Last Bikes are a manufacturer based in Dortmund, Germany, and have been in operation since the turn of the millennium. They tend to specialise in the more aggressive trail and enduro bikes. Their range contains the Tarvo, which incidentally is claimed to be the lightest production enduro frame, the Glen and the Coal.
The new bike, the Cinto, is a new all-mountain bike based around a modular platform that is shared with the Tarvo. We're seeing more brands go down this route, which can be a good thing. However, although a rejigged linkage plate can tweak the geometry to bring it in line with the needs of a shorter travel application, it often means there is something of a hangover in terms of weight.
Last Cinto Details • Wheelsize: 29" or mullet
• Carbon fiber frame
• Travel: 145 (r) / 150mm (f)
• 65° head angle
• Chainstay length: 431, 431, 437, 443mm
• Reach: 442, 464, 495, 528mm
• Made in Germany
• Claimed frame weight: 2.1 kg (4.6 lb)
• Frame only: €3999
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last-bikes.com Last aim to get around this by using what is already an incredibly light platform in the form of the Tarvo and going from there. The frame weight starts at a svelte 2.1 kg (4.6 lb) and full builds can be as light as 11 kg (24.3 lb). You may also see the CNC'd cover that allows for in-frame storage. The storage cover is machined in-house and is size specific to allow for the most efficient use of the surface area.
In-house manufacturing and a modular design allow for endless tweaking. This rocker link is available to allow the use of a mullet setup.
GeometryThe platform delivers 145mm of rear travel via a rocker link and a rear flex-pivot. It has a recommended fork travel of 150mm but the frame can accommodate up to 170mm, although Last suggests that while the bike will take it, 160mm might be more of a suitable limit. It uses a full complement of sealed Enduro Max bearings.
The Cinto uses size-specific geometry and the chainstays will change depending upon the front triangle to hopefully achieve a bike that gives the best blend of fore and aft balance irrespective of size. It also makes use of a mixed wheeled setup option and can be converted to a mullet platform with the MX rocker link. With a 29inch wheel, it offers clearance for a 2.5" tire.
All sizes are built around a 65° head angle that is complemented by an effective seat tube angle of 77° and upwards, depending on size.
A SRAM Universal Derailleur Hanger, rattle-free cable routing and removable ISCG tabs should make this popular.
Suspension
The Cinto, from sag, has 29% progression. You can often find with aggressive mid-travel bikes that you can run out of travel because they can be so capable and they enable you to write cheques that your lesser amount of travel isn't so happy about cashing. The Cinto aims to get around this by offering a decent amount of progression towards the end of the stroke. It's this characteristic that also means it should work well with coil shocks, which are inherently more linear, or larger volume air shocks.
When calculating anti-squat, a large variable can be simply where the centre of gravity is. This, of course, will change from size to size and rider to rider. Last, to negate this, change the pivot placement depending on the frame size and combine it with an estimate of where the COG will lie. From there they can tailor the anti-squat value for the frame size. With the blue markings, you can see the frame size with this optimisation compared to the grey line which represents it without. In the lower gears the value is quite high, which means that as you pedal the suspension will be trying to extend. This should ensure both grip and efficiency. Please note that the graph shows the anti-squat throughout the whole range of gears at sag, not one gear through the entire stroke.
For the anti-rise, which is a value that tells us how our mass transfers when we apply the brakes, the Cinto is relatively flat and spends most of its stroke at a value between 80-100%. Under braking, a value closer to 0% will mean that the shock wants to extend, above 100% and it will try and compress as you get on the anchors. At around 100% it will mean that the rider is quite supported by the neutral reaction of the suspension to braking forces, as it neither extends nor compresses as the rider's mass shifts forward.
A choice of two stock colours or you can even have your frame custom painted. It's also available in raw carbon.
Options & AvailabilityThe Cinto is available to order now with delivery in August. There will be only 100 frames available to buy per year and pricing, for the frame only, starts at €3999. Build kits are available with your choice of RockShox, Fox, EXT or Intend.
This frame started out so light as a big enduro bike that in this shorter travel form its still probably lighter than nearly all its competitors in this travel bracket. Its almost 4 pounds lighter than the Privateer trail bike frame.
