Earlier today the EWS and UCI announced an agreement to work together. We sat down with Chris Ball, the Managing Director of the EWS, to get some answers about what this means for the sport and the series.
Thanks for sitting down with us. First off, what, in a nutshell, is the agreement?
Well, it’s a massive step. For the first time we are working in true partnership in the UCI. They’ll benefit from our expertise, and we’ll benefit from their infrastructure and governance.
Ultimately we remain in control of our series. Our structures will remain the same. We will help the UCI write the rulebook for enduro globally, that they can then apply to the wider National Federations.
All the normal criticisms of the UCI—they aren’t on the ground, they don’t get it, etc.—we’ll be there for that now. We have a seat at the mountain bike commission, helping shape the future of the discipline.
We are voluntarily implementing neutral governance, removing ourselves from potential conflicts and ensuring the sport’s fairness. “Did X rider deserve this penalty?” “What’s the fairest process to determine Y?” That’s the crucial aspect for the sport, and that’s what this agreement is about. Sport, fairness, growth.
Another big aspect of this agreement is that the Trophy of Nations changes for 2019. The 3 best riders from every nation based on EWS rankings form a national team. Then, the weekend after final EWS we host the Trophy of Nations race, where riders transcend trade teams and race for their nation. It’s the combined national team times that decide the win. The winning nation gets the rainbow jersey.
For me this signifies what EWS is all about, and the UCI is excited about bringing individuals together as nations. It’s great for federations to boost support, it’s great for fans, and it’s a huge aspect of this agreement for me.The event is still run by us, but now it’s neutral, officially recognized, and has the prestige of the rainbow jersey.
Is it something you can walk away from if things don’t go the way you hope? Or have you in effect signed the series over to the UCI?
We haven’t signed the EWS series over the UCI, and we can walk away if things don’t work out. We’re not selling the sport—we’re actually paying them.
How did this agreement happen? What was the impetus?
We’ve been talking to the UCI since we started the EWS, and since his election David Lappartient has accelerated things.
I’ve lost track of how many versions of an agreement we’ve had over the years. Going back and forth, us reaching understandings about what they need, trying to understand what responsibilities each party should have, and both of us operating at the level we want to.
I think people always assumed we were against the UCI—I’d left the UCI, things went back and forth on enduro, etc., but that’s never been the case. Our policy has been an open door since the beginning, and we always said that when the partnership could work, we want to make it happen. We’ve always done what we feel is best with the sport, and we always said we’d work with the UCI on mutual terms when it was the right thing for the sport
The initial reaction of many is fear that the EWS will take on the perceived negative traits of the UCI. What would you say to those people?
Trust us.
What do you think of the criticism and concerns?
I view people’s concerns as a huge positive. People are rightly concerned about something they care about. We’re on the same page as everyone who doesn’t want to see a good thing ruined; I’d be more worried if people weren’t concerned.
I love the remote, raw, challenging nature of EWS races. What kind of influence will the UCI have over venues going forward?
None. That remains with the EWS. Why would we mess with a good thing?
I can’t think of an instance where UCI works with a league or series on this level. In DH they control a lot more aspects of the discipline. What’s different about the EWS?
It’s definitely a new model for the UCI, and I think it shows a rapid change in the way they work. In every other discipline the UCI runs the show. So this is a new era for the UCI in that regard.
I think with the UCI of past there have been many challenges and rightful criticisms, but there have now been a few presidents who have helped move things forward.
There will be changes to the sport of enduro, but not in the things people are worried about; the trails, the racing, the people that we work with will remain the same. What will improve is the neutrality, the stability, etc. from avoiding sporting and commercial conflicts.
Doping has been a persistent concern among fans, teams, and riders. With the UCI involved now, how does that play out?
Basically WADA has a set of protocols which are linked to federations and foundations in all sport. Years ago the antidoping wing of the UCI split, for neutrality purposes, into something called CADF (Cycling Anti-Doping Foundation). They are tasked with monitoring all UCI cycling disciplines, and EWS will now be one of them.
Testing costs money, and now the next step is to roll out more testing. The EWS will ramp up the amount of tests we pay for, and over the next 3-5 years we’ll dramatically increase our doping controls.
The CADF is the very cutting edge. Cycling has tested more people and caught more people than most other sports, so we’re happy to have access to them now.
