
  • 15 0
 Looks like a fresh ZExxer fork too!
  • 6 1
 @racecase: would be great if the new BoXXer had 38mm or 40mm stanchions.
  • 5 14
flag valrock (Jul 8, 2022 at 14:53) (Below Threshold)
 I am always skeptical about comments like this. What did you ride before? Maybe druid feels good only because your first bike was a Walmart bike? I do not doubt that this a good bike, but so every other in same price category.
  • 11 3
 @valrock: I have a Druid too. my list of previous bikes, both boutique and big name is over 20x now. The Druid beats all my previous bikes on several levels.

Anyway, you might ride like a softy and find the Druid too fast.
  • 2 0
 @louiefriesen: Yes please. Boxxers are pretty, but it's those teensy stanchions that I'd like to change before I get another.
  • 2 0
 @rosemarywheel: plus a bolt on fender would be nice.
  • 2 0
 @louiefriesen: They make those??!? that would be grand (although more room for kit that only fits their brand...)
  • 1 1
 @danlovesbikes: @danlovesbikes: I think you are full of shit Big Grin
  • 1 0
 @rosemarywheel: Yes. Fox has them for the 36, 38, and 40, Syncros makes ones for the 34, and Rockshox makes ones for the ZEB, SID, and the new Lyrik and Pike.
  • 2 1
 @rosemarywheel: it looks to me like the blackbox boxxer has much larger stanchions, presumably 38 mm stanchions on modified Zeb lowers. It's about time that RS increased the stanchion size
  • 28 0
 I’m out in Cumberland BC right now. Never seen so many forbidden dreadnoughts and druids in my life. Great company, great bikes. The riding here is also top notch
  • 55 3
 Riding here is terrible. Probably best to stay on the mainland.
  • 21 2
 @Dont-hit-trees: can confirm, Vancouver Island in general is just the worst
  • 16 2
 Exactly like riding in the Alps, it sucks, do not waste your time here
  • 4 1
 @fracasnoxteam: enough with the brits.. ; )
  • 7 0
 SELL YOUR CHALETS !
  • 9 2
 @nickkozak: can confirm half of mountain bikers are douche clowns
  • 4 1
 Noice. Hope you get to check out some of the other trails outside of Cumberland as well. The valley has loads of goods.
  • 2 1
 Enjoy! Hope you have enjoyed the island up and down! Nanaimo and Cowichan both host a lot of fun and diversity of trails as well.
  • 2 0
 @j-p-i: Yes it sure does. I miss it so much. Shame about the logging up on Forbidden itself tho.. the pics of Upper Cabin make me want to cry.
  • 6 0
 Been toying with the idea of buying a Dreadnought to have as a "park" bike, wonder what the timeline is going to look like for this to hit public production. Have no need for a DH bike again but this has me reconsidering...
  • 4 8
flag valrock (Jul 8, 2022 at 14:55) (Below Threshold)
 yup, marketing dept doing it's job Big Grin Go get the bike for sure
  • 7 1
 Hopefully *CAN* translate into a good result. My excitement got the better of me!
  • 7 0
 Hopefully they call it the Juggernaught
  • 2 0
 @MattBeer can you explain what you mean when you say the brake is decoupled from the rear axle? Its my understanding that on a horst (or upside down horst) link bike the brake mount is required to be on the stay that is fixed to the axle. Otherwise through suspension travel the pad would wander in or away from its intended spot directly on the braking surface of the disk correct?

Maybe I just have a different interpretation of the sentence that was written. Interested in what you're thinking.
  • 1 0
 from the second and third pics it looks like the rear pivot is above the axle, so if the caliper is on the seat stays then it is decoupled. It's hard to tell if that's the case or if the caliper mount is fixed to the chainstays which would mean it is coupled to the axle.
  • 2 0
 @nskerb That was a seriously garbled sentence which is now reworded. Smile
  • 1 0
 It's not 'decoupled', PB editors really don't understand much.
A 4 bar allowos changes to the anti rise characteristics, the brake still interacts with the suspension. There's no such thing as decoupling the brake unless it's a proper floating brake with a guide arm.

