Specialized has designed what it calls the 'ultimate first bike' with a full carbon version of its Hotwalk strider bike.
The frame, fork, handlebar and wheels are all carbon and the Rhythm Lite tires have also been redesigned for lightness on this bike with the aim of making it as maneuvrable as possible for young shredders. This is the only kids' bike that Specialized has ever made from carbon and as a result, it's also the brand's lightest ever bike, coming in at 4.63 lbs (2.1kg).
Specialized has also spent some time desigining some kid-specific features on this bike including handlebars that have a 38% smaller diameter, a handle under the saddle for parents to use to carry the bike when the child gets tired and streamlined stays that make it easier for kids to put their feet down. Specialized also built a new test for this bike to ensure it could support children up to 40lb (18kg).
The bike is designed for riders up to 35 inches (88cm) and Specialized recommends an age range of 18 months to four years. As cool as it is, the bike doesn't come cheap. The original aluminium Hotwalk retailed for $175 but this one is more than five times that at $999 USD/£999 GBP. The bike will be on sale from December 3rd, just in time for a very lucky kid's letter to Santa.
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*Dad also cries*
*Specialized laughs*
Seeing production bikes that weigh less than half of a child's body weight is a big win for getting kids fired up about riding bikes.
Specialized makes $1000 strider, misses market completely.
Seriously, though, where are the kids going to store their goldfish and bandaids? Missed opportunity here, Speccy...
100% this. That was my largest oversight when buying my kids run bikes, It gets overlooked, but will allow kids to build exponentially more confidence when they start to get the hang of gliding, balance and speed .... once they get past the sitting on the seat and walking stage.
It is thoroughly disheartening watching your child get off and walk down a hill instead of being able to have fun rolling down it in a reasonably?> controlled manner.... watching your child speed uncontrollably down a hill, waiting for the inevitable disaster, although potentially awesome for Friday Fails is also not very fulfilling.....
It also saves your wife giving you shit about wearing out the toes on kids shoes every week....
*Dad checks bike first*
(Cracked frame)
*Dad starts crying*
Yeah really, $1000 for “the ultimate first bike” should at least get you a rear brake. My daughters $200 run bike had one...
however I agree finally more competitors!
My point is big brands did shitty job in the past to make good kids bikes, and only now are ramping up, there plenty of kids bike manufactures that made a good job!
Maybe the breaks should be integrated into foot pegs like moto, in combination with a internally sealed rear drum break. This way a child can achieve more breaking power using their weight & standing up, while maintaining total control with both hands firmly holding the handle bar, while they build hand strength and dexterity.
“Misses market completely”
I’m not sure the market for this actually exists, but if it does it more than likely doesn’t care about the lack of those features. Someone buys this because it’s a statement, not because it’s functionally better than any other balance bike.
Agree with the limited foot rest space.
But brakes on a balance bike is wasted. I have put my three boys through balance bike. Brakes are useless. Kids use their feet and don’t touch the brake. They seem to automatically drag feet as soon as the get to a speed they are confident with. If they get out of control they don’t reach for the brake and they death grip and grind their shoes.
Whem mom And dad shred new stumpjumper their kid will get new spesh as well now, prior that spesh did walmart level kidbikes
Rim brakes suck for kids on balance bikes. There are balance bikes with disc brake mount and they are excellent. Production Privee used to sell one, which is now sold be Commencal.
We've got one for our daughter. The bike even has foot rests!
Where does one go to sign up for the spend-5k-a-year-on-a-mtb club? I, and probably 95% of PB readers would love to know.
To put all our pissing in context, a kid rides a balance bike loads. And after the kid progresses to a pedal bike, it is being passed on to so many other kids. I honestly don't know anyone who's bought one new and I doubt even know the first buyer. And I don't know who's got ours now after we passed them on (and they passed them on too). Isn't 1k considered an "affordable bike" here on PB, possibly even a "beater bike" or "N+1 bike"? None of these will probably see the amount of riding time as a decent balance bike gets. If the lower weight actually inspires the kid to get up that hill once more for another rush down and another great memory, it is actually well worth it. A kid will most likely have a good time on any decent steel or short fiber plastic composite balance bike, no question. If riding one of these with an even lower weight and better handling will give them a great time, it is still a worthy consideration.
