If you compare the bikes
from the first ever EWS in 2013 to today's enduro steeds, it feels like almost every standard has changed in less than a decade. One thing has remained unchanged for much longer than ten years is the Presta valve. Get this, it hasn't been updated
since its invention in the 1880s.
There have been more than a few changes to tire and wheel technology since then, including the invention of the tubeless system. Getting new tubeless tires mounted, inflated and seated isn't always the easiest task with Presta's century-old technology, so Reserve set out to make the process easier with their new Fillmore valve.
Fillmore is a completely new take on tubeless valves and Reserve says that the new, high volume design allows triple the airflow, while its self-clearing poppet eliminates clogged valves. In addition, its threaded cap allows you to back-off and air down to the perfect tire pressure.
Details:• 3x airflow of a Presta valve
• No clog
• Direct-Inject: Coreless design
• Pressure is micro-adjustable
• Fits rim depths between 18mm - 28mm
• Lifetime warranty
• Price: $49.99 USD
• More info:
reservewheels.com Tubeless sealant is designed to fill a hole bigger than the hole in the Presta valve and so Presta valves are invariably going to clog at one point or another. Reserve's Fillmore aims to avoid that issue, with no valve core, three times the air flow of a Presta valve, and the unique poppet design of the airflow hole that protects it from sealant.
Reserve says Fillmore’s self-clearing poppet eliminates clogging by breaking through sealant build-up
That extra airflow also means that you should avoid that frustrating situation where you have to take out the valve core in order to get pressure into a tire that's particularly difficult to seat. You also won't accidentally unthread the core like often happens when you're using a twist-on style pump.
Compatible with Presta pump heads, Fillmore is made for mountain, gravel and cyclocross rims up to 28mm deep. It's also compatible with most sealant injectors and you can insert sealant directly into the valve for top-ups.
A set of valves will set you back $49.99 USD.
This short animation demonstrates how the Reserve Fillmore valves work.
Reserve's Fillmore valve aims to avoid clogged valves, with no valve core, three times the air flow of a Presta valve, and the unique poppet design of the airflow hole that protects it from sealant.
Learn more at
reservewheels.com
76projects.com/products/hi-flow-no-clog-tubeless-valves?variant=40862712463547
if you want the same thing for half price!
Unless 3 is less than 6, no you didn't reduce the complications and reduce the parts.
Also, you used proprietary parts that can only be supplied by you, further increasing complication in the event of failure.
There's the breakdown of the parts of this device. As you can see, there are quite a few parts and they're quite fiddly.
I have decades of experience of working on cars, motorcycles, and bicycles. I have had to deal with the brilliant engineering ideas of all different brands, which when they were new was great but after a couple years of use suddenly become the most unbearable wrenching experiences you've ever had to deal with. Like when Mercedes made an oxygen sensor heater system containing an ultra-expensive pump, multiple failure points, and extremely complicated to work on. Or when companies don't think of the material compatibility and now you have spark plugs that are fused inside of their respective holes (*cough* F150 triton).
Noticing the small seals and that threaded end, unless you routinely open up and service that, you're going to find it fused shut at some point that's going to end up breaking out vice grips. I also worry about the cost of parts. I can buy a valve core for less than a dollar, whether schrader or presta, yet how much is the rebuild kit going to be for this? How much is a new rod if you strip out that allen hole? What about the o-rings or that metal cap?
I applaud them for coming up with a new design to help move us away from age-old presta valve, but I would love to see a less complicated system and I would REALLY love if they got rid of that end cap for a different design.
More excited about the bit that they didn't mention though. Looks like they incorporated a special groove a little way down the stem which I am guessing is for a quick release air chuck. Now THAT is what we really need.
Slightly worried about stainless and 7075 together in a wet environment though, that's a pretty big electro-galvanic potential so I can imagine a few wet-climate owners (certainly wet-salty-climate owners) finding they can't get the valve cap off one day to the point of breaking the needle.
I’m not dissing the Peaty’s. I’ve got a set on a bike. They’re fine. The caps are gimmicky, and they clog, but I think they work better with Cushcore than the Cushcore valves. I’d rather have paid less for them.
I’ll also cop to owning a $50 pair of valves. They’re made of titanium which allows them to have a thinner wall than aluminum valve stems, meaning the inner bore is just an RCH wider than an alloy stem. On one hand, they’re total dentist bullshit. On the other hand, they’re brilliant. That wider bore makes them much less prone to clogging, and improves airflow. Unfortunately, they aren’t Cushcore compatible.
