Maxxis Updates EXO+ Tire Construction

Feb 2, 2022
by Mike Kazimer  
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Maxxis recently made a running change to the casing construction of their EXO+ tires, one that likely flew under the radar for many mountain bikers. Previously, EXO+ used a 120 tpi casing with a layer of SilkShield puncture resistant material. Now, EXO+ signifies that the tires has a 60 tpi casing with a butyl insert around the bead.

The change comes with a 1-5% weight increase compared to the previous version, a relatively small penalty if Maxxis' claims of increased flat protection hold up out on the trail. The new tires are said to sit in between the EXO and DoubleDown casing options, where before the EXO+ tires ended up being closer to the EXO side of things.

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The new EXO+ casing uses a 60 tpi fabric.
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The old casing design had a 120 tpi fabric and Silkshield insert.

When Maxxis first launched their EXO+ tire casing it was billed as a 'best of both worlds' scenario, a tire that remained relatively light while still providing a decent amount of pinch flat protection. In the real world, results seemed to be mixed. Some riders didn't have any issues (I'd put myself in that camp), while others found the EXO+ tires to actually be more prone to flats then the standard EXO casing.

When it comes to threads per inch (tpi), in general the lower the number the thicker the threads, and the more rubber required in the tire's construction. That means if you had two identical tires, one with a 60 tpi casing and one with a 120 tpi casing, the 120 tpi tire would be lighter, but potentially more susceptible to punctures due to the thinner threads. It's also common to add additional layers of fabric to create an even more durable and supportive casing – for example, Maxxis' DH tires use two layers of 60 tpi fabric, and their DoubleDown casing uses two layers of 120 tpi fabric.

The updated tires were released at the end of last year, and are currently starting to show up on new bikes and available aftermarket. There may be instances when a retailer has both the old and new versions for sale, but that's not expected to last very long. I currently have a couple tires in the test fleet with the new design - we'll see if the EXO+ designation now delivers the extra level of puncture resistance that many riders were looking for the first time around.

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The 120 TPI hot patch (left) isn't present on the new models (right).


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327 Comments
  • 335 5
 Now, good luck to all knowing which version you'll get with your online order
  • 53 13
 Decent retailers should provide the TPI info along with rubber compound.
  • 79 10
 @pisgahgnar: a decent brand would just put it in the packaging.
  • 20 19
 I'm sure they'll have a different part number and the people that care will do their homework.
  • 86 1
 @brandon-d: You mean like writing it on the sidewall of the tire and then packaging the tire so the sidewall marking are clearly visible when looking at it? Like they already do?
  • 14 19
flag s100 (Feb 2, 2022 at 10:14) (Below Threshold)
 Who cares. They wear out in 1000km and you can replace them in a couple months.
  • 4 1
 @GTscoob: running change in my experience means “the same but different”
  • 8 1
 It's going to be a different SKU and EAN.
  • 10 0
 The part #'s appear to be the same, at least for the tires I am using. For example the 2.5 3CT Assegai in EXO+ is still TB00172500, and the 2.4 3CT Dissector in EXO+ is still TB00259800.
  • 8 0
 @Jvisscher: not if you puncture them first. I'm in the latter group Kazimer listed. I decided to run lighter tires with inserts last year. And while I didn't pinch flat, I punctured two tires at the tread. Neither were close to 1000km. The only tires I've ever managed to wear out were Double Downs.
  • 1 0
 @konamat: while most likely true, that certainly didn't stop online retailers to mess it up in the past
  • 3 11
flag brandon-d FL (Feb 2, 2022 at 12:28) (Below Threshold)
 @pisgahgnar: Have you bought a maxxis tire. 3x maxterragrip tubless wt DD.

How hard would it be to instead right 3 compound, 120tpi dual compound.
Or Dual compoind 60tpi.

They use dumb names for stuff we already have names for.
  • 6 4
 @brandon-d: Go ahead and tell the marketers to stop marketing. I'll wait. Who cares what they call it if we know what it means?
  • 30 0
 @pisgahgnar: You should care, can you tell me the difference between a shawalbe super groud vs a super dh vs a super gravity? How do those 3 compair to maxxis exo exo+.

Then where does conti black chili lie,

Do you see what I'm saying, marketing is making the tire market harder to navigate for consumers. Sure you and I may know the difference, but shops shouldn't have to spend time educating people on every brands stupid nomenclature, when we can just call them what they actually are.

Sorting tires even on the best websites frankly sucks. Because they have too many names.
  • 7 0
 @pisgahgnar: Because we often don't know what it means due to the deliberate "confusion marketing" strategy.
  • 5 4
 @brandon-d: gaurantee they held the announcement until nearly all of the older tires had been sent out.
  • 4 0
 According to the forum thread these have been kicking around for several months. With the difficulty even finding some Maxxis tyres currently, I think there's a fair chance the old ones in popular compounds/sizes have already mostly blown through the supply chain by now.
  • 6 0
 @brandon-d: pinkbike should do a big tire shoot out across different casing from different manufacturer but with same(ish) compound hardness and tread pattern, similar to what @henryquinney did on inserts. More slowmo videos of rim hitting impact, please.

Oh and I guess you really prove your point. Conti black chili actually refers to compound mixture, not casing toughness.
  • 2 0
 Facts @Jvisscher:
  • 10 2
 The be way to avoid this problem is to buy them from a bike shop .
  • 2 0
 @brandon-d: so blackchilli should be “single compound” , you suggest?

And how would that equate or help compare conti “single compound” (which is top of the range) with maxxis “single compound” (which is bottom of the range)? Or conti raceking vs conti derbaron, which are both blackchilli but different rubbers?
  • 1 0
 Exactly what I was thinking the whole time I was reading.
  • 3 0
 @GZMS: "Black Chili" really refers to a particular part of the rubber blend. The carbon black that they use is super super fine. They could've used the word "nano" but I'm glad they didn't. It could have multiple durometers, and certainly from one tire model to the next, the durometer can be different while still being labeled "Black Chili".
  • 4 0
 @GZMS: Kind of proves my point right there. using a standardized naming system for commonalities between tires. like tread count, how many thread layers, rubber durometer, and if they have some fancy special blend on top of that then call it something weird, but the nonsense of re-naming the already named is insanity.


Edit: while were at it why dont we start labeling tires widths consistently. Like Measured the the outside of the widest knob on a 30mm rim. I'm sure more than just myself gets frustrated that 2.6 from one brand is the same width as a 2.4 or a 2.8 in others.
  • 3 0
 Just ignore the imperial measurements, use the metric and you’re good. Like 63-622 instead of 2.5
  • 1 0
 @GBeard: Try explaining those numbers to consumers, who aren't bike geeks. Its painful. But that measurement still doesn't help with varying rim widths. Everything should be measured off a set rim width for consistancy sake. Or atleast like "29x2.5 based on 30mm Internal rim"
  • 2 0
 @brandon-d: well, you still have to explain what 29x2.5 is to a beginner, especially those who is not familiar with imperial measurements.