She was on the kick bike from 18 mos to 3+ and then she started pedaling to keep up with her little friends on their pedal bikes. I still have the kick bike and #2 is on the way, I'm considering making a disc mount and lacing a up a wheel with a disc hub, and a 120 rotor from a scooter. I have some old Hayes Strokers laying around. Maybe if I get bored during my 12 week parental leave.
As a father of three I assure you I am aware of the benefit of balance bikes. My eldest (turned 4 back in September) progressed from his balance bike to a 12” wheel pedal bike a month or two ago; completely skipping the stabiliser/training wheel phase. Interestingly though, his balance bike did not have a brake or footrests. It would have been nice to have em, but it’s not the be all & end all.
It’s also missing the point of my comment - it matters not one iota that this bike lacks those features. Functionality is not the point of this; it’s a statement piece, nothing else really. And that’s fine - a Lamborghini Aventador is far less practical than a Ford Focus, but given the choice I know which I’d have...
Still, regarding the hand-me-down theory: I bought my son a steel DK strider when he was 3 for $125, and it is now in my first daughter’s hands. When she’s done with it, it will go to her little sister. Then I will sell it for maybe $25? For $100 I feel I’ve gotten my money’s worth, and it’s in fine shape. Kids are at once hard of these things (falls, scratches), and not quite hard enough (nothing beyond cosmetic damage). Steel is good enough. Not a lot I could do to justify to myself to buy this carbon bike, personally.
How many times have you bought your kids something and they play with it like twice? Well, if I got my kid this strider, you bet damn well we are going to be on this bike Every. Single. Day.
Ha!
Side note: Most people I know who mountain bike and have families don't buy new bikes every year, more like a new bike every 7-10 years and even than they are looking at mid range bikes not top of the line.
Me: WTF !!!
but I can't blame Big S for wanting to make money when there is a market for such a thing. Brand recognition can start pretty young...
Then there are A LOT of companies to become frustrated by. Have fun with that.
I can’t tell, are you arguing for or against spending “exorbitant amounts of money” on something like this?
If against, keep in mind we live in better homes than the vast majority of the world, have vehicles and healthcare, and jobs that pay better than most. By your logic, we don’t need those things either if others can survive on less...but they sure make it better.
As an aside, I’m so sick of this pseudo-socialist mindset that so many PB commenters have where everything is about whether or not someone else “needs” it compared to the standards of the person doing the criticism. We live in a capitalist society and are free to spend our money on whatever we please.
I don’t personally see enough value in this to justify the price tag, but if somebody else wants to that’s their prerogative. They don’t owe me a damn thing.
I guess I understand everyone and their "don't buy it!" response, but in reality there are "externalized costs" that we all pick up on the back end, when ridiculous items like this are produced for a throw away culture. I participate in the marketplace, own an MTB that is far from "green." But, I understand your frustration.
Furthermore, how about be a good Capitalist Christian and pay someone's rent whose kid sleeps in a car this winter rather than buy your kid this piece of plastic. Hows that for a guilt trip.
Arguing that a person on a diet should go ahead and finish the cake if they've slipped up and had a single slice would be absurd.
Likewise, saying someone cant be angry at the excess of a $1000 kids toy because they (probably) have a nice bike or two at home in the garage is not helpful.
lets just say it how it is, if you have things you don't need then you have no right to dog other people about the things you think they don't need.
But thank you for saving my brain! Could not come up with the term.
It's such an important and often ignored concept; all the more important as large companies weasel out of paying their taxes. The "multinational corp" is basically just a tax sheltering scheme. Another "Pump and dump." Pump out stuff for cheap, dump the real costs on everybody else. And frankly a lot of the practical materials R&D gets lifted from higher-ed and the military that we all pay for.
Cursed by being trained in The Dismal Science.
Marx and Lenin couldn’t have put it better. It would go something like this:
“ Sometimes it is up to the STATE to have some _______ discretion and choose to PROVIDE things consciously and stop contributing as much to a society of polarization.”
An additional note: If a quote isn't actually a quote, it's not very productive to bring it up as a quote. I do nonetheless appreciate you bringing up the point that governments should provide things to people.
