Russ Mantle, who has ridden one million miles since 1952. Credit: Robert Spanring / Cycling UK
With the advent of Strava and the host of other means to map and record rides it's become much easier to keep track of mileage to brandish for bragging rights, training or even just for personal challenges. But this advent of automized uploading and collating of our ride data doesn't mean you can't keep record the old school way, right?
Russ Mantle, one hell of a chap from England, was the spark for this week's poll question. This year the 82 year old reached the one million mile milestone. One bloody million. It doesn't matter which way you look at it or in which units (just over 1.6 million km), it's an astounding amount of riding over the course of a lifetime. Tip of the cap.
According to the Telegraph article, he's kept records all his life. And his handwritten ride records, started in 1952, include fantastic little details of temperature, wind direction and which lovely little villages he passed through. I find it utterly humbling to read the story of Russ and his quotes and responses depict a man who just got on with it, no grumbling. None more so than when he suffered a heart attack three years ago and now 'only' rides every other day.
Mr Mantle's paper records from 1992 and him racing the National Championships 25 mile Time Trial in 1955.
Converting this number of digits into tangible feats is where it really starts to hit home about how far this bloke rode. He's circumnavigated the Earth 40 times and has done the equivalent of back and forth to the moon, twice! And with a flavour of saving the environment, he's ridden a bike double the amount that your average driver will likely drive in their whole lifetime.
Curious as to how many people know or can speculate how far they've ridden in their lifetime, and as a nod to Russ, this week's question is: "How far have you ridden in your lifetime?"
Most of us haven't kept meticulous records like Russ, but at the very least this might spark some thought into just how far we've each ridden a bike.
And for something a bit more tangible, with it being close to the end of the year and with lots of us logging our riding throughout the year, let's see how far and how high you've climbed in 2019.
One Swedish mile is 10km so that keeps those numbers at bay. Heck, there are a million different types of miles. That's the whole single reason they once introduced this international SI system. For discussions like these on Pinkbike however it is best to stick with imperial. Just to keep the conversation going.
@BEERandSPOKES: we never took the 2008 financial crisis that serious bc we didn’t have one... we never lost our igloos, can’t same the same for a lot of ya down south
I work as an excavator operator. This is how a typical day goes for me. Grade man : "we have to dig a square thats 3 meters by 4 meters and 2 ft deep."
The imperial-SI debate pops up here every once in a while. It would help if everyone who measures tire or suspension pressure in psi and/or talks spring gauge in lbs/inch would just accept that it is just fine working with both systems.
How many mile you ride? alot how many bikes you got? a lot. How many drops have you dropped? a lot How many problems ya solved? a lot
Dig a new trail, dey dont dig them selves~ Roll what ya got cause it do that sh#$. Holler at ya friends, gonna ride or Die! Never wrote no rhymes but I might as well try.
Yeah, it more about the steepness of the ups and the weather. I rode for 5.5 hours on road (60miles) and it was a cakewalk compared to some of my 1 hour mountain bike rides.
Nahh, the real question is the percentage of your lifetime spent in the saddle. Or running hiking whatever.
Then everything becomes relative since you'll never need to be as fast or skillfull as sam hill, greg minaar or nino schurter since they very likely spent a great deal of their life riding 25 - 40h a week which would make 15-24% of their week. If you ride 2-5h a week you can now feel good, since riding is only a part of your life, not your LIFE.
But this Russ Mantle guy is nuts, say he averaged 25km/h 16mph then he rode 64000h say since he was 12. Then he must have ridden EVERY SINGLE LIVING DAY FOR 2.5h and not skipped once. That's now my definition of persistence. And all in those nice English weather conditions, badass.
@Muckal: It was sightseeing vacation pace. Also, there was climbing and I wasn't on a road bike. I was on heavy rental street bike with limited gearing and got a flat. Had to ride the flat for 5 miles to exchange bikes.
@Mattin: Same here, but I live in The Netherlands too. In the past five years I got two 1300 euro commuters and one steel hardtail that might add up to something between 3000 and 4000 euro. Even then I would have paid it off in less than one year, even including maintenance and replacements. Obviously I'm not receiving 1 dollar per km.
@Eli29er: Well it also depends on the kind of bike. My Trail Bike, yeah, I ride mine miles and miles (or kilometres), but I dont get that much distance on my DH. I paid 3k for it, and its gonna be a while before I rode it 3k kilometres.
@Eli29er: How many KMs did you put on your Mountain bike this year?
