PINKBIKE FIELD TEST
SPECIALIZED S-WORKS STUMPJUMPER 29
Jack of all trades, master of none?
Words by Mike Levy, photography by Trevor LydenIf you got into the way-back machine and traveled to a forward-thinking bike shop in California in the early 1980s, you might find yourself looking at the first Stumpjumper. That steel hardtail was the first mass-produced mountain bike thirty-eight years ago, and while it looks like the carbon fiber green machine pictured here has nothing to do with that old rigid rig, it's actually a distant relative.
The new Stumpjumper platform might be just as important as that first Stumpy, too, simply because Specialized is using it in various forms for thirty-one different models. In that light, the new bike can’t just be good - it needs to kick ass.
S-Works Stumpjumper 29 DetailsIntended use: trail / all-mountain / enduro
Travel: 140mm
Wheel size: 29''
Frame construction: carbon fiber
Head angle: 66.5-degrees
Chainstay length: 437mm
Sizes: sm, med, lrg (tested), xl
Weight: 28.2 lb / 12.8 kg
Price: $9,520 USD
More info:
www.specialized.com With 29” wheels, 140mm travel out back, and 150mm travel in the front, our high-end $9,520 USD Stumpjumper test bike is going to be different things to different riders. It could be a trail bike if you frequent hairy terrain, and it certainly could be considered an all-mountain or enduro bike to some, especially with that Fox 36 fork up front.
There are a bunch of clever details on the new Stumpy, but my favorite has to be how Specialized has done the internally routed lines: You feed the housing in at the head tube and it pops out at the back of the chainstays without you having to scream at it or throw any tools. Neato. There’s also threaded bottom bracket, room for a 3’’ wide rear tire if you wanted to mess the bike up, and let’s not forget the SWAT box for carrying spares, tools, donuts, etc. Oh, and no more Autosag shock - we’re glad to see they’ve gone to a standard, easy to service or replace damper.
When it comes to the geometry, it's fair to call it conservative rather than old school. There's a 66.5° headtube angle up front, a 74.1° seat-tube angle, and a 445mm reach on the large-sized bike. It starts with the small at 405mm reach and goes up to the XL with 470mm of room. The stack is tall, too, with a 641mm number on our test rig that’s 30mm more than some other larges.
No surprises on suspension: It's the familiar Horst Link layout. Specialized has a rep for providing suppleness and traction rather than the crispest pedaling rear-ends, but they've upped the anti-squat number on the new bikes to improve this.
There are a load of different Stumpjumper models to choose from other than $9,520 USD S-Works model, including Stumpys with 27.5’’ wheels, less travel, and others with different geometry. There are alloy versions of the bike from $3,000 USD, and carbon versions from $4,200 USD. Options galore.
ClimbingThe Stumpy's pedaling manners have been improved compared to previous versions of the bike, with more anti-squat that adds some crispness to the suspension when you're on the gas. So yes, the bike has an acceptable amount of get-up-and-go to it, but it's still not in the same efficiency class as something like Ibis' Ripmo, one of the leaders on that front. Both Kazimer and myself think that we'd be reaching down for the shock's pedal-assist switch a bit too often, but we're also aware that most riders (including Kazimer) don't mind flipping the Lever of Lies when faced with a solid climb.
I also found the bike's slow-speed climbing handling to be a touch tippier than the other bikes for PB's Field Test, especially through those switchbacks and momentum-killing roots that call for near-trackstand speeds. That said, in a very Specialized-like fashion, this thing delivers loads of predictable driving traction, so while I didn't gel with it in the mega-tech, I can't blame any dabs on the rear tire spinning out.
While the Stumpy obviously isn't my favorite climber in recent memory, it actually might be ideal for a lot of riders because it is so forgiving. It's not sporty-feeling, but there's loads of grip from the rear-end, you can just sit and pedal through all the rough, technical climbs, and the switch on the Fox shock means you can easily firm it up enough to crush some fire road climbs, too.
Descending You know that active suspension that I moaned about when climbing? Yeah, it's f*cking awesome on a rough and rowdy descent, and especially when it's greasier than a bunch of slopestyle pros during Whistler Crankworx. It's all a give-and-take balance, after all, and the green Stumpy gives off the impression that it's got more than 140mm of squish out back, a rare trick these days. It's also a trait that's often associated with a bike that wallows into its travel needlessly, but that's not the case here. Not only has Specialized made this thing feel supple on top, it also feels deeper than bikes with a bit more travel, especially the 150mm-travel Kona Process that I also spent some time on. Good trick, Specialized.
The Stumpy's deep-feeling and active suspension will make the bike a great generalist for many riders who want something that works well everywhere instead of something that's the best in one setting and so-so in a bunch of others.
