No, your eyes aren't playing tricks on you – there's a new Ibis in the world, and it has a straight top tube. Developed with input from Ibis' Enduro World Cup race team, the HD6 is sort of a mash up, a combination of elements from the ever-popular Ripmo and the HD5. It takes its place as the longest travel option in Ibis' lineup, with 165mm of rear travel, a 180mm fork, and a mixed wheel setup.
That 165mm of travel is still delivered by a dw-link suspension layout, which uses two short co-rotating links, but the configuration is different than what Ibis has used in the past. The upper link now sits in front of the top tube, where it drives a pint-sized yoke that's attached to the shock.
Ibis HD6 Details• Wheel size: 29" front / 27.5" rear
• Carbon frame
• 165mm rear travel, 180mm fork
• 64° head angle
• 435mm chainstays
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL, XXL
• Frame + shock weight: 7.7 lb (3500 grams)
• MSRP: $6,099 - $11,199 USD
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ibiscycles.com According to Ibis, the HD6's suspension was designed to be sensitive off the top, with enough progression for big hits. Granted, that's typically the goal of all modern suspension designs, but it's a good one to shoot for. The bike is also air or coil shock compatible, allowing riders to choose which suspension feel they prefer.
There are four complete models to choose from, with prices starting at $6,099 and going up to $11,199 USD. The frame and shock only is $3,899 USD, and is available with either a green, purple, or orange paint job.
Frame DetailsIt's amazing how much straight lines can improve a bike's looks. I'm a fan of the HD6's frame shape – the sharper angles and lack of swoopy shapes gives it a much more modern appearance. It's quite light, too, weighing in at a claimed 7.7 lb (3500 grams) for a size large with a Float X2 shock.
Cable tunnels run inside the frame to keep the noise down and simplify component swaps, and the universal derailleur hanger makes it easy to find a spare, or run SRAM Transmission.
The top of the downtube has a slight recess to allow for more room for a water bottle, and all but the smallest size can accommodate a 26 oz bottle. There are also accessory mounts on the underside of the top tube, and room for Ibis' Pork Chop frame bag.
Other details include removable ISCG tabs, generous chainslap protection, downtube protection, and a little flap over the lower link to keep rocks out. The frame is covered by a lifetime warranty, a warranty that also covers the bushings used on the lower link.
GeometryThe HD6 may be bigger and burlier than anything Ibis has created in the past, but looking at the numbers it's actually not
that wild. The head angle sits at 64-degrees with a 180mm fork, which isn't super-slack in the grand scheme of things.
For comparison with other mixed-wheel machines, a Santa Cruz Nomad with a 170mm fork has a 63.5-degree head angle, as does a Canyon Torque; a Transition Patrol with a 160mm fork checks in a 63-degrees. Of course, slacker doesn't automatically mean better – there's certainly a place in the world for a slightly quicker handling long travel bike, especially for riders without easy access to super steep terrain.
The seat tube angle on the HD6 gets steeper as the sizes go up in order to keep taller riders from ending up too far over the rear axle when the seat post is fully extended, starting at 76-degrees for a size small and going up to 77.5 degrees for the XXL. It's a good tactic, although it's a little surprising Ibis didn't tweak the chainstay length too – it measures 435mm across the board. The 34.9mm seat tube itself is short enough to run long travel dropper posts without any issues.
Another number that's a little curious is the head tube length. The size large I've been testing has a head tube of 91mm; that's the size of a small headtube from most manufacturers. Shorter head tubes can be used to keep a bike's stack number in check, but in the case of a more gravity oriented bike like this, a higher front end tends to be beneficial, not detrimental.
Build KitsRide ImpressionsI know, weight supposedly doesn't matter (at least that's what
the internet says), but it sure is nice to have a bike with this much travel that doesn't feel like it's actively trying to pull you backwards down the hill. Even with dual Double Down casing tires, the size large HD6 I've been testing weighs in under 33 pounds (15 kg).
The HD6's pedaling manners are quite similar to that of the Ripmo – it's a great blend of being efficient and active, and there's plenty of support for out-of-the-saddle pedaling, along with good sensitivity off the top that helps provide more traction. The climbing position on the size large is comfortable for my 5'11” height; I mentioned the short headtube earlier, but with a stack of spacers under the stem and Ibis' 30mm rise bars I ended up in a fairly upright pedaling position, and it's worked well on the handful of rides I've taken the HD6 on so far.
When it comes time to descend, the HD6 is a very manageable, maneuverable bike. Oftentimes I'll find myself writing something like, “It needs the right terrain to come alive” when reviewing bikes in this category, but that doesn't apply as much to the HD6. Yes, it has a lot of travel, but it's not a big, sprawling beast. It's more of an enduro bike for the masses, one that's not overly demanding to ride, and doesn't require high speeds or an extra helping of aggression to deliver a good time.
