Discontent has been brewing among the riders at the World Cups for a little while now. First and foremost on their list of grievances - rider safety. Brook Macdonald's crash at Mont-Sainte-Anne Worlds and his 5-hour evacuation put it at the front of many minds. Track features like the finish bridge in Andorra this year only served to keep these concerns current. There is a feeling in the paddock that the voices of those who are risking their lives for our enjoyment are not being listened to enough. While every rider who lines up at a World Cup understands the risks they are taking, none of them want to be forced into taking unnecessary risks, like racing on an unsafe track.
Changes are coming to World Cup racing next year. Discovery, one of the world's biggest media businesses, has
bought the rights to organise and stream the World Cup from 2023 for the next eight years. However, it is hard to get the party hats out yet as, aside from
a recently released calendar, there are few to no details released on how the series will look next year. That uncertainty put the push to have the riders' voices heard to the forefront, and during this season there have been a series of rider-organized meetings to try and organize a response.
After the World Championships in Les Gets, the riders held a vote and Emilie Siegenthaler and Neko Mullaly were elected the riders' representatives. We sat down with Emilie (Neko was due to join too, but needed to get stitches after a qualifying crash) to hear more about what the emerging riders' union is, who it represents and what they are hoping to achieve.
How did the riders decide that they want to have a collective voice?
I'm not really sure about that, maybe you should ask someone like Loic or Finn that question because I got involved at this point when they started thinking they need someone that is not a rider to represent them. There were a few meetings through the season, there was one in Andorra, which I went to for a listen, and there was one maybe before that as well. There was one more in Mont-Sainte-Anne and then they started to realize that we can't meet like this all the time - it was really costly in terms of time. We need to get organized and communicate clearly. But to answer your question, I think that as soon as the Discovery news came out at the beginning of the season, they started to think that maybe it would be good if there are changes to get together and try to have a united voice, which was never really the case before.
How did you decide who would vote on a given issue?
We decided that it is going to be the overall standings for the previous year that will decide it. So we don't have to change every time.
That makes sense, it's purely based on the classifications?
It was voted on that it would be the top 30 men, top ten women, and four wild cards voting - that's how they decided to try and make it easier and more efficient. For example, Aaron Gwin was not in the top 30 from last year. That is why he is one of the wild cards, and there are a few more. I have nothing to do with that decision because I'm not allowed to vote as I'm not a rider anymore. They wanted to get a survey system organized, but no one had the time to do it, you know? So before I was elected, I was like, "Okay, I'm going to do it for you guys." I organised the survey and I think because of this I was elected as the rep along with Neko. It's all a process. None of us did it before, and I'm just here to try to help with everything that the riders want to achieve, and on all the admin stuff as well. We want to make an agreement that people are going to sign to be part of this union. It's about having someone that can work, who does the reports and all the admin stuff, and who goes to the meetings with a neutral position.
So riders will sign up for the union?
Yeah, we’re working on an agreement now and it's kind of a rush. It was voted on to make a union contract so people can't flip when a vote has happened and the majority takes it. If it's a really important subject and it's not a big majority, we might have to reconsider, but usually, if an issue has more than 65% agreement, then it should be done.
How militant are the riders feeling at the moment, would you say?
The goal of this union is for the riders to have a voice and that they are asked about decisions that are going to be made next year. They feel like they've not been listened to enough in the past, especially for stuff that affects them directly, like safety. It's the organizers and UCI that decide everything. Riders have some feedback on the tracks, but they're not really considered for decision-making for prize money or anything. Downhill's prize money at the World Champs was split in two when e-bike was added to the program. No one asked anyone about this, and no one even knew before. They got the prize money back and they were like, "Oh, it's half of usual." Stuff like that, it shouldn't be decided for the riders without even telling them, today they have no way to say they don't agree with this. And a lot of things are going to happen next year, so yeah…
When you say about the tracks, all I can think about is that that finish ramp in Andorra.