Will this agreement change your coverage? Will we see live streams anytime soon?
This agreement is based purely on sport and doesn’t impact our media coverage. In media we’re looking at lots of avenues to improve and expand our coverage year on year—for example our partnership with Pinkbike.
I’m excited about this agreement because it’s going to help the sport grow, and the larger the sport gets, the more we’re able to do. From doping controls, to media coverage, to everything.
Thanks for talking with us!
Chris Ball will be joining us next week for an Ask Me Anything to address questions about their agreement with the UCI and everything else enduro, so get your thinking caps on!
Well it's the UCI. That is what they do...'mess with a good thing'
Admitted UCI detractor. Down votes coming I know...
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Hey Pinkbike, can we do a Poll on this - for or against UCI.
For the record, I'm not cool with it. You would likely have been better to sign a contract with Pizza Hut, at least they wouldn't try to control everything.... except the pizza, and that's completely fine.
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There seems to be this unfounded conspiracyiving on line that there must be a doping problem with some EWS riders, but this is unfounded when based on facts and reality.
Then rethink where you are getting your version of the facts
'What will improve is the neutrality, the stability, etc. from avoiding sporting and commercial conflicts' - This doesn't sound like a benefit in any way, in what way is the EWS not neutral? In what way is it not already stable? It seems pretty popular to me?!
'we’ll benefit from their infrastructure and governance' - how? What is their infrastructure that will help us and in what way will their governance help?
We are voluntarily implementing neutral governance, removing ourselves from potential conflicts and ensuring the sport’s fairness. “Did X rider deserve this penalty?” “What’s the fairest process to determine Y?” That’s the crucial aspect for the sport, and that’s what this agreement is about. Sport, fairness, growth. - Why is this not possible to be governed by the EWS community in some way already?
We will get a EWS world champs - This sounds like the only genuine bonus, people get to race for national pride. Is it worth the (poison chalice?) relationship...?
Granted, this is through some rosey red lenses, and I have some serious doubts if it'll pan out while dodging all of the negative bullshit that will undoubtedly come with it.
Not good enough.
The UCI I know and facetiously love is known for doing the complete opposite of this. This years start order stupidity on the DH world cup is a perfect example.
The UCI doesn't have good solutions to these problems. Call me a cynic but you know how I can tell if a professional road cyclist is doping? They're winning.
I still tell myself the UCI DH world cup doesn't have these problems, but after a few odd timing gaps on certain courses this year I'm not so sure. It's getting to the point where I don't like watching racing at all, and prefer to see someone's personal edits and go pro footage.
kinda like when an acquaintance tells you they have a “legitimate” business opportunity they’d like to tell you about. Immediate disqualifier right there.
Sorry Chris, move of us love what you and your team have created in the EWS. However, almost NONE of us trust the UCI in almost any regard.
The fact remains the UCI isn´t doing this to take part, they do it to take over.
If Mr. Ball thinks otherwise he´s delusional.
The scale of magnitude we´re talking here is like google buying some up and coming startup just to let them go about their business as usual without any interruption at all.
Never gonna happen.
Within time, growth will be expected. Media rights will be sold and venues "adjusted" accordingly.
We´ve all seen downhill head down a dark road this year with the Red Bull 3 minute media limitation. I expect nothing less for EWS.
I have listened to Martin's interview twice. Very insightful and loads of respect to what he has built over the years. However, UCI has a proven track record of neglecting cycling disciplines that are not road racing while over regulating or removing the true spirit of an discipline once they come on board. A recent example:
Much has been said of the logistics of a DH race for example (track prep, camera /live, feeds, grandstands, video screens) and then in the same breath they axed 4X /Slalom because is was too difficult? The entire course can be seen with half the cameras, every race has fans lining the course and a fan favorite.
Most of us here are not discounting the complexities of putting on a race, a series or governance (promoters usually do the event-specific grunt work BTW). However, UCI looks at MTB as a step child. The largest perception is EWS created it's own product, developed a market and created the value, UCI is coming in to leech off of it.
