Rose Bikes Cancels All UK Orders, Citing Brexit
BikeRadar reported today that Rose Bikes will be cancelling all UK orders, citing Brexit, and will no longer ship any orders to the UK, including those for parts and accessories.
In September, Germany’s Rose Bikes announced it will stop selling bikes in the UK market due to laws dictating which side brake levers must be fitted on complete bikes, but now if you visit the UK Rose Bikes website from the UK, the below pop-up appears explaining that no orders will be fulfilled for parts and accessories either.
 | Dear Customer, Due to the Brexit and the withdrawal from the EU domestic market without an Free Trade Agreement from then 01.01.2021, we can no longer fulfill any orders from the UK. Already ordered goods, that can be shipped until 20.12.2020 will be send out. Orders that can not be shipped until this date will be cancelled. If your goods cannot be shipped, our customer support will contact you via E-Mail. Unfortunately we feel compelled to not fulfill UK orders currently, we hope to be able to ship to our UK customers soon again. Thank you very much fr understanding and for your loyalty and support. |
This means that current owners of Rose bikes in the UK are not currently able to purchase spare parts for their bikes, such as derailleur hangers.
We've reached out to Rose Bikes for further comment.
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I guess they are still responsible for the entire process to get the package in your mailbox. I also guess that because of the current situation it’s not worth the risk for them.
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Give it six months (or longer) for whatever our border rules are going to be and they might come back, or they might be first out the door and we end up like the US with several of the Euro direct brands not available.
Like @bat-fastard said it will be like this for weeks or months now.
(2) Customs ‘forms’ are not much of a pain and are not hand written anymore, using the right service (even Royal Mail do this) it is almost completely automated so long as you set things up correctly - it’s already done to the USA, Canada, Aus etc when sending from the UK.
(3) Cant argue with that, though will be short lived pain as most items are air-freight and delays won’t last beyond a month or so being realistic (road freight who knows though)
(4) That’s up to the customer to organise the return, but again it will only be more difficult, not impossible and no extra work for the seller being realistic.
I am a completely staunch remainer by the way but part of a small business selling into the EU, we have no intention of throwing in the towel and will weather the initial disruption before the inevitable return to a workable, albeit comparably much worse reality.
I guess with Rose they just don't think it's worth it for the business they already have. Adding an extra 16% or whatever may just turn their 18 monthly orders into 3 which is not worth bothering with.
10 days away and nobody can tell you the tariff or requirements. Until those are known, unless you can eat the potential cost then it makes sense to pause trading.
@justanotherusername: regards customs forms, remember this has been the case between US/CAN/UK for years but is brand new between EU/UK, so on top of the hassle of the forms the processes and infrastructure aren't there at the moment.
And then there will be two charges added when it enters the UK. Customs duty and import tax maybe. I forget. Totally understandable.
I would have expected German price minus 20% and then that 20% plus duties added on when it comes in. It won't make any difference to the price, but why would VAT be paid in Germany?
before if we get a deal - ‘free trade’ or WTO in which case a tariff as specified and easily searched for and identified, not a mystery.
Again there are no ‘forms’ anymore, we ship to around the world, all customs raised digitally from template, it takes literally seconds, printed and applied with the address to each parcel.
Of course the infrastructure issue will be real, there will be delays etc but it will become workable if required, just like shipping to the USA now - which is a piece of piss.
I sincerely hope there is a deal though, as the delays and reduced sales due to uncertainty will be painful.
My understanding is the digital customs system does not have capacity for EU shipments at present, nor likely in time for Jan 1st.
Should be as you mention, we don’t charge the EU vat any longer and they don’t charge us, it’s all dealt with upon import including import duty but that may be a non issue in the event of a deal, fingers crossed.
We ship items under £100 direct to consumer, if they insist on manually checking every item and billing the customer they will effectively destroy their own services so rather counter productive - there must be a solution or both parties see screwed.
Every cloud has a silver lining. The glass is half full. At least now the cost of fish and chips has to fall right? That's a positive.
