Pinkbike Poll: How is the COVID-19 Pandemic Impacting You?
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The current COVID-19 pandemic has undoubtedly changed the way that we go about our daily lives. The virus has rapidly spread across the globe, bringing travel and business as we knew it to a halt. It has tragically taken lives and forced many to adapt to new realities.
As the world struggles to suppress the spread of COVID-19, please follow the guidelines of your local health authorities. Even if you don’t have the virus and live in a place without restrictions on outdoor recreation, please do not ride dangerously. Bike-related hospital visits put additional stress on local medical systems and put riders at increased risk of exposure; do not undertake any activities that put you or others at risk.
Pinkbike is a global community, and we wanted to check in and seeing how everyone is doing. How has your life changed in recent days? Let us know below and feel free to comment if you have positive suggestions or tips for making the best of these difficult times. Is there something you'd like to see from us (besides the Grim Donut) in the coming weeks? We're all in this together.
Has your work situation changed?
Many people are working longer or shorter hours or are out of work all together at the moment due to businesses being closed. Some are continuing on but working remotely from home (we'll ask that next).
Are you working from home?
Are you still going into work? Are you newly working from home? Or have you always worked from home?
Have your plans for purchasing new bike parts changed?
Priorities for many have been realigned, but for many people the bike is a critical part of life and sanity.
Have your travel plans changed?
Did you have to cancel a trip you have planned or are you still holding out at this point?
Are you able to ride?
Certain governments have imposed restrictions on their citizens practicing self-quarantining and on travel. Some people are not allowed to leave their homes and some don't want to. Some trail networks have closed and others are inaccessible. Many people are deciding that riding is too risky as an accident may land them in the ER, further stressing already burdened facilities. Can you get out on the trails or are you stuck inside, or practicing wheelies in your yard?
Has the amount of time you're spending on the bike increased or decreased?
Are you riding more or less than a couple of months ago or than you would typically be riding this time of year? Are restrictions and necessities taking priority over your normal ride time?
Are you spending time training indoors?
There are a number of ways to stay fit and help your mental sanity, even indoors. Are you doing push-ups and pull-ups? Are you hitting the weights? Riding the trainer? Or none of the above?
What events would you be most disappointed to see canceled?
There is an enormous list of canceled events at this point, reaching a few months out. What would you be most disappointed to not be watching or taking a part in?
Are you eating better or worse?
With many restaurants closed and more people having to come up with food at home, are you eating better or worse than you typically would?
Are you cooking more or less?
Are you perfecting your culinary skills at home by cooking more or are you cooking less than normal, for whatever reason?
Have you or anyone you know personally contracted COVID-19?
Have you contracted the virus, or do you know someone who has?
Do you foresee lasting impacts on the way you recreate?
Do you think it will be life as normal or will things be quite a bit different in the future?
When do you predict your life will return more to what you consider normal?
Things are changing by the hour. When do you think we'll be back to a more normal rhythm of life?
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#thisisirresponsiblefakenews
End days no doubt.
Easy my dudes. Your mom's peanut butter supply is getting pretty low and in these dark times I should really stick to kibble.
Unfortunately I just cannot afford to stay home (though if I start feeling even slightly off I will out of respect for everyone else's safety)...and I work at what is apparently considered a piece of infrastructure (a bike shop) and likely wont be closed regardless. So staying home isn't really an option for me currently.
I have been washing my hands far more often recently though.
I think the key is for everyone to do whatever is most socially responsible given their own set of circumstances, and have a little bit of empathy while doing that.
Some people such as telemarc67 just dont seem able to see past themselves.
I just thought it would be fun to make a facetious comment regarding your unique flexibility and hygienic practices as a canine.
I did not expect to read such an eloquent summary of our times today, in the comments section of a bicycle website- In response to a comment about a meme-bicycle- Written by a canine no less.
The UK has social restrictions which I think are wise and I am following them, I'm ok making the switch to the turbo or riding alone.
RACES HAVE BEEN CANCELLED
And regardless of where you're located, if you're willing to surrender your freedom to decide when to ride your bike to your government then you're a sad little puppet, period.
Y'all Bay area kids are special...
“So it is with minds. Unless you keep them busy with some definite subject that will bridle and control them, they throw themselves in disorder hither and yon in the vague field of imagination... And there is no mad or idle fancy that they do not bring forth in the agitation.”
― Michel de Montaigne
And freedom is neither responsible nor irresponsible; it simply is... It promises no comfort, no promises of safety, no easy answers. It provides unfettered opportunity but it's up to each individual to decide just how much freedom they can stomach. As soon as you let fear convince you to trade your freedom for the illusion of safety, you've already lost both.
covid19.ca.gov
"Stay home except for essential needs
Everyone is required to stay home except to get food, care for a relative or friend, get necessary health care, or go to an essential job. If you go out, keep at least 6 feet of distance."
Or Directly from Newsome's tweet where he linked that site...
"CA is issuing a statewide, mandatory STAY AT HOME order."
I'm confused, the quote you provided says that "Everyone is required to stay home except to get food, care for a relative or friend, get necessary health care, or go to an essential job."
So you are saying that you are not allowed to go out on your bike. The 6 foot away part just applies to people when they go out because they have met the conditions stated in the part that I quoted. It is not an or statement.
My wife is on a respirator at the local hospital. Test result comes in tomorrow. If it's Covid she's lucky to have it now and not when this shit peaks. Hopefully I get it over with quick or it just passes through me. Lucky as f*ck to have universal healthcare.
And you're really gonna love that universal healthcare if shit gets as bad as you're afraid of and the government starts choosing who gets to live and who dies because your system can't keep up.
Uninsured patients in the States are receiving $ 30,000 + bills for testing and treatment of Covid, a rampantly contagious virus. What could possibly go wrong?
Maybe by june we'll be on the downslope...of wave 1. Why would there not be multiple waves?
I belive this thing is gonna take a year or two to blow over, and the world will be very different by then.
Having to be on a respirator for anything is not good.
Bike riding is not encouraged; it’s permitted. Overall, its way more lenient than the clickbait newz makes it out to be. Just keep in mind your local government is permitting you to do this and can revoke any of these at any time.
Here is a list of other things your permitted to do. www.sfdph.org/dph/alerts/files/HealthOrderC19-07-%20Shelter-in-Place.pdf
look at the air and water clearing up from just a few weeks of economic slowdown.
"climate change" and "global warming" are inappropriate terms mostly because "extreme capitalism choking the planet" is more accurate.
You can cry about it all you want but I guarantee you that the US capitalistic healthcare system will be far superior in dealing with this regardless of scope. So, even if what you claimed were true, would you rather be $30k in debt or dead?
@BenPea Best wishes to the wife.
The US healthcare system, unfortunately, will not be better equipped. The lack of facilities will not drive private investment from hospital systems to deal with the need for more beds. The government will attempt to build makeshift and temporary facilities, but a lack of medical providers and a huge population of obese and unhealthy Americans will overwhelm the system.
I'm a full on libertarian and have no delusions regarding the availability of extremely high end medical care versus the ability of our medical system to provide vast emergent and critical care. Our emergency rooms are filled on a regular basis, with very few rooms available for critical and in patient stays. Patients in other vital in patient wards with serious diseases cannot be comingled with these patients.
The lack of wide spread and low threshold testing will prevent early detection and use of possible interventional therapies that would decrease the number of severe cases that our medical system must treat.
The virus will continue to mutate, people might remain immune for a year, a yearly vaccine might protect you from some of the strains of COVID-19 that emerge--but we don't know, and antiviral therapies may or may not prove to work.
Ive been to the Mayo clinic, and will proudly say that I was and continue to be treated at what is possibly the best medical center in the world. At the same time, I recognize that the lack of resources, logical strategy, and slow implementation of novel pharmaceutical therapies will result in lots of suffering throughout the nation
What he had to say about exactly what is happening RIGHT Now in the Hospitals has had me, a grown arsed 50 year old, life hardened bloke in tears.
We are at the point where they are going to have 6-8 patients who they will have to decide which one gets the ventilator. A decision they will have to take for every ventilator they have. Not just old people... Today, a 40 year old man with no underlying health conditions... A 16 week old baby... Elderly with underlying conditions... on top of the other patient's who are contracting Covid-19.
This Doctor, Al... 42 years of age... Will be in that Hospital every single day until this is beaten or when, as 40 members of his staff have already, contract the virus and are no longer able to treat patients. A Doctor who has already made peace with the fact that by treating these people he has an excellent chance of dying, just like Doctors in Italy, Spain, France have.
