Saracen has passed through a number of life cycles over the decades, but its current incarnation is shaping up to be one of the better British brands. Saracen developed the carbon Myst in conjunction with the Madison/Saracen team with only one goal in mind, and that was achieved at the 2014, World Championships. The Myst chassis proudly wears rainbows, thanks to Manon Carpenter's stellar performance in Hafjell. For 2017, Saracen will offer a no-expense-spared, identical version of the team's race-bikes, painted in the colors that the team will be flying on the World Cup circuit next season. Only 50 will be produced, with an MSRP of £5,299. If you miss out, the production Myst Pro sells for £3399.
Details:• Intended use: Downhill
• Rear wheel travel: 203mm
• Full Toray UD Carbon frame and linkage
• Fox 40 Factory, Fit Damper
• Fox DHX2 Factory, SLS Spring
• Full Shimano Saint and Pro build kit
• Wheel size: 27.5''
• Integrated fork bump stops
• Internal cable routing
• ISCG 05 chain guide tabs
• Raw carbon, red and fluoro yellow finish
• Weight: 16.07 kgs / 35.06lbs (XL, tubeless)
• MSRP: £5,299
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@SaracenBikes Construction and GeometryThe Myst is available in three sizes, starting in medium and working up to X-large, which is the frame size piloted by the very tall, Matt Simmonds. Reach numbers are 420, 445, and 465mm accordingly, and the bikes are supplied with Saracen's own reach-adjustment headset cups, which allow riders to add an extra 5mm to the cockpit, or reduce it by the same amount. One of the three sizes available should suit most riders. Unlike some DH bikes, the stack height stays exactly the same in every size. The Myst's other useful numbers are a 437mm chainstay, 1.5mm bottom bracket rise, and the wheelbase for my XL size bike with the standard headset cups installed was 1268mm.
The frame is finished with fork bump stops that double as cable entry ports into the downtube, as well as internal routing through the swingarm. The brushed aluminum head tube badge is a nice touch and a molded chainstay protector keeps things quiet.
SuspensionSaracen has paired the Myst's 203mm-stroke Fox 40 fork with exactly the same amount of travel at the rear axle. The rear suspension features a classic, single-pivot-swingarm that drives a two-piece carbon linkage to achieve the optimum shock and spring rates. Note in the following video that the chain length remains consistent as the suspension cycles through its travel.
BuildThe replica Myst uses all of the same components as the race team: top of the line Fox suspension, Shimano Saint drivetrain and brakes, with Pro components for the cockpit, a Gamut chain guide, and DT-Swiss FR570 wheels.
Air-sprung Fox Factory 40 fork and Float DHX2 RVS shock.Specifications
Specifications
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Release Date
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Autumn 2017 |
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Price
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$5299 |
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Travel |
203mm |
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Rear Shock |
FOX DHX2 Factory / Kashima, SLS Spring |
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Fork |
FOX 40 Factory, 203MM, FIT Damper |
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Headset |
Saracen off-set, 0mm, +-5mm, +8mm |
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Cassette |
Shimano HG500, 10x speed, 11-25T |
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Crankarms |
Shimano Saint M825,Shimano Saint M825, 36T, 165MM |
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Chainguide |
Gamut P30S |
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Bottom Bracket |
Shimano SM-BB80 |
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Chain |
Shimano HG54 |
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Rear Derailleur |
Shimano Saint M820 Shadow Plus |
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Shifter Pods |
Shimano Saint M820 Rapidfire Plus 1X10 |
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Handlebar |
PRO DH 7050 DB, 800MM, 20MM Rise, 5º Up, 9º Back |
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Stem |
PRO DH, 50MM, DM, 0º Rise, 31.8MM |
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Grips |
Saracen Lock-on |
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Brakes |
Shimano M820 203/203MM |
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Hubs |
Shimano Saint M820 32H Front / Shimano Saint M825 32H Rear |
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Spokes |
Double-Butted Stainless Steel |
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Rim |
DT Swiss FR570, 27.5" 32H |
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Tires |
Maxxis HighRoller II, 42A ST, 2.4" |
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Seat |
PRO DH Custom |
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Seatpost |
PRO DH Custom / 30.9MM |
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Three Questions With Simon Wild: Saracen Product ManagerPaul Aston: What do you think are the advantages and disadvantages of a single pivot suspension design? Simon Wild: A single-pivot simplifies the build of the bike and keeps it stiff. We use the linkages to drive the shock and achieve the desired spring curve and subsequent performance of the suspension. It’s also something that is easier to maintain - important for your average racer that doesn’t have a full factory mechanic preparing bikes for every race run. For us, our preference is single pivot.