"that governments should provide things to people."
Sure, roads, BASIC infrastructure and military to serve in. Beyond that, they are a hindrance to the well prepared. As for education? Socialism destroyed public schools in the US two decades ago. Trophies for everyone
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make by bringing up education, but it seems you’re advocating that a company should show restraint to whatever comfort level you have with consumption? If that’s the case, you’ve lost me in a capitalist society. Buyers and sellers are free to conduct commerce in an open market, barring regulatory limits, which don’t apply here.
Take your high horse and do with it what you will... for yourself. Leave everyone else out of it.
For the record, I am a blue collar auto mechanic. I don’t care what the filthy rich do with their money.
Please refrain from implying I am the victim of something and therefore inherently weak because of that, it's a shit way to treat someone.
I think I could afford to buy one of these for my kid for xmas but I understand it has no more value than the $50 version.
I couldn't give a f*ck who buys this, or why, I am merely using my freedom of speech to say I think it's a worthless piece of shit and anyone considering buying it possibly has more money than sense.
Why should anyone ride a $12k AXS machine when a $2400 hardtail provides fun for countless people around the world? This entire thread is a testament to the lack of scope or perspective employed by the average person.
For the Average Joe like me I couldn't agree more, a $2500 bike is good enough to get out, get fit and have a lot of fun.
I think the same applies to a child's bike though, the magic ingredient is parental time and encouragement, not carbon fibre.
Cons: price, no foot rests for kids to develop turning skills with feet on frame, air valves still look extremely hard to attach a conventional floor pump head without an adapter, no disc mounts for future XTR hydraulic brakes.
My neice loves hers
www.ebay.com/itm/12-Inch-Full-Carbon-Children-Balance-Bike-Kids-Push-Bicycle-For-1-3-Years-Old/263728511992
HOWEVER, $1000 for a toddler bike is just hilarious and pure flex. Specialized definitely knows their market.
Their carbon balance bike was available far before the Specialized was announced -- as far as I know it's based on their own molds.
.....or you could just copy & paste
Those people screw and spawn kids that ride carbon balance bikes.
Parents do not need to demand carbon bikes for their kids. What parents want is an affordable, durable bike that is not going to break the bank. Kids do not have the skills or knowledge to warrant a $1,000 bike.
I've seen both my kids use the balance bike as a way of testing out things to ride that they otherwise wouldn't feel comfortable trying on their pedal bikes first.
On the bike trailer note, we've gotten a lot of use out of ours even as the kids have gotten older -- for longer rides, we'll start with both kids riding and then let the 3 year old ride in the trailer for a few miles to rest if he starts to get tired (with his bike strapped to the back of the trailer via gear ties).
Beyond that, I just toss a big cardboard box in the trailer and use it for things like running errands or picking up carryout food. Way more fun to take the bike than load up in the car for a 1 mile drive.
Once the kids get too big to fit, I'm planning to make some modifications and turn it into a dedicated cargo trailer.
Bike manufacturers-“we here you loud and clear”
*One $1,000 kids balance bike later*
Bike manufacturers- “ just what you asked for, right?”
The people- “ are you F-ing serious*, not today Satan”
Also, Spesh...no one asked for this. What they did ask for was an AIR forked, hydraulically braked, compact geo, light wheels and tires, appropriate cranklength for around 600$ that isn't a heap of trash like your Riprock. Just copy the Vitus Nucleus and add a few bucks and copy the geometry from Commencal/Norco/Spawn/Prevelo/Trailcraft and boom...you'll dominate. But yeah go ahead and make 1k$ hotwalk lol...one day you'll realize that the kids scene is important for the community as a whole.
Mythical times: Trojan horse
1820: Straw horse
1920: Wooden horse
2020: Carbon horst
OK, but a 30 million dollar *watch* exists. As do 50 million dollar cars.
Yet here we are, complaining about a thousand dollar toy.
WGAF?
It’s going to be sold to people where this bike will be a minute percentage of the parents bike collection.
I bet you could sell it on once your kid has grown up, for minimal loss (as with most kids bikes) making it the same or similar total cost as cheaper options.
