First Look: Hope's New F22 Flat Pedal
Never one to create a new product without a good reason to do so, Hope Technologies waited over a decade to update their tried and true F20 flat pedal. With the redesign comes a slightly updated name as well: the F22. The changes made are subtle but meaningful, with improved performance and durability in mind.
The platform of the F22 has a noticeably different shape than the F20, with less material and a more side-specific shape. With a dual-concave pedal body and a tapered shape, the new design is intended to maximize contact with the shoe, while minimizing any chances of clipping obstacles on trail.
The platform of the F22 has a noticeably different shape than the F20, with less material and a more side-specific shape. With a dual-concave pedal body and a tapered shape, the new design is intended to maximize contact with the shoe, while minimizing any chances of clipping obstacles on trail.
Hope F22 Details
• Redesigned platform
• Concave, asymmetric, tapered shape
• 11 pins per side, adjustable length
• Same internals as F20, with CrMo axle
• Fully rebuildable
• 2 year warranty
• 6 color options
• Weight: 360g / pair (claimed)
• Made in Barnoldswick, UK
• MSRP: £145.00 | €180.00 | $183.00
• hopetech.com/
• Redesigned platform
• Concave, asymmetric, tapered shape
• 11 pins per side, adjustable length
• Same internals as F20, with CrMo axle
• Fully rebuildable
• 2 year warranty
• 6 color options
• Weight: 360g / pair (claimed)
• Made in Barnoldswick, UK
• MSRP: £145.00 | €180.00 | $183.00
• hopetech.com/
There are 11 pins on each side of the pedal, with two distinct sizes and height adjustability to further tune the ride - using the taller pins on the outer edges and shorter ones in the center is meant to enhance the concave feel. On the internal side of things, Hope has stuck with the same layout as the F20, using three sealed cartridge bearing and an IGUS bushing to keep things running smoothly. The axle has been updated slightly, and is now made with a heat treated and plated high-strength Cr-Mo steel. The internals are sealed in the same manner as all other Hope pedals, and are intended to hold up to even the worst UK slop.
Fully rebuildable, and built to last.
The pins are reverse-loaded, meaning it should be a bit easier to extract one after you smoke it on a rock. The F22s also come with a pin reducer kit, which are essentially spacers that take up some of the 6mm stack height if that's too tall for your taste. The hexagonal shape of the longer pins is meant to increase their bite into the soles of shoes, resulting in more grip.
Flat and spiky.
More corners = more grip?
The pedal is 17mm thick at the outer edge, and 14mm in the center. As for the platform itself, that measures 105 x 111mm, with a usable surface area of 105 x 102mm.
Plenty of colors to suit your style.
Retailing for $183 USD, the updated F22 pedal from Hope Technologies is available today.
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No offense to them, they're not that great of a pedal. Somewhat small platform, small pins, very flat design with very minimal shaping to them, fairly heavy. It was a decent pedal at the time, but nowadays an $80 composite flat like the Wahwah2 does literally everything better. I'd compare OG wahwahs to a lot of fairly basic BMX flat pedals, honestly.
I'll keep mine forever as they're super cool bits of history, but not a product I'd look back at with rose tints
Going back and forth now to my current DMR Vaults and previous Nukeproof Horizon's the Wah Wah 1's feel similar in thinness and concave under foot, but the Wah Wah 1 pins play better with my 5 10's, easier to reposition while also not slipping.
Was disappointed when the Wah Wah 2's came out with a tall center tapering out to a thin edge. Didn't really care for it or any of the tall-axle convex-shaped pedals.
Actually these F22's are close to those ancient Wah Wah 1's- 17mm to 14mm taper is identical, weight is 20g different, platform size is 7mm bigger. Hmm, maybe time to order up a set. Even come in sexy silver.
Some people prefer the fatter center axle tapering down to thin edge convex pedals like WW2's etc, some prefer the concave instead, personal choice.
Wah Wah 1 isn't all that old, so the design is pretty bang up to date.
Wah Wah 1 was 17 tapered below 14 then the tiniest of axle bumps back up to 14.
And kona clearly thought it needed fixing and brought out the wah wah 2. The originals were only just acceptable in all categories except durability, which they were a* for. Axle bulge, platform on the smaller side, small pins, it's all not very desirable.
If they don't improve it and make it a stealth color they can call the next one f35.
That pedal body is flat as a pancake... Describing it as concave doesn't magically make it grippy, it has to actually be concave...
We truly live in a world of make believe these days. Things no longer have to be true for them to be accepted as true. It just needs to be said by someone cool.