Focussing on the first part of the ISO-ETRTO scheme can give an accurate enough comparisons between different tire manufacturer. As it is a standart, there is clear conditions for its measurements. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_5775

The thing with imperial measurements is, like you said, inconsistent. Which rim width/tire pressure manufacturer measure it with? Do they measure it from the outside of the shoulder knob or the widest point of the sidewall? Which tire manufacturer used which method of measurement?
  • 2 0
 @brandon-d: gee, you want durometer values to be mentioned and thread count, but no-no, millimeters for width is too complicated.. so you want to have easy shortcuts, but still be precise..

and same with marketing speak, wanting to accurately identify how the tyre was made, but avoid the words (yes made-up words) that accurately describe that production process/technology.. what does dualply mean? Is it all the way? How do you label reinforced sidewalls? Beads? What if the material is differrnt, is it still a second ply? How to differentiate between maxxterra and maxxgrip? All 3 durometer values should be mentioned on the patch? Would it really make it easier to navigate for consumers?

Just try and name a DHR2, with all your universal correct technical terms. I wonder how that will look like. You will probably run out of space on the tyre.
  • 3 0
 @GZMS: because DHR maxxgrip 3x Doubledown 2.5WT is so short..


DHR2 - 2ply SOFT 622-65 60tpi.
  • 2 1
 @brandon-d: so there are 2 plies of SOFT in your theoretical tire? How soft is soft? What is soft even referring to?
  • 2 0
 @rifu: long live metric
  • 126 0
 Will I still be able to run 30psi in my minions?
  • 109 3
 I don't care about your opinions.
  • 8 0
 I'm fast
  • 8 0
 @stepf: i'm faster than you.
  • 8 0
 @NicolaZesty314: my bikes clean, my kit is brand new
  • 3 1
 @laceloop: I got half your threads and I'm still better than you
  • 4 0
 @Wilm: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyTyjQbvylg
  • 1 0
 @islandforlife: Today I learned I'd missed that - thanks for clearing that up.
  • 95 1
 Please call this new one ExoExo.
  • 37 0
 Hugs and kisses! Yay!
  • 19 0
 Gossip girl
  • 59 0
 I think it's just butyl-full
  • 5 0
 DD-, or 1.5 Down, maybe? Downcountry Casing.
  • 6 0
 @Glenngineer: maybe just "Down"?
  • 6 0
 @mattg95: 1-5% weight increase on tire, 1-5% chance a PB user gets this reference lol
  • 13 1
 Thats good maybe We can just simplify it and have Exo, ExoExo, ExoExoExo and ExoExoExoExo, might seem silly but its less confusing than they have it currently
  • 2 0
 @Glenngineer: I'm a DD guy all day long Smile
  • 4 5
 Exo+ Evo - when you really want to believe that you hacked life and have DD protection with Exo weight.
  • 4 0
 Or Exo++
  • 15 0
 Come on guys, it should obviously be called SD (Single Down).
  • 5 1
 @jeremy3220: DoubleDowncountry surely?
  • 4 0
 @SimbaandHiggins: how about just " Get Down"
  • 1 0
 @jason475: GD that's a great idea
  • 1 0
 @thejumpingslug: hey I get his reference. Are we really a minority here?
  • 74 0
 I think they should put more logos on their tires, if the hot patches don't cover at least 50% of the sidewall I won't buy. Missed chance
  • 42 0
 Extra layer of hot patch protection lol
  • 23 4
 Get some Michelins and be a dick about them.
  • 13 0
 You need some Michelins then!
  • 10 1
 Michelin wild enduro FTW. At least they have one perfect model, no need for confusion.
  • 22 0
 @melonhead1145: If they add googly eyes to the Michelin man graphic, then I might switch over.
  • 7 0
 That makes it harder for the racers to sharpy over them
  • 2 1
 Bring us the Maxxis Double Hot Patch!
  • 7 0
 First they should remove WT of 2.4 shorty that mesures a about 2.27 wide!
  • 18 2
 If the tires don’t have a dumb name I won’t buy.

Rumor is that Schwalbe is at least going to be more accurate with their names. Punctured Pete, Torn Tom, and Flat Frank are all in the works…..
  • 3 0
 Copied from the wild enduro review. I’d have gone higher than 45 psi but still.

In terms of sizing, I took the hot tip to leave the tires inflated at a higher pressure of 45 psi for twenty-four hours to allow them to fully stretch out to their full capacity. After that, both the front and rear, despite its smaller appearance, measured at 2.4" wide across the casing and 2.5" from edge to edge.
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: I'll have to try that
  • 58 2
 Any update needs to discuss the combating of the "Maxxis Wobble" first and foremost... And how they internd to improve production or quality control.
Maybe this is the answer, time to let us know.
  • 9 0
 Last year I went through three DD DHR2's in a row that were unrideable they were so poorly made. Never had an issue with Exo+ only DD.
  • 9 1
 @pisgahgnar: EXO was plagued pretty bad by this as well.
  • 2 0
 I thought it was just me. So many tyres in the past have done this. It's like a torn ligament. Is it the threads in the sidewall busting? Therefore losing tension > shape?
  • 4 1
 @steviestokes: In my case they were like that the moment I put them on the rim. The first time it happened I was using and old spare wheel and thought it was out of true but then realized it was just the freaking tire. Either poor alignment when manufacturing, or the threads tearing immediately.
  • 9 20
flag thenotoriousmic (Feb 2, 2022 at 11:45) (Below Threshold)
 Most of the time it’s just tyre stretch. People don’t put the tyre in the rim well and force it on with a tyre lever and because it’s unused it’s stretched the rubber where it’s been forced giving it a bounce when it spins. The rest of the tyre stretches when you use it or just go to max inflation and leave it overnight.
  • 6 1
 @thenotoriousmic: Yet it's just Maxxis tyres that do it. Hmmm.
  • 8 2
 @thenotoriousmic: no, you either have never had this problem or don't know what you're talking about.
I've had this too and I know how to put a tire on. It seemed to be a Maxxis problem.
You're dealer should reimburse you. Haven't had it for a while now, always been on EXO+.
  • 4 6
 @styriabeef: No I know there’s an manufacturing issue with some tyres just quiet a lot of the time it’s just where the tyres been forced on to the rim with tyre levers.
  • 3 3
 That isn't a maxxis issue. Issue on Michelin's as well
  • 3 0
 @thenotoriousmic: you tell the truth and people can't handle it. I put on a dissector on and off a couple of times and it was perfectly true, then i put them on a different rim, had to put a bit of effort in and it had the dreaded wobble, so yes it can happen as you describe, i tore or stretched something too far.
There is definitely a manufacturing issue on occasions, but some people are too heavy handed and ruin the tyre.
  • 1 0
 This issue, which I've had across a range of Maxxis tyre models and carcasses, has stopped me from using Maxxis. Some are like it from new. Others go that way. A couple have deformed after a specific move, so I'm convinced it's a weakness in the construction. All other variables the same, it's not something I've seen with Schwalbe or Michelin.
  • 1 1
 Indeed I've also seen this with maxxis tires. Each time it was quite easy to fix by unclipping the tire and starting again. So I suppose it is just improperly mounted.
  • 1 0
 @the00: I've had this too - landing was a bit blown out, so I effectively landed on a 45 degree angle. Not a huge jump or spectacularly heavy landing. Thought I'd heavily buckled the rim, but span it and realised the rim was perfectly straight and the tyre was almost touching the stays. Tried taking it off and on again (marking the place where the warping was) and it stayed with the tyre, not the rim. That got warranted. Replacement did the same, and they refused to warrant that one. Not bought Maxxis since
  • 1 2
 @SIZ: Exactly, they’re the same guys who claim their brand new tyres are undersized at 22psi. It’s rubber, Kevlar and canvas. If you force it on with tyre levers then that part of the tyre is going to be stressed more than the rest of the tyre which will stretch in too after a few rides. Not to say this is the case with all tyres, there’s definitely bad batches out there.
  • 1 0
 Exactly. Stopped buying Maxxis a while ago due to the Maxxis Wobble....
  • 1 0
 I've only had this issue with the 2.3 Aggressor. Landed a bit sideways and put a big wobble in the tire. However, I've had many more defective tires from other brands.
  • 1 0
 @the00: I've seen a few big batches of wobbly Schwalbe but more on the city and road tire side.