Now, you can bleat about your wonderful private system and you can slag off our Social Health Care system as much as you like but this will overwhelm your system in the same way it has Italy, Spain, France and our own.
None of us outside of China has the ability to enforce a lock down like Wuhan to help stop the spread. It doesn't matter how many AR f*cking 15s you have to protect you... If you think this is just flu, or you are infallible to this, f*cking think again buddy.
600+ deaths today in Italy alone. The death rate will carry on increasing day after day.
And its going to be like that wherever you are. Do you really think any Leader is going to stand up and tell you directly how many people they know are going to die from this virus? If you think you know better... Good f*cking luck to you!!
I'm usually pretty mellow and rational on here but your attitude towards this is so off the mark man and has me really pissed off.
So f*cker... Keep thinking the mighty private health care in your country is going to fair any better than any other country... I hope you are not one of those people that the Doctor has to decide will be ventilated, and if survive, then have to go through months of physio just to get back on your feet.
If your lucky, you will have mild symptoms... If not... Well, thoughts and prayers to your family.
Get a f*cking grip and realise just how bad this is, maybe not for you, but for the people you can infect by your stupid ignorance and arrogance.
So @badbadleroybrown:, start getting informed... Your system is no better than anyone else's on scale to population.
Vote down you f*ckwit
And your socialized shit healthcare systems are overwhelmed because, like everything else the government runs, it's trash... which is why you lot are going to live or die by triage choices while Americans don't. It's why Italy is overwhelmed and its why Europe as a whole is f*cked far worse than the US will be.
I am informed, very well informed and likely better informed than anyone else on this site who's only information has come from media outlets that have been declaring everything a crisis for the last three years now. And because I'm informed, I'm not worried. There's a well above 99% chance that I'll be completely safe from COVID and the same goes for everyone not in a high risk demographic. But you go ahead and be pissed off; stay inside, live in fear, do what your government tells you like a good little puppet, and cry your eyes out all you want... that shit impacts me even less than COVID.
Unlike you, I'm not worried about catching COVID. I've been exposed and came away unscathed and even if I caught it, I have zero concern about it being more than a mild inconvenience and I'm more than capable of self management to mitigate exposure to those around me. But cheers for showing your true colors
I personally don't think we will know what that actually means for a while (months to a year at the very least) though.
A question that wasn't asked, "how will this affect your risk threshold?"
All I know is that I am not doing anything that has enough potential risk to put me in the medical system.
If you really think that we, in our country, are falling propaganda; I would ask you to take a look at your own media... And as for true colours, well, I'll wear it with pride. I'm neither Liberal or Right Wing, I don't need to blow my load over shitty political leanings. My true colours are the ones that show I don't hold with fools.
Woooooo Go USA!!!
Media in general, yours and ours, is nothing but propaganda... if you weren't a gullible puppet, you'd already know that. Your true colors are ignorance, bigotry, and cowardice.
But f*cking aye right, go USA. Enjoy your collapse, I'll be enjoying spring break on the beach.
Whehey first quarantine/freedom comment!
Don't worry, you still have rights or whatever if you're willing to heed globally shared advice to attempt to contain the spread of a killer virus.
You are very misinformed, Italy has more beds per capita than we do. Italy and every other country have a massive headstart on testing compared to us, because we decided we needed to develop our own test that takes 3 times as long for results.
The media has never claimed anything to be a crisis as large as this. If you just listen to the paid for shills like Rush, maybe he has convinced you that "the left" was in a total panic about swine flu, bird flu, ebola, and Zeke virus, but that isn't true.
It is true that you will likely not die from this, true. However you have a really good chance of catching it. Then no matter what your age you will have a 1 in 5 chance of getting pneumonia, and then you have a good chance of needing to go to the hospital... You have no real sources and arguing against people that have been listening to well researched reporting and the experts in the field of virology. This feels the same as speaking with a flat earther.
Other nations have more beds specifically because of their inflexibility and I specifically said that we're better able to respond to the crisis because of our flexibility. We have a far more diversified and distributed care system that can adapt on the fly to accommodate. And no, other nations don't have a huge headstart...
Likewise, nowhere did I claim the media made an equivalent claim about prior outbreaks... but the media has spent every day of Trump's presidency turning everything into a crisis. Trump was literally a Russian sleeper agent, literally a puppet for Putin, Trump was literally going to start world war three with north Korea, Trump was literally running concentration camps, Trump was literally destroying women's rights, Trump's literally a racist... but you wanna bitch about paid shills on the right or Rush? Gtfoh... you lefties have been inventing crisis after crisis throwing shit at the wall waiting for something to stick and now that you finally found something that's actually moderately serious, you clowns are turning it into armageddon.
I have real sources, real information first hand... but typical liberal puppets, you can't believe in anything unless it's fed to you by a "paid for shill" on CNN. I've spent the last twenty years working in the healthcare industry and speak with more doctors in a given day than the average person will talk to in a year and I have yet to hear even one of them support the popular narrative or be anything other than critical of that narrative. My ex is retired air force and works for the f*cking CDC and readily says that while it's worse than SARS and MERS it's nothing to worry about outside of the at risk demographics.
Like I said, you boys are welcome to surrender your freedoms and hide at home crying in your hoarded toilet paper like the clueless cowards you are... but those of us who are actually informed know better than to buy into the fear mongering.
And funny that you mention flat earthers, since they're virtually all lefties who bought into ridiculous hysterics they found online from "researchers"... just like the lot of you are doing with this.
Like I said, it would be great if all the experts and university's studying this problem are wrong. It will be great if our healthcare system is many times better at dealing with this, than other western countries. I hope the people you say you are talking to are right and that all the people doing the research and reporting and analysis are wrong, that would be nice. Perhaps a little fantasy land, but it would be really nice.
Like I said I hope that the person you know, that has worked on a particular drug, is right and that Columbia and Northeastern Universities that have done actual research into this actual problem are wrong.
Hey mate. I’m in Italy in lockdown watching it all unfold. Pretty much everyone knows someone that’s contracted the virus here.
Clearly the scary thing is everyone knows someone who has a relative with something pre-existing or frail and us young and healthy are generally staying well.
They’ve made entire hospitals here either Coronavirus designated or regular hospital.
I cut my leg last night. Had to go get stitched at the regular.
It was very quiet there. People aren’t getting regular injuries because they’re staying home.
They were minimum staff throwing everything they can at hospitals with the virus so I got stitches up by a very inexperienced doctor. I didn’t care. The hospitals elsewhere are being crushed and people are dying.
It’s very sobering when it’s on your door step. I’m not scared. I am worried. It’s safe to say that I believe the experts now when I’m told that before it’s all out you’ll be going to the funeral of at least someone you know.
The whole comment thread above reminded me how I felt a few weeks ago before it arrived.
All the best
Remdesivir by Gilead is a nucleotide analog antiviral and currently the leading candidate for a potential COVID19 treatment... Come try again when you're actually informed instead of just indoctrinated.
Trump(o)'s 'desires'? You apparently have ZERO comprehension of the political parties here in the US, so I'll give you a real quick lesson: While the Republican party(that'd be the party of Abraham Lincoln, and YOUR President) was founded in 1854 to fight the Kansas-Nebraska act( an act written by a DEMOCRAT to EXPAND slavery.See, the Democrat party was the party of the slave owner) its modern ideology is lower taxes(please note that the person you called a 'dictator' has cut taxes, moved back tax filing two months, and is sending a $1200 check to all qualifying tax payers in the country. He's also suspended student loan payments) CAPITALISM, SMALLer government and deregulation. Someone of average intelligence would note that these are polices of someone who would qualify as the OPPOSITE of a 'dictator'. Can you name ONE dictator that is/was a CAPITALIST? How about one who cut taxes, shrank government, increased civil liberties, or ENCOURAGED gun ownership by his citizenry? Gee, isn't an armed populace counter-productive for a dictatorship? Seems like I read something along those lines somewhere...
A 'dictator' is all about CONTROLLING people, which is done by EXPANDING the size of government, and TAKING AWAY the populations ability to fight said dictatorship, ie its GUNS. Again, a person of average intelligence would note that former Pres. Obama, nearly QUADRUPLED the size of the federal government, and he and his party focus(ed) on de-arming the American public.
I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but, again, someone with average intelligence would note here that protecting AMERICANS against a dictator taking power was on our FOUNDING FATHER'S minds so much, they addressed it with the SECOND amendment.