It is possible that they have some simplifying process due to their UK business, (maybe that’s why they opened the uk shop)
I can’t help but to retain a little bit of optimism that our government won’t just throw us under the bus entirely and nuke an already smashed economy and will come to some form of free trade deal.
You can look forward to this dominating discussion for years to come until the relationship becomes more settled.
It's done, stop whingeing about it is somewhat dismissive of all the businesses, livelihoods and dreams which are going to be destroyed. We'll revisit this next year when unemployment has shot up if you like.
Also - about 85% of the cod we eat comes from EU waters (Iceland/Norway) and 76% of UK potatoes are imported from the EU, so you can expect the cost of fish and chips to rise.
I wish all the crybabies would just get over it. It's like, half the population is in favour of it. The way they all go on with the moral superiority does my head in. It's almost like there is a belief that Brexit was unarguably the wrong move for all people and those who disagree are idiots who are too dumb to make their own mind up about anything important. Group think at its finest.
As far as it goes I'm not really bothered either way. I sell toilets, and people are still going to need toilets after Brexit. I believe my job is safe. It's nothing I can't handle. It may not be ideal for all people but we need to move on.
@all the crybabies - get over it for your own sakes!
The brexiteers certainly didn't, they've been banging on about this for 40 years in order to get this result. Half the population were in favour of it 4 years ago yes, when it was sold as a dream. It's very rare in politics for a decision to be one way and irreversible though, which is partly why so many are incensed about this one. Most of the time you get the opportunity to kick them out in 5 years time, this one is for life or at least foe the foreseeable.
@jaame: do you mind if I ask what you do for work?
Because democracy.....?
You pay the VAT based on invoice date. You pay import duties based on when it enters the country. So if you order now you would have to pay german VAT now and British VAT too if it arrives after 31dec. That’s a big issue!
Because I just did
Can you not get that......?
Then don't blame the people who voted leave blame the people who didn't vote.
people who didn't vote don't care or couldn't decide either way which is kind of a valid place to be also unless you want to force a vote at gun point to everyone.
But
Would the Gov have adhered to the result? when their billionaire backers wanted a leave to turn the UK into a tax haven anyway?
So how is 1/3rd of a populace a majority? But again none of that matters when a referendum is just a gauge of public opinion not a legally binding election
The Gov left the EU because they wanted to NOT because of public opinion. The result of the referendum is a propaganda tool.
So in reference to my above comment about only (a tiny minority of) 1/3 of the populace wanting this....
Yay democracy¿¿¿
You won’t need to pay VAT twice though - the invoice date doesn’t change and therefore VAT is already paid, no need to pay again in the UK just because point of entry is after Brexit.
It’s the people pulling the strings you should blame, not people asked to vote on an immensely complicated subject simplified info strap lines and slogans - the simple case is the public didn’t have the knowledge to vote on such a subject, I would argue they still don’t in reality.
The blame isn’t on people who voted leave, remain or didn’t vote at all, it’s on that blonde haired buffoon, Farage, the shady backers with their millions and the psychopaths that still occupy the Tory back benches.
And this is where we know you are a part of the new religious cult of woke - "most where racist crackpots"
Elections are a bit different to this as you get another shot in a few years, at least for this kind of permanent change I think a super major makes sense.
I have two problems with a super majority though I do see it has merit.
1. Re doing a single topic multiple times is costly
2. lobbying by both sides can and will descend into pathetic chaos of constantly moving goal posts. at the end of the day nothing will ever change. Like brexit or not (i'm impartial as Im not a brit though I did live there during - no I didn't vote) it was used as a tool for change, and there are many western countries that have an ever growing populace (myself included) that feel politically homeless as very little real change ever happens.
I agree about the super majority. 51-49 is too close for such an important issue. That was a chump move.
I agree about the "Most were racist crackpots" comment being pretty ill-judged. Not exactly the way to convince people you are presenting a balanced argument.