£3000 wheels, £1000 cranks, £2000 forks, none of these really make a difference to the vast majority that ride them, yet they sell pretty well.
If you/your kid doesn’t like it, don’t buy it.
From one Dad to potential others... NEVER buy a regular specialized Hotrock 12 or 16". My daughter had a 16" for about two days... the thing was 25lbs !!! I was insulted and I really think it tarnishes the image of the company... you should be able to trust the brand.
I swapped it for a 16lbs Spawn and she's never looked back. (and there are several other brands that put the mainstream guys to shame)
www.pinkbike.com/news/7-kids-bikes-taipei-cycle-show-2018.html
Damn, I'm getting old and doing the "back in my day" rants now. Time for a carbon fiber specialized walker?
I'm skeptical.
I'm trying to convince the Mrs to shave her head and start wearing wigs. Would save $$$ and I could have a new GF every night!
LoL
Not need to jump in.
But there is a HUGE market for light kids bikes,
That none of the big bike. Companies jumped on so far.
Over here (Austria, Germany) there are a handful of companies that can't satisfy the demand and have waiting lists of over 3onths for a kids bike. The resell value is almost the same as retail, sometimes higher because of availability.
Still the big brands produce 16" inch wheeled bikes that weigh 10kg (my 26" enduro weighs 12kg WTF)?
The wheels of this bikes have the same amount of spokes!!!?? As mine have. The Brakes, the same geometry and leverage, the shifters are the same, and and and...
It is expensive, but specialized ain't no twat.
This is there flagship - some people will buy it. Wait for it, the just explored a new market. Wait for it to be exploited.
Good times ahead - for kids at least.
They completely missed the most important feature to help kids progress, which is a side area where kids can rest their feet on and use to stand up on. Both my kids had and loved the old version of this and spent almost all their time standing up on it once they were comfortable balancing. As a result of this failure in design, this product does the opposite of what they were intending, because it inherently undermines Specialized's reputation as a company focused on well designed / performance focused bikes, and instead makes it look like they just make over priced products.
Plastic bike from Costco $69.99 CAD.
Has footings
Weighs little
Can take a pounding.
photos.app.goo.gl/8wpDnZ85Du4QStbSA
photos.app.goo.gl/fM9L4eTcYkAbYchv7
photos.app.goo.gl/9Q498tsgz21jKe2E6
"Handcrafted from 3/2.5 and 6/4 titanium, and utilizing a new compact geometry, this state of the art tricycle will provide families with riding memories for generations to come. Litespeed?s custom-built, CNC-engraved, anodized aluminum fork comes with a Cane Creek C2 headset. The 50mm stem eases steering through the aluminum riser bars, while the extended rear axle provides unparalleled rider stability. The spring-loaded saddle cushions its rider on those long century rides, while the pneumatic tires and titanium frame absorbs any vibrations the sidewalk has to offer."
Democracy is influenced by Lobbyists as much as altruism
I wouldn't buy it, even if I had kids and was rich, but I still think it's cool
At that point, they're spending far more on travel than the bikes themselves over the course of a season.
People lose their rational minds when it comes to buying stuff for their kids (or buying bike stuff in general).
I don’t think kids give s***, it’s parents who think wow look at my kids and his carbon bike without pedals.
(1) This thing is inarguably a waste of about $900.
(2) People will absolutely buy it (probably because they're insecure c*nts that need to flex on their douchebag neighbors).
(3) it's their money and therefore is not, nor should it be, any of your business.
Specialized, when we said more competition in the bike industry, we didn't mean for you to compete with these...
www.pinkbike.com/news/randoms-part-2-taipei-cycle-show-2019.html
www.pinkbike.com/news/7-kids-bikes-taipei-cycle-show-2018.html
Looks great though. If Specialized could re-engineer this into a mass producive cast aluminum or even plastic (without CF) versions at affordable pricees it would be even better. Seems doable.
However, I'd guess the real reason they're introducing this bike is exactly for the response they're receiving here. They're trying to position themselves as the utmost high end manufacture and drive discussion/brand recognition. This bike will be featured in places beyond bike websites. This will generate press in mainstream magazines and websites, which will drive "dentists" to purchase one of Spec's other bikes. This product costs them very little to develop, but helps spread that high end perception. If they sold even a few of them, great, but I'd be willing to bet that this product's funding may have come from the marketing department (and the response here is exactly what they were looking for).