You might be thinking of Barney, errr, 'Barry' Sanders. See, he's a socialist. You know, just like the famous dictator Joseph Stalin
There is one benefit to this situation. There will be some fantastic sales on! Some have already started.
It is going to be very sobering for everyone Who hasn’t got out of their a*shole to see vidoes of healthcare workers crying saying they can’t take it anymore, bodies being carried around. @Babbadboyleroy, being obese has a high chance of seeing it himself for many days. It’s like common cold for Most but If virus takes hold of you, aside of exposing you to Danteic scenes that will put you into psychological trauma, it has a potential of permanently damaging your lungs.
I am not exactly sure which part he doesn’t see from the depths of his a*shole he decorated with political bullshit.
It’s going to be a rough ride people... the echoes of it will be in us forever. Let’s ignore idiots and focus on being kind to those who deserve it.
Bring on my downvotes
Of course I know that particular drug is currently being trialed.
I am not going to go on with you anymore. I know it is fun to think the way you do, I hope that you are right. You say someone involved in the development of a drug for a different but similar disease with a way lower infection rate says it will be fine, so let's ignore all the people that have been studying the details of the spread of this disease. I just don't understand this train of logic, it is just bred from the conservative pundits training people to distrust the media.
Everyone's opinion has the right to be broadcast and has equal value, right???
Nope, definitely not.
If you don't understand that now, I hope that you do someday.
If you were familiar with it then you'd know it wasn't developed for a "different but similar disease with a way lower infection rate", you'd actually know what a nucleotide analog antiviral was and that this particular one has already proven effective against coronavirus. And if you knew anything about virology, you'd understand that the individual's who developed this drug and who are currently testing it on COVID19 know far more than the jackass talking heads you watch on TV. But sure, go ahead and praise your echo chamber and write off reality as conservative punditry...
It's really pathetic that you're as ignorant as you are yet still confident enough to talk as though you weren't... but you'll never understand that.
Few days ago I laughed at @jclnv for saying in China dead bodies were littering the streets and people were getting bolted inside their homes. It was true! I feel like shit now. Oh well... the sooner you start realizing how awful it will get, the better it will be for your own sanity. I can’t wait to see how old dog like you will learn to sit, or how much energy will you spend not to and how you will transfomr from just another old dog into a... what did you call @reverend27? Oh how you will turn into a genuine piece of sht.
The only positive thing will be for at least some time, fkng Social Justice Warriors will shut the hell up. They need this. Softies need that.
Buy low, sell high... it's not rocket science.
Been hiding indoors big mouth? You truly are a keyboard warrior and apparently shit on your bike too (thanks Strava). Time to calm your rhetoric down big boy XX
Lots of Love xx
www.strava.com/athletes/61763#interval?interval=202003&interval_type=month&chart_type=miles&year_offset=0
You're pathetic even as chicken shit Brits go... such a big man you are crying about cock suckers and keyboard warriors while hiding at home scared of catching a cough.
I wrote it only because I know you like guns. You may as well go on an heavy acid or DMT trip. You’ll die too, it’s just that a part of you will come back.
And equating the natural process of viral infection leading to a loss of life with religious extremists murdering thousands in a terrorist attack on an innocent public is the dumbest f*cking thing I've ever heard. You better take advantage of your socialized medicine and go get your head checked lil waki, you're clearly off your meds.
Good of you to drop the virtuous facade of pretending to care about human life and show what a piece of shit you really are encouraging someone to commit suicide, even suggesting shot placement, all because you disagree with them... you're a joke waki, a joke and a coward, no surprise you're a fan of hiding away at home.
If possible and just have time to read one article today may I suggest this one? medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
It's a very comprehensive breakdown of the numbers on the different approaches to tackle the virus.
You seem pretty keen on liberty and personal freedom, and fairly concerned about anyone taking that away from you, which seems fair enough and reasonably consistent with American values as far as I am aware. Part of wanting your freedom to be respected must also be respect for your fellow citizens freedom.
Have you considered that your actions in knowingly contributing to the spread of a potentially fatal disease takes away from your fellow American's liberty and freedom? Your choice to do what you like regardless of the consequences is impacting on someone else's ability to live their life - which sounds like exactly what you're afraid of a government doing to you.
I do not choose to follow the WHO and UK Gov advice out of fear of the authorities, I choose to do it out of respect for others in society. At present that advice allows us to still get out riding, with some sensible caveats around possible transmission routes and safety.
And yet, today, again at the trail head it was parking on the roads again as the two parking lots were packed full, the trails were full. MTN, Road, Horse riders, RC car folks.....we all just think of how apathetic, and pathetic the some humans can really be.
But, I did buy four more 48 packs of TP (bringing my total to somewhere over 300 rolls in my home of two adults). Soon enough I can list some on CraigsList maybe MASSIVE margins....HUUUUUUGE. Part of me wants to TP my own trees (it would be akin to driving the fast car fast getting 8mpg while idiots are bitching about the price of fuel).
But we must still be able to see how much fear mongering is in the media. I assure everyone that if hospitals did same live reporting of injuries and deaths coming from car accidents, we’d all think twice before getting into a bloody car. The spotlight effect cannot be ignored. If we were getting live reports from clinics and hospitals covering obese people dying of heart disease, badbadleroy would stop stuffing his mouth with crap...
If anyone's interested, the aforementioned part starts at about 2:25:30.
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000gc73
Los Angeles county sent out a notice to doctors to only test cases that are likely to end up with a hospital stay or odd infection route. That could seriously skew the actual numbers making the virus appear far more deadly and leave us with no idea of the actual number infected. I understand the reasoning (lack of test kits). Unless your willing to jump into the rabbit hole and fletch out the causes/effects for each stat reported I would just do your best to keep a positive vibe, shred trails and keep clean.
Divide the small number by the big number and times by 100. Congratulations, you have a percentage. Try this at home for a big f*cking wake-up call.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPJPIZXXQLg
Not my words but copied from a hillwalking group. Feel free to copy and share like I have done.
Let’s talk about just one of the people who has ‘escaped’ to the hills to ‘socially distance’ themselves. Let’s call him Brian. Brian has been at work all week, he isn’t lucky enough to work at home. Brian eats the lunch he carefully prepared at home on Tuesday, at his desk. Tom the cleaner cleaned Brian’s desk on Monday evening, but Tom had spent the weekend getting smashed in various pubs with his mates. Tom didn’t know it but he was infected. Before Tom cleaned Brian’s desk, he coughed into his hands. He doesn’t care about COVID-19 because he’s young and he believes it wont affect him. Whilst cleaning Brians desk he sheds some of the virus onto Brians keyboard. Brian has been using his keyboard all morning, and he just started eating his sandwich. Brian is now infected, but he wont show symptoms for another week.
Fast forward to the weekend and Brian decides, because he’s fit and healthy, he’s going to climb Snowdon with his wife. They arrive at Pen Y Pass after a 2 hour drive during which Brian shared some of his water with his wife. Brian is literally a virus incubator right now and if she hasn’t breathed in the virus, she’s covered in it, it’s only a matter of time. Brian pays his £10 parking charge using the machine and off he goes. There’s lots of lovely virus on the machine now, waiting for the next person...and the next...and the next. Brian and his wife decide to take the PYG track and it’s really busy. It’s so busy in fact that on the way up he has to wait in a queue to go over the stile at the Crib Goch junction. Brian isn’t wearing gloves today because the weather is nice and walking keeps you warm. He’s feeling a little more fatigued than usual though. Over the stile they both go, innocently shedding virus as they do. He’s sweating quite a bit and keeps wiping his face with his hand. At several points they have to put their hands on rock, the same rocks everyone else has to. Finally though, they get to the top, yay! They both have to wait in another queue to get onto the summit trig, which they touch, because it’s a kind of ritual. They don’t think about the 1000 other people who will do the same after them today. On the way down Brian’s wife takes a little tumble and twists her ankle. Mike, a local, comes over to offer assistance, which Is gratefully accepted. Mike and Brian support Brian’s wife to the bottom, Brian shake Mikes hand and they depart. Under normal circumstances Brian would take his wife to a minor injuries clinic, but they know the NHS is under strain because of the virus, it’s probably only a light sprain anyway, so they dont bother, they’re doing their bit to help by not going to hospital. Brian doesn’t know that he’s just infected countless people, and they don’t know either. Brian thinks what he is doing wont harm anyone and he goes home really happy with himself that he’s only doing what the government told him to do.