I don't think the current government went into proceedings ever expecting the EU to drive this hard of a bargain. The fact that it's happening is throwing something of a spanner in the works. Clearly the Eurocrats don't want any other members getting any ideas, hence why they are trying to make an example of the UK. It's all very authoritarian. You will do as we wish, or you will pay dearly. I don't like it myself. I think it stinks to be honest. They should be trying to improve their product to make us want to stay. Why was there a referendum in the first place? Because the UK had some grievances with how the EU was run. If they ran it in a way we liked, no one would have wanted to leave.
I have on the other hand had Many conversations with pro brexit voters online and face to face, some within my own friends and family, an the fact that Immigration was an is a major factor in both the 'I'm not racist but' an the flat out racist mentality was prevelent in ALL.
you keep mentioning the word election when the referendum was not an election but a referendum... ?
where do I call majority, I leave that to the people more qualified than me but I certainly dont call a percentage 1.something a Majority an I certainly don't call 1/3 a majority.
SO, please continue to debate against the fact that 1/3 will never be bigger than 2/3 an even still that In a NON LEGALLY BINDING GAUGE of public opionion. The UK gov did what they wanted to an continue to use the REFEREDUM result as a propaganda tool
Fingers X'ed they'e right an the economic experts an leaders of buisness an industry where wrong in "project fear" But with major manufacturers like Nissan an now Toyota among many others planning to leave the UK
Not looking good is it?
I can see your angle on the 1/3 thing but I think the point is it's a representative vote. If everyone was forced to vote, so the thinking goes, the result would have been the same.
Maybe, maybe not. We will never know. Definitely a chump move to ever have the idea that a percent is enough of a difference to make such a sweeping change.
Whoa calm your triggered farm bruh.
You know all these racists - you keep some awful company.
" Honestly how can tell me that most of the leave voters didnt have immigration as the key factor in thier vote"
Yet you claim to have some knowledge of the opposite. Oh thats right everyone you know is a racist. very strange.
lol so anyone that didn't vote is included in the remain vote for you. lol.
Keep trying to build a strawman of me saying the referendum was anything but. You need something to burn down.
It's all just prdudice man
Bruh
"none of your replies make any sense
Bruh"
Not my problem if you can't read.
The problem about Brexit was there shouldn't have been a referendum in the first place. It was a terrible idea and will be a major bump in the road - but a bump nonetheless. Total political misstep.
There's a roaring trade of packet centres just over the border in France and Germany as the limit is higher when you physically bring it over the border yourself (and some naughty people forget to declare at all).
On Jan 1st - regardless of if there is a deal or not the customer will no longer pay VAT to the selling party, e.g. the customer will not pay YT any VAT upon purchase, it will be VAT free at point of sale. The customer will then pay VAT upon import into the UK.
So from Jan 1st you will be able to buy an item from Chain Reaction for example and UK VAT will not be charged - you will pay VAT upon import if you are in the EU and a customs duty if there is a no deal.
Essentially, purchasing from the UK when inside the EU will be the same as if purchasing from the USA for VAT application.
Under VAT it's stated that a company can pay VAT in the country of origin or country of consumer depending on the total ammount of distance sales (without VAT included). YT probably sells more than 100 bikes a year to UK so they have to pay VAT there. Now the only difference for UK buyers will be that they will have to pay additional import fees. For CRC it's the same but in reverse.
I wasn't speaking about import tax/fee if you thought that only where VAT is payed in EU considering online purchases.
I can absolutely guarantee you moving forward we will not charge anyone from the EU VAT at time of purchase and that they will pay VAT at time of import - If there are mechanisms whereby the seller can pre pay this who knows but unlikely.
My source - our accountant and 10 years experience selling into the USA, a third country which is the same as the UK will become after Jan 1st
System has been in place for years. Mountain Guides were in the first tranche of established professions to have a European Professional Card - that’s all gone now.
Not much help if you've started building a life in Italy or France though, learned the language, developed a knowledge of the mountains there, built networks and relationships etc. Let alone if you've invested in a business.