heard somewhere that sweat/humidity ingress during construction can cause the dreaded womble
  • 1 1
 @dontcoast: yep - they're called Schwobbly's for a reason
  • 1 0
 @dontcoast: Which Womble was the dreaded one? Orinoco? (Google it if you don't know what I'm on about)
  • 1 0
 @chakaping: Not sure but they sure Make Good Use of Bad Rubbish
  • 56 2
 When you thought you were buying EXO+ but instead got EXO+
  • 2 2
 Dang it I got EXO+! I ordered EXO+, but instead I got EXO+!
  • 1 2
 ..
  • 2 2
 Clap
  • 36 1
 I got very unexpected punctures right at the bead line on probably 5 EXO+ tires within 2 or 3 months back in 2019, even on mellow trail rides. Particularly DHR IIs. Couldn't use plugs or patches either because of the location. Gave up on EXO+ completely until I got to try these out at the end last summer, had no issues with lots of bike park laps too. Stoked to see em fixed up, really seems to be the best of both worlds casing!
  • 6 0
 I've been having some QC issues with Maxxis over the past 12-ish months. Super frustrating as one pair is bomb proof while the other I get an unexpected puncture at the bead line.
  • 3 0
 this was an issue with sharp rim flanges and tire squirm on the rear wheel or with low pressures
  • 31 1
 You can plug right down to the edge of the rim no problem. No such thing as a puncture too low on the sidewall. I only learned this in the last couple of years, wish I'd known a lot earlier.
  • 2 0
 @jzPV: To see 1mm rim flanges really just makes no sense. It is like they are sharp knives waiting to cut through your tire. It is the rim-tire cabal at it again!
  • 5 0
 @DirkMcClerkin: is there some technique for this? couldn't get mine to patch on the sidewalls
  • 7 3
 for the cheapasses among us: flexible RTV and old tube or tire scraps worked well for close-to-rim punctures. got another half season out of a punctured DHRII
  • 8 0
 @chummyweim: medium size plugs, only small size holes.

If you've got a big old hole it doesn't work. Actually if you're extremely cheap, it does with car plugs, but only for a few rides. Ask me how I know lol
  • 8 0
 I had the same issue! My DD and DH casing's haven't had issues, but I've torn right through EXO+ multiple times.
  • 7 3
 @chummyweim: I like to patch it on the inside using the old school rubber cement and piece of rubber. Just make sure the patch is trimmed off even with the edge of the tire and also fill the cut with rubber cement. If you're belt and suspenders kind of guy you can run RTV around the edges of the patch.
If you're on the trail I've found that pulling the bead away from the rim then laying a plug in between the rim & tire works enough to get your home. I use car tire plugs cut down. They are thicker and stickier.
  • 9 0
 I'm very good at casing. @Maxxis looking for new hires?
  • 6 2
 If you clean off all your sealant, you can have repair right down to the bead with a patch on the inside of the tire. Shoo-goo also works exceptionally well to seal holes in the tire anywhere. The above fixes do mean using a tube or plug to get home, but are very effective.
  • 2 1
 @DirkMcClerkin: It's been hit or miss in my experiences, using the bacon-strip style plugs near the rim. I've had several work their way out from rubbing on the rim as the tire flexes
  • 6 4
 @woofer2609: Shoo goo is the beesnees! I only regret that i found about it last year, it's fantastic for repairing tubless tires. Managed to repair two of those pesky bead punctures and one slash!
  • 2 6
flag calmWAKI (Feb 2, 2022 at 12:00) (Below Threshold)
 @komodo1 - have you by any chance changed rims to ones with bigger inner rim width?
  • 1 1
 @woofer2609: Shoe Goo? Thanks for the tip.
  • 5 2
 @iamamodel: Just a heads up, Shoegoo is one of the lowest quality contact adhesives available, any other brand will have a stronger bond.

Also any adhesive, patches etc., will require the tire to be treated with vulcanizing fluid first, a noxious chemical that only comes in large containers, to adhere properly. Even then it doesn't stick like it does to a tube.

So much easier and more effective to use plugs. If the tear is too big for even large plugs, the tire is toast.
  • 3 2
 @DirkMcClerkin: shoe goo is NOT a contact adhesive- maybe that’s why it doesn’t work for you? I believe shoegoo and e6000 are the same.
  • 1 0
 Maxxis tyres do seem prone to puncture there. It can be fixed, but normally a large slit so can need more than one plug.
  • 2 0
 As someone who just got a puncture from a microscopic thorn, while riding around my snow covered yard, in the FRONT, I will never be purchasing an EXO+ again. I've beat the crap out of Double Downs and never had a puncture. (even had a huge slash in the first layer of casing in a sidewall once and it was totally fine). The extra weight and less supple feel is more than worth me being able to just put air in the tires and forget about them after.
  • 5 0
 @DirkMcClerkin: Facts. I have so many sidewall plugs and they seem to hold up just fine.
  • 3 0
 Cut by the rim bead happened to me to all tires not just Maxxis. Have had enough Schwalbes to know. For certain cuts even the big fat car ones don't help unless you can get a hold of truck ones that are almost half of an inch in diameter. It's just that why would you carry that considerable weight in a tire? I had mixed luck with sealing them. Also if a cut in top of the tire is big enough I will need to patch it from underside at home as it is not that hard to damage fixed place while sliding.