On the way home he really begins to feel rough but thinks he’s tired from the walk, so he stops for a coffee at the Shell garage in Betws Y Coed and gets himself a costa express coffee. After he’s chosen his drink using his bare hands on the touch screen, he uses some hand gel, because, he doesn’t want to catch the virus! He’s a responsible citizen though, so he keeps his distance from everyone else in the shop, 2 metres!
Brian has no idea he’s just unleashed a plague on North Wales in spectacular fashion.
Stay at home folks. Don’t be Brian. Or a badbadleroybrown.
this is kind of sht that makes people go “you know what? - f*ck it! I’ll go out and lick the hand rail in the subway”. You will cause the exact reaction Like ehen people who got pisses off about everyone getting quiet about Charlie Hebdo organized “Draw Mohammed” contest.
Yeah some people are stupid, but way more people hate it when you talk to them as if they were mentally handicapped. Oh well, babadleroy surely loves your touching story, he’ll surely give you a review
Don't be a highdh and copy/paste stupid things you find online, unleasing a plague of stupidity and misinformation in all the forums you frequent.
That wasn't the polar opposite to my statement in any way, it was just idiocy thar folks like you read online and believe because you're not smart enough to know any better and the only point served by that blob of insanely stupid copy pasta was to perfectly illustrate my point; that you idiot's are driven by fear from hysteria and misinformation not based in reality.
And as for people happily accepting to go tens of thousands in debt just to get the treatment they need to get through this, as Troy suggests? How can you reconcile the concept of the "land of the free" with almost universal enslavement to money lenders, which seems to be the preferred model in America. It's quite interesting that the average Joe would rather be owned by a bank than helped by a government. Neat mind trick they pulled.
Ultimately, it's all about perspective, luck and choice, or lack thereof.
I have to assume there will be some in jail for her. The warrant is imminent.
As for non-Trump fans? Well, we do not hire them (pretty much anywhere in this city). One fool was brave and put some Sanders signs in his yard....his neighbors now have GIANT Trump signs (I am sure he won't be invited to the block party). ZERO tolerance for liberals, zero, and yes, we get rid of them in the work place (if someone screws up and hires them). Oh, and I am not sure how many Trump supporters near me are not armed day to day, all day, every day. In general, we are not a "scared" class.
" As for non-Trump fans? Well, we do not hire them (pretty much anywhere in this city). One fool was brave and put some Sanders signs in his yard....his neighbors now have GIANT Trump signs (I am sure he won't be invited to the block party). ZERO tolerance for liberals, zero, and yes, we get rid of them in the work place (if someone screws up and hires them). Oh, and I am not sure how many Trump supporters near me are not armed day to day, all day, every day. In general, we are not a "scared" class."
Team politics are more important than qualifications/competence? Gross. Unamerican. You should be embarrassed that you're a partisan idiot, not bragging about your myopia on a mtb website. Get your dumb shit out of here.
$1000
Nicely done
Bonus points for following up your first fail with a repeat where you question the "pitiful irony" of maintaining discussion with me while maintaining discussion with me. You're on a roll...
Best system on the planet, US WILL SOLVE THIS WITHIN WEEKS. Going to go ride and then stop and get lunch on the way home.
Liberals are morons as you can tell by reading their comments here, pathetic
Seriously, leave politics out of this and just stick to supporting the science that’s going to end this problem. There are some positive research on some of the anti-virals, but it’s going to take time to define a good treatment program and still a year plus before a vaccine makes it’s way through clinical trials.
The majority of MD's who I work with are staunchly conservative, more so when brining up fiasco such as Obummer care. There are a couple less when dealing with non-specialist folks, PCP or rural health PCP where a majority of their patients are in exchange programs. The MD's who are PCP are not at all unlike others who rely on government programs, they survive on the scaps and barely make ends meet. Simply, some MD at the "Free Clinic" is either there by their own choice, or due to the fact that their skillset gets them into a position that most MD's do not want (or envy).
NP will in general be of the mindset of the indigant care MD's, but, even in the best of times THEY are not getting sued, the MD they work under does (due to their actions). Most of the time a lawyer will not even take a case against an NP for a thing as the NP and their insurance does not have the money, nor the coverage to make it worth their time. The same is true in European and Candian style markets, first off, hard to sue a doctor, second, LOSER PAYS (that is about the only thing the Euro's do get right).
So, if I were Huff, and I wanted to create a poll of who thought what....do I go to an advanced center in a rrich neighborhood and ask the MD, FACS or folks who are cash pay? Hell no! I got to some clinic for the homeless and ask them their thoughts. On the same pretense, I can convince you that cutting off your own penis is with out question, the best option. All that I need to vary is the other options.
You know a large part of the bio-tech industry in the US is in Silicon Valley? So it’s not just liberals, it’s San Francisco liberals working to save your life, this country, and the economy.
So a test gets released a day after I made my comment, how does that make my comment wrong?
We chose not to use the ready to go test that took a lot shorter time to get results and was ready to use. This delayed widespread testing and made results slower to get back to those tested, 6 days in at least one case.
I'm glad that there is a new fast test, but it doesn't change the past. I hope that our healthcare system does way better than Europe's, but there are few experts that are predicting that there will be huge differences. The best thing that north Americans have going for us is that we are super spread out.
We will see what happens.
More and more I never wonder why it is I never hire apathetic liberals.
Come on back and try again when you can manage to actually use words that fit the description you're looking for in your sad little attempts at witty insult.
calvin coolidge
Not sure why but all of your posts made me think of this.
Someone after meeting Troy.
Confirmed
www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data
At first I Thought you were just an arrogant prick(Which I am ok with) But now you just kind of seem like you are looking for attention(which is sad).
As for periods; terminal punctuation such as exclamation points, periods, and question marks go inside quotes when that terminal punctuation is attached to the quoted phrase or statement. When the quoted text is a singular word, phrase, or statement disassociated from the terminal punctuation then it goes outside the quotation marks.
... and literally nothing says basic douche more than trolling someone's profile in a desperate attempt to save face after they've repeatedly made you look stupid. Sign off pinkbike and find a GED course at your local night school, cupcake.
And no, I neither want nor need your attention... but you pinkbike kids always get your panties knotted up over facts and it's good fun watching you fall over yourselves trying to attack me because I dared you to think for yourselves instead of blindly buying the propaganda you're fed.
Unfortunately you have Trump upfront, so science and facts are ignored, but reality won't be. He can't just keep blaming this on China. Even the staunchest Trump supporters will see through it when they lose loved ones.
Luckily, most Americans aren't like you and the other two or three f*ckwits on here, who are badly losing their lame argument. The racist and bigot @RoadStain should be banned for some of his comments. He is a shit human.
First, working in healthcare most of the folks I work with and I have already decided that if things get "that bad" then screw em. Simply, we will not go to the facilities nor see patients. I happen to have a few months of food. Collectively, we are a VERY well-armed society, Bring it on. I will set "I am Legend" on auto-repeat on the DVR.
As for the rest of the world? I really could not give a f*ck less. Especially any Socialist or Communist country.
pit waiting for Habibi to pop in with AK47 shouting Corona Ackbar. The picture of Chris Kyle over your head won’t help with this big cross sectional area of your body.
The only real facts in your posts are you are unable to write anything without insulting people. Through all of your education you seemed to have missed the human decency course. I hope you find better ways of feeling good about yourself.
Human decency is a contradiction in terms, humans are responsible for the sum total of indecent acts throughout history. Implying that there's some inherent level of decency appropriate for all humanity is absurd... we've got shitsacks like Waki here telling me to kill myself and you're bothered that I'm calling people idiots and puppets for unquestioningly accepting a narrative that infringes upon basic freedoms?
Also, you, in general, do not hear rants about the LEGAL AR15....heck, it is just a .223, itty bitty gun. Those are for housewives and pre-pubescent first time shooters.
Don't get your feelings hurt, I didn't call you a piece of shit because you're autistic... I called you a piece of shit regardless of your autism. That's equality buddy, just treating you the way I'd treat anyone else who was a piece of shit, your autism isn't an excuse for being a peeve of shit.
And I legit dare you to find the balls to come try and punch me..
@badbadleroybrown: Can we ban badbadleroybrown for spreading misinformation? He's already contradicted himself several times and has begun to source unverified articles. I think he's trying to get a rise out of people.
Typical liberal snowflake, facts hurt your feelings so you want to ban them.
Stanford is considered a conservative university. Google the Hoover Institute.
Roughly 1% of Stanford students and faculty identify as conservative, less than two months ago more than a dozen professors published a statement attacking the Hoover institute, and a month ago the Stanford Daily published an article entitled "Do conservatives belong at Stanford" which, in its defense, was actually fairly balanced... but the fact that such a question could even be asked thoroughly refutes your idiotic assertion that it's considered a conservative university.