Brilliant if you're 23 and can sack it all off and move to a different place to start over but that won't be everyone.
If we'd lost Euro rights and gained them elsewhere then fair enough, but that's not the situation.
On another note I've just gone to order off of bike-discount and see they have removed the UK as a delivery option. :/
For someone like me who can't get rid of the itchy feet, that ability to just pack up and try somewhere new would be a gift. Travelling is all well and good, but being able to support oneself in another place is a whole different kettle of fish, and one that I am very envious of in this case. Sure you can always get a visa if you want it bad enough, but it would be nice not to have to. Argentina? Yeah let's give it a go. Not for me? Try somewhere else and not have to worry about the hoops jumped, and the money spent on the visa process.
Do you know in the Philippines there are five year old kids who have to go to work sifting through garbage dumps to find scrap metal to sell. They don't go to school if they can't pay. In over 100 countries in the world people drink water that they collect in buckets. In some places it's illegal to be gay.
2021 in the UK might be a little bit worse than it was in 2019 but you're still lucky to be here.
Why not try to be thankful for what you have, rather than bitter about what you don't?
That's free advice. It's no skin off my nose if you keep telling yourself you're hard done by but it certainly isn't healthy for you.
You can't have everything.
Here we have the president telling the military to kill citizens on Jan 6th so he can stay in power.
Calling people boot lickers is so played.
It's open season on liberals?
Do I need to buy a tag, or is there no limit on how many you can bag?
What's your address?
You'd be surprised. Despite the whole 'neutral thing', Switzerland decides almost everything with referendums. If you can get a certain amount of signatures within a certain amount of time, you can put anything up for a vote. Of course it does require people to get involved in the subjects and try to do a bit of research on their own before they vote.
What is perplexing is that people voted for the ass-clown. And think the election was stolen.
Of course if your OK with him forgoing focusing on distributing the vaccine to run interference for the Russian hack...you might be ok with that.
So one should let experts make these decisions (politicians often ain't better, I know)
My assumption is Rose Bikes has minimal exports to the UK and couldn't be bothered with it.
I still put in my CRC order, and I'm sure they'll find a way to ship it to me.
As far as people not knowing what they were getting into, I think they did know and thought it was worth it.
You can't put a price on freedom. For some people, everything else is secondary. This isn't necessarily my view, but I am intelligent enough to understand that there is no binary truth on whether Brexit was a good idea or not. I totally get it if someone thinks being poorer, having higher costs of living and more ballache when going on holiday, probably rising unployment, property prices falling and the potential stick we will receive from foreigners, insinuating we are all racist etc.
For some, it's worth it. To each their own I guess.
They will be happy to supply here, it’s the British customer that may be upset by the 10% hike in price.
But after over four years it seems that it’s going to cost us billions in economic damage and extra admin.
We also need the supply chain for our car industry. The problem there is it’s JIT manufacturing which crosses the UK/EU border often multiple times. Add the delays, duty and admin costs to that and the UK factory is no longer price competitive and will have to be replaced by one in the EU.
Imagine if the UK was demanding the same access to the US without the obligations, I'm sure most US citizens would be up in arms.
We'll still sell to each other of course, but with supply chains as integrated as ours, how we go about that and what friction is in the system really matters.
That of course is true, they mostly (some will I’m sure) won’t stop trading with us, the issue is as you say - friction and that we may have to pay more for goods that will take longer to arrive.
For some, it's worth it. To each their own I guess.
Do you really think if they put that on the side of a bus people would’ve voted leave ? Getagrip
Being an expert or a (insert profession here) or (insert IQ level here) does not make one a moral person.
Such a big decision should need a bigger majority that 2% . If I was in charge I would’ve made it compulsory to vote , with a majority or at least 10% and then you would have a proper mandate !
Compulsory voting isn't better. many people are un interested or too absorbed in something else (ei busy with what ever their life's bucket full of shit has for them) to make an informed decision.