Yeah, the bad thing with that situation is that people told them they should not to do it this way, and they still did it. Officials told them this is not a good idea, "Please do it differently." And the architects that designed these bridges, ignored everyone. If that sort of thing happens in the future, the riders could say, "Okay, if that's the case, we're not racing. You need to change this." And I'm pretty sure they will, pretty fast. Because one day, something really bad is going to happen and then they're going to change things. You almost saw this with Remy Meier-Smith going headfirst into the concrete on that bridge…
I didn't know that happened… Shit…
Yeah. He clipped a mat on the side of a mat that was not tied properly because, obviously, everyone was hitting it because that turn was horrible and that bridge was not made for riding. He got knocked out in his race run, and he's ok now, but a lot of things like that have happened over the years, and we can see it coming, but the riders don't feel like they have the power to make it stop. I think that was the motivation for Loic and Finn at the start. If the riders have a voice, and if the team managers get organized as well, and we get together as one, then I think ESO [the Enduro Sport Organisation, who run the Enduro World Series and are part-owed by Discovery], or whoever is going to be in charge next year, needs to work with both the riders and the managers to negotiate us. Because if they're going to change a big part of the sport, the riders and the teams are going to have to be asked on a few issues, because otherwise no one's going to be happy. We all want the sport to get better but it needs some changes and we need to have a voice because no one knows anything now, it's all rumours.
That was going to be my next question because I've been chasing Chris Ball for an interview since May. And last month I got a reply saying, "No, we're not talking to anyone at the moment." It's been six months now… I was curious how much more you know than me or do you have the same level of information?
For now, we haven't. I think that's the purpose of this interview, to try to make sure that people know that this union exists now, that it is going to be officialized with a collective agreement between the riders that are in it. And I represent all the riders that can be part of the World Cup. If someone has a problem who is not in the voting pool, they can still come to the riders' rep and I will still try to help them. To try to get the other entities that work within the community to get stuff done, or bring it to the voting pool and say, "Okay, someone spoke to me about this, what do you guys think?" But I guess concerning your question, I think ESO knows that this union exists and that me and Neko are reps, but they don't want to recognize it yet because our interests don't really align on some of the aspects. For us, it's important, that people know that this union exists and that we, the riders, want to be a part of the discussion. That's the main thing.
That's why I'm doing this, because I have no interest in me being Emilie Siegenthaler, union rep. It doesn't matter who it is actually, it's just because I have the time to do it because I'm not racing 100% like everyone else is. I have the time to put the work in through the winter. That's why I think the riders elected me and Neko. It all started from a safety point of view, the riders wanted to have a say in the safety aspects, but then this whole Discovery thing happened. An important meeting about next year happened on Tuesday, and the riders' union reps were not invited. Maybe it's because we didn't communicate on it yet because the vote only just happened. I think it was after Les Gets, so not a long time ago. The goal is to try and raise some attention to this, the cause of the riders, and try to get this right. I'm going to be here to help and represent their opinions.
Did you say that ESO isn't keen on recognizing this kind of representation?
Not yet, but I haven't asked to be in the meeting, but as soon as this interview is out and I'm going to talk to one of the cross country riders, Maxime Marotte. He was at that meeting and he said that they're talking about some stuff that directly affects downhill.
The situation you describe makes it sound like the riders aren’t involved at all at the moment.
There are two reps with the UCI, Myriam Nicole, and Greg Minnaar, they attend official meetings on behalf of the riders and the idea is that they would pass that information on to us, but we never really hear much back from that process. They are racing to the highest level, so it it reasonable to expect them to have time to do all this on a race weekend? That's why the union was created, because the riders are not happy with the way communication is working and we think we can help make the communication better.
Sounds like a tricky situation.
I think the communication has not been great. I think also some of the riders have the feeling that they express their opinions, and they don't ask anyone else, and that is not working for the union. Issues should be voted on every time. For example, we had an issue about potentially reducing the number of riders in the final. So that's something that's been voted on because we want everyone to know what position we're taking. Then you can say, "The riders don't agree with the reduction of the of the field. They might agree with the reduction of entries, but they also most of them think they should go back to 20 girls," that's what the riders think. If nobody is asking anyone else for an opinion, and the UCI rep says, "We should go to ten girls," that is just his opinion but the UCI now thinks that this is what the riders think. That's a problem.
I’d have thought having an inclusive voice from the riders would be a positive for the organizers in the long run.
Exactly. Although I don't know if it's in the interest of the broadcaster, because it's going to raise a little bit of adversity on some subjects. So it's not going to be easier for UCI or ESO to have the riders in there, but it will make it 100% better for everyone. The goal is that they involve everybody. The riders have almost no information and the team managers are just starting to get involved now. It feels like maybe they could get away with a lot of stuff if we don’t get together. Like I said, I'll know more when we open the union and try to be part of the next meeting, hopefully. Even Jolanda Neff told me today, because she feels close downhill because of Luca, "I had a talk with Maxime Marotte today and it doesn't feel like downhillers were present at this working group meeting with ESO Tuesday." I told her I thought downhill reps were there, and she told me that no one said anything. They discussed really important stuff, like top three podiums instead of five, and the riders received no communication.