....for baseball camp.
Yes, quite the coven of evil.
I get it, it's very obvious that you're a radical leftist outraged by the foundational values of this nation and a straight up moron, no need to work so hard proving it.
Dang bro, you Googled the heck out of that! You are a tremendous Googler You'll do a fine job Googling - the greatest!
And no worries on my blood pressure, all my numbers are spot on... 110/72. You lot are the ones getting worked up over the hysteria, I'm muy tranquillo
Please and thanks
"You'll feel plenty stupid a year from now when everything is fine and millions upon millions of people didn't die..."
Really hoping this "becomes" fact.
Jesus man. Stop being a little c@nt. Every time I log on to pinkbike I’ve got about 50 notifications and it’s still you banging your keyboard.
Practice what you preach. Get on your bike and do some riding. You’ve been wasting hours here.
PS - if it takes you "hours" to respond to comments on pinkbike, you're doing it wrong.
What do you think of Obamacare?
Not seeing the irony of this, hey?
Isn't you grabber in chief about to reopen America for business, killing tens of thousands just to reopen Mar-a-lago?
Pelosi on the other hand, has consistently voted against policies that would benefit the American people, long before Trump had any role in politics.
If you wanna talk irony, it's folks like Pelosi and Schumer with 70+ combined years in office blaming Trump for the state of the country when he's been in office for 3 years. Sad part of that irony is idiot's like you being dumb enough to believe them.
ok let's have another look at your American casualties in a few weeks.
Of course it saves lives, you moron.
Let's add a few words I'm sure you love, just to make you go to bed happy.
Gun control.
Abortion.
Mexicans.
EV.
Obama.
Muslims.
Veganism.
Science.
Critical thinking.
CNN.
Feminism.
On that note, I'm out, over to someone else to keep you triggered ????????
Sounds legit...
It really is impressive just how much you get wrong about me given your level of obsession and the effort you've devoted to trying to think you know anything about me.
I choose to perceive that Aaron Gwin won the 2019 DH WC. Does that make it reality? Would I just need someone to agree with me to make it reality?
Point being, in many cases reality is just reality, it doesn't depend on how a certain individual perceives it. Down is down, the sky is blue, most things in life are like this. It is not political to agree that Aaron Gwin did not win the 2019 WC, why are other things, that are also just facts, viewed as political or depending upon an individuals perception?
This is an honest question by the way, one of these questions that keeps me up from time to time.
TLDR:
"The challenge we face with our own thinking, as well as the thinking of others, is how to ensure that perceptions remain close to reality. This alignment is essential for us to live in the real world, find consensus with others, and maintain the individual, governmental, and societal structures that are necessary for life as we know it to exist."
This has become next to impossible with the tribal epistemology of the current era, ie: "alternative facts" vs actual facts
Were you at school with either of the guys behind South Park by any chance?
I still don't understand how if you look at the statistics you wouldn't think that the reactions are justified. I think all would agree that what is going on in Italy right now is terrible and that if we can avoid that outcome, we should. There is a simple chart in this article that shows we are on a very similar course as they are.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/future-perfect/2020/3/20/21179040/coronavirus-us-italy-not-overreacting
Now you can say that the US is the best, therefore we will just do some magic stuff and it will all get better. But so far we are just 8 days behind Italy, statistically speaking. If we do pull off some magic, myself and likely everyone else will be ecstatic, I will admit that the "fear mongering" worked on me and be even more sceptical in the future(BTW this is the first time, in my over 40 years, I have ever felt unsafe in the US). If the US doesn't pull off some sort of miracle though, what will your reaction be?
I wouldn't just believe some random person though, so your point is moot without a specific setup.
You have a confusing combination of things in your statement. "Mass hype and hysteria...hope everyone comes through this okay...but that will probably not be the case." So you are believing the hype and expect some to die(which is already happening)?
I think that what you and BBLB are really saying is that you've done some calculations in your head and decided that if the economy get damaged by some particular amount(down 25% or something, IDK) and that only saves 25,000 lives, that the reaction wasn't worth it. You should just type your numbers out and end the discussion. I don't know how to format that but perhaps:
If the reaction damages the economy more than 1% per 10,000 lives saved then it wasn't worth it.
Fill in your numbers after you have put a dollar figure on human life.
Just for arguments sake, let's assume we're in the same boat... If I told you that you had a 0.1% chance of waking up a billionaire tomorrow, you wouldn't put a down payment on a yacht today... but a 0.1% chance of catching COVID and you're gonna go full panic mode?
Just speechless... So you are saying that they have it under control and there are no new infections or deaths expected?
No, clearly that isn't true. If we use your method of calculating risk, there was a 0% chance that anyone outside of China would be infected, or killed, looking at the #'s in the beginning of January.
The rate of infection has continued to climb in Italy and in the US. Perhaps something will slow it down, but nothing has yet. So you using current figures of known cases and coming up with your .1% infected and .01% deathrate has no relevance here at all.
Will a lot more people die in Italy? Yes.
Will a lot more people die in the US? Yes.
How many people should die to protect your 401k from a temporary drop of a few more percentage points?
Oh don't worry about having to see them suffer and die. No one will be allowed into the areas where the people that have coronavirus are doing the dieing, because using up valuable PPE will not be a good use of resources.
At least you put a number on it, 1,000,000 people temporarily out of work > 1,000 people dead. So right now we are at perhaps 4,000,000 unemployed because of this and 900 dead, we can just keep track and see how your balance sheet works out in the end.
Yes, more people will die... no, enough people to reach a statistically significant threshold justifying the hysterics will not die.
And my 401k has nothing to do with it... in fact, I'm up almost 40% in March alone... 5% today.
What this has to do with is the millions of people who are being laid off, businesses where they work potentially failing, families missing their mortgage payments, homes being foreclosed on... none of these things apply to me personally and it's sad that, for all the talk of human decency and feigned compassion being thrown about, that none of you seem to care about that reality.
And if we're talking numbers, I was just throwing out 1,000,000:1000 as a random example. My own tolerance would be far far higher than that. Shit, depending upon the individuals, I wouldn't even be overly upset with a 1:1 ratio. Most people these days are just taking up space and wasting resources, for all folks want to bitch about the ills of the world none are more pressing than overpopulation. Wanna fix climate change, a few million fewer humans is a damn good way to start. Sadly, this isn't gonna be that bad.
If what you've taken away from any of this is that I care in any way how people on the internet see me, then you really haven't been paying attention.
If we don't curb infection rates by continuing drastic measures in the next few weeks, we're looking at losing 0.33% of world population by April 15th.
That's like 500 million infected, 25 million dead. 1/3 as bad as WWII. 3 weeks from now.
COVID-19 infections are still increasing at an exponential rate, doubling every few days, except in countries where they locked down early. (China, S. Korea). Hong Kong is seeing its 2nd wave.
Some gross misinterpretations of the stats here throughout this thread, in general.
It's foolish to calculate mortality rate by dividing current deaths by total population in any country, while only a small fraction of every country's population has been exposed.
Here's a decent source for infections and mortality rate.
www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates
Look at the countries with large sample numbers
- Italy: 9% mortality rate (likely greater than world average, due to old population)
- Spain: 7% morality rate
- China: 4% mortality rate (possibly under-reporting numbers; they did this early on at least)
- USA: 1.4% mortality rate (also possible under-reporting; poor testing; fairly early in our exposure)
While a broad economic shutdown may do more aggregate damage to humanity than to-date COVID-19 deaths have done, we haven't seen anything yet. The expected damage by COVID-19 looks significant if projected forward.
Either you are completely ignorant or just acting completely ignorant. Using the infection rate and death toll numbers up through today and then trying to say that there is an infection rate of .1% is a totally worthless number. You have to look at the trend, and the trend says with our totally lax attitude that we have currently, a huge % of people will catch this without some further intervention.
Nobody I have heard talking about these measures glosses over the fact that it will hurt the economy. It will hurt, for sure, but then it will get better. Most people have decided that choosing people dying over some dollars is a pretty simple decision, most people choose having less people die.
You have decided that if 1 person living costs 1 job, then let that person die, if they do not meet your standards. So let me ask you this about some that have died, since you feel you should be judge of the world. How many jobs was the well known 58 year old restauranteur that died today worth? How many jobs was the thirty something healthcare worker that died last weekend in her apartment after waiting for 3 days for her test to come back worth? How many jobs was the famous musician that died in Paris worth? How many jobs are each of the Italian healthcare workers that have died so far worth(unfortunately there will be more since almost 10% of those infected are healthcare workers)?