Australia has compulsory voting. I giggled as I watched an immunologist choose her voting preferences for federal election based on a candidate having the same hair colour. I believe you will have even less of an idea of what the populace wants when you force them to decide. Some will make just toss a coin, some will use some arbitrary and unrelated decision method (hair colour) some will just do what ever their mum, best friend or neighbours uncles fiancé's father's lawyer said to do.
The people not voting fall into two major categories - 1. Have decided that both sides are dumpster fires and would rather not participate. 2 don't even care enough to read anything that would inform them one way or another.
People who volunteer their vote have at least establish an narrative within themselves that they feel is important enough to make their way to a polling booth. And don't think that forcing them with the long dick of the law will make them decide to be more informed. Most Australians are politically apathetic.
Anyway boris doesn’t want brexit , he just went down that road cos it was the best way for his career . Now he’s got to juggle the hard brexit mps with the realistic chance of a deal and it’s no easy !
I see merit to both sides of the supermajority picture.
my concern with the supermajority is it leaves very little room for anything to ever really change. And ad what point is a supermajority no longer a majority? While certainly making a choice based on a 50.01% isn't a perfect idea, ignoring that 50.01% isn't a responsible choice either.
As far as 50:50 splits being a disaster. I think that is not the fault of the election outcomes but a wider social issue. The rise of social media has created echo chambers. People surround themselves with like minded people and the anonymity afforded to them by the internet mean people are saying absolutely horrible thing about there political opponents that they would not say to their faces. People don't like or can't handle being opposed anymore. Not agreeing on issues is no longer acceptable especially if you are to be friends.
I think it's splitting hairs to differentiate, your response is part and parcel of how you treat someone with a differing opinion.
IMO it's part of the politics of making a deal and a skillful play to apply pressure.
Testing lorry drivers 72 hours before crossing a border does not insure against cross border virus transmission but on the face of it seems like a defensible measure.
But the brexiteers have cunningly latched brexit on to culture war issues
It means that no matter how much damage brexit does to the country, many will still support it.
The simple fact of brexit is that it puts up trade barriers to our nearest and by far biggest trading partner
It makes no logical sense whatsoever, but millions still believe in it.
Everybody's happy...
...but they'd still find something to moan about!
www.statista.com/statistics/520954/brexit-votes-by-age
When you are fifty the people half your age will call you lucky and a thief because they don't have what you have.
When my mother was a young girl in the 1930s she said, in the centre of Sydney, that there was so much smoke from trains and factories that you couldn't see the sky. I have seen Sydney Harbour and the Northern Beaches go from polluted to much cleaner in twenty years. You'll just keep whinging because it's always someone else's fault.
Most people dont relize that having a publicly funded police force, medical treatment, armies and alike is form of socialism.
And the youth of Australia should feel disaffected. The baby boomer voting block has skewed the tax and investment laws massively in there favour. The most selfish generation in our modern history. But like brexit, Trump and our long serving Tory party elections success. All the blame rests at the feet of one man... RUPERT MURDOCH. The person that control the news, controls the people.
The inter web, has given us Pinkbike, and the accessibility to fresh ideas. The futures looking UP
"Most people dont relize that having a publicly funded police force, medical treatment, armies and alike is form of socialism."
Imagine if no one had ever heard of such thing as mixed economies. Police, medicine etc isn't a sign of socialism, its a sign of the existence of organised leadership structures (commonly known as government).
And laying blame of all your problems at the feet of one person - Sounds like the words of a stable person...
Not sure about that, you should come visit at some point.
I also blame older people for brexit, but just for balance, I think younger people listen to shit music.
The English have screwed the Scots.
It's a fact the England voted to leave and Scotland to remain.
That being said, (I voted to remain) let's just get out and see what happens.
Vote to get back in in a few years....
Scotland wan't to leave the UK? Noooo "stronger together"
Billionares wan't the UK to leave the EU? yeah FK that union
:'D
I'm tending more towards "temporary insane" or "blinded by the lies of a demagoge with malicious, egoistic intent".
