They've been trying with limited success for a couple of years now, especially in western Canada where they had a product rep and it didn't really amount to too much.
Damn, I could do with that Nukeproof. I could also have done with that chainguide two months ago, before I bought the same one from CRC for double that ...
Because Shimano tries to vendor lock you. "hey, there's a standard for disc mounting. Let's ignore it, & come up with our own method! Then people will HAVE to buy our hubs as well! ...how come these aren't selling, I don't get it."
Sony does the same crap quite often: "Hey, let's come up with a proprietary memory card standard for the PS Vita! We'll even ignore our previous standards! then we can charge far more than market value for the storage! ...how come these aren't selling, I don't get it."
I think it's partially due to Japanese culture: they're far more likely to be brand loyal over there, so they don't quite grasp that we don't have the same attachment to brand names.
Shimano rarely makes changes to an established standard unless it is a significant improvement.(They actually prefer standardization) Center lock rotors do a much better job of managing the load from braking forces applied to the hub. I have had no problems with center lock rotors at all.
...As long as you use hubs made by Shimano(GROG NOT LOVE CUP & CONE STYLE BEARING) or companies that have paid Shimano to use the standard... which is the idea. I'll trade the ability to buy I9 or Hope hubs over a "improved" standard, especially when I've never had problems with the "worse" option anyway.
Shimano LOVES standards. THEIR standards. Everybody else's standards, they have to be dragged kicking & screaming to.
Deore XT wheelset and XT centerlock icetech rotors ... loved the looks, feel, and heat dissipation- the thunking was just too much. And you cant fix it trail side without carrying special BB/cassette tools.
Playing devil's advocate here, @groghunter it was SRAM that made people buy a proprietary hub driver for their 11 speed drivetrain, with shimano's you can use any regular freehub. that being said, SRAMs 11 speed drivetrain was much better than shimanos... so maybe shimano might like standards
actually i take that all back shimano put an asymmetrical BCD on their new cranks, with neither side being a common standard either... god damn
Yes, they do pay Shimano for the right to use centerlock.
@mfbeast12 Was just thinking about it, & actually, the XD driver is less onerous than previous driver changes: you can retrofit an XD driver to a traditional 8 speed hub without a problem, it just takes manufacturing the thing www.xddriverbody.com (I can't hit that link from work, but the summary page on google implies that you can use the standard for free.)
If you compare that to all speed changes before 8 speed, you had no choice but to buy a whole new hub with shorter flange spaccing, because the driver got wider from 5, to 6, to 7, to 8(or you'd have stuff that didn't even run a cassette.) Shimano didn't really share that info either, companies generally had to wait for Shimano hubs to come out, then buy one & measure it before they could make their own.
We just got spoiled by the fact drivers didn't really change after the mid 90s, but this was the first time in the history of cassettes that you could expect a 5-6 year old hub to work with new components. Prior to the 8 speed length, you were buying new hubs every time you got a drivetrain upgrade.
huh, I wonder if that was the cause behind XX1 in the first place: Bunch of patents on FDs, eh? Here's a drivetrain that doesn't need one, & everybody loves it. YOUR MOVE, SHIMANO.
Probably why new XTR is so targeted toward keeping you on an FD.
Although @groghunter i do understand what youre saying and respect the fact that you seem to know more than me about this as i am 17 years old. Cheers mate ride on
Seriously dude. Nothing but awesome reviews, good battery life (rode for three hours without needing to recharge), and crazy bright, even on the lowest setting. Set it to the lowest setting for climbing, click it up to max brightness for the descents. You will not be disappointed. Bought one, loved it, bought a second one, and a few friends have the same thing and not one issue between all of us.
Yes. They're as bright as the really nice ones, and super cheap, but not super durable (my battery broke at the end of last winter). Still, I bought 2 new ones this year, because at that price its more than worth it even if they only last a season.
They're not a true 2800 lumen light, and the batteries suck and lose their ability to hold a charge rather quickly, but they are by far the best light for the money. I've been using these for the last 3 seasons of riding, and the light heads themselves are much nicer than the price would suggest. Even though the lumen claims are greatly exaggerated, they put off plenty of light, especially when running one on your bars, and another on your helmet, using the low setting for everything but the descents to improve the run time. I am planning on investing in a couple high quality batteries for these, and then I am confident they will give some great run times and high output.
The key with the cheap lights is to buy aftermarket battery packs. Look around amazon/ebay and you can find some good ones. I got nice waterproof 8400 mAh batteries for around $30 a pop.
Hnnnnggggggg that argyle would look and feel amazing on my bright orange p2.. and my current fork is too big anyways.. Come on wallet, pull through for me this month!
They've been trying with limited success for a couple of years now, especially in western Canada where they had a product rep and it didn't really amount to too much.
Sony does the same crap quite often: "Hey, let's come up with a proprietary memory card standard for the PS Vita! We'll even ignore our previous standards! then we can charge far more than market value for the storage! ...how come these aren't selling, I don't get it."
I think it's partially due to Japanese culture: they're far more likely to be brand loyal over there, so they don't quite grasp that we don't have the same attachment to brand names.
Shimano LOVES standards. THEIR standards. Everybody else's standards, they have to be dragged kicking & screaming to.
actually i take that all back shimano put an asymmetrical BCD on their new cranks, with neither side being a common standard either... god damn
@mfbeast12 Was just thinking about it, & actually, the XD driver is less onerous than previous driver changes: you can retrofit an XD driver to a traditional 8 speed hub without a problem, it just takes manufacturing the thing www.xddriverbody.com (I can't hit that link from work, but the summary page on google implies that you can use the standard for free.)
If you compare that to all speed changes before 8 speed, you had no choice but to buy a whole new hub with shorter flange spaccing, because the driver got wider from 5, to 6, to 7, to 8(or you'd have stuff that didn't even run a cassette.) Shimano didn't really share that info either, companies generally had to wait for Shimano hubs to come out, then buy one & measure it before they could make their own.
We just got spoiled by the fact drivers didn't really change after the mid 90s, but this was the first time in the history of cassettes that you could expect a 5-6 year old hub to work with new components. Prior to the 8 speed length, you were buying new hubs every time you got a drivetrain upgrade.
Probably why new XTR is so targeted toward keeping you on an FD.
Seriously dude. Nothing but awesome reviews, good battery life (rode for three hours without needing to recharge), and crazy bright, even on the lowest setting. Set it to the lowest setting for climbing, click it up to max brightness for the descents. You will not be disappointed. Bought one, loved it, bought a second one, and a few friends have the same thing and not one issue between all of us.