Slower, more awkward sections don't stymie it, and it's easy to see how it would work well on tighter, trickier enduro race stages. The short back end makes manuals and jumping a breeze, although I do wish it had a chainstay flip chip – it'd be interesting to see how the character of the HD6 changed with longer chainstays. I'm also curious how it would perform with a slightly slacker head angle, although that's much easier to accomplish with an angle-adjusting headset. I'll add that to my to-do list and report back once I get enough miles in for a long-term review.
Photos: Lear Miller / Ibis
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> It looks the same as every other bike now
Agree
>unique fluid shape that looked great
Disagree haha.
Its true tho, carbon bike design has converged in the last few years. Curves aren't as strong or light as straight lines, carbon tubes seem to have an optimal profile, and droppers need short seat tubes. Unless you go steel or titanium, its getting really hard for your bike to stand out. So do you go for a "beautiful" bike that looks like every one elses beautiful bike, or go unique at the risk of ugly?
I’m excited to see what is next for Ibis… (hint- please bring this lovely straight top tube to the new Ripmo and Ripey)
But hey, at least it looks good, right?!
what's next, a chick with a dick??????
oh god dammit.....
Good to see proper tyres from stock and lower end model coming with top speck suspension. Also, colors are sick, pricing is nuts, and attention to details seems top notch.
Everything must be gx for that kind of money, AT LEAST
All of the important parts for going downhill are well sorted on the "GX" build. I'd much rather replace the shit drivetrain as it wears vs. buy new brakes on day 1.
My point is that while in a blind test, no one would know - other than the shifter - what drivetrain they had. If you can tell me you can tell a GX from NX crank while riding, or derailleur, I call BS.
Brakes, on the other hand, are top level SRAM, because they actually make a difference. (maybe a RS vs. RSC can be debated, but they what they didn't do is spec an R Guide.)
That said, while I'm personally on the side of "team long, or at least size specific" chainstays, I do know plenty of people like short chainstays.
At least there are some brands now with longer stays (Forbidden, Norco, Banshee, etc).
"Interesting that they changed the seat tube angle per size, but not the chainstay."
They're making a new front triangle mold per size anyway. Using a single rear triangle mold cuts costs.
Doing size specific chainstays doesn’t require separate rear molds.
Norco and others actually just change the location of the main pivot on the front triangle (that as you said is going to be size specific either way).
@danielomeara
I totally agree. I love how some brands do this (the Kona Process X is adjustable between 435-450mm in one 15mm movement, while RAAW offers 5 and 10mm of adjustment on the Madonna).
But, was saying at least now there are some brands that offer longer stays now. For a while it seemed like everything was “as short of stays as physically possible”.
Currently I’m on a Banshee Titan with 452mm chainstays, and loving it.
I just picked up a Lenz Fatillac which sports a chainstay that’s a mere 415mm! It’s my second Fatillac so I kinda remember how it rides…
And all I Hotta say is “wow this thing is agile!, and it gives up nothing in high speed stability.
I'll just put 50mm of headset spacers in and I'm ready to have the ultimate bike. Great inclusive bike design Ibis!
For those who like to ride rough janky fast trails, not so great....
The new HD6 looks like a solid choice for a size S/ M rider however.
I will admit that steeper STA's might negate some of the need for long chainstays. YTBD.
Stupid short chains stays means you have to ride constantly in an extremely aggressive attack position just to maintain front wheel traction. This is massively fatiguing!
Never again.
What are those close competitors with 4,4kg carbon frames with shock?
For example Patrol is 3,36kg
Like I said, I'm just going off on a tangent not related to this article. The new HD6 is a pretty sick bike!
The X2 has gotten a bad rap over the past couple of years, and I don't think it's baseless, but for as many as are out there, I think it's not as widespread as the PB comment section would lead one to believe. I've been fortunate enough to not really have had any problems with mine across multiple units. I had one get a little squelchy, but it was way past its service interval and getting it serviced took care of it. I can't fault the unit there.
But that said, you can see by their GX kit how they feel about saving a buck already..
Also thank you Ibis for having a frame only option, and at a somewhat reasonable price (relative to where the market is anyway)
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Ibis XXL stack: 685
Megatower XXL stack: 670
If I were to guess, I'd say that Ibis will come out with a "full 29er" soon - but it will probably be watered down in the rear-travel department, which will be a bummer. Fix the items above and leave me with a 180/170 29er and DW-Link suspension - woof. That would be a ripper!
Geo for the larger sizes is not for me, and why is the seat tube measured in inches when everything else is in mm?
Head tube is crazy short, and agree it needs the full 29" option.
The short rear centre makes me wonder if DW LINK bikes don't run well with longer rear centres? Even Pivot size specific rear centres are still comparatively short.
@mikekazimer
Is this why Levy disappeared, he was trying to speak freely about max insertion depths?
