eMTB Week
Pinkbike is running a week-long focus on eMTBs. We’ll be sharing reviews, news, and opinion pieces all week in addition to our regular coverage.
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There are plenty of articles out there about which eMTB to buy, which system to go for, and what the best components are, but what is it like to have one of these things out in the wild? In this feature we detail what it's like to own and maintain an eMTB, rather than putting in enough miles for a review, and then shipping it back to the manufacturer. This piece isn't to tell you which bike to buy, or what kit is best, but hopefully to give you a few things to consider if you're in the market for an eMTB.
Last November, I picked up a Cube Stereo 160 Hybrid, which has been my personal bike ever since. I have put in about 1,500km on it. About 70 rides, varying from short runs to the shops, to back-country loops in the mountains where I live. During that time, I have played with some of the components and tweaked, fiddled, and fussed with the setup. Here's what I learned:
Invest in the Motor and Battery If you're about to lay down cash for an eMTB, don't be sucked in by the main components. Get straight to the powertrain. This isn't like choosing between a RockShox Lyrik and a Fox 36, or Shimano XTR and SRAM X01. The motor and battery are going to colour the rest of your time on the bike. You can't switch the motor over later and a new battery can cost around the 700 Euro mark. Get a good system and you'll barely think about it, but if you get a bad system you will find yourself cursing it, struggling up the technical sections, and running out of battery all too soon. A 500W/hour battery should be one of the first things to look for. Having been forced off my customary Bosch system for work for a week, it was surprising how switching to a system that doesn't work as well dominated the experience.
Tyres eMTBs look to be a natural home for big tyres. Almost every brand is spec'ing their eMTBs with 2.6" and up. Having tried a few tyre sizes, I'm confident in saying that you're definitely going to want bigger ones—the increased contact patch helps almost everywhere. The question is how big? There are two problems with "Plus" tyres: first, the casings. When you're riding a 50lb bike, support from the sidewall becomes more crucial than ever, yet most of the major Plus tyre suppliers don't offer aggressive tread patterns with anything stronger than an intermediate casing. This means you'll have very little support from the sidewall when you're trying to lift or pop the bike. Instead, the tyre deforms and feels vague. And, there's the usual issue of how fragile Plus tyres tend to be. If you are an aggressive rider on rough terrain, you are going to find them deflated in no time at all.
An eMTB will accelerate tyre wear too, so you are going to find yourself running through tyres faster than you might expect. A Maxxis Rekon EXO 120TPI in 2.8 retails for around 150 Euros (you can find them for 90 Euros a tyre on certain online retailers). How do you feel about the prospect of running through one or two in a month? If you opt for DH tyres, you're faced with adding a kilo to the bike's rotational mass, which still becomes is a big issue with these bikes and will reduce your range noticeably. Right now, the only tyres on the market that seem to tick the size, weight, and strength boxes are the Maxxis WT 2.5s—but at 60 Euros a pop, they are still a pricey proposition. Schwalbe Magic Mary 2.35" bike park tyres, which are strong and cheap, but they come up smaller than I would personally prefer to run.
Service One of the biggest differences with an eMTB and a mountain bike is going to be your relationship with wrenching on it. Most serious mountain bikers are used to fixing their own bikes, and shipping them off for only the most delicate or complicated of jobs. This is not the case with the powertrain on eMTBs. A big part of this is down to the legality of these bikes. If the maker made it easy for you to pop the cover off and tweak it, then it would be all too easy to hack the motor to exceed the legal limit of 25km/h top speed and 250W power output (for instance: Bosch's 750W motor uses the same hardware as the 250W moto, only it's software differentiates the two). In other words, you are going to need to get to know your local bike shop a lot better. This is somewhat of a double-edged sword. While most people like the idea of supporting a local bike shop, they are running a business, so you are going to need to give them your hard-earned in return for fixing your kit.
Replacement Parts Replacement parts are another practical issue. Earlier this year, I smashed my bashguard on a rock, which meant the chain wouldn't complete one rotation of the sprocket without jamming behind it. It is one of the few things on the Bosch system that you can fix at home relatively easily. The parts are fairly cheap—the sprockets are 15 Euros and the bashguards are around 30. However, none of the local shops had the parts in stock, even the supposed eMTB specialists. This is definitely a concern. If I'm going to take my bike into a shop, then I expect them to have the basics to hand.