I guess I didn’t realize how shut out of the process the riders are at the moment.
The riders were never really asked. It was always through the team managers, but on certain safety aspects, I don't think that team managers are as invested about safety aspects, you know what I mean? They maybe don't know as much. The riders are willing to give feedback, go on pre-race track walks with the UCI, or whoever is doing it, and try to make it work for everybody. At events, maybe go two weeks in advance to a track to give some advice something that would really make a difference and make it safer, but also make it look good, you know?
I can't help thinking when you say about the team managers, because if you look at the economics of it, the team managers, their interests don't 100% align with the athletes if you take something like concussion. Just to play devil's advocate here, but the rider can come and say, "I don't know if I should be on track." But there's a hypothetical situation where the team manager is more worried about the team's income than rider safety.
It's normal that riders care more about track safety, we are the ones racing the track. So for sure, for track safety, we would like more independence, but for financial aspects, like prize money, media rights, and stuff like that, I think it's in the interest of the riders to have someone helping them negotiate. And the team managers also have their own representative, Sean Heimdall. He has a lot of experience and I think he will be a great representative for the team managers, but I think for them it's hard to organize because there are so many of them and they have strong positions. I feel like the riders are a little bit more united on most subjects.
So where is the union right now?
What we did so far, it's making the first decision about who is voting in the union and who are the reps. Also going on track walk with UCI trying to make sure everything is safe and doing a track report. Maybe we will try to accumulate the track reports from this year so the riders' union can develop a safety checklist for every track we visit. The riders always had a good feedback opportunity through Jorge Garcia, but maybe we could try to prevent some of the issues to happen in the first place with a safety checklist. So people know, for example, they shouldn't consider a bridge with a 90-degree turn on it like in Andorra. A bridge is fine, but it needs to be straight and have paint on it, and not weird rubber or whatever else. There needs to be at least one helicopter, on standby. It sounds very basic, but Mont-Sainte-Anne didn't have a helicopter on standby. It's scary, you know?
And the second step, what the union wants to achieve now is being part of the discussions for next year. And that's why people must know the union exists and the riders want to have a seat at the table through Neko and me.
I suppose the big question has to be, how bad would things need to be for you to consider not being there at the first race in June?
We are trying to do everything to avoid this situation. The riders believe that together with the team managers we are in a position to negotiate some stuff, and we'll try to make it happen as smoothly as possible. But there is a possibility that if something really bad happens, that everyone finds outrageous, that the riders and the team managers together might say, "We're not signing up." But right now, we have no information. I think everybody is stoked that this huge company could make the sport great, but they can only do it if we work together. And everyone in the union thinks that way.
Yeah, I think that sounds fair because I was thinking that Chris Ball has got the track record of pushing the sport into new areas, it is the EWS that has taken racing Tasmania and New Zealand, Chile and Argentina, while the World Cup's not done that since when?
Some people would love to go all over the world, but some teams wouldn't have enough budget for that. If everything costs more, who wants to double their expenditure for $3,750 prize money (minus taxes) for the win? I don't think it's fair for the riders to have prize money that low. If the company organising the series is making millions, it just doesn't add up. If the team managers have to increase their fees for space, registration, and everything, they have to have something in return. And the riders do too. That's something that maybe riders are reluctant to discuss because they're putting themselves at risk by taking that position.
This feels like the sport growing up in some ways, it was much more serious than in the past.
Yeah. A lot of different sports have that and it's only positive that everyone's happy. When riders turn up they’re stoked, everything looks professional, and it would be great.
Release the Pinkbike hounds! That's ridiculous.
I’m all fairness though our sport could be seen as the poor relation when looking at salaries of other sports such as football etc
"Guys, come on, the money made from event sponsors, entry fees, pit fees, etc. will trickle down to the riders eventually, there's no need for a mafia-style union! Just look at the U.S. where trickle-down economics has lead to the greatest economy of all time! It'll happen eventually, you just gotta trust us, the multi-millionaire executives and organizers. We have the best interest of the riders at heart, I promise! The only reason we are making 100x's more than the riders is because we work 100x's harder to bring the riders and fans the best possible races and experiences. There's no need for a union, fellas. All you're doing is promoting socialism and hurting the fans! Be grateful! #livebikelove"
Do you work for the Starbucks UnionBuster Dept by chance?