Average rider keeps his bike for 3-5 years. Lets say their bike was 5000.00 and lets go with 4 years as the average. Thats 1,250 KMs a year on a mountain bike. with the average ride being about 15-16 KMs and taking about 1 hour and 23 minutes on average, you would need to complete 78 rides in a year with a total of 105 hours of on the saddle time to achieve 1250kms a year.... So according to you anyone below these stats in a year is lazy? wut?
@TheBearDen: I've got to admit most of my riding is just commuting. That's already over 22km a workday so this adds up quickly. I think I usually get about 60km a week on the hardtail but again this is The Netherlands. The slow bits are short. Now I'm one to go for very short out of the saddle blasts, maybe four or five times doing laps between 10 and 15 minutes with short breaks in between. I can imagine people here who go on longer more steady seated rides would rack up even longer distances. So in my case I'd have "earned" my hardtail in just over a year and I plan to keep it for well over a decade. As for my BMX though, I go for the occasional pumptrack session that may be less than 3km of riding. Then again that BMX is over fifteen years old for the kind of money people now spend on a seatpost. But yeah people who compete need to spend a lot of money on their bike yet they won't ride long distances. Especially people who compete in DH, 4X or pumptrack racing.
@CircusMaximus: Uh, maybe not. I thought the OP meant, "King of the Mountain" trophies on Strava. If they are "Kilometers," then yes, I've paid mine off. Barely.
These numbers will be very different depending on whether a person rides mostly mtb or mostly road. Hours of good times is my yardstick.
I mean meterstick.
true, however, less than 1000km per year means these people spend somewhere around 10 hours on a bike per month. I would expect a lot more from the people who visit PB.
@f00bar: Totally depends on the terrain. If you climb and descend on steep jank, you're likely not covering the same distance/hour as those in the wide open spaces.
@friendlyfoe: Yeah, vertical feet climbed first. Then hours riding. I also, think the vertical feet/miles ratio is good metric to see how tough the climbing of a ride is.
My father is 82 years old and has been riding since he was 16 years old. In his early years he was a pro cyclist and Olympic team qualifier riding 25,000+ miles a year. Only until recently (5 years ago) has his weekly mileage dropped to 200-300 per week. He has never taken more than 8 weeks off the bicycle (once for a partial knee replacement and for a few European vacations). 66 years of riding. I believe he may have more miles on his legs than any cyclist ever and he's still riding. He road to and from work for over 30 years when he was younger then owned his own business which allowed him to maintain such high weekly mileage. I put his lifetime mileage at around 1.5 million miles.
Strava needs to distinguish mountain biking and road biking as two separate entities. Both the activity options and segments. Having them lumped into one discipline of cycling is way off.
Tackling dumb, indeed! Somehow the app has canoe, kayak, row, kitesurf, windsurf, and stand up paddle options but makes no distinction between mountain biking and road biking. But thank goodness they carved out velomobile riders. And while you're at it Strava change the photos on your website once in a while. We are sick of looking at the same 5 sweaty people for the past 2 years.
@dirt-daddy: I think the problem is that there’s no clear distinctions. There are gravel bikes and all road bikes and hardtails and full suspension bikes and it’s not clear where to draw the line. Like there could easily be 5 different ride types each with different segments.
And if you only split it into two, where do you put a gravel segment? On both road and mountain? What if there’s a gravel road segment that a bunch of gravel riders do, but only like 5 mountain bikes have done, and then you come in on a hardtail and get the KOM and it’s faster than anyone has done it period. Shouldn’t you be recognized for beating all those gravel riders?
I agree it would be nice in theory, but in practice it would be a mess, I think
@sdurant12: Yeah, but I think it would be good to have 4 broad categories (mountain biking, DH park riding (shuttle), cyclocross, and road biking) to separate the type of riding. Each activity choice would separate those riders into that activity leaderboards and would compare very similar riding (and bikes) rather than totally different kinds of riding.
In addition, it would organize a lot especially on the weekly group leaderboards. As it is right now, the leaders on the weekly group leaderboards are always the road riders and park guys because they have the most mileage. It is impossible to categorize every kind of bike, but 4 broad categories would help a lot organize the type of riding.
Also, on the Strava maps to have a distinction between dirt and road segments would be great.
I don't understand why they don't add some logic behind shuttling. We have a lot of trails which are accessible by road and most of the time we pedal up (roadies too of course). But sometimes we shuttle and forget to pause strava and get million of KOMs which is impossible or very difficult to edit out.