In the end, the internet solved the issue, but as soon as the parts arrived, it became clear that a 30-Euro special Bosch tool was needed to assemble them (a familiar story for most MTB systems these days). The repair itself took 10 minutes and the tool proved worthwhile for a couple of reasons. Firstly, a huge amount of dirt builds up around the sprocket, so whipping it all off and cleaning it fairly regularly is well-worth doing. Secondly, it meant I could experiment with different sprockets. Dropping from a 16t to a 14t sprocket made a big difference to the bike—it turned out that I was rarely using the 11-rooth end of the cassette, because the motor's assistance tops out at 25km/h. lower 14t drive sprocket moved my most-used gears towards the center of the cassette and reserved the big sprockets for climbing.
Where to Spend, Where to Save If you're buying parts for an eMTB, the calculations on where to invest your cash are different from a regular mountain bike. Good hubs are an absolute must. I have seen more than a few eMTBs with lunched freehubs as the extra torque tends to tear through them. I have been running DT's star ratchet system for nearly all of my 1,500km on the Cube and it seems to be holding up well so far. Conversely, with the rims: strong, wide, and cheap are the key ideas. You'd have to be either drunk or rich to consider mounting an Enve rim to an eBike. Ideally, you'd want a tough rim that is semi-disposable, somewhere in the 30–40mm-width range. (I have snapped four rims on my local DH track on the Cube.)
Cranks are another area to avoid investing in too heavily. Currently, many eMTBs come with FSA cranks, which are pretty much perfect, except they don't come shorter than 170mm. I have found that I am smashing my cranks on eBikes much more often than on my mountain bikes—mainly down to the steeper, more technical climbs that are possible, where you don't always have the luxury of timing your pedal strokes. At 40 Euros a set, I don't feel guilty about smashing FSA crank arms. If they last six months I'm happy. Miranda also make cranks at the same price point and they offer more options for both finish and length. Some of the recently-launched eMTBs come with some lovely-looking Race Face cranks. Don't get me wrong, I highly rate their products, but Race Face cranks can rarely be found at 40 Euros a pop. It's also worth playing with crank length - 175mm cranks don't really have any place on a modern mountain bike, in my opinion, and on an eMTB you can go even shorter. I have heard tell of German journalists running cranks as short as 135mm, but I'd start with 165mm first.
Same goes for drivetrain components. There is no point to buying a lightweight cassette or chain. You will pull them apart in no time at all. The SRAM's EX1 cassette is good, but at 450 Euros, it is certainly an investment and a half. After 1,500km, however, mine is still going strong, where normally I would expect to be on my third regular cassette. You'll need to choose whether to go for the big one-off purchase or more frequent smaller purchases. SRAM's one-step gear shift is frustrating at first, you miss the consistent spread, but it does seem to help increase the life of the chain and cassette, as it helps prevent you from putting the torque through the chain at odd angles when you shift multiple gears. Finally, you're going to want the biggest brakes you can find, ideally paired with 200mm rotors. When the bike weighs more than 20kg, saving 15g by dropping to 180mm rotors is foolish. A general rule is to approach your eMTB components choices as you would a DH bike, as it is going to receive more abuse than a regular mountain bike.
Suspension I will admit that my personal experience is a little off the back with some of the newer eMTB-specific options. The first thing I have found is that stock mountain bike suspension tends to be under-damped. Up front, my Cube has a standard 160mm Fox FIT4 Factory 36, which is widely rated as one of the best forks on the market, but I have it pushed to the end of its tuning range. I weigh 75–80kg (depending on the time of year) and when I was just working with air pressure, I had over 100psi in the fork to try and stop it from diving in steep compressions. Adding air tokens helped, but I am currently at four orange tokens, which feels like a lot for someone of my weight and ability (I believe it is about the same as Richie Rude runs for the EWS). I have since backed the air pressure down to 85psi and added on as much compression damping as I could (I feel the last click makes the fork too harsh), but it is still not quite there. My brief experience with the eMTB-specific Fox 36 has been positive, but I only have a few days on unfamiliar trails with it, nor have I spent much time on a Rockshox eMTB fork yet.