Go f*ck your mother UCI
Imagine if a racer went to register and at the last minute said, nah, I had to split the cost of a room with my teammate last night. I can only pay half. Do you think they'd let them compete? Hell no!
UCI is greed and greed is cancer
Plus, waiting till June for next season to start at the highest level is ridiculous - a 9 month lay-off?
Check the uci rule book, definitely not a typo xco and dhi identical at world cups: 3750, 2500, 1250 for 1-2-3.
4th-10th:
800, 600, 500, 350, 300, 250, 200€
Also, what are the typical deals riders have with sponsors? Salaries at least, or is it just some gear and race support and they are actually glorified privateers?
Curious to know what's it's like for the top 10 but also below, for men and women...
Most of the money a road biker earn he gets it from his salary and I believe the prize money mostly come from the race organizer's sponsors, not the UCI.
There seem to be a bunch of small issues adding up to big problems. I watched the final race in Val di Sole, when they were presenting trophies to 1st-3rd, and I thought, ‘How anti-climatic is this’? It is like they put no effort in at all. Not to mention the pathetic wood trophies they got
Everyone here moaning about how it’s going to cost money to watch next year or to spectate. But yet moaning there’s no money in it. The same group are the folks looking for year end deals or buying online. Margin is what pays athletes.
When it comes to Redbull i doubt that all of them get a whole lot. One of the reasons Redbull contracts are very valuable for the riders is the support they get in case of an injury. It's somewhat like their insurance.
When it comes to Monster Energy i have no clue, but i guess it's similar.
I personally would like to see them actually get paid wages according to their work. In the end, DH is a product development and testing circuit. My idea is that the riders get paid according to what they do for a brand. If someone is mostly working on new products - they e.g. get a 80% wage from R+D and 20% from PR.
I dont know what the contracts look like that Anna Newkirk and Abby Hogie have with Hostettler (Bixs). But they are basically doing development / testing for them. Same with every factory team...
Ever so slightly different from zero.
bruni, minnaar, gwin sit at ~500 probly.. vergier, pierron, brosnan, iles, maybe hart too, prolly ~200-300 mark, and the rest around 100-150
Team managers and riders dream of getting sponsors from outside of the cycling industry that have actual $$$$$$ behind them, but its hard to market towards big corporations when you only go racing 8 times a year. The actual amount of time riders and events are exposed to spectators is way to limited. Who wants to throw $400k at a rider for 8 four minute runs a year?
If the sport wants to grow financially (and therefore wages) then exposure needs to grow exponentially. Pay per view will never bring in money as the potential viewing figures are currently miniscule. For me, there should be 16 races, and every single second needs splashing all over youtube/insta etc,,, Once the viewing figures rise, then the big sponsors want in. Unfortunately, someone has to pay to get the ball rolling, and I've no idea how that gets done!!!
Ah yes, social media. The place I turn to to get a true representation of another persons life.
I'd doubt that someone like e.g. Benoit Coulanges, Dean Lucas, Vero Widmann or Eleonora Farina actually make enough to fully support racing and a "normal life". Despite being always in the mix.
As a result of all that, the outreach is not 8x4mins per year as you say, but 8mins per day.
I think what everyone is talking about it the actual salary paid by their team. Not the ancillary sponsors that you can add to that salary. I am going to guess that you are way off with the riders that are making big money. What you term as 6 figures.
Jack Moir might be making a good wage, but I don't think it is all that you think it is. He signed with Canyon Cllctv after moving on from Intense, missing out on the other team. So he was signed late in the game. It was probably a one year deal as he was doing EWS more than downhill. He likely got a new contract after the 2020 season or the initial deal was a 2 year deal, and after being #1 last year they could have signed him for a longer deal and a bump in salary.
Here is his YouTube stats
socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCd77cWCYmO6alSLXXRHMoqw
The sport needs more money to the athletes as in salary from teams, more money from sponsors, and higher purses to more people in the finals. They need more SAY in what is going on with the sport.
I have followed this thread over the last 24-36hrs, and all I can say is that GZMS is way off the mark, but fair play to him/her backing themselves, but nothing anyone else can say is going to change their mind.