Theoretically, by those metrics, I should be psyched on the Reserves, but meh, we’ll see. I’m clearly willing to spend 50 bucks on dentist bullshit high flow low clog insert-compatible stems. Maybe next time I need new valve stems I’ll keep these in mind.
I never have had a problems with 8 bar pressures. Just stick it on the valves and bam , everything is sitting and got enough pressure.
My approach to setting tubeless is similar to others. I don’t pour the tubeless directly into the tire. I do a dry bead set first—using my compressor to set the bead. Then I take the valve core out, use Orange Seal’s squeeze bottle and straw to get the sealant in, make sure the stem is clean on the inside, put the code back in, and fill it up. So much less mess.
its so plain obvious. Everyone else uses it. Bikes used it for decades. Why is this industry so obtuse????
2 standards- one American-German, used by nearly all industries, as reliable as can be. The other one is a French design, flimsy and thin, and only used in road bikes due to the narrow profile. And what does the industry choose...?
Im glad Santa Cruz is trying to improve the presta, but honestly its such a broken design that anything would be an improvement.
I have screw-on schrader valves for presta bodys. I´m joyfull everytime I get to pump my tires, because I know I don´t have to unsrew my valves and I´m not at risk of break them.
Can’t just say stuff, needs to make sense
I mean if these came on my new wheels I'm sure I'd be fine with them. But current presta valves are just not that big of a hassle to need a $50 dollar upgrade...
Also I don't get the point of "backing off the cap and airing down to the perfect pressure" Because you then have to take the cap off and use a gauge to check the pressure anyway? (I mean the majority of people that are "airing down" are gonna want to check what pressure they are lowering down to so they don't ruin those nice carbon rims)
I'll await my down votes and bro bashing.
But wait we already have a different valve we can use! It's called schrader - used everywhere else.
Having said that and with little hope that Schrader becomes the standard again, hope this Fillmore gets scale and lower the price. Hate my current valves.
Especially since most rims are wider these days anyway. (plus they had no issue using Schrader on narrow rims WAY back when)
What we really need is to be able to take our wheels down to our LBS and get them precisely drilled out and for all rim and wheel manufacturers to get onto certifying "if" their rims can be drilled out without issue by our LBS.
Done.
And now SC/Reserve comes along and builds a better Presta valve. Being able to top up sealant without unscrewing the valve core is neat - but c'mon man, for $50, that's really the only advantage over Schrader that I see.
@ReserveWheels - nice job doing something technically interesting. Yes, you improved on Presta valves in a significant way. But you all have a good bit of cred and market power in this industry, and nobody is going to accuse you of making low-end, low-performance stuff. So how about leveraging that cred and shifting to Schrader (and then if you really want to be cool, re-direct all that innovation you just wasted on Presta towards making a better Schrader valve for those who'd gladly spend the extra so they never have to use a valve core tool again)? Otherwise, it's a case of doing an awesome job climbing the wrong mountain.
Apart from that,I haven't got anything against Schradder.
We didnt prove him wrong.
Presta is objectively inferior in every way, but us riders have a short memory
I'm in 100% agreement about Schrader being the better valve design.
I distinctly remember at least one occasion where someone was spouting off that presta valves were better for high pressure applications while being stood beside an air shock that uses a Schrader valve and is rated to well over 200psi.
Presta are skinnier which was helpful in not reducing rim strength in road bikes on silly narrow rims.
That benefit is loooong gone in the both the mtb and road world.
For the low pressures we run now,it makes no difference.
For the average rider/home mechanic who only swaps tires when they are worn out, or sets up a new set of wheels every couple years or so, I don't see the payoff for the add'l cost.
A friend of mine came over with a set of these a month or two ago. He was having issues getting a new tire seated with his floor pump and wanted to borrow my air compressor. He got them prior to release through a rep or something, wasn't clear how he got them, maybe some sorta media/influencer deal as he has a mildly popular youtube channel. He told me, "Check these out, but don't tell anyone or post anything. They haven't been released yet."
We made a big mess trying to put sealant in his new tire 'cause, despite the claim made here, they would *not* thread tightly into my Stan's sealant injector, and we leaked a bunch of sealant all over the floor. Maybe his, being a pre-release, weren't the final design and that issue was fixed?
Obviously, based on comments here, others have had a lot more struggles with presta than I have. I'll consider myself lucky and keep running my current valves for now.