Out the back, I think the answer is simple: coil shock. For this kind of bike, where the weight is less critical, it is just a better way to go. The Fox X2 coil shock I am running has the advantage of high and low-speed compression adjustments, which means I can tune it to my personal preferences (this may not be the best solution for everyone). If anything, I would like a re-tuned compression lever, so that I can have modes with more damping for descending and general riding, then a completely open mode for technical climbing where I want every little bit of traction possible. Quite the opposite from present shocks.
Silencing Rattles Rattles are a big problem with the current Bosch system out in the real world. The battery mount is a cradle the bike manufacturer fits onto the frame, and most companies leave it at that. After a while, the battery starts to work loose on the trail and it make an unpleasant noise, especially when going fast. When Kieran was reviewing the Haibike we noticed that they had placed some foam underneath, which silenced the rattle. A quick scour of Amazon turned up adhesive foam that is mostly used by kayakers. At £10–£20 a roll it's pretty cheap, and a small piece under the battery silences it wonderfully (at the expense of needing to force the battery in slightly once it is in place). The next generation of eMTBS seem to have integrated batteries, so maybe this is a moot point, but when eMTBs cost as much as they do, it seems a fairly glaring oversight—especially one so easily solved.
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Can understand the concern in regards to trail access and it does need to be addressed. If enough people don't buy an e-mtb it will fade in time like any other fad.
I recently saw a bloke on the trails that was 76 years old. He was loving it. If I make it to 76 I'll consider an e-mtb for sure (tbh, if I make it to 40 I'll probably need an e-mtb.)
No really, 250W motors are plenty helpful when pedalling. I saw 1000W Stealth (Wanker) Bomber in action and it wasn't cool. It's about trail erosion. If bike makers will keep doing it, they will bring it upon themselves. People WILL hack the engine for max available power and then they will find a way of putting throttle dial on it. There is no point in putting throttle on a fkng 250W motor you'll just make an idiot out of yourself. Making pedal assisted E-MTBs remaining MTBs not motorcycles is crucial in my very honest opinion. Otherwise they can fk off and build their own trails. I don't think any motorcyclist would like to see one of them on moto trails.
It is a US specific misunderstanding to think of “throttle” operated eBikes when discussing it. Throttle ones are rare and Bikepark use only (like EGO Kit), these are not eBikes, these are eScooters. Cheers
Confusing
You can stand getting hit by water close to boiling for a split second but stay in 50 degrees celsius for 24 hours and you're done, same for electronics
Guess the nominal wattage being used is for the simple reason that (almost) any time you would talk about power consumption, it would be the nominal power that you refer to, no reason to change it for e-bikes, it is an electrical motor after all
For years now I don't follow auto-moto sites and reviews. More or less the only sites I visit daily are news portals and biking sites. I'm a simple man.
Yesterday evening my wife and I had a first date in 3 years (kids were secured more than 1100 km away). It was really nice.
On our way home I noticed one beautifull white Alfa Romeo 4c parked just opposite of ours family car. I have to be honest and admit that I don't know anything about that car. But I like it. And my wife also likes it. And my middle age crisis is getting stronger and stronger with every new morning..
So, dear Pinkbike, can you please, please, please make a comprehensible review of that car?
Thanks Pinkbike.
You're the best!
www.pinkbike.com/u/mattwragg/blog/opinion-the-campaign-for-worse-bicycles.html
The Alfa Romeo 4c has pedals?!?!?!?
Cool.....
We have seen 6 years old Batteries here and they still had 60 to 70% Capacity.
Cheers
So never discharge deeply your ebike and never keep it at 100%, especially for long term storage and you will be fine.
The tyres - yeah big is good, but schwalbe Procores are basically essential. Without them (or something similar) multiple punctures on every ride were inevitable.
The transmission gets absolutely NAILED (obviously due to far greater torque) so buying expensive stuff to save a few grams is complete pointless. SLX and Deore are the only groupsets to consider as replacement.
And of all the BS so-called eMTB "specific" components, the big one actually missing is suspension damping. I had to have both fork and shock tuned significantly - basically to add a crap load of compression damping, because the bikes own weight is so different to a normal bike
1. I've had 6 surgeries on my left knee, 2 on my right and in need of another. Practically no cartilage left. On my normal bike I can do about 10 miles before the pain gets too much, and the majority of that pain comes from the slow grinds up hill, and often I can barely walk the next day due to the pain. I absolutely love mountain biking having been hooked since 1988 when I got my first mtb and it absolutely sucks to be in the situation where I can only do a couple hour rides at the most.