Lets go ride bikes, yeah?
It might might not be the actual case, but it appears (at least from the outside) that UCI/Disc are closing their ears to riders opinions on the next season either because, worst case; they don't want to hear from them, or perhaps slightly better case; they are simply being naïve and assume that everyone will agree with the changes and it will all go off without a hitch. Either way, it reeks of unprofessionalism and is creating an unnecessary amount of speculation.
Completely understandably, this is causing outrage amongst the riders because they have no idea what is coming. In many ways it is a lot worse than UCI/Discoovery simplly stating: "Yeah, it will be Pay-per-view, top 30 riders, increased entry fees etc"...because with that, at least the riders will have had it confirmed to them, what they are dealing with next year and they can prepare accordingly. Right now, it appears they have no clue what is coming.
Giving zero information is so much worse than giving information that people disagree with and I can guarantee that if the UCI/Disc continue to withhold information, the worse it will get, and the larger the chance that riders will choose not to race...and I wouldn't blame them for that one bit.
I'm a bit conflicted because whilst I massively respect both Greg & Myriam as riders, as UCI representatives I get the impression that they haven't been vocal enough to the other riders or the media about the plans for next year.
Maybe Greg/Myriam simply haven't had the time (or the platform) to provide the information, or they simply don't know what's going on themselves, or maybe they simply aren't allowed to say.
I understand that they have to "toe the (UCI) company line", but whatever the case; as a whole, the UCI have an obligation to provide the details on next year at least to the riders (if not us) like RIGHT NOW (regardless of whether it is bad or good).
If they don't provide the information soon, then the alternative is that they risk an exodus of all the privateers, and smaller teams who can't afford to rely on hearsay and we'll just be left with the the massive teams (Specialized/Trek/Commencal) who can afford to weather this period of uncertainty and the DH discipline will, to it's own detriment, become a castrated sport with no variety or real competition. This, in my view will draw in less viewers and in turn, will hurt Discovery's investment (hence why I say they are making it worse for themselves in the long run).
I don't want to not sound so "doom and gloom" about it, but as things currently stand, I have no reason (yet) to be cautiously optimistic, let alone excited about next year's season.
That says a lot
Correct. When Greg was interviewed at Vallnord, he kind of dismissed the riders union and was like "it will all be fine".
I don't think what Greg Minnar decides to do with his personal life has any bearing on this topic of conversation frankly. To be clear, I wasn't even suggest that he's withholding information from other riders on next year for his own personal gain. If that's how you are interpreting it then fine. but leave the dude's love life decision out of it yeah?
Honestly, this situation is really strange and suspicious, new WC organiser refusing interviews and not talking to athletes? Like they would be preparing something really nasty and trying to inform people as lat as possible, so they cannot do anything about it.
Anyway, whether you agree with it or not it is something unique to MTB and has a history at this level. In my opinion it would be a shame to lose that uniqueness.
It absolutely needs to be a 'non-rider', former rider maybe more accurate, and a collection of the top athletes. Not the literal 2 top athletes representing a field of over 100.
Going to be very interesting to watch how the season unfolds in a years time. Let's just say I'm extra looking forward to watching and supporting Hardline this year. Would love a potential expansion of that to go to more places than the EU/north america.
I get that he's well spoken and has good business acumen but that's a lot on his plate!
It's possible Emilie is gonna do a lot more of the organizing/sorting/work and that Neko is going to be an effective filter for lets call in "on the track" discussion. And that's when a lot of real shit gets said. Some people are tight lipped around the pits, around the cameras, around officials... But yeah, on practice day away from squids and track officials... A lot more will be said by a lot of people. That's where you get that unfiltered info. Neko can absorb all of that and pass it on to Emilie. Definitely makes Emilies responsibilities with Pivot tougher.
Stoked to hear about this !
He has a few mtb "lifestyle" and "travel" shows on Redbull as well as commentating some moto events.
Something definitely is going on in my opinion
Seriously though, it's shocking how bad things are. People always say that DH is the F1 of mountain biking and it clearly isn't, it's a shambles with no money to grow or do anything new. Where is all the money?
Discovery could open those taps. But man there’s gotta be some discourse to build the product into something better. Otherwise what is the point?