Nippy wans to leave the UK and therefore the EU.
Scotland doesnt meet the criteria to apply to rejoin by some margin with Barnet, no tariffs with the shire etc.
So... vote independence = vote to leave the EU.
Many of the same people voted to remain in the EU and blame England blue rinsers for leaving.
Some logic is broken. Must sit in the indeterminate state. These guys are the 1.4V CMOS brigade. Haha.
I applaud your positivity though. Not many people share your sentiment of let's get out there and see what happens. I am of the same mind. It would have been nicer to have stayed in. Now that decision is in the past we should look to the future. The most annoying thing for me on a personal level is that I was out of the country and so I was going to have to register to vote... And I was going to vote remain. The media lied to me and told me that remain was going to win 60-40. It won't even be close, they said. I therefore thought bolocks to it, I can't be bothered to register - my vote won't make any difference anyway and then boom - the result was out on the day I flew back in for my summer holiday. The silver lining was that the pound instantly lost about 20% of its value. That was a good holiday for spendos!
I tell thee one thing. If I could afford to send my kids to a private school I would not be living here. I mean, why would someone choose to live somewhere with such shitty weather most of the time? In summer it's very nice here but summer is so short. Heating in the houses... Just awful to have to pay to stay warm in your own home.
It's really no surprise that rich people move away.
Celebrate diversity yo - if everyone was rich we'd all be the same and that wouldn't be any fun.
"You only voted leave because you're a disgusting racist scumbag who hates foreigners and immigration. People like you don't deserve a vote - you're an embarassment to yourself and to all of us. You should be ashamed of yourself - you and all the other old people who f*cked us. Celebrate diversity FFS."
Unfortunately the only bipartisan issue is that the time for reasonable dialogue and rational negotiation is coming to an end.
In response to the Rose press release, Pole Bicycles increases order availability!
Fine print:
(Orders will not be fulfilled and customer service will still not be provided)
I'm currently dealing with a constant battery drain which is either the radio or the alarm. New battery and it's dead in 3-4 days.
I thought the PSA HDi engines were OK though, Toyota and Ford are using them so I was hoping that was a good sign. It's a shame as Peugeot diesels once had a good reputation.
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I did the less scientific thing of measuring battery voltage 30 mins after a long run, pulling the alarm/radio fuse on a hunch and waiting 3 days, the voltage was only slightly lower whereas with that fuse in place the battery gets drained to under 6V in 4 days.
I've now disconnected the radio and replaced the fuse, hoping it is the radio as I can wire a manual switch in to the constant power supply and live with radio memory loss. If it's the alarm I'm not so sure what the remedy will be.
Some European functions are returning to the UK as we speak also.
Supply chain is being hit by COVID and natural disasters significantly more than BREXIT.
It's an R&D nightmare out there just now. Or is that a purchasing ans supply chain nightmare passed on to those of us in R&D and product support...
A) all the delivery companies have stopped shipping to the UK. Informally before the covid restrictions, but now it's official
B) the custom duties are uncertain because the deal hasn't been settled yet. Which mean you end up with WTO tariffs or not, and Rose figures it's too much hassle to deal with atm.
Rose Bikes Cancels All Plague Island Orders, Citing Brexit
Once the dust settles they'll all be selling to the UK but I doubt once all the extra costs are added it'll be worth going to them instead of CRC/Wiggle
I've just looked at all the German retailers and none of them are shipping to the UK. Its easier for YT and Canyon to just add £200 to the cost of each bike than component retailers who operate on smaller margins
Their strategy is summed up nicely here www.wiggle.co.uk/h/option/taxstrategy
Cube was one of the few companies who's wait time was less , but that was six months ago when i checked .
I ordered a Nox e MTB ( a german/ austrian company ) last month and was told that it MIGHT be available in may.
I went with Nox because they are the only bike that offers the new german motor from Sachs micro mobility . The bike itself is not soo fantastic .
Maybe Rose bikes could call their LBS and get some tips.