Aston: Did you really feel the need to move to a carbon chassis for performance reasons, or was it purely to suit the market demand? Wild: We went down the performance route, although there is a market demand. Manufacturing complex shapes in carbon is easier than in traditional alloy. It gave us the opportunity to move the shock lower in the frame, while still having the capacity to run larger-volume air shocks. We saved weight, almost 500 grams on the large frame, but engineered the stiffness to be the same as the alloy frame. It was already incredibly stiff and broke a set of test-rig forks during initial stiffness testing. To build a bike at the pinnacle of the sport, carbon gave us the blueprint we needed.
Aston: How much feedback did the team riders give? What was their main focus point to improve the performance of the Myst? Wild: It’s a development process that has been driven by the team since its first season as a full alloy bike. We went through three versions of the linkages to get the optimum suspension performance, on a curve that works well with basic rear shocks and advanced shocks like the DHX2. We opened the carbon rear triangle just after we switched to the 27.5-inch-wheel format. We spent two full race seasons testing team ideas on geometry, and backing that up with computer analysis and machine testing before we started work on the carbon front triangle. We lowered the center of gravity, mainly by moving the shock lower in the frame – this had its own challenges, with the introduction of large air shocks. The adjustable front center was also part of the team's request to fine tune the bike for different courses. The team has been pivotal in the design of this bike.
The Myst feels superb to ride, it's quiet (except the rattling Saint brake pads, see below) and feels solid at your feet. The sizing was spot-on for me, I rode the XL frame with the +5mm headset cups, just the right amount of space and stability in the cockpit – it's great for a tall rider like me to see a brand investing in an XL carbon mold, which isn't always an option. The carbon frame is stiff and precise at the center with no harsh feelings, with superb traction on off-camber roots and bumps.
Poised in the air and poised on the steep, it was easy to find a balance on the Myst. It's clear that this bike has been developed closely with riders and engineers together. A tribute to Saracen and Fox - the rear suspension performed well with the low-speed rebound and compression adjustments turned all the way in (I discovered that the 3mm screws were seized). Until they were fixed, I found that I could arrive at a proper feel using only the high-speed dials..
The Myst has a high level of anti-rise/brake squat which initially deters people as
'the suspension locks up through bumps' which is partially true. But, after doing numerous back to back runs this summer against a Canyon Sender, which has a much more neutral braking characteristic that should allow the suspension to work efficiently when pulling the levers, I decided I prefer more brake squat.
Why? I believe that it settles the bike down when braking in steep sections and preserves the dynamic geometry, after a few weeks on the Myst and practicing braking technique, I found myself using the back brake naturally to sit the bike down before berms, and to change my weight balance for flat corners and long off-cambers. I also feel that the squat drives the back wheel into the ground, creating more grip when braking compared to a neutral set up.
But, that also means that the suspension can't move as easily. Riding the Myst, I learned not to brake on larger bumps - get out of them, brake before them, after them, whatever - and if you can do that, you won't be moaning on about single-pivot swingarms not working under braking.
Technical Report
• Throttle Grip - Saracen's own brand lock on grips were soft and comfortable in the hand, but the cut outs on the plastic sheath under the rubber allowed too much flex for my liking, almost a like having double moto throttles. They were quickly swapped out with something more sturdy.
• Gamut Guide - The Gamut guide was stellar for weeks and weeks in all conditions, and I like the extra safety of an all 'round bash guard. Although I did have one freak chain loss that was tough to pull the chain back from between the ring and guide.
• Frame Hardware - None of the hardware for the Myst rear axle or shock mounts are bonded into the carbon. Probably a good thing if your ham-fisted like me and like to cross threads, but it did become a little frustrating dropping the bolt receiving hardware every time I removed the wheel or shock.
• Pro Post - I really, really liked Shimano Pro seatpost clamp. The design uses one 5mm hex bolt that doesn't fall out when undone, the spring-loaded clamps open to allow the saddle rails to slot in and out. Probably the most simple, user-friendly post I have found.