If the current Top 30 say no and refuse to race at any point, those spots will be filled very quickly by the next level down who will see this as their only opportunity to win a WC. As much as most of us in the comments section will claim loyalty to our favourite riders and refuse to watch, most will suck it up. Add in that the existing core is not what WB/Discovery/UCI are after - they want to attract a differnent, new consumer base - one that will spend money, hopefully at full retail, on their direct to consumer websites in the way that motorsport and football fans do - none of them do it, they just watch, they consume product - be it Pay per view or merchandise representing their favourites - we the dirty downhillers are not who they want
People keep comparing it to the F1 situation but are actually looking at the wrong comparison - instead look at the income model - 99% of F1 viewers do not actually race cars even at the most basic club level - they just spend a lot of money watching (in person or via media), buying the tat and believing that any of the circus is actually more meaningful than any other TV show.
Not that it means he cares for the sport. He doesn't. His goal is to make the company profitable. I doubt MTB rights are even an important acquisition for discovery.
In which case, what do they care what we think?
I'd love to know how the UCI actually makes money, living in NZ I've never been to a race but are fans charged entry fees? Obviously they have sold rights to discovery now but prior to that?
I've heard that mountain biking costs the UCI more than they earn out of it. That may be true, I don't think there's as much money in this sport as some people seem to. I also wonder how much gets blown on bureaucracy.
Whatever happens I'm pleased we had 12 years with redbull and considering I didn't pay a cent to watch it, the $$ vs reward ratio is massive.
But I’m always a little wary of people who go so deep into careers without understanding the pay packet.
1. It's fantastic this discussion is happening.
2. The union should include all prior year world cup riders. Starting the union with less than 20% of the male elites and less than 30% of the female elites isn't rider representation. The union should represent all World Cup riders. The interests of the tippy top of the field are not necessarily the same as the majority.
3. Mandatory track design input from a mix of male and female riders. MSA is a great example...the last jump was cased by all but 3 female riders and its been like that for years. Extend the landing back 6 feet and there's no issue and it's still the same for the men.
4. If you want to grow women's participation then increase the finals number to 30, still half of the men's. Require every uci dh team to have at least one woman. 20 uci dh teams currently have zero women.
5. The price money is ridiculous. $3750...insane. Ski World Cups pay $20,000-75,000 for first place. Kitzbuhel World Cup super G pays $76k, $38K, and $19k for first through third.
These numbers give FIS and event hosts the ability to charge mainstream sponsors top dollar to sponsor the events which flows through to the athletes.
In 2019 Redbull had a total viewership across all world cup DH and XC events of 10million (with XC having the majority). This could easily be eclipsed in one world cup under Discovery.
The UCI doesn’t just take the money and ask the organizer to do the rest. A huge factor here is that the UCI provides as part of this package, the TV production, which is around €250,000 for a DHI or XCO event, and €400,000 for a double. They release 50 percent of the marketing rights to the organizer, provide some officials and the on-site commentators, as well as all the timing services. Which is a massive chunk of the budget sorted. In addition, organizers keep all revenue from gate ticket sales, food and beverage licenses and merchandising.
In terms of broadcasting it has 2 major advantages - first it's more photogenic. It's a beautiful sport to watch even if you know nothing about it. Second, it's a fantastic form of escapism when you're sat at home in the cold and rain in the middle of January with nothing else to do except sink into axle deep mud.
But the new starting point is largely up to Discovery and it seems from the interview that no one really knows what they're up to. The wait is making everybody nervous.
DH WC has by far the best atmosphere and riders are open to talk whatever they like,it is really easy to be a fan of DH.
That is a big factor to me on why DH races are on top of anything else,cos the people ridding is lovely and accessible by anyone,not just the dude of the company talking the same boring questions over and over.
www.downtimepodcast.com/martin-whiteley-part-two
My understanding is he's in a consultancy role for ESO. He claimed Discovery wouldn't schedule WC and EWS races on the same weekend, when Chris Ball had already publicly commented that they would be doing exactly that.
He also advocates a 3 tier race series along the same lines as the rumoured 30 rider limit. At the same time he represents Brook Macdonald under 23 Degrees. Given Brook's qualifying results this year and the damage not being in the big show would likely do to his sponsorship situation, how is this not a conflict of interests?
I think it's great the riders are getting together to provide a voice that can't be ignored. More power to them.
And it's a lot of money. Really I had no idea the sort of numbers involved.