I do think that your shoe should reach the body though, pins long enough to leave your shoe hanging in the air over the body would be terrible.
Case in point - check out images of a well worn vault, clear wear where the foot has rubbed anodising off the centre of the body despite it being much more concave than this Hope pedal - www.perpetualdisappointment.co.uk/2016-dmr-vault-flat-pedals-long-term-review
This is more important for folks who ride with the ball of the foot in the center.
In my case, using plastic One Ups (with longer pins to match the alloy version and the central one removed) and Shimano gr5 shoes AND the arch of the foot over the axle the sole never touches the pedal's body. Also, now they're about as grippy as it gets
Learn about photography and the physics of photography and then comment on the matter again.
Learn more about perspective distortion here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion_
By the look of the bokeh of the crank arm, the shot is likely shot at the lens' closest focal distance (0,28m source: www.kenrockwell.com/canon/lenses/16-35mm-f28-iii.htm) adding to the perspective distortion seen in the photo: www.pinkbike.com/photo/24008312
17mm sides and 14mm center is indeed concave.
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On your comment: "We truly live in a world of make believe these days. Things no longer have to be true for them to be accepted as true. It just needs to be said by someone cool."
You don't know the truth if you don't know the facts that lays behind what your eyes see from your limited perception/perspective and are willing to dig deeper into the facts to educate yourself.
I'm not saying you are definitely wrong, but currently I suspect you are wrong.
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www.hargrovescycles.co.uk/images/Hope_f22_pair_black.jpg
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The fact there is no concave shape to the body itself and the shape is created by the pins alone seems intriguing. I would quite like to see the plan-view side by side to see if the platform is any wider or if it sits further from the crank.
If any company has earned a second chance to make a good flat pedal then it is Hope. But being £50 more than the current gold standard of flat medals that is the aluminium Burgtec Penthouse seems a bit steep. Just my 2 cents, many people will likely have different experiences than mine
The F22s do look better, but not enough to make me ditch the T-Macs I have now.
Massive fan of Hope products but this looks a little Far East for them and is quite a small but thick pedal.
Will no doubt last for ages and comes with great Hope warranty though - probably a product aimed firmly at the trail bike end?
Coming back to flats after years of clippin pedals, I've been amazed by their prices in general... and I'm just using a pair of 22€ composite pedals that I bought at Bike Components... and they are great actually; grippy and solid so far...
I guarantee the cost for materials and bearings alone before machining, finishing, assembly, anodising etc is £25-£30.00, possibly more.
Now add in machine time, assembly etc and the margin for the shop / reseller, I bet Hope don’t make much more than £30 a set.
Hope products also come with fantastic support, spares supply and last for the parts last for absolutely years - people get 8+ yrs from the last Hope pedal, so not bad value if you blow up the cheap composites every year or two?
The cost of running the machining though, with today's energy prices, they are probably making a loss lol
Honestly though, high pricing is hugely down to marketing. It doesn't cost SC any more to make a carbon frame, but they price themselves at the top deliberately. They want to be seen to be boutique. It's the same with Hope.
I made the decision long ago to stop paying the high costs of companies' marketing campaigns, and I don’t care what the rest of the world thinks about, for example, my Decathlon flat pedal shoes, cheaper and way more durable than my crappy FT freeriders by the way.
So give me those cheap composite pedals made in China any day.
Last time I got a quote for a similar size of aluminium to a pedal body it was around £6-£7 (2014 t6) bearings say £2.00, bush £0.2, seals £0.3, axle £1.00, caps and pins £1.00
So maybe £25 is a little high, but not by much - all Uk prices as I am in the UK.
Making something in the UK does cost more than overseas - how do you work out this isn’t true, are you in manufacturing, have any examples?
Hope are pretty much the opposite of a marketing company too, they are manufacturers, not box sellers and marketers, you have the wrong company there.
I hope you keep your innocence.
You do realise PB's whole purpose is content generation, don't you? You pay for PB to post an advertisement, not an article.
We were quoted for a total of 6000pcs taking a call off of 1000pcs per month for 6 months, this quote was around 5 months ago.
Qty breaks are real but from experience ordering 100pcs vs 10,000pcs of the same size they are not as large as you think, unless you want to fill a shipping container full of course.
Its mad how its often the little englander that gets real angry over UK made stuff they consider overpriced when its them that wants to shut the UK off to the rest of the planet.
Communistpro needs a good spanking.