It's the same story in the handling department, too, with steering and poise that's more all-mountain than enduro. You'll be able to point the Stumpy down the steepest of lines and anything else that your courage lets you try, and there's no doubt that the tall stack makes this a bike that delivers confidence.
Unlike the Kona, it's happy to do your best rock-trundling impression through the roughest chunder;
unlike the Bronson, it's also just as content to jib its way down a fun trail.
When it comes to the build, the S-Works tag means that there's not much left to upgrade. One thing that I would change, though, is the stock Specialized dropper post that felt rough from the get-go. It's basically a mechanical post that, with a zillion indexed height settings, is trying to be like an infinitely adjustable hydro dropper. It eventually stopped returning to full height, too.
This bike might be the best all-around version of the Stumpjumper that Specialized has ever put together.
Hell, I could build 3 good bikes for 3 different disciplines and have enough money left over to go on a trip to ride them.
XC Bike
Trail Bike
Downhill Bike
ready go!
Use your imagination and the www..........go!
Well, im not your monkey, so you'll figure it out for yourself.. We've done it and havent bought a complete bike from an LBS or online since 2012. Sorry.
From the looks of your classifieds it seems my comments may have hit a little close to home. Best luck
done with over a grand to spare for the extra china frame you will need for getting caught smuggling patent infringed goods across the canadian border.
What do you think the first con of the Remedy will be? You get 3 guesses....
1) Thank you for acknowledging that a bike doesn't pedal particularly well even though you were more kind than I would have been. They pedal like a wet mattress imo.
2) Sticking with your 'keep test bikes Reach the same, frame sizes be damned", shouldn't you have tested an XL? WTF. Go back and test the Large Kona!
3) The Fox 36 flexes more than the RS Lyric on the same drop, if all else was equal. Also the rear tire bounced off the ground on this drop. Not enough rebound damping?
4) When I watch your bike review videos, there is a bit of delay between the words and the lips moving on the screen, which gives it all a cool dubbed kung fu movie sort of feel. This doesn't mean anything in regards to the review, but I like it enough to mention it.
5) That geometry...just yuck. If you are going to have an old school trail bike it should come with 680mm bars and pedal really well. Specialized should just move forward with the Evo.
Just brutal, man.
Yeah for me the big upset for this bike was the geo, otherwise I'd consider it. I did a quick demo of the XL (I'm 6'1") and it was kind of disappointing compared to bikes like the Ripmo, Sentinel, and sb130. And the XL is similar in reach to the L version of those 3 bikes which is kind of ridiculous. Also, you can Sentinalize the Ripmo with an angle adjust headset, which you can't do with the Stumpy. This bike felt tall, awkward, and twitchy compared to the fabulous 3. I respect all the design changes to the Stumpy and have no issues with the rear suspension, it's just the steep geo and the fact that at 6'1" I'd have to run a long stem on an XL to get comfortable over the bike.
And then there's the Stumpy EVO, which PB reviewed and looks insanely badass, with the exception of a curiously low bottom bracket, even in the high setting. Cool bike. I look forward to the plastic version..... hey Spesh, maybe creep up that bb a few more millimeters?
When even Yeti figures reach out, you know it's a good idea to go there (yeti took FOREVER)
Had the Sworks stump 2019 for 2 months June-july (bought frame and built it up)
Sold it after 15 rides
Couldnt dial it right
They change the leverage ratio and the linkage and its worst compare to 2018
Just brutal
The BB hight on the Evo is perfect.
That's disappointing.
I think with a little work I could come close to dialing in the new stumpy. Starting with a reduced offset dual position Lyrik (160-130). Add an offset bushing and that gets the HTA down to about 65.5 in the 160 position. The travel adjust would keep the front end in check whilst climbing.
That new leverage ratio is supposed to be firmer and mesh better with coil shocks too, so too bad you didn't like it. To me it still felt pretty mushy in open but I'm accustomed to using compression adjustments on rear shocks so no big deal. I think it is weird that spesh supposedly firmed up the rear end but then stocked shocks with lighter tunes, seems counter intuitive. Anyway, lotsa good options out there these days.
Jay-Cee! How much time do you have on the EVO? According to my napkin calculations, in the high setting the bb is about 13.15 inches american. Compared to the 13.3 that I'm used to which already results in plenty of rock strikes but I've learned to live with it. The EVO has 5mm shorter cranks than what I'm riding. Maybe with a 160 air shaft the EVO bb becomes no big deal in the high setting? As long as the rider is cool with rocking a 63.6 HTA with that setup, which someone who's buying that bike probably is.
I haven't ridden this bike but I'll take the trade-off of having super active suspension over the firmer pedaling designs.
There! Rant over! Drops the bomb and leaves...