My general impression over last year of frequent punctures is that rims with 30-35mm inner width sit right under the channel of tires like Minion and HR. Long time ago when Syntace released their W35 wheelset they actually said it was the case in their experiments. WT tires make it only more likely to happen, not that there's anything wrong with WT tire on wide rim, just it increases the risk of puncture by simple fact that if there is a knob between the rock and the rim the likelyhood of puncture is less.

Also.. check your pressure gauge from time to time. Had two pumps that were off by 3-4psi so it's good to have a trusted guage to double check.
  • 2 1
 @DirkMcClerkin: A quality patch kit contains vulcanizing paste.
It is NOT only available in large containers.
It is not some verboten top secret material.
ShooGoo is not a contact adhesive.
Have you tried patches and/or Shoo goo?
I have used both with prolonged success in patching tires, and Shoo goo does work.
Your tire needs to be extremely clean and dry for the above to work, but they do work.
  • 10 1
 @DirkMcClerkin: " If the tear is too big for even large plugs, the tire is toast."

I disagree. I've sewn up sidewall cuts with upholstery thread using a leather sewing needle. Sew it closed and patch it from the inside. Also works in big tread punctures. I like to use bright red thread to show off my handy work / aka poor man's skills. I had one tire get a sidewall cut 2nd or 3rd ride. Sewed it up and got another 600+ miles out of it. Tread wore out before the patch.
  • 1 0
 Same here. I am completely unmoved by the update... Only DD or DH works for me. The last EXO+ I purchased because nothing else was available, got punctured on every serious ride. Basically, It got scrapped after a week of use. The last and most awesome puncture was a double penetration by a piece of wood - in through the sidewall and out on the top of the thread.
  • 8 0
 Repairing discarded tires deserves it's own article. So many good ideas here and it's so worth while.


@MattyBoyR6: This is awesome. Gave it a try once and failed miserably, but feel renewed hope in humanity knowing it's possible.

I've personally not had any luck whatsoever with Shoegoo, and pretty limited luck with patching from the inside, but I'm stoked others more capable than me have.

Never seen a bike patchkit that contained vulcanizing fluid, be a useful item if it exists? Reason I tried this was RC did an article on it ages ago, said quart size minimums and toxicity were the big downsides.

I've found for plugging tires tiny size bacon strips are pretty useless as your sealing fluid patches tiny holes anyway. Kits with medium size plugs and up are the way. Way better even than doubled up tiny plugs.

I've gotten so many free tires this way, that just needed a little repair. Cheapskates ftw
  • 2 0
 I've had good success just using a normal patch repair kit for holes/ tears up to about 5 mm. Any wider than that and the patch starts to expand outwards when inflated. I'd love to know of a non-flexible patch for bigger tears. I have a DD Minion very new with a tear I couldn't repair so far - will try stitching.
  • 3 1
 @DirkMcClerkin: the contact cement in ANY patchkit IS vulcanizing fluid (unless you use that glueless garbage)

Rema is one of the most common.
  • 5 0
 @MattyBoyR6: I'd just like to say that I ordered the upholstery thread and needle and tried stitching up some of my tires that got pinch flats on the sidewalls and guess what... that shit worked. Thanks man!
  • 2 0
 @dontcoast: You are correct! Sorry I was mislabeling pre-buff or tire buff, which is a totally different thing and is required before applying a patch to a tire in order for the rubber to vulcanize properly. Thanks for catching that.
  • 1 0
 @DirkMcClerkin: Lol, that name was a mile off. lol "Liquid buffer" and yeah, that shit is nasty.
  • 24 0
 Man, I would love to see a test here comparing EXO+, DD & DH casings.

I've read all kinds of conflicting opinions about these tires based on marketing, but never an actual back to back test.

Weight vs puncture/ pinch flat protection vs suppleness
  • 6 0
 And different casing from different manufacturer, too. Maxxis DD vs
Schwalbe supergravity vs Wtb TCS tough vs Kenda AEC vs Vee EnduroCore etc anyone?
  • 3 0
 This might help you. They have the same kind od overview for Kenda, Michelin, etc.

enduro-mtb.com/en/maxxis-mountain-bike-tires-review
  • 3 0
 Feels like we're due for a big, fat tire test.
  • 2 0
 @Ttimer: good find! Too bad they didn't post the weight/toughness graph across different manufacturers, though.
  • 2 0
 @Ttimer: I guess I have too much time on my hand today.

casing type weight and toughness comparison from enduro-mtb.com/en/the-best-mtb-tire-in-review
Listed manufacturers: Schwalbe, Maxxis, Kenda, WTB, Michelin, Continental
Graph (sorted by toughness): www.pinkbike.com/photo/22022155
  • 24 5
 Maxxis - Would you please make Dissector 29” in DD and DH casing with dual compound. Downhill Rear tire with Maxxgrip as the only option? Really? You know this green sustainability, saving Polar bears, Zero emissions and all that talk that sells things these days
  • 3 2
 Second
  • 3 1
 third
  • 3 0
 Cannot agree more. Currently running Dual Compound dissector with EXO with rimpact insert to try and get a tyre that lasts. 5 rides so far so good. Max Terra start dying for me at 7ish rides so nearly made it.
  • 34 19
 People just need to give up and accept that they need double downs if they are considering an exo+ tire. No amount of revised puncture protection will overcome the awful feeing of a wobbly sidewall.
  • 9 2
 depends on the trail - square edged or pointy rocks, but no berms and no high speed flat corners would seem to suit exo+.
  • 7 1
 True, but exo+ is way easier to put on a rim with cushcore.
  • 18 0
 EXO+ and an insert has been a pretty great combination for me so far. No tire roll, great feeling on the trail, and no rim dings. All in all, pretty happy with it.

It is a pretty similar feeling to a DD tire, but I think offers additional rim protection.
  • 3 0
 Higher psi. Like Wade says, his tire pressure is "all the psi's"
  • 14 0
 @brandaneisma @bonkmasterflex I'll admit that I'm pretty lazy and would rather just run a naked rim with DD before going to the effort of installing a cushcore and seeing if that helps the wallowy exo feeling.
  • 8 0
 @nskerb: I went with a tannus insert, which is half the cost and half the weight of cushcore. I've ridden cushcore in the past and find the tannus to effect the ride feel less while still providing great protection. It wasn't too bad to install (easier than cushcore IMO).