@Archimonde: I would really like if it were possible to auto-pause GPS recording on fast ups. There would have to be some formula to calculate rate of climb, but once you're moving at more than 8-10 vertical ft per second you're clearing shuttling/on a lift. It gets annoying having to pause (forgetting to unpause) and editing efforts every ride.
I use an app for tracking ski runs that auto-pauses on lifts, so it's clearly possible.
@Landonop: It wouldn't be complicated. It would just categorize the type of riding better. For instance, if you chose the cyclocross option, it wouldn't matter if you rode both road and dirt trails. You would only be compared to other riders who labeled their ride as cyclocross. Just like when you choose running, you aren't competing against cyclists on segments.
Also, when I talk about separating dirt and road segments on the Strava maps, I am only talking about the labeling, so when you search for trails you could distinguish what segments are dirt and what segments are road. Just like trailforks uses different colors to distinguish difficulty of segments, Strava could use different colors for dirt and road segments.
@sdurant12: Strava markets itself as a tool primarily used to track exercise. The fact that I can't easily see just my mountain bike stats for the month, year, etc. and have to bust out a calculator to manually subtract bike commuting or road riding miles is ridiculous. I should be able to make the distinction for my own personal tracking with no impact on others. Add a gravel category as well. Strava could still just offer a single "riding" option when creating a segment for the purposes of KOMs for those who care about such things. Everyone would be compared to each other regardless of whether they categorized their ride as road, mountain, or gravel. I think generally the riders who choose the most appropriate bike for the terrain will get the top times but if the guy on the HT wants to see where he stands against the gravel crowd he would certainly be able to do so.
I'm 45, I've been a bike commuter most of my adult life. I've only started tracking my distance consistently a couple years ago and I think I'm riding a little more than I used to... I think I'm just over 50,000 miles.
Gonna have to start working hard to catch up with Russ.
I've come to the point where I need to include my daily commute to achieve a significant number of kms and climbs. My MTB rides have become quite meaningless otherwise..
I made a wild ass guess based on my average tracking and used that back to when I started riding bikes. Used to ride a lot more as a kid then a lot less as a grad student then I got fat and didn’t ride at all, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Time in the saddle makes a better measure.
This lurker considers himself obsessed and has nothing like the numbers above. I am convinced that some of us have an impeller and require a wheel or a ski or a sail or a wing.
That looks to be a 1970s era Carlton factory Raleigh. His wheel weighs as much as a new bike. Thanks for setting bar Mr. Mantle.
No idea how many Km a year I ride. I don,t long every ride. Not to mention the last few years . My time has been spent more building and working on trail. Than actually riding them. #northsidetrailbuilder#couldofrodebutduginstead
My average this year is almost exactly 100ft of elevation gain per-mile and 1000ft of elevation gain per-hour across the whole year, so I guess freedom units do work out to even numbers! Not bad considering that's averaged across mtb and flatter road riding. The MTB rides are skewed towards slower speeds and more elevation gain per-mile (like the ride I just finished with 2700ft/10miles) while the road rides are skewed towards much faster speeds and less elevation gain per-mile (like 2700ft/35 miles).
Oddly enough this is my new riding goal, to start writing down (not just recording on strava) how far/up/down I go on my bike, will be interesting to see what can be achieved in a year.
But if you do record it on Strava, it has all that data for you. It has by year as well as an `All-time`section. Though, admittedly it does not seem to show anything but total mileage and not climbing data.
As a software engineer, a pet project I have wanted to do is a data visualization tool for strava records. They just don't do much of a job showing me all the stuff I would like to see.
For example, All-time elevation climbed/descended, and PRs per bike. The latter sounds cool because I have a big squishy bike and a hardtail and I'd love to know how I fare between them over the long run. Data is cool.
@cgdibble: I don’t even know how to find segments I have best times on. Like sometimes I want to show friends that I ride semi fast and get to top 20 or whatever. I usually have to look to my old rides and then click on achievements which is not perfect?
@dj100procentenduro: Yeah, this is also another annoyance I have. You can only see your KOMs as far as I know, but not your Top 10s or whatever. Pretty lame, really. I have submitted feature requests for things akin to that and they basically just take a note and move on.
what if i was never too bothered to install strava ? i own a garmin watch and can't even get that info readily available, making me think these watches are the biggest pile of crap ever made -
Love that "I haven't got a clue" is the second most popular response. Goes to show that (1) most riders don't keep track of mileage (good) and (2) this, like most of PB polls, is worthless.
done around 850-900km this year, and I have only really got back into riding this year.
so in total lifetime im probably only around the 1,200km mark..