I've yet to drill all my rims, so i do run some prestas. And every time i come back to the schrader im just... calm. Pumping air in, letting air out, filling sealant- it just works so well. With Presta i'm constantly fighting- it gets clogged, can break if you pump too hard, impossible to attach threaded pumps (which i like, since they're the most reliable) without potentially pulling the core out. Its just so damn flimsy!
Wow, take my money....
Down-voting the comments with valid critiques is pretty lame for a manufacturer...
You deserve some valves, or at least a gold star, for how much I am entertained by your writing
However, more importantly, will a variety of colors be available? Colorful valve stems are easy bling. At least make a variety of valve cap colors available, please.
No need to pump up the tire again, you just put your thumb over it after seating the tire. At that point you have TOO MUCH pressure. So when you then insert the core in the hole and screw it in and get your gauge you'll still be releasing air to get down to ride pressure.
Admittedly, if it's a new tire I will add more air to get it up to 45 PSI and let the casing stretch over night...?
Plus, these would look great on my reserves!
I've always drilled my 26" rims to mount Schrader valves, but they were always cheap ones and with my new 29" rims I am hesitant to try it (and lose the warranty). But now I realize how much simpler everything worked with Schrader valves.
I did convert one old rim to tubeless (Sun Singletracks...), and it worked flawlessly with Joe's Schrader Tubeless valves.
Another user @fartymarty got me onto these a few months back. I’ve since drilled out all six wheel sets in the house, including the Mrs carbon rims to take them. I think hers only needed a 1mm larger hole on them. I buy these from eBay and other valves from AliExpress.
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151400052268
I would like to see carbon rim makers offer conversion as a service. Maybe allowing “CeRtiFiEd” shops to ream it would be the go? I’m going to ask the machinists at work if they can come up with a foolproof, simple (and cheap) solution to do it. At the end of the day if enlarging the valve hole by 1.5mm (0.75mm further from the centre effectively) will cause a rim to fail, then there’s a fundamental flaw with the design.
I will continue to preach the gospel of schrader until the industry ends the presta idiocy.
Lezyne-proof! Worth it just for that... My Lezyne pumps just won't die, but they like to kill.
I have a nice collection of valves going, but if it's ever stolen I'll grab a couple of these no problem.
@als802: why have you had to replace so many? I’ve been pretty pumped on mine that I got 4 years ago and use 5 plus days a week. I hope mine continues to work now!
@JustinVP: hahah yeah that don’t sound fun! Sorry that happened. Hope you got another good string of 99 pumps to go through though before another one of those stories!
No one wants to buy $50 valves. Sell. Them. For. Less. They're f*cking valves for f*ck's sake.
I can remove a presta valve core with my hands meaning it's tool-free.
Same with bikes, remove core, inject sealant, install core, done.
You've really optimized your life! ...and yet you wasted at least minutes commenting on a bike website for jerks like me...
My only reservation, putting sealant into a tire unseated can be a messy situation when you try to blast air into the tire, so I prefer filling my tires after the fact via the valve stem.
Presta ain't dead!
This solves the #1 issue with my bike that has repeatedly messed up rides lately.
Presta valves are only good when they’re new, then the bending and clogging starts and it’s a nightmare to deal with the slow leaks and the valves so clogged you can’t even pump air in. And the clogging is so much worse with Cushcores.
Bravo @ReserveWheels !
By that logic you need a "pile" of injectors too...?
Nothing wrong with buying an injector though!
Let’s keep progressing.
Now make tires that don’t need inserts.
I’ll run these valves.
But it would be better if there were tubes so I could cut them open and build them ghetto tubeless.
Just saying.
76projects.com/collections/mtb/products/hi-flow-no-clog-tubeless-valves
"Scott from Corvus Cycles compared the Fillmore with the first Cane Creek Threadless headset. Something that will change the tubeless valve across the entire bike industry. That’s a pretty bold prediction, but I agree that it is one of the best new innovations that we’ve seen in the last couple of years."
I will remain doing my Ghetto tubeless with one 24" tube and a cup of sealant 15 bucks tops.
Can't help thinking that's a shit idea
76projects.com/collections/mtb/products/hi-flow-no-clog-tubeless-valves
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjMRj0jEef0
Thanks!
@ReserveWheels having used valves where I removed the core to get through more airflow but not having the perpendicular air ports I'm honestly skeptical that this is much better. You still have the insert pressing against the outlet of this valve. Y'all got any visuals that show the difference when an insert is in play?
"6. Can you use CushCore with the Fillmore valve? Yes, it works, but the poppet pushes against the CushCore when you release pressure, so it takes additional force on the cap to let the air out of the tires."