So I think it's way better like that ! Not all the bikes should ride and look the same...
Nevertheless, this could be easily rectified with a 170mm fork and -1 angle adjust headset. Additionally, I don't believe it would have much if any negative impacts on the bikes handling as there would be little to no measurable change to the wheel base. Having a 170 fork would make it more balanced and the only possible downside I see would be the slightly slackened SA which you could manage by simply sliding the saddle forward.
@andelinc Agreed. This also makes me suspect that the Ripmo will get revised or simply disappear.
This on the XXL would sell like hot cakes!
But I’m with you, I’d prefer a more traditional length headtube/ but i must say, i’m a fan of the looks of a shorter head tube
@mikekazimer would it be possible to run a 28T chainring and still use the 10T cog?
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Guess they don't really say whether it's the updated x2 or not.
It Looks like a bike, only so many variations you can do with a bike
But $6899 for an SLX build when other companies have SLX builds under $4000? Literally a $3300 upcharge over a Spectral with SLX, for example? Yeesh. That's a hard sell.
And yeah I know Canyon is consumer direct, but it's two comparable bikes.
then you should. lucky you, riding a Canyon and another cheap bike
This looks like a bike for more discerning riders
I thought GX was more expensive.
Slx brakes are 186 per brake and code RSCs are $264.
NX shifter on the GX build is a bit of a s**t move but at least there still is a 520% range.
Not sure why you insist on comparing to a consumer direct, lower end spec bike lol. And given the choice between a DW link or Horst link, I think DW is superior as well.
1/ Fox Factory-level suspension across the board;
2/ DW-link vs Horst link: it is not debatable that a DW is a much, much more efficient pedaler than any Horst (that may matter to you or it may not);
3/ Re-sale either frame or complete of an Ibis dwarfs that of a Canyon;
4/ Ibis (a premium brand by anyone’s definition) and a consumer-direct brand comparison will always be a false conceit, because each sales model Brings its own advantages and disadvantages
Want a consumer direct bike, buy one. Want a higher end boutique bike... buy one. You an't put Yeti, SC, Ibis or any of these other brands on the same playing field as a Spectral.
I mean.... you can buy an NS hard tail frame for like $400... a Chameleon is $1100.... That logo costs money.
"34.9mm seat tube ID for stiffness and durability with droppers over 200mm"
I've had zero issues with the bushings on my 5-year-old Ripmo.
With Kazimer describing its character as mainly lightweight, efficient, maneuverable and manageable, I just don't see it making any sense. It's like this bike is the wrong tool for the job either way, wheter you ride gnarly or mellow terrain.
Either you ride mainly steep, gnarly terrain. If so, a slacker bike with a more well balanced geometry and more progressive suspension like the Nomad would surely be a lot more capable and better suited. Or your terrain isn't gnarly and steep. Then you'd be much better off with a more all-round focused 29er trail bike.
Why would you want a bike with 160+mm of travel and then try to make it mainly lightweight, efficient and "manageable"? Seems very ass-backwards to me.
I speak for riders in Colorado to say that this is certainly the case. We have everything from "black diamond" to "green" trails scattered along the front range mountains - and many are just an hour's drive from bike parks. Personally, I ride a brutish 170/170 29er which is basically overbuilt to be prepared for park days (and weighs 37 lbs!). But it definitely takes some of the fun out of days when I am cruising on blue trails with some of my buddies.
First the fooking head badge and now straight fooking top tubes?!?!
Time to paint over my Ibis tattoo and throw my v2 in the fkn trash so it can be #oceanfill like it deserves!
Wait wut?
Pinkbike as usual passes what is probably a single ride as a test and makes up numbers, especially when it comes to weight. The 7.7 frame weight seems wrong (Ibis claims a sub six pounds weight for the frame without shock on their web site), and the 33 pounds weight they quote is just imaginary because they actually did not weight the bike, and it is unclear what version did they took out for a spin.
From Ibis' website:
"How much does a complete bike weigh?
A size large HD6 frame with an X2 weighs 7.7 lbs / 3.5kg. Our complete builds (size large) begin at 31.66 lbs (14.54 kg) with all frame protection installed and sealant in the tires."
cool story, Hansel.
I think it's actually ok if the head angle varies by a degree amongst a dozen bikes in the same category. Also, does it take an angleset? Dad-duro types like me can actually get by with 64. Rad-duros like you fo shizzle need 63!
Not sure why people think I’m attacking their bikes or what they can do on them but the only selling point ibis has is the Dw link suspension which I had on the v1 ripmo and ended up hating once I started pushing my limits (not enough support for bigger hits and quickly got hung up in chunk).
If you’re riding a 66 deg ha bike try a 63 deg ride, they’re much more fun in anything past a fire road descent
I think seeing longer stays on 27.5 bikes goes against what most people are looking for in those bikes.