Just post the energy and lifecycle impact of every item in marketing portfolio Specialised, and every other brand and lets see them green credentials Bike Industry.
Woeful slide of credibility into a failing and moribund America, Europe.
IF I would want to spoil a kid, I would rather take this. E-bike, premium brand and also more affordable. Did someone mention disc brakes as well?
Specialized: Hold my beer.
"Wow! Take it out daddy. I can't wait"'
Bike comes out of box and kid goes in to make a $1,000 fort.
Status grom would sell, YT is out of stock.
Liv Intrigue it is!
*Wife allegedly works with wealthy people*
*Proceeds to act wealthy by association*
Part of my wife's job is cutting checks, it's insane to see the stuff they buy and what they pay for it.
“You broke bastards wouldn’t know wealth if it but you in the ass. I personally know my wife who works with 2 tremendously rich brothers that spend this much money on truffle oil everyday. Am I as rich as them? No. But I’m totally entitled to act like a rich a*shole because I know people that know people.”
Here you go.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Xh8OFwKJ4
But what do you see in every comment section for something expensive, the same lame ass comments.
People calling it a waste , for dentist etc...
I personally don't find any money I spend on my kids to be a waste, especially if it's something to get them outdoors and doing it together.
Can I afford this thing no, is it a waste no. If I made the money my wife's bosses make and my kids were at this age again, I'd have 2 custom painted ones in the garage without thinking about it.
While I agree this is nice bike, bulshitometr skyrocket out of the roof
The contact patch for a 12" tire is just too small for effective braking.
If you want to reduce high speed wheel wobble, a damping headset is part of the answer -- I put them on my kids' bikes and it seemed to make a pretty big difference for my 3 year old:
canecreek.com/product/viscoset
And he'll be better off for it in the long run.
Se bronco. doing skids. He is on a 16" pitboss now. Handbrake Skids for days.
www.sherco.com.au/news-8894/sherco-launches-eb12-and-eb16-electric-balance-bikes
Also I'll be upgrading to a carbon seatpost.
What do real bikes cost in the future now? Like $12000?!?! Oh wait.........
SMH
slow clap Specialized.
sloooooow clap.
vitusbikes.com/products/nippy-balance-bike
Even after this product release, I feel pretty good about that life choice .
Three boys = 1 Commencal balance bike and two Spawn pedal bikes so far.
Specialized: Check out this $1,000 kid's bike made from carbon that they will outgrow in a year but won't biodegrade for thousands of years.
Am I too late? that's already been posted several times right?
But this is still pretty sick.
This should have been released in October
You can get a carbon frame almost like this for $100 factory-direct.
Add sweet prismatic paint: $20
Open a mold for carbon rims: $2000
Make a pair of carbon rims of that size: $150
Add all the other bits: $100
And then add in a discount for ordering 100 of those, probably looking at $300/bike. So they're probably making 50% at least before retailer margins.
So I guess just because you're the only one to offer it you can charge $999, but they're making a fortune on every sale.
www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=12+carbon+balance+bike+wheels
I mean how much different is this from a $700 aluminum 16" kids bikes or $3000 full suspension 24" kids bikes? Or a $25,000 titanium bike? Or a $14,000 road bike? Or a $14,000 e-MTB?
I mean if we're going to stop buying bikes by a company because they make something outlandish we'd pretty much be out of bike companies. I mean unless you want to buy a hyper that doesn't exist... or a huffy?
www.specialized.com/us/en/shop/bikes/c/bikes#/filter:wheelsize:27.5/sort:ss_price:asc
Carbon stumpjumper
No in between. Nothing in a size xs worth considering. Meanwhile giant and trek have loads of options for kids, not to mention the smaller brands. Big S has nothing.
The last grom bike was a 24" that could fit 26, but was still made for 4' tall to 4'6" riders. And that was 5 years ago.
Specialized didn’t hit enough buttons for kids bikes for me. Maybe this is a sign they’re going to change that?