You are just a person that is hard for me to accept exists. To paraphrase you "We are overpopulated, so too bad this won't kill a few million..." Well keep thinking it is no big deal and we might just meet your goal.
And those mortality rates are based upon the number of infected individuals not population. Like I said... 0.1% of Italy is infected, 0.01% has died. Even if that number increased 10x its still minor and the whole "we haven't seen anything yet" argument is exactly the brainless hysteria causing issues.
The world isn't running out of people any time soon.
You don't even represent your ridiculous stats right. 0.1% of the Italian population, that has been tested, is infected. That has nearly nothing to do with how many are infected and nothing to do with how many will be infected. Are you this dim, or are you playing it up?
What were you saying about dim?
I realized that I didn't write that the way I meant, and I knew you would choose to be dull about it. Italy has over 74,000 cases out of about 240,000 tests conducted. Why do you keep bringing in the entire population of Italy it is irrelevant, just like your .1 or .123 number.
Just like a good conspiracy theorist you decided to focus on the easy jab instead of the real information.
Anyway you have already said the most telling thing, that you are more than fine with the death of those that are not deemed worthy, in your opinion. So I'm out, and I hope to never meet you.
The only people getting tested are people who feel like shit and think they need to get tested so of course a large percentage of those tested show positive... you'd have to be an idiot to try and infer some significance from that. Without some stochastic testing there's nothing to be derived from looking at the test population. That you don't understand that only underscores how incapable you are of independent, critical thought on this matter.
Fun times!
"Like I said... 0.1% of Italy is infected, 0.01% has died. Even if that number increased 10x ..."
Do you understand exponential curves?
A statistic that doubles every two days will be >10x in 7 days. So... check back next week? Italy may have lost 0.1% by then. Unless, as lots of people are saying, we take drastic measures which will hurt wallets.
Unfortunately everyone that will die in 5 days has it now, so our actions today won't change anything for at least 2 weeks.
Any improvements in tomorrow's numbers will have been due to measures taken just around the time Trump declared a national emergency in the US on 3/13.
Interesting read supporting the position that the hysteria is overplayed and that herd immunity is already significant.
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b
January: Not yet
Febuary: Not yet
March: Give them a taste
April: hold it
May: GO! GO! GO!
June: Bike park opening had been delayed due to late season storms
Nooooooooo!
On the plus side it’s good for climate change and may change how people behave long term.
Catabolic Capitalismi indeed.
Europes experience is that failing to act swiftly and decisively and instigate mass testing leads to the rapid spread and increase in infection rates.Followed by the collapse of critical emergency care.
Americas response is to go on spring break and talk about exciting new healthcare insurance products.
a bunch of rorschach wannabes fighting over the scraps of a dying empire...this should be interesting.
I'm laid off, cant see my gf cause she has to work and my mom is an at risk patient. Until there is an actual reason I shouldn't mtb I'm going to. If I lived in Italy my bike would be away like everyone else's.
So to throw out a random dumb generalization people like you are why there are no toilet paper in stores.
Seriously I could be your Pinkbike comments coach. I can help you help yourself.
Worse cos panic buyers bought all the fruit and veg for the second day in a row.
Constantly having to do a completely different menu for gluten free people.
But now i go to the grocery store and all the bread is gone bagels rolls hotdog buns.
Nothing left.
So I go to the flour baking powder isle. Guess what?
Nothing left.
Im self employed and customers are cancelling jobs. I'm entitled to £94 a week...
Will look at the UC.
www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1257701/martin-lewis-mortgage-holidays
We know that while COVID-19 is far from "just the fu", a significant number of cases do have mild symptoms. The problem is that in much of the United States, if you have mild symptoms and don't have a known contact with a COVID-19 infected individual, you're not eligible for testing. Which means that there are a good number of people sick with COVID-19, who if they showed up at their doctor's office or a drive through , wouldn't be given a test because their symptoms don't qualify them for one of the limited number of tests available.
There are two methods that have been shown to be effective so far: China's authoritarian "Shut Everything Down" method, and South Korea's "Test All the People and Use Technology" method.
To get there, South Korea tests about 15k people every day. In the US, with a population more than 6x bigger than South Korea, had tested a total of about 41k people total on Tuesday.
The best analogy I've heard is that trying to fight COVID-19 without proper testing is like trying to do surgery with the lights of.
We have no idea how many are positive in the USA.
Because there is no testing its just out there multiplying. I think in the next 6-10 days shit will hit the fan.
Please everyone do everything you can to slow the transmission.
Fun fact: I’ve measured my heart rate while riding my other 2 mountain bikes and it’s the same exact average. The ebike just allows me to do more riding in the same period of time, exerting the same level of energy. If you want to go more slow uphill, cool. I still do that in in addition to ebike and YZ250 rides.
Just go ride and be happy.
The largest problem that most have with e-bikes is in your statement about them, "I can do 3 downhills in the time it takes to do 1".
That means you are producing 3x the wear on the trails. If you and other e-bike riders are contributing 3x the effort into trail maintenance, awesome, no worries about the increase in trail usage. But the concern is that the majority of e-bike users contribute to trail maintenance at no higher rate than another user, while also contributing to trail congestion at 3x the rate of other trail users.
I personally understand the attraction of e-bikes, for those that are looking to get a bunch of runs in on the downhill, or people that are somehow impaired and couldn't enjoy trails otherwise, an e-bike is a great option.
For me the downs are great fun, but my favorite part of my rides is the whole ride and the amount of time I'm on my bike, not the number of miles or the number of vertical feet decended. E-bikes hold no attraction to me because of that, they just sound like more stuff on my bike to maintain and a heavier bike to maneuver onto the bike rack, or down the hill.
I'm not on either side of the fence, don't have an e-bike nor want one at the moment. However, nearly all arguments I've heard against e-bikes seem flawed to me. What strikes me here on this website is that people seem to go mental about e-bikes whereas videos about helibiking seem to be appreciated. Whereas to me it seems that those heli-riders don't do trail maintenance at that altitude and the damage vulnerable nature. Not just trail erosion but also as the higher alpine is just a different ecosystem and carrying lower altitude dirt and seeds up there messes things up. If this behavior isn't getting any stick, I don't see how riding bikes with pedal assist should.
Just today in town apparently the police fined a local girl on the national ski team who was training on a bike and they were up on the hill on skimobiles cracking down on the touring.
When the hospitals are completely overrun and are already having to turn away patients that need life saving treatment, it probably makes sense to tell everyone that they are not allowed to do risky activity. We are not there quite yet, but it looks like we will be shortly.
My wife may kill me if she is stuck with me for to long.
That being said accidents can happen in your household as well. Be safe doing whatever you do.
Another note. I have not seen anything regarding any side effects of this virus on pregnancies or baby development. Maybe best not to do any bedroom sports as well. We don't want to see a generation of Zica type babies.
The economic impact on our town is going to be massive, I hope they develop a vaccine or treatment drug soon. Good luck to all the small business owners out there! I plan on surviving this but it is going to really stretch me financially.
The riders at our main park (Santos) are so many that we are parking in grass and whatnot, much like every day is an event weekend. By nature, there is separation in our proximity (most of the time).
Seriously, this does feel as if there is some Illuminati world power trying to evoke a worldwide panic. I just decided that just before this blows over the news will have "oh, and aliens are real" and it will be a second run story.
I have to explain all this craziness to my kids and not trigger unreasonable fear.
And my wife is a nurse who will stand firmly on the front lines of this, whatever it becomes.
Everything else is moot.
Also, maybe I'm a homebody/hermit, but my lifestyle hasn't changed much. I already barely ever eat out (maybe once a month), don't really travel much, and don't watch sports as my primary entertainment. And because my employment is stable, my purchasing isn't changing, so no financial lifestyle changes yet. So far we don't have a state lockdown (PNW here), and so I'm headed out riding in about 2 hours (Duthie ftw).
I expect this thing will peak in the next month or so (two weeks of incubation time means a lag time where infections can still rise even after lockdowns are in place). But I doubt that things will truly return to "normal" until school starts again in the fall.
Stay safe out there everyone
Lots of industries are hit hard, but restaurants (that operate on thin margins at the best of times) are absolutely screwed. My wife and I just made a plan to do "to go" meals from our local favorite restaurants as much as our finances allow, to help make sure they're still here when this thing dies down.
Not a bad idea. Good suggestion.