If I blow through this tire, I'll consider a naked DD.
  • 5 3
 DD is the worst choice imo. There is practically no weight savings over DH casing... but I guess if you want max terra, you have to go DD.
  • 1 0
 @bonkmasterflex: For the Tannus, can you feel a better supported sidewall or just puncture protection?
  • 4 0
 @bman33: the tannus tubed insert has increased puncture protection, however their tubeless insert is where its at. Definitely noticed the sidewall is supported way better. Also i barely noticed the weight. Rim protection is pretty noticeable as well especially with lower pressures.
  • 10 0
 @maestroman21: it's not just about the weight. A double-ply 120-tpi casing is much more compliant than a double-ply 60-tpi. This means traction as the tread can conform to the terrain, while the extra material (butyl insert, etc) in the sidewall gives support to keep low-pressure squirming to a minimum.
  • 5 0
 That's because old EXO+ seems to have gotten marketed wrong. It wasn't intended to have more sidewall support, it was intended to have more slice protection. One feel of the sidewall of an unmounted tire (even mounted if you know what to feel for) and it's super easy to see that old EXO+ gave zero support benefit. Remindee me of the old LUST tires: maybe good on slices (dunno, always saw them pinch flatted or burped off), but so floppy you needed to run so much pressure to prevent pinching or burping that you might as well have stuck with tubes.
  • 1 0
 How did you get it installed? I fought for two hours. @bonkmasterflex:
  • 7 10
 i've not had any issues with exo+ and proper pressure. Had 1 flat when i smashed a rim in 2020 lol
Big casing tyres are for Racing or clowns who dont pick lines and just "me hulk smash i dumb dumb"
  • 2 0
 @oregontrail67: Me too. Now that I have some experience installing Cushcore, I think it's easier then Tannus.
  • 1 0
 @bman33: The sidewall definitely has better support, and I've had great luck with rim protection (and no punctures!)
  • 2 0
 @oregontrail67: I used the Cushcore method. Trashcan + a few tire levers and tucking the tire as deep into the rim-bed as possible. Went in with a bit of a fight, but honestly a bit easier than cushcore (but I also had the benefit of more experience).
  • 1 5
flag ridedigrepeat FL (Feb 2, 2022 at 12:40) (Below Threshold)
 @noideamtber: DD's are like 30 grams heavier than EXO+... so it's all pretty similar.
  • 5 0
 @oregontrail67: Both Tannus and Cushcore have been pretty easy for me with exo/exo+, specialized, and DD tires once I figured out that you you need to pinch the insert up above the tire bead: get the tire bead down in the center of the rim, and pinch the insert up so that it is sitting above the bead. Do this all the way around the rim and the last 6 inchs of tire bead will go on with minimal reefing on tire levers when installing. The total install takes me about an additional 10 min per tire to install.

Getting Cushcore off has been a bit more unpleasant....
  • 4 7
 @noideamtber: user name checks out lol
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 @nskerb: ahh a classic PB attempt at insult, shame you took your own time to say that.
as far as subject is concerned, ive not had any issues on exo or exo+ if you run correct pressures - i also have no reason to be tearing down Wornout/no maintance tracks with actual sharp rocks that have appeared, Will ride proper double black tech no issues on exo+.
Rode every trail i had time to in whistler on exo+ and never had an issue.
  • 1 0
 @oregontrail67: are you talking about the tubless insert or the tube instert? The tubeless is far easier I though there are some tire and rim combos that can still be a pain.
  • 3 7
flag nskerb (Feb 2, 2022 at 14:56) (Below Threshold)
 @noideamtber: user name checks out lol
  • 4 1
 @nskerb: do you think your funny? your ignoring his point and literally being the person hes talking about.
Low pressure will always give you trouble with trail tires/tyres, exactly why they suggest higher pressure on those ones....
  • 5 8
 @noideamtber: not all of us are fairy-sized little half-men. I'll flat an EXO+ in one ride on these AZ rocks with cushcore and 30psi. I could easily pick you up and toss you over a parked car because I'm a dumb Shrek but I can't ride EXO without flatting....life just isn't fair.
  • 2 5
 @sempertubby: im 210lbs/95kg... i run 23/28 on exo+ and no issues, ive been trialling 21-26 but feels bit squiggly.(and i only run 28 in the rear because when i bike with others i do dumb stuff like carving corners and rip it off the wheel)
Man 30psi in exo+ would be rattling the crap out of me
im guessing you run Some sort of expensiveish rim/hoop?
  • 7 2
 @mtbtrekracer: Ok I will attempt to not ignore his point.
As you said: "low pressure will always give you trouble"
That is a subjective statement in many ways. Hard telling what your definition of low pressure is. Also hard telling what trouble is. While this is just anecdotal evidence. I can assure you that running 27 psi in an exo+ tire gave me a lot of flats. Switching to a DD and staying at 27 solved my issues completely. To me being able to stay at 27 is a big benefit to me, so I'll gladly take the drawback of a little bit of weight.

As for what Mr. NoIdea brought up.
He claims "I also have no reason to be tearing down Wornout/no maintance tracks with actual sharp rocks that have appeared, Will ride proper double black tech no issues on exo+"
Also a very subjective statement. I'd say that is a pretty contradictory statement. I don't know where he's from but I think very large amount of "double black tech" have what he claims to be the "actual sharp rocks" To me that statement is pretty much nonsense.

Mr. NoIdea is probably a really cool guy. He has a new Sight and a Border Collie. Both of those I also have. We'd probably get along great. I just thought what he said makes absolutely zero sense lol.
  • 5 0
 @justinfoil: Yeah last year I decided to go back to DD instead of Exo or Exo+ with insert (will never go back to that!) and saw the difference.... WOW, the DD felt like a dh tire while Exo+ like a xc tire. Soooo much difference! It's only a bit harder to find the DD that I want (at a cheaper price on internet) sometimes.
  • 2 0
 @noideamtber: I think everyone should be like you. when they list their tire pressure, they should also list their weight.

I am 74kg, I run 16/18 psi, standard exo on the front and DH casing WITH cushcore on the rear. On wet days I can run 14/15 psi.

20 psi or more on the front will rattle the sh*t out of my hand. I can pick lines well enough for my front wheel to survive, but not good enough for my rear wheel.
  • 2 0
 @Timo82: similar here. I've been riding Specialized Butcher and Eliminator in BLKDMND in back where the floppier Grid casing just can't handle my 100 kilos and riding style, but that casing is no longer made now Frown

