“Do you like your teeth?” Answering this, as a Brit, isn’t the yes or no, cut and shut answer one could expect. Maybe I better rephrase that. Do you want your teeth forcibly removed? Well, probably not. Even somebody with teeth that resemble a Picasso painting, without a parallel line in sight, probably doesn't want them taken out by force. Funnily enough when I first got to Canada from the UK, seeing everyone's perfectly straight and pearly white teeth firsthand made me almost grateful for the mask mandate, if only to hide my own tombstones.
I suppose it’s an odd thing, the concern we have for our faces. In one relatively small area, there are a lot of vulnerable pieces and when we ride bikes I think we’re acutely aware of that. Well, for the most part. Even if a Hapsburg Prince went OTB they would probably still think to protect their features, even if in actuality it’s the ground that I would feel sorry for once that battering ram of a jaw picked up some real momentum.
I don’t think it’s merely vanity to be concerned about your facial features. In fact, I think it’s a very human thing. I don’t know if it’s learned or ingrained but the idea of smashing your face into something isn’t quite as easy to brush off as a damaged limb or battered torso - even if those others can be equally severe.
The only type of trail I don’t like to wear an open face on is when the speed is high, the trail is rough and the grip is low. I hate that feeling of having the front wheel snatched from you and not having enough time to even get a hand out in front of your face. Steep and tech doesn’t bother me so much. I suppose those crashes don’t tend to have the same immediacy, or high speed and sometimes can feel like falling over more than crashing, or at least at the speeds that I tend to bumble along at.
I recently tested a Giant Realm MIPS helmet. I’m not sure what to call this style. Ear-muffed-open-face? What about a three-quarter job? Maybe not. My friend, who we'll refer to as
Johnson here, was nicknamed
Half-a-Job-Johnson by his partner. We never knew exactly what that referred to and always presumed it meant he didn’t do the dishes properly or something… either way, three quarters sounds a bit unfair.
Admittedly, this style of helmet isn’t that easy on the eye, and that’s irrespective of brand. They seem to look like a polystyrene version of something Gimli would wear, albeit with a massive avant-garde, high fashion golf visor that elderly ladies have on holiday to keep the heat from their face, but are they as silly as they look? I would say not.
The obvious question is that if you’re riding trails that demand more protection and yet still involve pedaling, why on earth wouldn’t you go for a lightweight enduro full face? They’re made to the same standards as a downhill helmet, they might even come with removable jaw protection and they can keep you cool and fresh on the descents and climbs, while wearing something only slightly heavier and less breathable than the halfway house of the ear-muffed-open-face.
Well, I suppose I come at it from the other end - if I’m riding a trail that has me reaching for a full face, why would I want anything other than a downhill helmet? The enduro helmets, while light and comfortable, have never really instilled me with that much confidence. I don’t know if it’s the flexing jaws, the low weight or the padding that feels like it often doesn’t hold your head completely securely that has me concerned, but I just never feel totally confident in them. And, if I don’t feel totally confident then what’s the point?
I know there are better and worse executions, and I don't want to tar them all with the same brush, but some of them, even with all the relevant safety certifications, seem a bit sketchy. It's the ones that are chasing low-weight as the highest priority and feel as light and flimsy as an ice cream cone that I don't look on favorably.
I suppose years of the bike industry positioning high-end helmets as not merely satisfying standards but far exceeding them, and this being very important, has left me somewhat skeptical about the certifications in general. For the record, I am definitely skeptical of removable or flexing chin bars. With full downhill helmets becoming lighter, better ventilated and working better with yellow PVC sunglasses than ever, it has me asking why I’d even bother? Okay, I’m joking on the last bit but you catch my drift - downhill helmets have never been so good, and that’s what I compare the enduro full-face helmets to, not anything with an open face.
And the
half-a-job-Johnson helmet definitely does offer something different to what I consider to be its main competition, a classic open face helmet. When the comparison goes between the two, the ¾ shell does come off looking more favourable.
Another question would be, is this style of helmet merely a fad? It’s all very well and good the 50/01 riders wearing them while they’re getting-trendy-in-the-woods, but what about you and I while we’re dragging brakes and casing jumps? I wouldn’t say so, and I think helmets such as the Realm are here to stay. They might not have the chin bar of some burlier helmets but that’s also what makes them so versatile. For me, it’s not just the weight of a full-face helmet but also the chin bar keeping my hot-air exhalations in that makes me not want to wear one.
If I was doing days of bike park laps or wild trails would I wear one? No, to be honest. If it deserves extra protection then I want a full downhill helmet. However, I think the Realm, and helmets like it, for all day lift-assisted alpine riding with some vertical gains thrown in, cruisy spins with friends or cooler climates.