I do think the longer term impact is going to be the economic one, by far.
And, I realize maybe I came off sounding boastful :/. Not the intent, just expressing that I feel grateful for my situation. But I realize others aren't as fortunate, which sucks
First, you have to admit that on a personal level, any death is sad. Even if COVID takes a 90-year old grandparent away a few months before something else might have, that can cause incredible sadness for those who die, and their loved ones.
And, COVID-19 has definitely caused some deaths in younger, otherwise healthy populations. Those are, of course, tragic and impossible to quantify on an economic scale. If you asked me to value the life of one of my loved ones, the answer would be "All the money in the world, forever."
But of course, we live in a world where life has risk, and no-one gets out alive. We take risks every day, whether it's increasing our risk of cancer by having a drink, driving a vehicle, riding our bikes, or shaking someone's hand. As a society, we recognize that risk is part of life, and has to be appropriately balanced.
The big challenge of COVID-19 is that we really don't know what the risk is yet. There are reasons to be hopeful that it may be relatively low ( such as this article from a Stanford epidemiologist: www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data ) - but of course plenty of evidence to the contrary (aka, Italy, and nursing homes where 43% of the infected patient population died).
There are also studies that show that economic hardship causes increased rates of mortality, and lowered life expectancy.
But, until we really understand how much of a danger COVID-19 is, we really can't do the math on the human cost of economic hardship, vs. the human cost of continuing "life as normal" and letting the virus spread with limited social distancing measures.
Obviously, the best response would have been intelligent, targeted and comprehensive measures like Singapore and South Korea have taken, that have been effective in severely slowing spread while allowing much of daily economic life to continue unchecked. But, most of the Western world seems to have missed that opportunity.
Here is better not to ride to avoid possibilities of stupid injuries or some worse .
I hope it will end soon. Now me, my family and friends of mine are closed at home :S
because it was made in China, next question --
classic
Might have to close our Primo Hoagie store because of this and Pedal Shop has taken a super hard hit as well.
Worse part, the younger generation see this as nothing more than a huge inconvenience when they take the time to look up from their phones ... they have no idea how bad this is going to hit them in the long run
I did hear that that Apple raised the bar, now the slave girls need to be at least 8 before working in the iPhone factory.
I have been to China (got bit by a Panda bear in Chengdu). Yep, most of it is exactly what Trump said much of the world is. A shit hole (went for IronMan China). Stayed to enjoy the communism!
What is stunning to me, thinking that you may possibly really be in China if so, there is NO question that you are not allowed to have anything negative to say about China, it is much like what we here in the Free World call "Fight Club", China, oddly has the exact same first rule.
As for wars, MUCH rather fight them "over there" then "over here". We happen to carry a very, very long stick. The BEST thing about this fiasco that did factually start in China, maybe now more people in the US will be a tad more willing to pay for "Made in the USA" (or Canada, or Europe). For me, anything but "Made in China" when at all possible (Germany and Italy for cars, thank you).
Chinese are not too blame but please stop diffusing Chinese propaganda. The pandemic started in China, and the Chinese government made their priority to stop at all cost the propagation within China, and it worked. Good for them.
On the other hand the Chinese government did nothing to prevent propagation outside of China, and kept hidden the existence of a starting epidemic till end of December, delaying the response of WHO and countries HOs.
Trump is a moron, but China has a big responsibility and will have to answer for it.
They get to own this. SCREW ups (this and everytime) in the Government. But, at least the Chinese in the US are clean, nice people...unlike the Middle East terrorists.
And other countries just sit and watch the whole thing for more than a month before taking any action. Even now there are few people wearing masks in Europe and America. And Asian people even got beat up just because they wear masks! Don't you think that's freaking ridiculous and unbelievable? So as a reminder, please remember to wear a damn mask and stay at home. Don't go out just because you want to jogging, or breathing fresh air, or walking your dogs like those stupid ones did.
Of course it would have been better if the UE governments adopted strong measures earlier and if people were less selfish and had more common sense.
But it's a pretty weak defense to blame people and countries that had no clue how bad it was since China did not communicate and actively censored all relevant information that could have convinced people and governments how bad it was gonna be.
Now I didn't blame the Chinese but as you not so subtly imply it is our own fault if we euros get sick I can also play this game.
In early January the Chinese restaurant down my street was still open, and I saw only 3 Chinese tourists coming out of the Chinese tourist bus wearing masks. All the old Chinese tourist men made sure of spitting on the ground as they always do. "Don't you think it's fricking ridiculous and unbelievable ?"
The number of dead does not give the full picture.
The best thing we can do, as citizens of the world, is stay healthy and out of the health care system. My wife and I are self-isolating (but I ride daily on our near-empty local trails). It's hard on her, but not as much on me. My personality facilitates social distancing.
Also, where is the option for "I'm planning to self-isolate in the woods with a bike, a shelter and some trail-building tools?
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If that's the same elsewhere, reckon there'll be a fair few people changing their tune from "I'll never ride an ebike" to "...might demo an ebike"
Considered it myself, but it's a bit on the pricey side. Should've guessed really.
No one I work with is concerned at all.
So far we have not seen or heard of a case of the virus near us.with a population of over 7 million in the bay area the death and infection rate is super low right now.
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-19/coronavirus-in-young-people-is-it-dangerous-data-show-it-can-be
Obviously this story should be discounted as media scaremongering, nothing to worry about, carry on as normal. Governments are taking these unprecedented steps just for the fun of it. Or maybe so they can stand back and laugh at all us sheeple.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/20/us/coronavirus-model-us-outbreak.html?fbclid=IwAR0iflfM4vJ3BRaQJvtqDPkUJEg0RGrQ9GVeI4E2r98GpP5FgOZFnr7x-yo
BUT we are allowed to go out and exercise, and the forest will be open here in Rotorua. So ironically I will probably do far more riding than usual for the next month. Time to work off some that dad-bod.
Biking and mountain sports currently not allowed here, so I won't bother with buying one of the bikes i have in mind right now, but wait for the situation to stabilized instead
I last rode my bike Tuesday (thug life i know LOL), and the police kindly told me that it's not allowed to do any sports outside (I've been alone) It really sucks goddammit I wanna SEND .
no
(I wish tho)
And just a note on the seasonal answers to the final question, you do have people from the southern hemisphere using this website.
But I think this will pass within a few weeks, what the world will look like on the other side is my main concern.
It could help someone pay rent for a month or two until work picks up.
I'm tempted to pick up a new bike for some riding away from the pump track, jumps, and skate parks in the area.
I've signed up to race in the Redbull Pumptrack qualifier in August, so I'm keeping my eyes out for any news/updates around that race series.
a ) a little less
b) a little more
c) a lot less
d) a lot more
e ) i prefer 3 somes
"Are the actions taken too extreme for the risks"
People could answer rationally without concern for the abuse that comes when voicing an alternative opinion.
Remember - DO NOT spin-then-stop your wheel with your hand (you'll learn fast).
Leave plenty of wiggle room and check frame clearance for wheel/frame flex!!
And please don't let that bike land on you when you crash
Plus, not like I was planning this.
This isn't about taking away your right to freedom or to ride a bike. This is about doing what's best for everyone and and being smart. Grab your single speed and go follow your 5 year old around the neighborhood. I sure as hell still am. Tokul, Tiger, and Duthie will be there when the times are right.
Be smart and be safe people!
Now I'm confused do we ride our bike or not? Or do we just ride what you assume is safe to ride, a single speed.
I am convinced that Americans think there is only one country
PB is (officially anyway) canadian tho...
bitter sweet this C19
lets never forget, the reason why there is a shortage of hospitals, beds and doctors and medical devices is due to the 'con certificate of need state laws' . this needs to be repealed IMMEDIATELY!
I assume you were saying Tastes like a Session (beer).
Live your lives, wash your hands... stop letting the government make you panic.
I'm actually shocked that we haven't gotten a shelter in place order yet here in Washington. Probably this weekend...
You can do all the hand wringing you want, let your government tell you to surrender your freedom for a statistically moderate viral outbreak, and panic over the media's proclamations of doom... I'll be riding my bike, going to the beach, and enjoying my life as usual.
PS - Funny how you wanna cry about Trump when even far left liberals with any brain are admitting his response to covid has been both effective and appropriate. Stop listening to the propaganda and start getting some facts.
I don't know if stay at home orders are not lawful or not.
One could argue that our Declaration of Independence sets a presidence of our right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The 14th amendment also says that "no state can deprive any person of life..." Which can be interpreted to mean that the states must protect the lives of its citizens.