might go to Conti Trail King or Der Kaiser in Apex Pro (also about $60-65 USD MSRP IIRC) if I don't find a DD Minion on sale before this current Spesh wears out
  • 1 0
 @noideamtber: 210? I remember 9th grade, that was a fun year
I run DH or gravity casing with Vittoria airliner on the rear (28psi) and cushcore with DD or comparable casing on the front(24psi). Carbon wheels. My alloy dh wheel set that I save for bike parks is just dh tubes and dh casing...never had a flat with those but they're boat anchors.
  • 1 0
 @AyJayDoubleyou: pointy granite or limestone guts any single casing like a fish. DD rear, inserts both wheels is the minimum for riding rough, rocky terrain without constant tire and rim failures.
  • 1 1
 @bonkmasterflex: but no extra protection against sharp rocks. You’ll still slice a carcass rallying through rock gardens if the rocks are pointy.
  • 1 0
 @thechunderdownunder: tubeless insert. Tried to install on a Stan’s Flo rim and a 2.4 WT Dissector
  • 2 0
 @justinfoil: I have tried the Conti route, Der Baron have the same beefy sidewalls as Der Kaiser, but Trail king, even though they are marketed as "apex PRO" just like Der Baron and Kaiser, have way thinner sides.
  • 1 0
 @justinfoil: That's a fair point. Not a fair trade off in my books but I can see this being a factor for some. Probably few since Maxxis went eith 60 on it now.
  • 3 0
 @noideamtber: I love hulk smashing. My favorite part of riding.
  • 2 0
 @rifu: agreed...rider weight makes a huge difference in successful tire pressures. If I run less than 28, even with a dh casing and an insert, I'll blow the rim off of the tire the first time I rail a turn. But I'm 280lb/127kg and put A LOT of stress on wheels. I can seriously destroy an EXO tire in one run out here in the AZ mountains...the trails are just one big rock garden.
  • 18 1
 Perfect for a front tire! Now we just need DH casing with MaxxTerra compounds for the rear.
  • 3 0
 Second
  • 3 0
 third
  • 5 0
 Dual compound rear! Max Terra on rear last me about 6 - 7rides before severe undercutting and destruction of knobs.
  • 13 0
 Actually this makes a lot of sense to me; DDs are way too heavy/slow and with the old EXO+/120 I keep getting punctures right by the bead. Yay for hopefully not needing to bump up the pressure.
  • 15 0
 What we really need is more tires in the Dual Compound and DD casing. Dissector and DHR2 would be a great start.
  • 14 0
 Should have called it EXO#
Stacking the two plus signs would have been a really neat touch
  • 3 0
 Nicely done!
  • 3 0
 @woofer2609: fellow dad, I presume
  • 3 0
 @AndrewHornor: Sure am. I rely on small victories these days.
  • 12 3
 @mikekazimer So the only difference between Exo and Exo+ now is that butyl insert strip at the bead correct?

What is the function of that? To increase bead strength or maybe stiffen the sidewalls? Genuinely curious. Cheers.

Glad they're moved away from 120tpi on this tire, I've not had good luck with high thread count tires for trail use
  • 17 0
 The butyl insert provides extra pinch flat protection by reinforcing the part of the tire that gets smashed against the rim. It also adds a little extra sidewall support.
  • 21 7
 I'm running always a full on butyl insert in my tires. They are even inflatable!
  • 4 6
 @mikekazimer: doesn’t cushcore solve that problem?
  • 5 1
 Isn't the difference as follows?:

EXO - One layer of 120 TPI casing + the EXO wrap
New EXOplus - One layer of 60 TPI + the EXO Wrap + a small butyl sidewall insert
Old EXOplus - One layer of 120 TPI casing + Silkshield + the EXO wrap

So It seems the change to using a single layer of 60 TPI casing is supposed to be more puncture resistant than a single layer of 120 TPI casing with Silkshield (time will tell?). Plus you get the butyl insert.

For extra info:
DD - Two layers of 120 TPI with a large butyl insert
DH - Two layers of 60 TPI with a large butyl insert

Yes, butyl inserts are advertised as helping protect the tire from pinch flats and helping to prevent rim damage.
  • 9 1
 @islandforlife: EXO generally has 120 tpi for XC tires (e.g. Ikon, Ardent Race) and 60 tpi for more aggressive tires (e.g. Minion, Dissector, Aggressor).
  • 4 0
 @islandforlife: current EXO tires come in both 120 and 60 tpi. In my fleet I have a 2.35 Forecaster/iKon combo, both 120tpi and some 2.3 Minions that are 60tpi.

Reckons, for example, come in 120tpi in the 2.25 width, 60tpi in the 2.4 width.

(All 29er)
  • 8 0
 @islandforlife: the weight difference between DD and DH is not that much. The DH tires need to have more MaxxTerra options. MG doesn't last.
  • 3 0
 @Pinemtn: I got a puncture right on the bead with cushcore on Exo+ just a few days ago. It was in the little gap in the insert which I assume is to allow sealant to flow. Hit a sharp rock on a landing. I'm keen to find out what version of exo+ I'm running.
  • 1 0
 @jaydawg69: This please.
  • 1 0
 I have had way way more EXO+ tires killed by pinch flats on the rim (even with Tannus) than I ever had with EXO casings. A number of others have noted that the 120 TPI tires actually were more likely to get pinch flats

So, I am optimistic that this update will solve this issue!
  • 6 0
 @jaydawg69: Second on the DH MaxxTerra or dual compound idea
  • 12 0
 How much is the EXO+ subscription? So do I get more grip behind the paywall?
  • 9 0
 Thanks for the update, I'll be sure to throw out my obsolete EXO+ tires immediately
  • 9 3
 Sweet I was hoping we can get more Acronyms they can plaster across the side wall of their tires to make them even uglier. I mean if they yellow MAXXIS isn't already ugly enough (yes I can get white if i get the OEM versions) but all the acronyms on the side remind me of ideocracy pajamas. EXO+, 3C,Maxx Terra, EXO, WT, TR. Lets just add like 5 more of those so they can cover half the tire.
  • 7 0
 My sharpie literally dries out before I finish blacking out those hideous decals on every new tire.
  • 4 0
 @fentoncrackshell: And here I thought I was the only one!

I'm so happy others out there feel the same. Come on Maxxis, cut the crap. Personally I like the way WTB does it. Grey logos for the win!
  • 14 6
 When are they going to update their obnoxious logo?
  • 10 2
 Just offer it in OEM white on all the tires and I'd be okay with that
  • 8 0
 I wish they made the Rekon in Exo+
  • 4 2
 If you want to go fast with no grip just get a semi slick.
  • 1 1
 @pisgahgnar: They only make the SS in EXO as well
  • 3 0
 They do. In 27.5x2.6, 27.5x2.8, 29x2.4WT, and 29x2.6.
  • 1 0
 Just got a 29x2.6 with the new casing, 110 grams heavier than the old EXO+. Too heavy for the XCish front tire that I want so I'll use it for a summer rear on the HT. It does feel beefy.
  • 1 1
 I have one on my Rise. With a pinch puncture right now as a matter of fact.
  • 1 0
 @Richridesmtb: Is that the 60tpi casing ?
  • 1 0
 @blensen: Well Sonofabitch! When I bought my Rekons las summer they didn't offer then in EXO+.
  • 1 0
 @matmattmatthew: I've got one in the rear of my enduro bike and its absolutely awesome!
  • 1 0
 @Joecx: turns out it is the new casing. Pinched right on the gap in the cushcore. Bugger.
  • 2 0
 They actually do have a Rekon in 2.4 WT EXO+. Just bought one and love it. I just wish they made a DD version in 2.4 DC to use as rear trail tire.
Still haven't had a flat but with EXO+ but I've been using DH casings for the last 6 years and had zero flats so going to EXO+ still doesn't feel good...I just hate taking stuff with me for a ride other than food and water, so I'd rather use a heavier tire than stuffing the bike with pumps/co2 cartridge, plugs, etc.
  • 4 0
 Hey everyone, here’s an idea… how about we do more than complain about the changes to pb? Maybe we can all pick a day a day to not visit pb every week? Maybe throwback Thursday until they at least engage us in a conversation about the planned changes?
  • 5 2
 Why is there still no DC Dissector in DD or EXO+? Selling that tire in MaxxGrip should be considered robbery, it maintains its integrity for like 5 rides. I liked the tire the few times I was able to use it before the knobs started coming off, I won't buy it again until theres a DC version.
  • 7 1
 There is a MaxxTerra EXO+ version - that should last a decent amount longer than MaxxGrip.
  • 3 0
 The wobble is real (although often an install error causes it). That said, I’ve vaporized a DT rim and the DD Aggressor on that wheel was totally undamaged.