Bernard Kerr, in a recent podcast with Dean Lucas was also very outspoken about the prize money situation. Redbull hardline pays the winner £15,000, and yet just 3750€ for a uci dh win. That's laughable.
British Downhill series category winners barely win enough to cover their entry costs...
Seems the discovery/eso contract is all about creaming the money out the series
www.eurosport.com/mountain-bike/exciting-uci-and-warner-bros.-discovery-partnership-to-showcase-uci-mountain-bike-world-cup_vid1696243/video.shtml. @9.20 if you're interested.
Would you subscribe to watch World Cups in 2023?
YES increased viewership leads to increased sponsorship dollars, prize money and wages for the riders.
NO I want something for nothing but then act outraged that riders prize money and wages are so low.
I mean where do people think the money comes from to pay mainstream athletes tens of millions per year? The vast majority comes from people paying to watch the games, either from buying a ticket to watch live or through paying for the cable package that broadcasts to games.
www.cyclingnews.com/news/kalvenhaar-dies-after-crash-at-meribel-world-cup
Riders union should be referencing that example. Not sure why it hasn't been brough up?
The question would be, "what was done about the courses thereafter?". Are todays courses better, of have they fallen back to how they were in 2014 and this death?
Neff - who won - actually cased her front wheel *hard* on the last lap and neary went otb. Most of the riders had "Ride For Fleur" signs and flowers on their bikes for a few races afterwards.
totalwomenscycling.com/news/tragedy-overshadows-triumph-final-uci-mountain-bike-world-cup-meribel
I do agree that the question about safety post-meribel is the important one...and weirdly absent from discussion and online searches.
the average rider in these comments is likely spending hundreds every month just to keep the bike running but we’re all having aneurysms over the idea of spending a few bucks to support the DH racers we so badly want to see paid more fairly.
Maybe discovery figures out how to funnel more money into the sport, and maybe it’s through a subscription or pay-per-view. Or maybe they don’t. I don’t know. Maybe we give them a chance?
I’m just saying it gets old seeing people gripe about the possibility of having to pay them turning around and expressing their disappointment and surprise with the salaries and winnings available to the riders.
Quite frankly, I've been speechless seeing some of the blatant bad designs on the tracks - both for DH and XC. It's one thing with features that riders are attacking, but the not so obvious bridge entry/exits, fence posts, spectating areas, and so on.
Might be that my imagination is too vivid. Good to hear they are finally putting their feet down.
Oh, and I'd happily pay handsomely if RB were continuing their broadcasts like before. The entire household is glued to the screen for XC and DH, and RB/Rob is a hard act to follow.
This is something i really don't understand, that this isn't something the riders demand in their contracts. But the way neater way would be to make the health insurance for the days from track walk to finals part of the registration fees.
I looked at a risk sport insurance myself, but damn it's expensive...
My guess is, that if an insurance company knows that, together with EWS, 16-20 times a year, a couple-100 people will make such an insurance, that it might be cheaper. Also, I would like to see factory / pro teams paying insurance for their riders for the full contract period...
Maybe @emi008 can shed some light onto this topic and how it works at the moment...? Thx!
If the top 20 racers refuse to race because the UCI & Discovery won't take them seriously & meet their very reasonable demands that could be the end.
Don't get me wrong I'm behind the racers 100%. The only reason we are in this situation is greed on the UCI's part.
Red Bull could still push the UCI out completely if they just have the will to do it.
2020, 2021 and 2022 where supposed to have either Sth American or Australian/NZ rounds but they where canceled. Hence the Euro and Nth American centric series
Now travel restrictions seem to be a thing of the past for the majority of the world 2023 there are 2 EWS rounds in Australia to start the series.
Recent discontent was about hot and cold weather protocols as well as dangerous finishes.
I am surprised that he's not more on board with all this (and I know Chris and have done for the past 25 years!)
Chris was racing the WC and rode it in his pants with PANTS written on his chest in protest at the poor track.
Love to see Redbull joining forces with some names in the bike industrie and create their own events, just like Crankworx… Then we can keep seeing Rob and Claudio to!
Excellent job at leading the witness...
"Militant"? Come on, either you don't know what that word means, in which case don't use words you don't know, or you were really really trying to provoke something. No one is threatening violence, and to imply that at all is a huge disservice to the riders you claim to be on the side of.
It's also a perfectly fine interview question, asking about how discontent riders are and what their general attitude is. This is not a court interrogation.