So if the government is trying to protect Life, by trying to gain more time to add capacity to the healthcare system, before this disease totally overwhelms the system, they are doing just that, protecting life, and therefore the restrictions on non-essential movement are legal.
If you are running under the impression that this is an overhyped situation and everything will be fine... I hope that you are right and all the experts are wrong.
Statistically moderate is an interesting way to interpret the numbers experts are talking about.
Without some huge intervention some experts are projecting up to 2.2 million deaths in the US. So yes, less than 1%, but perhaps we should make some moves to change that number. The calculators I've seen project about 100,000 deaths here in Washington state. That will radically alter my state and the country.
This is a slightly worse occurrence of SARS for lack of a better modern comparative outbreak.
Wash your hands, don't go out if you're sick, don't go to concerts and rub shoulders with strangers breathing and sweating on one another all night, stay out of night clubs... use common sense. But don't believe the hype that you need to stop your life and lock yourself inside.
If it is half as bad as they are predicting and only kills 1 million, that is still pretty bad and we should do a lot to protect against that. What is the government doing that is as bad as killing 1 million people? Even if we say it will be one tenth as bad as predicted, what is the government doing that is as bad as killing 100,000 people?
SARS infected 8 people in the US and killed 0 people in the US, how is that something to compare it to?
SARS was the last Coronavirus... they're extremely similar in terms of virology and immunology. This one is a bit more robust and virulent but they're not dissimilar.
Those numbers where US only deathrates. Experts predict up to 2 million deaths in the US. If you just choose to think it will be one tenth as bad, then 4.4 million people die worldwide.
Look at Italy, still in the upswing of the disease and they had 627 deaths yesterday. In my opinion it is worth a temporary inconvenience and temporary loss of economic growth to save a few million lives
Not having bad symptoms and then spreading it all over is a really big problem.
Try this out for some light reading.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-outcomes.amp.html
Okay, so where do you get any of your information. I am getting a little freaked out by all the experts saying the same thing.
I mean it's really not that complicated, even if you look at the projected worst case scenarios being pushed in media hysterics it amounts to a statistically insignificant reach. That's what media does, they frame things in a manner that dramatizes the situation because folks aren't tuning in every day just to hear that everything is fine.
There's zero chance that this kills two million Americans but, even if it killed four million in just the US that's still just overt 1% of the population. This is nature and the inevitable outcome of global overpopulation... the panic is really a symptom of nothing more than blind ignorance and naivety that's become all too common. But realistically speaking, virtually no one would ever balk at a 99% success rate regardless of risk. I literally cannot count the number of things I've done in my life which had far less than a 99% chance of survival, the idea of getting worked up at a 99% chance of survival because the TV tells me to is anathematic.
And keep in mind that's a blind stat... realistically, if you're not in one of the at risk demographics it's far less than 1% in even the worst case. Realistically speaking, the worst case for the vast majority of the population is spending two weeks with what amounts to a very bad flu, not death. Unless you're walking around licking strangers, chances are you'll be fine.
Well no one is predicting 4 million deaths in America, so that is good.
Look, I really do hope it is overhyped, as my mother, father and younger sister are all in the demographic that has the highest chance of death. I'm not going to count on all the experts being wrong however. I wish others would just listen to the professionals instead of just deciding it will all be fine. Or like your attitude that a few million Americans dying because we didn't want to stay inside for a few weeks is fine.
You are in good company - 56% of Americans see the pandemic as not a real threat www.npr.org/2020/03/17/816501871/poll-as-coronavirus-spreads-fewer-americans-see-pandemic-as-a-real-threat
As an engineer type I understand that when you look at this type of problem, you can't stop at "oh, whatever it is a 99% chance it won't go wrong, no biggie". You have to go to the next step.
If the problem is that 1% of the seats rip after 5 years, or a .5% chance that the brakes will need to be replaced when they are serviced the first time. That sucks and you should probably fix it
Or a .2% chance that someone will get a minor injury in regular use. Well that is a pretty big deal, definitely do drastic action to get that item fixed.
But if something is going to definitely kill .1% of the users, that is totally freakout mode. This is by all reports much worse than that. No sane person operating in a position to work on that problem should say that it isn't a problem and there shouldn't be huge actions taken.
If you live in a more rural area, it will probably fine for a while longer than in major urban areas. I hope that people start taking it more seriously once it is really bad in the urban areas, and start doing more about it.
I honestly don't think it will get to that number, those numbers int he million and up range is based off what we are doing right now and none of the random drugs they are trying right now have any sizeable affect.
I think it will get wildly out of control in the denser populated areas, then people will actually start self isolating and it will slow down the spread. The rural areas will not be hit nearly as hard and not nearly as many people will die as most are predicting. Maybe only 50,000 people die in the US, kinda tapering out at the beginning of June. That is as good as it gets I think though, and I feel like I am being very optimistic based on what the people that actually know stuff are saying
And I never said it isn't a threat, I simply said that the threat is being drastically overblown and the response isn't proportionate to that threat. People will die, lots of people will probably die... but statistically and relatively it is not nearly the threat it's being made out to be.
China was intolerably late to acknowledge the proble. But eventually implemented it. Taiwan, Singapore and Taiwan also implemented all 3 measures and have successfully reduced the rate of case spread.
We have the example of Italy which failed to implement social distancing until 9 days ago and consequently is still at a rate of case spread of 17- 22% per day. Due to the period of time during which Covid is contagious if their measures are successful we should see results in a week.
@badbadleroybrown: troy I dont have the magic number for tradeoffs.
But California (Murietta ref) right now has a case density of 31 cases per 1million persons. We know from Italy that 400 carses per 1million breaks down the health care system. Italy passed that about 6 days ago.
We know that case numbers are poor because US testing protocol and numbers are poor. However let's assume Italy's testing was similarly poor so that we're comparing like for like.
The US rate of case increase is 30% per day implying a double every 3.8 days. Based on that CA hits the Italian case density in 14 days. At that point Italy was triaging hospital patients.
CA would then have these numbers
Cases 24000
Fatalities 960
Requiring ventilators 4800
Because a substantial number of Americans share your sentiment ( the 56% number is 4 days old so is now stale dated but lets use what we have) lets reasonably infer that the likelihood of rate of case increase will stay the same for another 14 days. It's also reasonable to infer that among the significant numbers of Americans that will continue day to day there will be spreaders and super spreaders.
We then have
Cases 384000
Fatalities 15360
Requiring ventilators 76800
If you don't consider that to be statistically significant then what would be? What would arrest the growth rate of the contagion?
People may eventually come around to the idea of social distancing, but I'm afraid it will take things completely going off the rails in the urban centers before people come around. I work in a manufacturing plant just 35 miles from the first case here in the US. There were zero changes in peoples actions through this last week. They finally realized that perhaps we should clean the surfaces of the machine control panels on Thursday. I'm just glad that I actually have an office to myself and were able to at least use best practices to some level.
Stay safe and all the best to you your family and friends. That goes to all. We're all in this together whether we like it or not
I try and refuse all jobs there if possible. Most disgusting stations I work on are are all in sf.
And best wishs to you and your family as well!!!
We've fairly effectively exempted ourselves from natural selection so these situations come as a shock to the system for the general public but it's really neither very surprising nor very alarming in the big picture.
Time will tell who's right and who's wrong but I'm sticking by my assessment, this is being tremendously overplayed.
Here's a good read for some perspective.
www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data
The simple reality is that this is just another virus, and we'll continue to see more like it because of overpopulation. We cannot reasonably stop the world every time something like this comes up or society is going to collapse.
In an ideal scenario I like what Iaonnidis says but if we want better data we'd need (i) a do-nothing control group; (ii) a moderate mitigation group and (iii) a suppression/complete mitigation group. I can't see a way to get the data without major ethical concerns. Also the data we have is so imperfect given how rapidly the situations are moving. I don't know one can now get implement better stochastic methods given the fog of war.
The rational actor in me says that the math warrants exceptional conservative action & looks to use-cases where there has been success and where numbers are somewhat trustworthy to model (Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea). The subjective actor in me (the one terrified for my older parents who are in the critical stage) hopes for the best but plans for the worse.
You take care. Best to your family and friends.
For the different levels of mitigation, it seems like the different approaches taken in different countries counts as that, if you believe the numbers from all countries.
China and South Korea did nearly full mitigation, while western countries have taken the do nearly nothing and then morphed into moderate mitigation(in policy, but not in actuality). Don't know which countries have stuck with do nothing so far.