Transition revamped the 29"-wheeled
Sentinel and 27.5"
Scout last year. In both cases they bumped up the travel and bumped up the entry price, as the bikes were available in carbon only. Plenty of commenters bemoaned the lack of an alloy version, which is exactly what Transition is launching today. The alloy Scout and Sentinel are available in two build options, NX and GX, plus a frame-only option. The NX build costs $3,899 USD, the GX goes for $4,999 USD, and the frame-only is $2,099.
The geometry and suspension design of the alloy bikes match the carbon versions, and the frames share a lot of the same details including threaded bottom brackets, Enduro Max Bearings, room for a water bottle on the downtube and bosses for a tool holder under the top tube, plus SRAM's Universal Derailleur Hanger. The Sentinel is available in five sizes from Small to XXL, while the Scout is aimed at shorter riders, running from XS to Large.
Alloy Sentinel and Scout frame Details• Sentinel - 150mm/160mm, 29" wheels
• Scout - 140mm/150mm, 27.5" wheels
• Lifetime warranty
• SRAM Universal Derailleur Hanger
• Enduro Max sealed bearings with bearing shields on main pivot
• Threaded BB
• Molded Rubber frame protection
• External rear brake hose routing
• Water bottle and tool caddy bosses
• NX: $3,899 USD, GX: $4,999 USD, Frame only: $2,099
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www.transitionbikes.com Weight According to Transition, the alloy frame is about 2 lbs (0.9 kg) heavier than the carbon version. Transition didn't have any full-production, painted alloy frames available to physically weigh when I asked about frame weights, but they calculated/estimated the frame weights as well as providing measured complete bike weights.
MD Scout alloy frameset - 8.95lb / 4.06kg (calculated)
MD Sentinel alloy frameset - 8.97lb / 4.07kg (calculated)
MD Scout NX complete - 34.81lb / 15.79kg (actual weight)
MD Sentinel NX complete - 35.78lb / 16.23kg (actual weight)
Build kits All bikes use Fox suspension, with Performance Elite level dampers on GX builds (basically top-end suspension minus the Kashima coat) and Performance level on the NX build (which does without high-speed compression or high-speed rebound adjustment on the fork and without compression adjustment on the shock). The drivetrains are as the names suggest (with no hidden downgrades) and the GX builds use SRAM's Code RSC brakes while NX bikes get the Code R. One detail to note is the 29" Sentinel has larger rotors than the 27.5" Scout, offsetting the extra leverage of the bigger wheel. Perhaps some riders would prefer even bigger rotors, but Transition deserves credit for choosing the Code over the G2 brakes which are often spec'd at this travel range.
Both models of both bikes come with Maxxis Assegai 3C EXO+ / Maxxis Minion DHRII 3C EXO+ tires, and a OneUP dropper post with up to 210mm of travel on size large and up.
The Sentinel and Scout alloy are in stock and some will be with dealers by the time you read this.
Yet, here we are, after Covid.
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Did it come with PE level squish and Code RSCs? Also was that sale or msrp?
SLX RAF was $4k from day one. Currently $4300 so small increase but agree always a great value. Also that build is about or over 34 pounds with an air shock.
The Tranny frames are about .7 pound heavier but also have a lifetime warranty. Agree 5k gx doesn’t ‘scream’ value but at least you get top shelf suspension and brakes and nothing to upgrade.
We like new and shiny things and Deore level was never shiny enough
Yes, I realize that it’s now endemic, but stateside, at least, we’re done with lockdowns.
Vietnam and Australia, I can’t speak to.
Id prefer these GX builds have Performance or Select+ suspension and R or RS brakes to get the price closer to $4k than $5k.
They have GX carbon Sentinel's for $5k. I cant see $5k for AL unless its all you can find available.
www.autotrader.ca/a/toyota/tacoma/kelowna/british%20columbia/5_52640949_20210129163940875/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=2_15_28&pc=V1W%201S6&sprx=100
Em Te Be as most of us practice it is a recreational hobby, not an entitlement that needs to be "affordable".
Beginners are just fine starting off with a $1k hardtail, and it's ok if they have to save for that. My first mtb in 1994 was $500 ($923 in 2021 freedom smackaroos) which was a normal entry level rigid trail bike for the time that I had shartloads of fun on.
Anyways for those of us who are obsessed we pay the price for high performance things. And there are plenty of alu frame only options in the 2k range (not "cheap" but not $3.5k like carbon frames) as a jumping off point to a build. I bet you can build something with a new or used alu frame + sale/used parts for way less than these offerings by Transition. I like them though and am glad they are offering a lower than carbon pricepoint for modern high performance bikes.
$4400 Stans wheels and performance fork (not performance elite), regular casing tires. So the price has went up $600 for an updated model with better spec? Sounds about right to me. Perhaps you'd like them to sell you the previous frame with the same parts for the same price?
In terms of e-bikes, Mike Levy has some great points on the last podcast.
youtu.be/3jgNwyN8yxc
"Is 220 big enough?"
"Depends if you're running 17 PSI or not."
That's genius, haha.
Also, now that the Spur exists, it’s hard to imagine where the Smuggler’s niche would be.
I’m open to being happily surprised though.
* ~120mm lightweight "Downcountry" bike - Currently the Spur - Enough bike for 80% of the riding most people do, great for all-day epics, but you probably want to rent a bike when you go to a bike park, and you might be underbiked on some serious tech trails.