Truthfully, if I need a full face then a lightweight one isn’t going to satisfy me, but there are plenty of times where I might be going to ride technical trails where I would gladly take extra protection but I don’t want to overheat. If I’m riding something gnarly, then I want to feel safe and comfortable that I’m adequately protected. If I’m pedaling and it’s hot then I want something to breathe not trap the hot air next to my face. If it’s a long climb and something truly dangerous I’d rather just take the cheek pads out of my full face and suffer a little. Either way, there’s a far greater chance that I’m reaching for an open face with extra coverage than a lightweight enduro helmet.
For AM/EN in the alps I only use the Giro swichbalde without chin, which is simply the safest option due to coverage and the Upper shell also being ASTM (DH) certified, which means bigger forces are covered, than a regular halfshell MTB helmet.
For Bikepark Leatt 4.0 (non detachable)
For XC, Leatt 2.0 (not a lot of coverage, but very light & well ventilated)
For Commuting: the oldschool Protec Pisspot with EPS.
For Road, HJC.
Having the North Shore mountains as our local hills, I'm always surprised by the lack of full faces. Even mellow rides on the shore can lead to any serious face injury at one small mistake (no matter how slow or chill you are taking it). Enduro full faces DEFINITELY have their place in the helmet world, even if you aren't full sending or riding a bike park. I personally don't see the point of 3/4 helmets, because why would you want the most of the extra heat of a full face, without the added face protection? Just wear a good half shell at that point...
That's an interesting point. I rarely removed the chin bar on my bell super 3r and when it came time to retire it I went with a TLD stage and don't miss the removable feature.
TLD Stage. Perfect. I wear it for almost all my riding except flat XC loops.
Light and well ventilated FF is the best solution even when the chin protector is not DH certified. I really like www.endurorider.pl/cratoni-c-maniac becouse it's so light and still protects (somewhat) your teeth form beeing knonced out during some stupid, low speed, crash. It's not the best solution but it's still better than nothing.
3/4 without chin protector are pointless in my opinion but since PB has new owners things have changed significally, but you need to be lont time reader to feel that.
Fot today my next FF is Leatt Enduro V3/V4 with removable chin, despite f*ckedup price. Those type of helmets are really good now.
The way I look at it is this — if I want to take a 120mm 29er ‘downcountry’ bike out to get rid of my COVID belly I keep telling my partner I’m going to get rid of but keep eating pizza, because pizza, I’m reaching for a classic ‘mountain bike helmet’ like the Fox Speedframe. Great helmet with excellent rear protection for that good ‘ol occipital lobe. But if I’m riding a 140mm 27.5” bike where I’m going to be ‘earning my turns’ with some fireroad climbing but there’s a few features I plan to boost on the way down, a 3/4 helmet (i.e., the Fox Dropframe) is a ‘step-up’ in terms of protection. One way to think of it is, I’m not doing timed runs from a start-gate and I’m not doing anything I wouldn’t do on my BMX with a similar open-face helmet.
So when do I I reach for a lightweight fullface like the Fox Proframe? When I’m thinking about my time. Do I think it’s overkill for anyone doing fireroad laps and stopping 1/2 way down to admire some sweet sphagnum moss? Absolutely not. Those helmets offer face protection and excellent breathability. For me however, I think 3/4 helmet is the way to go.
We aren't descending at the speeds that were common in the 80's and 90's on hard tails. 160mm travel bikes will get you to DH bike speed very quickly and the risk that comes with higher speeds are real.
I come from the MX world so wearing a full face on the MTB never really bothered me, the extra safety vastly outweigh whatever mild discomfort/heat that the full face added. Stop being a baby about the discomfort of a full face, your significant other will thank you when you inevitably take that hard spill and walk away with bruises and stitches on your knees instead of facial reconstruction.
If breathability is no different than a regular helmet or a 3/4, why wouldn’t you protect your face? The extra protection doesn’t hurt so sign me up.
And yes, I acknowledge have a much heavier one for Whistler but that’s because I don’t have to climb! It’s not because the NS trails are easier.
@haydos: Same there. There may be two sides of the fence but there is only one safe exit.
Hmmmm....?
Which makes it seem to me like a 3/4 shell is would be nearly as hot as an enduro full face helmet, but without the actual front of face protection. With the caveat that I haven't actually ridden with one of the 3/4 shells yet.
There's a lot of variation between different brands (i also have a TLD DH and a Fox Speedframe). If you want the protection don't be afraid to try something different, i really enjoy having the Proframe for the big climb/big descent days.