I ride DH, road, gravel, dirt jump, street bmx, bikepacking..... there's absolutely no way to actually get an accurate count unless I use strava literally all the time
I would say, most of active ppl (on the website at least) don’t ride a lot, don’t climb a lot...or doesn’t have a damn clue how far have been. Including miself.
Whats even funnier is that in some circles "English" measurements refer to imperial. Which is really only still used in the US. Also the English spelling of meter is actually metre.....wtf
@enis: completely wrong. Imperial used everyday in UK. Cars are in MPH for example. Metre is when it refers to the unit of measure eg 1 centimetre, meter is when it refers to usage of measure not unit measure, eg perimeter, or pedometer. I know that's complicated for Americans. A bit like you can't get your head around practice the noun and practise the verb
or bald eagles per cheeseburger...
do wizards ride bikes?
Just because we're Canada's Mexico.
Grade man : "we have to dig a square thats 3 meters by 4 meters and 2 ft deep."
The imperial-SI debate pops up here every once in a while. It would help if everyone who measures tire or suspension pressure in psi and/or talks spring gauge in lbs/inch would just accept that it is just fine working with both systems.
how many bikes you got? a lot.
How many drops have you dropped? a lot
How many problems ya solved? a lot
Dig a new trail, dey dont dig them selves~
Roll what ya got cause it do that sh#$.
Holler at ya friends, gonna ride or Die!
Never wrote no rhymes but I might as well try.
How many punctures?
Then everything becomes relative since you'll never need to be as fast or skillfull as sam hill, greg minaar or nino schurter since they very likely spent a great deal of their life riding 25 - 40h a week which would make 15-24% of their week. If you ride 2-5h a week you can now feel good, since riding is only a part of your life, not your LIFE.
But this Russ Mantle guy is nuts, say he averaged 25km/h 16mph then he rode 64000h say since he was 12. Then he must have ridden EVERY SINGLE LIVING DAY FOR 2.5h and not skipped once. That's now my definition of persistence. And all in those nice English weather conditions, badass.
Average rider keeps his bike for 3-5 years. Lets say their bike was 5000.00 and lets go with 4 years as the average. Thats 1,250 KMs a year on a mountain bike. with the average ride being about 15-16 KMs and taking about 1 hour and 23 minutes on average, you would need to complete 78 rides in a year with a total of 105 hours of on the saddle time to achieve 1250kms a year.... So according to you anyone below these stats in a year is lazy? wut?
Do we sell litre-a-cola?
..."dont spit in that cops burger"
Its the fastest who get paid, and the fastest who get laid
And if you only split it into two, where do you put a gravel segment? On both road and mountain? What if there’s a gravel road segment that a bunch of gravel riders do, but only like 5 mountain bikes have done, and then you come in on a hardtail and get the KOM and it’s faster than anyone has done it period. Shouldn’t you be recognized for beating all those gravel riders?
I agree it would be nice in theory, but in practice it would be a mess, I think
In addition, it would organize a lot especially on the weekly group leaderboards. As it is right now, the leaders on the weekly group leaderboards are always the road riders and park guys because they have the most mileage. It is impossible to categorize every kind of bike, but 4 broad categories would help a lot organize the type of riding.
Also, on the Strava maps to have a distinction between dirt and road segments would be great.
I like riding my gravel bike on gravel and throwing in some light singletrack between fire-roads, so where would those efforts be categorized?
I think the current system is fine. Nobody is riding a TT bike on singletrack in Moab and people aren't racing the Tour on a Bronson.
I use an app for tracking ski runs that auto-pauses on lifts, so it's clearly possible.
Also, when I talk about separating dirt and road segments on the Strava maps, I am only talking about the labeling, so when you search for trails you could distinguish what segments are dirt and what segments are road. Just like trailforks uses different colors to distinguish difficulty of segments, Strava could use different colors for dirt and road segments.
Where was strava in 1995???
As a software engineer, a pet project I have wanted to do is a data visualization tool for strava records. They just don't do much of a job showing me all the stuff I would like to see.
For example, All-time elevation climbed/descended, and PRs per bike. The latter sounds cool because I have a big squishy bike and a hardtail and I'd love to know how I fare between them over the long run. Data is cool.
thomaschampagne.github.io/elevate/#/landing
Keep up the good work
dannychew.com
I know that's complicated for Americans. A bit like you can't get your head around practice the noun and practise the verb
Hey my mistake. I actually thought the UK was using km.
That being said, i was born and lived in australia for 20 years. I still use metric for work (construction) because inches suck.
^ is that like a line of thermometers, speedometers, anemometers...
I measure my distance and climb in kilometres and metres