Much like how all the PB journalists proclaimed 29" wheels needed larger brakes. NFI what they're talking about.
  • 5 0
 Side on shots and details are forbidden.
  • 2 0
 I was lucky enough to see this bad boy in person last weekend at Bromont in Québec. Connor was there training before this race, the bike is looking sick! Stoked to see it come to production Big Grin
  • 3 1
 I like that antidote is getting the respect they deserve for bringing this suspension layout to market. The dark matter was truly groundbreaking.
  • 3 0
 There were companies using this design looooooong before Antidote. nsmb.com/articles/paul-brodie-rebuilds-his-one-1998-69er-dh
  • 1 0
 @wake-n-rake: thanks that's a sweet read . Bike uses a transmission as well.
  • 2 0
 Balfa BB7, Lahar and GT-IT1 spring to mind as the pioneers I lusted after. Definitely not new.
  • 1 0
 such a testament to their dreadnaught bike that he can take it to Fort Bill and do so well. I wonder if he will go back to the dreadnaught instead, if he doesn't do as well on this new bike...
  • 3 0
 Looks sick! Can't wait to see how it performs.
  • 3 0
 hopefully matt beer has this in his upcoming DH bike field test
  • 9 6
 One day we'll have DH bikes made to do more than just race again
  • 9 3
 What would you like them to do?
  • 3 0
 @TheBearDen: full 27.5 options for more dh bikes would be sweet. Enduro mullets you can just get longer forks to accommodate smaller front wheels but DH bikes are maxed out, hard to 27.5 a mullet with 200mm of travel.
  • 3 0
 RM seems to be the only mainstream brand totally bucking this trend, topping out their biggest bike at the Slayer but still able to accommodate a downhill fork. I guess Norco has the Shore now too which could also run a dual crown.

Even Banshee appears to have dropped the Darkside from the line-up... that was pretty much the flagship bike.

I can understand the shift though... long travel enduro bikes are just so much more capable than when the short wheelbase/freeride bike was in its prime. Now a 180 mm fills that market for most up until you need a race bike.
  • 2 0
 Good thing they spotted it, can't have forbidden downhill bikes in a competition! The rules, they read-nought
  • 4 0
 das ist verboten
  • 1 1
 I like the use of the big headtube for max reach and angle adjust. Going even bigger is a trend in biking that nobody would complain about (unless the weight got stupid high).
  • 2 0
 confirmed tup
the rear axles is near, the rear axle
  • 3 0
 Looks like a range.
  • 5 3
 Because they had the same engineer behind them?
  • 3 4
 @TheBearDen: They most certainly did not.
  • 1 0
 @RoboDuck: not sure what knob head down voted you, but the high pivot range was definitely PP.
  • 1 0
 Should be called the Fearnought, fear being a more intense word of dread, and it's first pilot being Connor Fearon.
  • 1 0
 That is a beautiful bike.
  • 2 0
 Forb-ridden.
  • 4 3
 Looks like a Se..... Norco Range
  • 5 2
 Forbidden was selling high pivot bikes before the High pivot Range existed.
  • 2 0
 @Cbc4447: Yes but Norco did this suspension layout before forbidden
  • 1 1
 @maglor: You know the founder of Forbidden designed the Range, right?
  • 1 0
 @sfrucian: Yes he worked on it, but that doesnt mean it isn't Norco's design and there was more than just him working on it at Norco, plus this is a change from Forbidden's usual design, therefore i think Norco have more claim to it, Norco could be quite upset they spent all that R&D money that he learn't from only to go and make a very similar competitor bike.
  • 4 4
 Why aren't we seeing gearbox downhill bikes like the Cavaliere Anakin?
  • 4 2
 the power of the two big "S" guys..
  • 12 0
 Despite all the marginal gains from top/experimental tech, if you want your bike to be in the top 60 you basically have to pay a top 60 rider to ride it.
  • 2 0
 Heavier, added complexity + possibly maintenance, and drag come to mind. There would be benefits in other areas too though of course, like reduced unsprung weight.
  • 1 0
 Siiiick
  • 1 0
 WAAANNNNNNT!!







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