Resigned to Cushcore (they ride nicer but weigh more) to protect rims, but DD tires take a beating better than any tire I’ve tried (except DH casings).
  • 3 0
 Have a few new exo+ tires that I’ve picked up a couplet of weeks ago and while the sidewalls of the tires themselves lack of the “120tpi” stamp on them, the actual packaging does say “120tpi”. That leads me to ask. which is it!? Am I sitting on a time bomb!? Should I be concerned they will blow up in my closet!? lmao
  • 1 0
 My 60 tpi tire had 120 tpi on the packaging ,most likely older hangtags.
  • 1 0
 @Joecx: yeah. I believe that’s exactly what I have. Ive checked all of my exo+ tires and only 2 of them have the 120tpi stamp but they’re a couple of years old.
  • 1 0
 @Frankye24 @Joecx

Yeah sounds like old packaging, the hot patch of the tire is the way to tell for sure.

120 stamp = old
No stamp = new
  • 2 0
 I too am in the "never had any issues with old EXO+" camp, but then again, I only ran them as front tires with a DD tires on the rear. I do know a lot of people that had issues with EXO+ regardless of where they put it, and my LBS stopped carrying EXO+ tires last summer because they had so many issues. Good to see that Maxxis is making some changes to address it.
  • 1 0
 Huh.... I just got a dissector with this casing a few weeks ago and had no idea. I've just torn the sidewall right where the butyl insert is too.

Sealant managed to plug it though - maybe if I had my old exo+ 120 TPI casing the story would have been different?
  • 2 0
 Is it just pinch flats around the beads people had issues with? I assume this wouldn't be a problem if you're running inserts... You can probably tell I just bought a new set of Exo+
  • 1 0
 Interesting. Looking at all my mounted and unmounted tires I have a mix of versions. Had no idea. I'm wondering if that butyl layer will help the tires hold pressure better? As we know once a tire gets used a bit it can leak quite a bit over night.
  • 2 0
 The butyl insert is pretty short extending just above the bead so it won’t have an impact on air retention.
  • 1 0
 I've had no luck with the old EXO+ in terms of puncture resistance; I felt that EXO was better as long as it was a model that had 60 tpi casings. DD MaxxTerra for the rear and EXO MaxxGrip for the front has been a winning combination for me as long as I keep pressures reasonable (28 psi rear and 23 psi front). I also have experienced the dreaded tire wobble, but most times I don't feel it while riding if it isn't too bad. Like others have said, if not using an insert, then I have only worn out a DD casing tire, but I have worn down EXO casing tires when I have inserts installed. I go back and forth on inserts as my current set seems to introduce a wobble to the tires; I probably just need to buy new ones as in general I like riding with inserts.
  • 2 0
 Just checked and my 2.5 Assegai and 2.5 DHRII are both missing the 120TPI marking. Bought and fitted these around November so looks like they’ve been kicking about for a while!
  • 2 0
 They will be pretty easy to recognize on the retailers offers, the price will be 50% more.
I have never had as many flats as I had with a pair of EXO+ Minions
  • 4 0
 I'll have one of the more better version please.
  • 2 1
 ...whichever one that might be
  • 1 0
 "Moar"
  • 6 3
 This is some incredible news that will have a major impact on my riding and equipment.
  • 4 0
 Sick! Looking forward to these!
  • 3 0
 EXO plus plus? Or Double Down minus minus? Maybe Exo Down is more appropriate
  • 1 0
 Since previously it wasn't really a plus over plain EXO, they don't need a new name. Instead they matched the actual tire to the existing name.
  • 1 0
 @justinfoil: I was being facetious. The first iteration was actually a “plus” version of the EXO casing with the extra silkshield layer but it just didn’t deliver as intended. This revised version is what it should have been originally.
  • 2 1
 @franchise286: That extra silkshield was in a completely different carcass.

EXO has always been 60-tpi single-ply with sidewall slice protection.

Old EXO+ was 120-tpi single-ply with silkshield and slice protection, not a version of EXO

New EXO+ is actually EXO (60-tpi single-ply with slice protection) PLUS the butyl bead reinforcement
  • 2 0
 @justinfoil: ah yes. I get what you’re saying. That definitely makes sense. I’m looking forward to trying them out for sure.
  • 2 0
 @justinfoil: mostly correct here, but EXO protection is available on 60 TPI and 120 TPI tires, mainly XC stuff: Aspen, Rekon Race, Ikon, etc.

EXO itself is a puncture protection material - think rubberized fabric - so technically it could be slapped on any casing. It wouldn’t necessarily make sense but you could add EXO to a dual ply tire for instance.
  • 4 1
 Sneaky of them to not switch the colour of the EXO+ logo so we'd be able to tell the various versions apart.
  • 4 0
 They gotta get rid of old inventory somehow.
  • 4 1
 New version does away with the "120 TPI" on the hot patch. Mentioned in the article and you can see it in the side by side pics.
  • 4 0
 Great. Now make them not 60€ a piece. Then I might actually care.
  • 2 0
 As someone who rides rocky trails I gave up on anything other than DH casing after shredding multiple Exo, Exo+, and even DD tires.
  • 3 1
 I think I've puntucered a regular Exo+ tyre once...in like 4 years of riding Maxxis. So in my case, this change does not really meet my demands but just adds weight
  • 1 0
 Yeh I've had better results with exo+ over dd, constant punctures with dd, only 1 with exo+
  • 1 0
 I thought it was also established knowledge that higher tpi casings also have lower rolling resistance? Might be a worthwhile addition to the differences. Of course, adding some other layer like silkscreen may negate that.
  • 1 0
 Only thing slower than a higher resistance tire is walking your bone back to the trailhead. Supple casings are great……for road tires.
  • 1 0
 @wyorider: It's a tradeoff. Depends a lot on the conditions, rider style etc.
  • 2 1
 Been running these since October in the UK, was dubious at first after destroying exo+ in the past, been impressed so far, no flats, sidewalls seem a lot sturdier. Pretty much perfect casing for UK stuff now IMO
  • 1 0
 Ok @maxxis now bring back the ADvantage tread pattern... bigger and better side knobs than a Minion. Don’t understand why you guys got rid of it- it was a tire before it’s time.
  • 2 0
 So true! It even came in a proper 26x2.40
  • 2 0
 @ARonBurgundy: Exactly! Anyone who complains about Maxxis being undersized never tried that tire.
  • 2 0
 So you’re telling me that silkshield barely did anything to prevent punctures? So much so that the new tire without it is more puncture resistant?
  • 1 0
 Correct. The 60 TPI casing is more puncture resistant on its own compared to a 120 TPI casing with SilkShield.
  • 4 2
 Why does corporate America always have to ruin the good things?