Just a thought . . .
Cheers in adv.
WTO code for bicycles, if I am right is 14% duty, parts I believe much less, so a hanger will cost you a couple of quid more max.
If you have a 5 year warranty, I am sure they will honour it - rose are a very different company to Propain - business want to make money, why would they just pull out entirely if sales and money can still be made, after all we are not about to stop wanting bikes on the UK anytime soon, are we?
The uk seems to do OK with Nukeproof, whyte etc, they are Taiwanese though.
UK made? I suppose we are left with a lot less ‘polish’ - the starlings and stantons are nice but pretty niche.
Or it could still have sth. to do with disrupted supply chains and ongoing, untypically high demand...
But, It's not just about stuff being shipped around the planet or even Global Warning,
which if you are denier of, I should really just stop here, but f*ck it, here goes.
It's more about the fact leaving Europe will have a worse effect on the UK economy than Covid 19.
It's the fact our gas and electric bills are going to seriously increase (we currently rely on the supply of 57% of it from Europe) It means thousands of British students miss out on being able to study in Europe without nightmare funding hoops tp jump through. It means when we travel to Europe we have to check each country's border paper work / rules / driving permits/ pet travel etc, oh and Euro Health cover is over too.
We have a proven, over promising, U turning, corrupt lying, racist, grifting, inept clown negotiating our way to a no deal Brexit.
The same great leader that has seen us have the worse Covid death rate in the world,
and the EU just shut their borders to us.
I promote live music from all over the world, leaving Europe and the negative effect that will have on acts touring either way is just culturally backward and moronic.
Right now I feel ashamed to be British mate, people were sold utter bollocks via a 95% right wing press where the BBC got their headlines from with lots off ho ho about bent bananas, awful spin about "taking back control' and the dumbos lapped it up. We now face economic upheaval and we end up with less control by not sitting negotiating at the table with 27 other like minded leaders of countries having a say on shit like the Paris climate change agreement, fighting terrorism, and the single market.
Worse of all globally I think we are now seen as a cluster f*ck of a joke.
Thank you for attending my Ted Talk....
Germany = a bunch of bunnies that haven't bothered anybody since 1945.
Who cares? I thought Rose bikes was British actually but maybe it's cause I love that song 'English Rose' by the Jam.
So this means they've got more to lose? No, because as you will know much of this trade is back and forth to do with manufacturing things like cars, eg. Car made in Dagenham from parts made across mainland EU countries. Problem with brexit is that any disruption to free trade area with massively impact this movement of goods. To the point where manufacturers will simply stop making cars in Dagenham, Sunderland or wherever as the tariff costs outweigh the costs of creating a new factory within the remaining EU countries.
"Save billions we give to the EU" it is true that membership costs each country but that cost is less than the trade it generates see above about free trade area and factories in many locations.
"Feed many children who's parents are struggling " come on now, the UK govt have just been forced to U turn on providing free school meals over winter
holidays at a cost of £60 million to the government by a campaign led by a footballer having spent £120 BILLION on a non existent track and trace system, £100 BILLION earmarked for "operation moonshot" (no me neither) and so on. Just today it was revealed another "company" recently registered on Isle of man (tax haven) has been paid £200 million of public money to provide PPE. This is not the first with several other high profile examples of clear corruption of the UK government and its covid response.
You can literally look all this up now.
There are many problems with the EU but everything is worse for those of us in the UK and that includes your hobbies. Best of luck to you, we are all going to need it.
Thanks for the mess Stuart (I’m British from and living in the UK btw) and great to see someone still spouting completely unrivalled jibberish.
There are 46 MEPs, at 240k each that’s £11m. Free school dinners for children from low income backgrounds costs about £20m a week.
So, you get half a week’s school dinners but you lose representation at a Parliament of Europe that serves to regulate - among other things - the free movement of bike parts among member states!
Unfortunately when we take back all of the administration that the EU currently does for us, if will cost a lot more than £11m. There are already over 18,000 new civil service roles.