Had a chance to test this myself in a light, slowish otb: knockout, small chin laceration, ambulance called by bystanders. Not fun. Wearing light full face ever since.
Henry's argument that slow steep tech does not call for a full face for him, reminds me of an opinion of drivers resisting seatbelts in slow speed city limits: "I'll just use my arms to push against the steering wheel".
This editorial is a hot judgemental mess. Yes, I'm sure those of us rocking some helmets are just fashion divas too concerned with looking cool to be safe. Nailed it.
Were I a more free-ride/park/DH oriented rider prior, then maybe I'd agree with Henry and a lightweight enduro ff might not feel substantial enough to offer the protection I wanted.
But, If I'm going to ride gnarlier trails with more airtime, and higher speeds than a typical blue XC trail, but still pedal up as opposed to shuttling or lift-access, why wouldn't I want to protect my *whole* head, with a helmet that feels like it offers substantially more protection for a minimal comfort/weight penalty? If I had a d/h helmet on those trails I'd probably just end up leaving it home and wearing my XC helmet, 'cause it'd be too hot/heavy to pedal in, whereas a 3/4 shell barely offers more protection than my XC helmet for nearly the same weight/ventilation drawbacks (especially considering everyone seems to wear goggles with them) that I'd have with a lightweight full face.
Frankly, I don't see the point in 3/4 helmets with so many well ventilated, light-weight full face helmets available. I'll be over here in my TLD stage, keeping my teeth in my mouth.
Well, at least until I try to drink some water...THEN, I remember. D'oh! ; )
You want a helmet to dissipate an impact, not be so heavy and strong that it just transfers all the load to your skull.
I feel truly safer in my Fox Proframe than some super heavy DH helmet, even if it's a one time crash kind of product.
I only have a trail helmet, considering a lightweight FF not as a dh-FF replacement, but as a regular helmet upgrade (I don't dh race)
I get that those helmets might better protect the back of your head, and the part of your head around your ears. But why you'd think ear protection was a good idea but not nose and mouth protection is odd to me?
For sure I get that chin bars are hotter then no chin bars... but that's why removable chin bar helmets are a thing!!
I wear a full face all the time, mouth guard when descending chunk, and knee/shin pads most of the time.
When I kayaked steep creeks I also wore a full face. A buddy lost part of his lower jaw and teeth to a rock on the Green Narrows; started wearing a full face after that doh!
But as to the specific topic of 3/4 shells, I got no problem with them. The more coverage the better, as far as I'm concerned, and if someone thinks I look funny, screw 'em.
All it takes is a bad day, little inattention and you're going down and it doesn't need to be a 40mph to do a number on your face in a 1/2 dome.
Love my Met Parachute, see no reason for a 1/2 dome.
Looking ridiculous is a given, like pedaling a single-speed in a FF, but fair trade in my mind...
Also one benefit of needing rx glasses is never ever buying cycling glasses.
So, what I really want to now: can they take a 99 mph fast ball impact whilst riding?
Just a silly thought.
Mkay?
Who is going to find a prescription lenses solution that works with a full face that doesn’t look horrible?
Also wear them with my Fox Speedframe...don't care if I look like an EnduroBro, keeps my glasses from getting scratched/broke/knocked off my face.
Usually uphill I have the goggles off. The only downhill fogging issues I have had is in pouring summer rain in Mammoth wearing my FF, with a 30+ degree temperature drop. Wasn't seeing shit with goggles on or off, lol.
I also personally haven’t found any of the many many different contacts that I’ve tried, correct my vision as well as spectacles do.
www.airflaps.com/airflaps-product
Anyways - try the Kali Invader 2.0 if you get a chance.. its MUCH lighter / more ventilated than the leatt 5.0 and does the job really well. Anyways - hope your well... take care - and hopefully someday see you again.
Separate accident than the car. Thanfully the accident with the car didn't leave any real damage. The first face plant was years ago, in an xc race, but the latest one was mid august. Cased a large jump and scorpioned, breaking my neck, my back and my skull. Looooong recovery but I'm through it now.
I've currently got the leatt, but next time I crash on my head I'll be looking for a new helmet lol.
Now that would be something I'd call a 3/4 helmet.
I have these acerbis helmets on my farm for visitors to use when they ride on quad bikes or sxs. The protection they offer is nearer to full face mtb levels than 1/2 shell bike helmet.
www.acerbis.com/motorsport/en/product/dual-road/helmets/0022569
I really don’t get the value of these helmets when enduro full face are well ventilated almost as light… and better looking!
Lightweight full face for the win, 100% of the time !