I'm really, really impressed (impressed with that price too)
I’d like a refund...
I’m sorry sir...it’s our Last bike...
I like it but if I was paying that I’d want the option to have right side rear brake routing and a simple BB mold without the unnecessary ISCG option.
For goodness sakes, its almost as much as a Yeti!
Look at the Deviate Highlander, that's an example of clean and external cable routing.
But then again, I also like pressfit so maybe it‘s just me. Think about it: Glue in a metal part with threads, thread in another metal part where the bearing is pressed into vs press in a bearing and done. Best compromise if frame manufacturers can‘t manufacture a bearing seat: thread-together pressfit.
www.pinkbike.com/news/last-bikes-launch-the-2021-glen-and-coal.html
Jumps, longs days on the saddle, shuttle days... So playful and efficient.
Frame bearings still have no play at all.
It's taken all kinds of abuse, been to bike parks and raced enduro on it, still straight as an arrow.
Hell, the Coal frame is lighter than most carbon frames on the market, and it's proven to me beyond any doubt that it's extremely durable.
My next full suspension bike will probably be another Last, I am extremely happy with mine.
And the cost per unit must be way higher for 100 frames/ year.
Hightower CC incl. shock: EUR 3,3k
Ibis Ripmo incl. shock: EUR 3,5k
Nevertheless: both new Last carbon frames for sure are highest quality, best weight and made in Germany.
There, fixed it for you.
A Yeti frame runs also ~3800-4000€ (yeah with a shock) but for me the price is justified.
Labor / developement must be expensive on such a small scale- and I would be happy to support smaller brands who put the big brands to same weight/ psrformance wise.
Bikes for me just seem harder to justify as the fun had on a lesser bike that's ONLY 4000$ is not that far off a 10000 bike. The entry price for the sport is not severe, but the price for top end gear really high.
Real armchair engineer
videos.mtb-news.de/52987/ihr_fragt_wir_antworten_last_tarvo
You get a system with 2 parallel springs (they both have to compress at the same time) and a damper. You could combine the springs easily in one theoretical spring by 1/c* =1/c_frame + 1/c_shock. The only problem is that the springrate of frame has a different leverage curve than the shock link so the math is a bit messy but every good cad/fem program out there can work that out.
So it shouldn't change much as long the frame is flexible enough to enable the movement, the flex of the fork has an bigger impact
What if we used swappable carbon frame elements like leaf springs in a suspension design that uses flex to function, and then just ran a coil shock damper without a spring?
Get the no friction, linear rate of a coil or in this case carbon leaf springs, but with none of the added weight
With bikes the problem is the limited space available. Also you could damage the whole frame instead of just deform the spring by a small amount
Last is also using a more traditional style of layup and construction, so while GG is trying to keep things affordable thru robotic layup and thermoplastic style manufacturing, Last is aiming for that "hand built premium" pricing angle.
If GG didn't exist, I'd be saving my pennies for one of these.
Look at price
Nope
Sometimes (okay, all the time) when I am pedalling my 35+ pound bikes up the trail I want something newer and lighter, but if I am going to spend that much on a Carbon frame I would rather thenm not make it as light as possible. Save the featherweight bikes for the racers, it would be nice to have the option to be able to buy a lighter version for "Race Days Only" but I don't want the lightest possible thing...
And bold... I dont like internal routing so a shock inside a frame.... Pls no. (and you have to servics the shock more frequently because the oil inside will get hotter)
We may never no
What if i told you that you could have more traction, control, stability and less fatigue
What's the warranty on these? For that amount of cash I'd expect lifetime no questions asked one, but it's probably some 2-3y with crash replacement programme.
I would expect some cheaper prices considering it's all made in one place and no covid tax like asian made bikes are being taxed now. Not to mention EU stimulus and tax exemption for bikes made here.
I'd gladly buy aluminum 1-2k EU frame (with shock!), and can't see how carbon frames can be cost effective and competitive if you pay your workers German wages.
There should be amazing after sales and warranty service for these bikes to be of interest to anyone.
Economics 101:
You can’t force higher wages, excessively tax companies/individuals for being profitable, and compete in a global market where most industrial nations don’t play by the same rules.
(Got someone a freebie, worth a shot!)