Rant over
That is all well and good,but the fact remains that dh for the fans and as a sport is changing because of the UCIs decisions. I'm the last to discount the money influx the higher exposure can create but in the end,as bman33 said,it matters where that money ends up. I've yet to see a rider with a Mercedes sponsoring, so as it stands the biggest beneficiary is the UCI themselves. All the while coverage for fans has been massively cut down due to Red Bull media limitations, we get less races every year and it's more of a european championship than a real worldcup when you consider the venues. So if there's that much influx of money they better get crackin and show us what they're getting paid to do or we have to assume they just stash the cash and put it into different disciplines.
So yeah, from my perspective dh is going down the drain in more than a few ways. That is not a one way street though and of course there have also been improvements, i'm not denying that. But to stop calling out existing problems because they did something else right isn't helping anyone.
No question about that.
However i´d say that is down to accessibility aspects which have grown massively in recent years. We got cheaper and more reliable bikes as well as a huge increase in bikeparks being built, all resulting in much better conditions for talent to flow into the sport and grow. Also much bigger exposure in mainstream media, but that is more due to Red Bull and i do consider bringing them onboard not an achievement of the UCI. RB does what they want to do and scout their own sponsorships/media interests. That´s not an acomplishment of the UCI. On the contrary, they have made it hard for privateers to promote themselves and get support due to helmet cam limitations and cutting the rider field for finals. While of course endless debates can be had about these changes, and i´m definitely not saying they´re completely stupid, they have had the effects i´ve described, therefore doing the opposite of what the UCI should be doing.
IMHO what you´re saying is more like the sport is growing DESPITE the UCI's best efforts to kill it off. Which of course is a great thing in and of itself, but doesn´t really shine a good light on the UCI either
from my perspective i can only see this is as a good way to sustain the future of the EWS.... and honestly its really the only practical solution....
i was an amateur rider in europe and a pro in the 2000's and i can tell you that it was harder than it needed to be to win a race back then... if EWS is growing without doping controls i would hate to be a young rider hoping to be at the top..... I also organized races and am founding member of CES doing work every week to tackle the issues chris is focused on as his main job, and getting that governance support is something that is sorely needed, and its something that the riders expect and deserve...
Doping control is good. It needs to be there. However -WADA is fanatical. Trace amounts of substances tha couldnt impact performance are resulting in multi year bans- that isnt good for any sport.
If WADA bans a rider for synepherine in an allergy medication and considers it performance enhancing then they have no business testing.
EPO, test and other hormones, sure.
But like froome - banned from using albuterol. Show me studies backing the performance enhancement of a beta agonist that raises heart rate and is a mild bronchiadialator and Ill say sure - wreck his career.
Just wait till mountain bikers cant smoke weed... EWS gonna be over.
As for the governence, and how it relates to rule creation and enforcement, again, the UCI has a nearly perfect tract record of making utterly terrible decisions.
As for managing the races, okay, I guess you can count that as a win for UCI. However, hasn't EWS been pretty damn good at that all along? Hosting races that are arguably every bit as complex as anything on the UCI calendar, in Countries that are far more difficult to work in. I don't see what the addition of the UCI brings to the table. Local event organizers will always be the most important part of putting on an event, something EWS will still have to source outside of UCI.
Not saying you have to agree with my opinion, I've been involved with and a fan of professional cycling for decades and have yet to see UCI bring much of anything to the table that couldn't be accomplished just as well without them.
Yeah,EWS works about perfect,but for XC, DH I don't see any alternatives.
When UCI dropped 4X everybody said it would be better off without UCI, well is it now?
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Enjoy it while you can. Traditional MTB trail riding is going to crash and burn as we know it in less than 20 years. Even trail riding today on the same trails that existing 20 years ago doesn't feel the same - too commercialized. Advocates, bureaucrats, lobbyists, manufacturers, etc, are all hellbent on the accessibility narrative: neuter trails, control access, e-bikes for everyone and their mother.