Here comes the PAYWALL

OOO A BETA ARTICLE

Removes Pinkbike from favorites, moves VITAL MTB to the top
  • 4 1
 WTF is this Beta mtb shit in another article sending me to a Outside subscription. FUck that..
  • 1 1
 Pink, Beta...what's next, Cuckbike?
  • 2 0
 So now instead of a fine white weave of threads showing through the side wall after a few rides we get rope showing through...Got it. Maxxis, your sidewalls are garbage!
  • 1 0
 I bought a tire months ago and got one of the new ones apparently. I’d be surprised if there are any old series kicking around still.
  • 1 0
 I bought 120TPI Rekons and they sucked. Puncture in less than 20 miles of easy trail riding in Tucson. Went back to the 60TPI and never had a flat over 6000 miles.
  • 3 0
 So this is actually a plus over EXO, finally.
  • 3 1
 Nice to see. Previously Exo+ was weaker than Exo so hopefully this update addresses that
  • 3 0
 5 Exo + destroyed at Beadline,not so funny!
  • 2 0
 Same story here and elsewhere. Wonder how this pattern never showed up in any of the reviews?
  • 7 0
 5?! Don’t understand why you would keep buying them?
  • 1 0
 Has the Maxxis wobble been addressed? Tires starting to wobble for no reason after 50kmh or already warped out of the box is pretty bad
  • 2 1
 My biggest question is whether this will fix Maxxis's DHRII EXO+ leaking/seeping sidewall quality control issue?
  • 1 0
 Increased puncture protection?! The only reason they made that move is the $1.21 savings PER unit with lower TPI.
  • 2 1
 I posted about how my exo+ experience has been worse than my exo experience and this comes out within one or two days...
  • 1 0
 Maxxis stopped importing Super Tacky compound tires into the USA.Major disappointment.
  • 1 0
 Does this mean a dissector in Exo+ will finally be attainable….not holding my breath
  • 2 0
 Tyre choice is fuckn harder than in F1.....
  • 1 1
 So as soon as these new ones find their way to stock Enduro bikes, we can finally do a full ride straight out of the shop without punctures? Awesome
  • 1 0
 So now instead of the difference between Exo and Exo + being a + symbol, it’s actually a different tire?
  • 2 0
 noice
  • 2 0
 Exo++?
  • 1 0
 DD-.
  • 1 0
 I want connentinal to make the der barron side walls softer
  • 1 0
 Friends don’t let friends ride exo
  • 1 0
 Pick a thread count, and be a dick about it
  • 1 0
 Why is Pinkbike just ads and links to other sites now?
  • 1 0
 I'm glad this article and comments are not behind the paywall
  • 1 1
 Vittoria TNT trail tires have had this pps bead strip for years. Good job on catching up Maxxis.
  • 2 0
 And Maxxis has used butyl sidewall inserts (same thing as the bead strip) for decades in downhill and DoubleDown casing before the new EXO+
  • 1 0
 Exo: Hey, look at a rock! Pssssssssssssss........
  • 1 3
 A butyl insert around my bead doesn't sound like a thing I want. It's a good job I never notice this stuff and this flew completely under my radar and then over my head.
  • 1 0
 Make them more squishy
  • 1 0
 Boooooooooo
  • 1 1
 Stronger than a paywall Razz
  • 1 1
 this is pure fugazi to fight supply issues
  • 7 8
 (giggles in DH casing)

No... I don't think I will.
  • 4 3
 @lepigpen Right?!? I switched to full DH casing over 10 years ago. I went from fixing flats 8, 10 times a year. To maybe once every year or two. Well worth the weight penalty in my opinion. .
  • 4 4
 @tmwjr777: 100% if you have an all-mountain rig. It's never gonna be spritely up a climb. I'd take a 600g weight penalty if it didn't mean going home after 2 runs on your only day off in the week.
  • 3 0
 @tmwjr777: you should try DoubleDown or a similar 120-tpi double-ply, at least in front. A bit lighter, more supple in the tread (traction!), and most also have a butyl or similar insert at the apex (like this new EXO+) for similar levels of sidewall support. Maxxis DD, Conti Apex ProTection, Spesh BLKDMND or whatever replaced it.
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 @justinfoil: Yeah, I have heard that the DD casing is pretty good. But they're pricey. I can usually find DH casing tires on sale. Sometimes under 70 bucks, versus $100 each for DD. Plus I tend to push hard in the corners. And DH tires squirm less. Like I said before, I'll take the weight penalty. I ride a 36 LB, 170mm bike. Being fast or efficient on the climbs means nothing to me. I'm all about the DH, even if they end up being hike-a-bike laps. Not so much into spending time in the saddle.But, to each their own.
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 @tmwjr777: Yep, just got a DH for 80. And when money is a concern, both price up front and the price of replacing tires too often makes DH worth the weight penalty. I aint racin XC over here
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 @tmwjr777: yeah price is def a driver. But as I said before, it's about more than weight. The way that the 120 tpi double ply conforms can really add some traction if you're approaching the limit. And I don't necessarily mean the limit of speed, it might just be the grip limit of trying something new on weird terrain.
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 I stopped using maxxis, to many punctures.
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 Hard to puncture when you can't get enough grip to ride fast enough to puncture
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 All the Maxxis sponsored pros are on sharpies out Panaracers.
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 @jomacba: Everyone has their opinion on preferable tread patterns, but to say Maxxis has no grip is just ludicrous. Ask the numerous racers who choose to ride blacked out maxxis tires instead of any other brand.
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 @pisgahgnar: Clearly everybody misunderstood what I wrote. It was directly aimed at Spaztronaught, saying that he (or she) stopped using maxxis due to "too many punctures". My comment was actually referring to maxxis being the "Only" tires with grip.
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 @jomacba: Hah! I re-read it now and I see what you were saying. Sorry :-( I retract my snark.
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 @jomacba: I identify as an enduro rider
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 Haven't used maxxis for a few years. Do they still come with the built in carcass buckle?
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 The new bontrrager se5 and se6 blows maxxis away ..but all you groms will never know.. lemmings
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 I see my comment spam has paid off. My work here is done.
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 I lol at non DD or DH casing riders.
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 Just get DH casing, no flats and you don't have to think when going into a rock garden
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