• Maxxis DH tires - I assumed all tires with a full downhill casing were tubeless ready, but they're not. The Maxxis High Rollers continually leaked air and sealant through their sidewalls. The HR is a classic performer in soft conditions, but I spent a lot of time on the Myst riding dry hardpack, where I found switching to Minion DHR2 front and rear more confidence inspiring, with more support on the side knobs and improved cornering grip. For mud conditions, I always use Schwalbe's Magic Marys.
• Saint Brakes - Superb brakes, tons of power and great lever feel. My only issue was the Ice-Tec pads rattled incessantly inside the caliper.
Pinkbike's Take: | Saracen's Myst Team Carbon is a racing throughbred - lightweight, stiff and superbly spec'ed. This is an off-the-peg machine that will take you as far as your potential, on any race track. - Paul Aston |
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About the ReviewerStats: Age: 30 • Height: 6'1” • Ape Index: +4" • Weight: 73kg • Industry affiliations / sponsors: None • Instagram: astonatorPaul Aston is a racer and dirt-jumper at heart. Previously adding to the list of non-qualifiers at World Cup DH events, now he's attacking Enduro and has been since before it was fashionable. Based in the UK, but often found residing between mainland Europe and New Zealand allows him to experience a huge variety of terrains and trails.
wait are we still talking about mountain biking?
What a transformation from that to this! Good Job Saracen!
www.preownedcycles.co.uk/images/listings/full_size/2012/08/366.jpg for reference.
Don't agree about honesty in online media compared to magazines though, what examples makes you form your opinion? Id almost say the opposite is true?
The print mags in the UK at least - MBUK, What MTB,, MBR, and (formerly) Dirt - regularly publish really critical reviews, often comparing products directly to their competitors, and some hand out star ratings which often are unambiguously damning about products which aren't up to scratch (e.g Rockshox' RS-1 receiving a 2-star review in MBUK) . I would suggest it's much rarer to see this kind of tough criticism online.
Just my two cents.
Personally I don't believe these magazines censor their articles to favor their advertisers, especially the bigger magazines. People will read them anyway. PB would probably survive on a few months without SRAM, but it is SRAM who might get nervous if PB visitors get exposed to X Fusion, Suntour and Manitou suspension ads but not to RockShox.
And they're not all positive at all, have you read the carbon Wilson review? Polygon? Intense m16? They're all pretty negative. You don't really see that on any other website.
When you're talking about magazine censoring are you referring to online mags or paper mags?
The most amount of shit ever written in one paragraph.
I found that with more brake squat it preserves the geometry in its current dynamic state. When you brake, your body weight will stay closer to the center of the bike (if you set the bike up to balance body weight evenly between the wheels) keeping more weight on the back wheel hence more grip.
With a neutral setup, body weight moves more onto the front wheel when the brakes are applied, leaving less weight on the back wheel hence less grip even though the suspension is free to move. Of course, this could be helped by biasing the suspension rates, but I like to keep a good balance between the wheels.
To test this, I did back to back runs in Morzine against the Canyon Sender with an identical fork setup, bar height and similarly sized frames.
Nice to see the progression!!
What dies this mean?
Brake squat by definition _does not_ drive the back wheel into the ground.
Haven't seen any reviews out on them yet
The only Solution is buying the older pads for Saint BR-M810 (compatibility issue free). From my experience they are also more powerfull.
In my experience, it comes down to feel. I've done park laps on enduro bikes from a bunch of different brands. None of them allowed me to have the confidence to let go of the brakes and let it all hang out, boost the f*ck out of everything in my path, and generally have a blast. Furthermore, I tested out a few new DH bikes that were utterly mind-blowing in their ability to instill confidence and allow me to go faster and bigger than I would normally on my own DH bike. It's scary how good some of the new DH bikes are.
If you want to make statements about what's possible... sure, you could ride any trail at Whistler (or wherever else) on an enduro bike. I'd counter that by saying that I could ride almost every trail I've ever ridden on my DH bike on my rigid 29er. However, I'd be REALLY slow, have a lot less fun, and would probably crash once or twice. Yes, it's possible, but that doesn't mean it's not a stupid idea.
To close: look at World Cup DH, The Fest Series, Hardline, and Rampage. Do you see a single one of these riders on anything other than a full-blown DH bike? No. You do not. These riders get paid to win, and no one is going to handicap themselves for the sake of marketing by showing up on an enduro bike.
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I'll just leave this here.
I ride downhill. Never ridden enduro. I was stating a marketing fact.