2. e-bikes really are great fun! I've done a couple demo days and even though all of a sudden I can do the 30+ miles again it means I get more time doing the part of biking I love the most, hitting the DH trails!
So yeah, I may have a slightly different use case than others, but I still think they are damn good fun.
I looked at other non-eMTB's for £3000 and there didn't seem to be much difference other than they didn't have a motor. Spec and suspension travel are very similar, so I couldn't really see why I wouldn't get the one that pedals itself!
Dear Maxxis, please make a Minion DHRII Double Down 2.8 happen!
Sorry but those are all young teenagers complainning .
Who are from the recent past who saw and lives with Banshee Screams with Shiver and Marzo Monster with 25 kg (or more,the scales didnt handle it)
I didnt saw anyone complaining at the time.Only a few ones moans but they started to shave the hairs from legs,chest,armhole,beard epilation,using high heels and so on.I lost track of them
Plus anyone ridden a ebike then gone back to a regular bike- what's it like?
It makes your trail bike feel amazing - they feel so light and nimble after! Although it's good to keep mixing up which bike you ride so you get the benefits between them: the ebike builds strength, the trail bike builds leg power and the road bike builds endurance.
I thought that maybe I was just having a bad day so away it went for a few weeks. The next ride was nearly as bad slow long drags up the hills. again the distance was shorter (due to family I only can get out for a couple of hours) the only real positive was that the bike felt so light and was easier than ever to throw about.
in the end I sold all the bikes apart from the ebike and road bike as I felt I wasn't having as much fun on them.
I did consider keeping the Yeti just for up lift and park days as it was so nimble in the air.
But now i want a dh bike, because since I have the e-bike, Ive never had so much downhill rides and now I want more!
Interesting article! Could you give an estimation with those replacements, for example mtb costs 100€/month for replacement parts whereas ebike is 200€/month?
Not even talking about long term, if the battery lasts only a year or two, seems pretty expensive
--> In other words: Stamina + Power > Bike Bling
"Riding a 50lb bike, support from the sidewall becomes more crucial than ever" & "tyre deforms and feels vague" & "Out the back, I think the answer is simple: coil shock. For this kind of bike, where the weight is less critical, it is just a better way to go" & "you're going to want the biggest brakes you can find, ideally paired with 200mm rotors. When the bike weighs more than 20kg, saving 15g by dropping to 180mm rotors is foolish."
---> In other words: bike+rider over 100kg = coils + sturdy tires + big brakes
BTW, it seems Geometry is not that important.
In other words:
Cube Stereo Hybrid 160 size 20 (L) reach = 436mm, seems ok!
I have the current model, it's mint! The new one looks even better!
if I could be sure that nackered batteries were completely recycled and nothing went to the landfill then I might consider an eBike.
to be honest, even if these batteries were completely recycled,, i'd still find it hard to justify buying a bike that requires batteries.. when I've never needed to include this maintenance part before.
Until batteries stop being expensive and environment damaging, I wont consider an ebike... but I can completely understand the demand for these bikes among riders who need the power assist . i.e. old people/disabled.
I certainly wouldn't criticise my parents if they bought one for example.
On the tyre : I had trouble with all the Maxxis tyre, the side of the tyre is too weak, i just put some Magic Mary DH casing, that solve the issue, BUT, at the rear, the tyre worn out faster than a bullet. 2.8 and 2.6 is the perfect size
Brakes: 4 piston, 200 mm, is the minimum, I know hope is doing a 225mm, maybe i will try one day.
Battery : On the bosch, it starts to move after 500 km, I just solve the issue with electric tape, and some foam on the side.
Cranks : Twisted 2 cranks on the left side, Miranda is shit, sram is complicated to have in 165, Race Face is impossible to have, didn't know FSA have one, will try later. 160/165 should be the norm.
Suspension : FOX is limited, I have a Talas in front, complete shit. I want to put the new Hydraulic Ohlins, maybe, when I will be rich. RS Yari is very good with some work on it, that the opinion of a friend.