* ~140mm Trail Bike - Currently basically the Sentinel. The bike for someone looking for a "quiver killer" that can basically ride anything. Light enough to handle an all-day trip in the backcountry. Enough travel that it could manage a weekend at Whistler. Balanced for those of us who can't afford 2x bikes.
* ~160mm Enduro Bike - Currently the Spire. Downhill focused, but with the acknowledgment that you're going to be pedaling up a lot of those downhills.
Certainly, there's nuance there, but IDK that there's room for a 4th model between those categories.
A 120/140mm Spur LT? Sure! Taking the Sentinel down to 140/160mm? Sure! But a whole different model that somehow splits the difference between them? IDK. I mean, sure, if it were "free" for companies to make and maintain a bunch of different unique models, but I'd imagine that for a specialty manufacturer like Transition, there's not much of a case for expanding their model lineup that way.
But I'm just making shit up. Transition could launch a 2021 Smuggler tomorrow that blows my mind. But I'd be surprised.
longer shock (DB inline air) with offset bushings to clear seat tube on full travel
150MM air spring in the pike up front
1.5 degree angle set up front
BOOM now you have a 130ish rear travel trail bike with modern geo and it pedals the same
the reach is still plenty long enough as they had their geo pretty dialed even then
Though, I'd love to not be the guinea pig, and hear from someone else who's done it.
If Sentinels continue to be unbuyable through next year's riding season, I might get desperate enough to give it a shot.
check this out there is some good info on long shocking first and second gen smugglers.
www.mtbr.com/threads/long-shocking-original-smuggler.1088425/page-3
you will probably want to run a angle set as well depending what size fork spring you go to help bring that bottom bracket back down.
In the end, I'd prefer to sell the Smuggler and get a bike that was designed for longer travel, but if the realities of the market don't allow for that, it's nice to have options.
For the Spur, they could "lunchride" it... with a 130mm Pike, and a Super Deluxe rear, 200/180 rotors, move the Dissector to the rear, and put a Minion or Assegai up front.
For the Sentinel, a 140/150mm setup would get that HA in the 64 degree range, cut some weight on the tires if you want to get under 30lbs.
If I could do both, I would. But i feel like the Pike would get me in situations the SidLuxe rear cant handle.
m.pinkbike.com/photo/21348902
other then that it is nice looking bikes, and it is good to see alu back again do not any reason to build carbon bikes (just cause how they fragile)
I've been REALLY closely to buying a Privateer. Hard to decide between the 141 and 161. And I love their pricing.
And surprisingly, looking at the 161... its actually pretty similar to the Spire. The spire gains the ability to do a dual crown and/or reach adjust headsets, and can change between 160 or 170mm rear travel.
@ocnlogan If you can get one, do it! Love my 161.
Kudos to transition for making great alloy frame options of their burlier bikes though. (and selling them as 'frame only' in addition to full build kits... AND offering really good build kits with Performance Elite suspension on their alloy models)
This was literally what was keeping me from being able to even consider a Transition bike before.
My Kona Process 153 AL 29'er in size Large was 36.4lbs before pedals, with EXO tires, and NX 11 speed. My bike is also over 37lbs with WTB tires. And while its heavy... its my only bike. I ride it everywhere, and just get used to it I guess. Doesn't really bother me enough to try to somehow drop 7lbs of weight.
Same story for most other AL frames these days. Even a more boutique frame like a Banshee Titan is going to be ~33-35lbs how most people build them up.
If so, that would probably explain some of the additional weight.
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Did you heat treat the frame after your friend welded it?
He took my bike as was and welded the necessary spot(s).
That frame ultimately cracked at the top tube(again), but not at any of his welds.
He actually added meat to the weak chainstay area, which I think would be good to do on any existing since that spot cracked the most...and once he did his bit it didn't crack there again.
I will say that steel frames like Starling Murmur and Cotic Rocketmax weigh less than the "calculated" values....
Any "good" welder should know how to deal with it...one guy told me you can't weld aluminum..not sure how he's in business! I used one guy near me, he did a great job(and I've used him on my classic car), then someone I knew popped up and charged me half as much but also did a great job(he's into BMX bikes, so that's useful too)
- 220 mm rotor doesn't fit or is just not tested?
- Rock Shox Super Deluxe fits in aluminium frame?
- raw frame is raw alluminium with decals or clear coated?
But rest assured not just Transition is guilty of this. Most carbon-focused companies treat their aluminium models as an afterthough with minimal development resources.
From what Ive heard they actually make the frames for a large number of companies so Im guessing they just have a giant (pun intended) leg up on the competition with the amount of experience they've racked up.
After riding it a while and even trying my lighter bike again I realised that the weight makes little difference while climbing and is better for descending.
I absolutely love the bike and I’ve went and made it heavier by replacing my carbon bar with a new alloy one and a DH casing tyre! No problem.
But somehow Transition managed to make a raw finish frame... that is substantially worse looking than other raw frames on the market (to me at least). Maybe its the extra graphics compared to those other frames I mentioned? Not really sure, just saying that usually the raw frames do it for me, but not in this case.
Luckily the blue colorway is a good option .
The other benefit of Transition is that you are supporting actual riders and people supporting the PNW MTB community. Giant is a mega corp.
Fwiw, Transition has sold all of their NX Alloy Sentinels and the M and L GX Alloy Sentinels a few hours after the launch. The market doesn't seem the pricing is out of wack.