Although many people might mistakenly think you are a real a*shole, not me, as I said before, keep all that innocence intact. Such a nice thing to see these days!!!
some food for thought: 2014 coup in Ukraine, massive bombing of the Dombass region for years (thousands of deaths), illegal installation of biological weapons factories near the border (some would call them weapons of mass destruction), third party interests to trigger a war and, for example, push up the price of energy and raw materials such as aluminum, and incidentally weaken Europe........... and so on
I am a real a*shole but I have some idea what I am taking about rather than pedalling some weird conspiracy about paid PB press releases.
Yes, the main reason PB publish a press release is for content, this is because idiots like us will read and comment on the article giving them viewers and interaction, they take these viewing figures and sell adverts to brands telling them that all of us idiots will click on them, you know those things on the side and top of the page?
Feel free to pedal your pro Putin fetishes all you like, my ‘world view’ doesn’t change my aluminium bill, does it?
If I start to ‘take the red pill’ or whatever bullshit you guys say will that give me an aluminium price discount?
Go worship your Andrew Tate mannequin.
Venga a seguir mamándola subnormal.
The Horizon is on sale for £50.00 too, its RRP is £100 so not a fair comparison, CRC etc are selling them at pretty much cost price, I imagine they have quite a lot of covid stock to shift.
If you have specific verifiable info about CRC's costs feel free to post, otherwise refrain from making unsubstantiated claims. Claims about previous work experience etc. are also not accepted as evidence. Hitchens' razor
But I agree with redrook, unless you can prove these claims (I'm not going to prove mine) you might as well piss into the wind.
The profit margins you are quoting are amazing and are a distant world away from that which a bike manufacturer gets - I cant 'prove' my claims of course, but I am happy to send you a quotation for a similar size of material to that which Hope would make their pedal from if that would please you?
@redrook - Of course its £50.00 cheaper, its make by Scada or HT in Taiwan, they are forged not machined from billet, they use an open source axle, seal and bush rather than in-house designed and manufactured.
Would you like me to send you a quotation from HT components from around 10 years ago? - I think I remember they would sell their basic pedal for around £18.00 cost then - that doesn't include delivery, duty or VAT - so lets say around £26.00 landed in 2013
Take from that what you will - they will be making about £10.00 a pedal at £50.00 retail if they are lucky.
No proof though of course....
So going by your pricing the online shops sell them for a £5.00 profit or possibly even a loss if your cost price doesnt inc VAT etc?
Good margins do exist in the industry of course but the manufacturer (Hope) isn't a small shop selling a handful of cassettes to people who lack the motivation to save £50.00 by ordering online at a price that is less than you as a shop pay for the item before taking it to you to pay the fitting charge.
- '$180?'
'No, that's not enough with the current exchange rate'
- '$185?'
'No, now you're being silly! Don't overdo it'
- '$182,50?'
'They like round numbers, so round it'
- '$183?'
'Perfect'
- Great! And euro pricing?'
'Whatever, make it around 180'
I own 2 Pairs of the F20. One Pair is in use since 2013 - Still in good shape and without bearing play.
On the F22 I miss at least 2 features I love on F20, the waved platform and the shape and length of the pins. Also Pins in the middle of the pedal are also gone.
At least there is a promising alternative from Wolftooth since last year. If I ever going ti have to replace the F20 (I highly doubt that) I’ll give wolftooth a try because they look very similar to the F20
This new F22 just does NOT look like a Hope as others have said. I hate it. Where did the "ribs" go? It's as if the F22 came first and the F20 is the more stylish update we'd Hoped for.
Thankfully I just after building my new park/freeride bike I wanted a bigger platform and really wanted to have readily available parts. So just got the Wolftooth Waveform (large) and so far am super stoked. Rebuilt parts available (they are right to repair fans), no need for special narrow deep socket tool to open the end, and the Waveform pedal is 14mm outer and 12.5 mm inner thickness.
A benefit I didn't know was there is that first pin on the Waveform is like 12 or 13mm from the crank. The F20 is like 25mm out to first pin yet both the F20 and the large Waveform are roughly the same to the outer pins. It's like having a wider pedal to stand on without the pedal actually getting wider from the bike. In fairness Hope as done that inward move to these F22 pins but it's too late for me.
Now that's a pedal I'd buy and use forever.
Too bad these got hit by a shrink ray. I "hope" they make some bigger ones (but not thicker)
my spend on pedals at £50, One Up composite, switch out pins for stainless nyloks and bolts,
rust and blood thing : )
In the product launch video, he's saying its a 5axis.
the video shows them being manufactured on a 4 axis horizontal for the first op and then what looks like a 3 axis brother speedio for the second op.
I cant see why its a 5 axis part.
Okey thx a lot!
Only ~2/3rds of the pins are reverse loaded...
What does that even mean?
Which are significantly cheaper.