Wheels : I destroyed 2 rims, DT swiss 40MM, I think the 40 is too wide, 35 maybe is the good number, but for sure, rims are suffering, maybe insert will be a good solution.
Sram EX1 : I'm not totally convince and happy with the EX1, I don't have the new brakes, I have the Guide R, not very good. 8 speed is okay, the 14 speed on the motor is a very good idea. But the cassette, on the left, the differences between the speeds are too high, and the one between the 11/13/15 is not enough, I think they should rethink a little the 48/44/40. After, it's a strong cassette, after 1200 km, it's still running smoothly. I broke the internal of a shifter, don't know how.
After, my ride is a Mondraker e-crafty XR+, very good geometry, hope i will have the possibilty to switch to a integrated one
# unless Cube specified a Non-eMTB Fox 36 on that bike this is a EMTB Version of the 36 with reinforced stanchions, crown and steerer tube
# most European eEnduro riders have started to use 153 mm Miranda Cranks as a replacement, especially on Bikes with low BBs, like the Cube is with a BB of 330 mm to avoid pedal clipping
# of course you a right that expensive replacement parts are not the best route on eMTBs, but the eMTB specific SRAM EX-1 is for a reason a good replacement part, saves battery consumption especially when combined with 14T front
# I would consider running different tire sizes / widths on a eMTB, 2.5”-2.6” front (especially 29” front) for good cornering, steering precision, and 2.8”-3.0” rear for good traction and puncture resistance (27.5Plus or 26Plus rear)
Notice that more than 50% of all bikes in Alps already have electric support. Pinkbike would be crazy to loose these readers/interesting group.
E-Mtb is fact, is today, it will be always more and more and will be forever. It is just as carving skis at the end of 90's. And look the carving skis evolution by today...
You wear out cassette at 500 km? You must be one powerful rider. I would expect at least 5000 km.
My mate had his beem tuned in this way. He literally paid a tuner £250 to change some fields on the ecu from 0s and 1s to 2s and 3s, no tools required.
For example in France it's not illegal, but it moves it in the mopped/motorcycle category, meaning registration plate, lights, insurance etc....
Even if ridden on private track insurance is still required.
As for the tyres, I ran Schwalbe SG 2.35s, then Schwalbe 2.6 Apex, Maxxis 2.5 WT DD in succession. It was really, immediately noticeable how much more positive you could be on the bike with the DD casing, compared to the intermediate Apex tyres. On my Orbea (with the same rims) I can get away with Snakeskin casing with good security, I don't feel the need for a stronger carcass.
Brakes? Where I live in the South of France my test is always nose turns in tight switchbacks - to have enough power in the brake to pivot on a long descent when they are already hot. I have struggled with a whole bunch of different brakes on the ebike and at the EWS last year I found the combination of a smaller, lower profile rear tyre and a smaller rear rotor meant I cooked my brakes on one of the big stages. Since I switched up tyres and rotors I haven't had that issue since - the tyre means you have more traction when you need to brake, so you're on the brakes more and then the bigger rotor helps it cool.
This isn't in isolation from me, either - I have talked to other riders around me who ride these bikes and they are saying similar things.
While i'm here i'll call the same bs on the drivetrain issue too, you may have to replace your chain more regularly, that's literally it, chain stretch destroys drivetrains, nothing else comes close.
And ebike specific forks? Dude please listen to yourself.
"@deadmeat25: Nico Vouilloz's current setup: www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/article/nico-vouilloz-lapierre-overvolt-pro-bike-50493 TLDR: DH tyres, looking to switch to Saint brakes."
I don't see your point here, there is your answer, dh tyres, more powerful brakes, sorted, but only if you weigh over xxxkg or it doesn't matter.
But essentially your saying there is a lot of component innovation to get us up to pace. Sounds like going back 20yrs when I used to break cranks and rims all the time. Bend bars too. @mattwragg:
I appreciate this article. It seems it is not another bike to have on the side. It either requires very regular attention (and investment) or it spends the majority of the time in the garage waiting to be fixed.
For the rims I guess that heavy pedaling in uphill tech section can really put them down, especially in side loading department.
80kg is 12.5 stone, what are you a f*cking gnome? 12.5st is light for an actual man.
What is the minimum budget for a good ebike?