The days of where only the tough were rewarded for trekking several hours in an isolated forest for a big payoff will be long gone. We'll all be zipping around on smooth gravel roads through the woods side-by-side with elders and little children on powered bikes. All the tech stuff will be hidden behind paywalls on private lands and at bike parks.
there's a handful of salt being taken here with EWS, but given the changes in other disciplines that started to happen when McQuad was ousted at UCI (leading to the wave of changes that ousted Cookson recently), there exists what i consider a pretty good chance the partnership will elevate EWS. Bringing the legitimacy of the recognized sanctioning body and Olympic federation to EWS could really contribute to the professionalism of the sport.
although like any referees there are instances of bad calls, the impartiality that is inherent in officiation by a sanctioning body like the UCI definitely overcomes any potential conflicts of interest that can arise between sponsors and the events/organization. that means when you crown someone a world champion, their results can be certified by the most reputable record-keepers in the sport as being accurate. that's not nothing.
all the weed smokers don't have to worry, because the tests for stuff like THC generally only get a hit if you're actively ripping bongs in between stages. i guess this actually happens, but intoxicated participants are a f*cking administrative nightmare that *any* organization worth it's salt should be prohibiting. Hollywood is the only person i know about to get a guilty verdict for THC, but that dude is always high.
time will tell if Bell can keep it together without sanitization. that's kind of the ultimate end for any sport that expects progress, though. it gets to a certain level and then there's some pandering to things like marketing and media products to be sustainable.
"Money money money..."
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So with out the UCI you're pretty much looking at the World Cup downhill not existing, and chances are Greg Minaar may not have made his way to Europe.
Yes they do a lot of rubbish stuff, they make bad decisions and can be a pain in the ass, but in the end you would not have a World Cup series without them.
Do some research, and stop jumping on the bandwagon.
i'm just a fan, nothing really at stake here, so i'll just watch it mature and either hold onto the essence
of what Fred Glo & Franco started, or watch it unravel and wait for an outlaw version to emerge.
And btw, the EWS and UCI partnership is more client - vendor, respectively, than anything else so there shouldn't be any worries about "the UCI taking over the Enduro World Series".
UK, France, Switzerland and Canada will be ok but what about everyone else??!!!
Notice pros have to ride the same national track as 5 year pld girls?
So the EWS and UCI union—-
The main point for UCI will be profit. No surprise here.
This will come in the form of more riders racing EWS sanctioned events. As a result of more riders, the flow of riders down each course must be improved to facilitate timely finishes.
A) Better organization ((Yeah))
B) easier tracks (f*ck!)
So say goodbye to all the gnarly tracks and free thinking fun. It diminishes profits and UCI cant have that.
So, I say dont race highly organized events associated with the UCI. Lets Kill this beast before it kills our fun.
www.pinkbike.com/news/one-question-does-mountain-biking-need-the-uci.html
Doping.. is that even an issue in EWS or DH?
Trophy of Nations??
I will try Chris...
But the word UCI together EWS...
Goin’ ride... it’s better...
Enlighten me, please!
If your fresh and not fatigued from riding around all day, you will be a lot faster going downhill. If your stronger you will be hold lines for longer. If those 20 pedal strokes you put in on a stage are @ 800 watts rather than 600 then you will be faster etc etc. All can be enhanced by drugs.
The difference between winning and nobody is 5% in the EWS. Physical conditioning is a huge part of it.
I'd like to think differently, but maybe I am wrong...
CB: "None. That remains with the EWS. Why would we mess with a good thing?"
Crazy idea for you, my man; maybe try reading the article first.
Your premise of the UCI taking over the EWS is based on solely on personal bias, the relative size of the UCI organization, and completely ignores their agreed upon roles and duties as defined in their legal contract with each other and is explained by Ball in the article above.
you can buy way more powerful PCs
yeah that iMac pro is ok but that literally one single product (which has tons of others issues)
>if you need to get work done on time with tight deadlines its very dicy to trust PCs.
and this is even less true because MacBooks or iMacs have way less powerful hardware than windows based machines
if you need work done on time you are doing it on a custom build machine not on iMac that cant even run its CPU on max because it thermal throttles after 5min
ok you clearly have no idea what you're talking about
apple is using LITERALLY the same hardware that is available on the open market to other companies or normal customers
some of the stuff is proprietary but the internals are manufactured on the same standards as everything else
taking IMac as en example the only thing that apple designed there, as far as hardware goes, is motherboard (which actually is of lower quality than high-end stuff for PCs) the rest they just bought from companies like Intel, dell, Samsung, Foxconn, AMD
fact is, MacBooks and iMacs are no longer that great, they are internally the same as windows machines but usually overpriced and with terrible cooling. you can argue build quality of chassis but there are many examples of laptops which are as good as macbooks but more powerfull and or cheaper