I just wish that some company would make a well built water bottle with a 4inch extension to the valve tube so I can drink more easily while rolling.
I wear a FF at parks or enduro races, even enduro specific rides, where a bike coming down the hill is more accepted.
The other is heat. Local trails are slow, longest DH run takes 2 minutes, so no cooling help whatsoever no matter what wizardry they deploy designing vents.
So in the sense of not scaring hikers, the 3/4 would improve safety for me a tad, but that would be void because I'd sweat so much I would'nt be able to see that root/stump/rock/drop anyway.
And on my local trails I'm generally not riding blind & fast - and I know all the best lines.
He was luckily wearing a full face, and still got absolutely demolished, but the full face, quite literally saved him from breaking his neck. The back of his helmet, pretty low, was dented in like nothing else. He was hospitalized that day, along with another friend who was allergic to bees sadly. I went out the VERY NEXT DAY to get a Proframe, that saved his life, now about 5 or 6 people in my group will always ride with a FF. Including me, it’s the only helmet I will wear.
Anyways, my point I’m making, is the neck/base of the head protection is invaluable, and I’ve considered getting a drop frame from fox. Just for the days I don’t feel like overheating my cheeks, and whole face. Will still terrify me not to have the chin protection. So, get a full face if you want teeth, get a 3/4 for neck protection, and get a half shell if your a roadie
If only there was a place that independently tested and ranked helmets to compare them to one another for how well they would protect you in a crash....
helmet.beam.vt.edu/bicycle-helmet-ratings.html
Have a full DH (fox rampage) helmet for the park, and had the 100% trajecta enduro helmet for a good while for dirt jumps and sketchier trail rides. Even as a lightweight enduro helmet with a ton of vents, it is *considerably* hotter than a half lid and my 3/4 Dropframe. Am considering getting one with the removable chinbar to replace the Trajecta (as it's now got a good dent in it, and it's definitely saved my head and face), because no matter how lightweight, having that chinbar in my face on a climb definitely makes a temp difference.
For normal ass folks, I can’t help but think that if you really feel a need for extra protection, a full face of any sort isn’t a bad idea. Whether it’s a removable chin bar/enduro of DH lid, something protecting your face isn’t bad.
All this being said, I own both a Bell Super Air and a Tyrant, and have to say the Super gets used 99% sans chin bar, and the Tyrant is really nice when it’s colder and feels more secure than a half shell, but is missing a big piece of protection if anything really goes wrong.
Add £100 to that for a 3/4 shell.. naahh
3/4 shell is fine for XC on most days. Looks naff but it covers the entire head and actually doesn't heat up that much. Can quickly stick the chinbar on for higher speed/lower grip/steeper DH and Enduro.
Seen a lot of bad facial Injuries particularly from Enduro riders. I use full face on even some more tamer/flow trails.
If the average head weighs about 5 kgs (thx Google), and a half shell is about 350 g, that's adding 7% extra weight.
A lightweight full face (with ASTM 1952) is about 750 g so that's about 15% extra weight
A full downhill helmet is in the ballpark of 1100 g, so that's 22% extra weight
I found the chin guard to have no effect on ventilation.
I DH at speeds close to an MX bike. It’s my only helmet. Why do I want less protection again?
I mean come on, it’s a scooter not a motorcycle!
You could wear wharever you want on your head and still look cool AF.
For regular riding, they are very uncomfortable for me unless I'm just doddling along with my kids. I hate hearing my breath and heartbeat up in my ears when in 3/4 and full faced helmets.
Not so good for actual cycling.
Like all other journalistic outlets, legitimate criticism doesn’t show up until the products are long out of date.
That’s why car magazines said good things about the absolute garbage cars Detroit put out in the Malaise era, but now clearly state how bad they were/are.
That’s why a cycling publication will happily skewer dual control MTB shifters, or BioPace, or the first few generations of Avid/SRAM hydraulic brakes but didn’t when those products were new.
So yeah-I’ll say it. A third (fourth if you have a road lid) helmet that sucks uphill and still doesn’t have a chin bar is a dumb product.
Maybe if you’re a Gumby on an ebike pootling along at 30 watts but FULL TURBO!!!!! it’s bearable to wear a lid that heavy and confining uphill. For actually earning climbs, hard pass.
The problem is real.
That said Henry looks a bit like Robocop in the 3/4 helmet. Sorry Henry.
Good point. They can't possibly be as silly as they look!
Anything missing a chin bar set up with goggles makes you look like someone with a futuristic version of grandma glasses. Looks super goofy.
I’ll be over here in my troy Lee stage with all my teeth in my head.
Get a f*cking clue m8