Wacky - we all know you're the wokest of us all. After spending a little time on some of the Stumpy's competitors I can see that they're falling behind on the geo a little (exception EVO). that's it. it could be a little longer and slacker even in this "everyman trailbike" version that's meant for the masses. And fast riders are fast riders.
Agree that we're dorks.
Also, heading to ebay to check Poles & Geometrons right after I add the Machine to my Pinterest.
#wokerthanyou
Mine, or anyone else's relative speed is not a factor, when you stand up on a bike this short you feel like you are holding on to your knee caps. Doesn't matter so much for lots of seated riding but it matters a lot for aggressive standing and steep chutes. Sure I might get my ass handed to me by kids on much lesser bikes (I'm sure it's happened but honestly don't remember when), also irrelevant.. I'll never be a kid that grew up BMXing and rode my entire life, but instead will always be the guy that never had a bicycle until the age of 43. That doesn't mean I can't ride my best on a bike with good geometry.
As someone who raced a lot of MX, I think I have a better feel for proper geo and suspension than the average bicyclist that tends to accept shit, quite frankly.
~ take care
I agree, I have a Stumpy as well. I think they should emphasize this point even more though, they didn't put this issue in the Cons section and it looks like a lot of these guys are missing the hint and the bike is still getting a lot of praise. This is a trail bike and it should pedal well, to today's standards, and it doesn't. It's just too bobby when pedaling through rough sections and I end up having to lock up the shock. I've tried to adjust the shock but I just can't seem to find a good tune/middle ground. It's definitely the FSR system which I think needs a complete redesign.
As far as the geometry, I think there are people who will love it. This bike is shorter than most of today but I think it fills a niche for people who want shorter bikes.
I know the guy who KOM the dh World Cup track in Ste-anne on his unicycle Koxx.
Says the shorter the better unlike my girlfriend.
You are awasteke
Now... how possible is it that I made up this story? Quite many details isn't it? Anyhoo found it relevant to your post.
A waste
sorry my mistake
It about time this was called out. I wouldn't buy this bike for a lot of reasons and this is one of them.
I am right handed and it makes a lot of sense having the front brake controlled by my dominant hand. What reasons are there for left/front other than archaic auto hand signals?
Left handed, left front.
Can't really think of another reason unless you really like the geometry. The tall stack and short reach is not for me, but there are 20 other great bikes with more "normal" geometry. I think it's better to have 20 similar bikes and 1 different, than 21 similar bikes. I'm sure someone out there prefers the Stumpy geometry.
I agree with your first sentence. But to me the tall stack height made me feel on top of the bike, as opposed to in the bike, opposite of your experience.
Not sure if I'd call it playful, but definitely agile. Rear end is more plow-friendly than play-friendly to me.
Finally, we'd need a bike check on G&K as their bikes aren't stock. They're likely long-shocking the rear a little and for sure the front. Graves is small enough that he has good fit options too as the reach is super conservative on these.
Not a hater, I ride a '17 Stumpy and after $2k in upgrades (Topaz, dual position Lyrik, carbon wheelset) it kind of rips. But after demoing the latest and greatest this year, it seems to me that the big S is falling behind. (caveat, EVO!) And to make things worse (or better), the new Jeffsy 29 is close to dropping. I doubt that YT will make the same mistake as the big S on their new geo.... i think the new Jeffsy is gonna steal some Stumpy sales.
I hear ya. There’s also no substitute for a quality setup. Mine does really well on flow/jump trails too. Especially faster ones with moderate jumps... and no problem late season when they’re beat to sh#t. I also run a Topaz stacked with volume reducers (2 neg, 3 pos) and the spring rate chamber at max (200 psi) with enough psi in the main chamber to get my sag at just under 30%. Still pretty supple but miles more support and bottom out resistance than other options I’ve tried.
And I’m doing what @yzedf said too, stem slammed and flipped neg 6 with a low rise 800 bar. Even if I set up a demo rig with my preferred cockpit setup it’d still be a little too short and steep. On mine the dual position fork helps the climbs a bit tho u gotta watch for pedal strikes.
But I have always found that tokens in negative side on Topaz make the shock really hard on begining of the stroke. The best setup I found so far is 4 spacers positive and 250ish psi in main chamber. That gets me close to 30% sag and it has some bottom out resistance, tho bottom outs still happen.
Nice. That's a lot of bottom out support. I'm doing fine with 3 and also the occasional bottom on drops and jumps with marginal landings (or cased landing). To me the shock felt a little mushy without some spacers in the negative chamber. It sounds like your setup would erase trail chatter really well. Ride on.
For sure, I get those points and the switch can certainly make sense... But just imagine how good rear suspension could be if no one had ever invented the pedal-assist feature!? Especially on a bike like this Stumpy that's essentially designed to do a lot of things pretty dang well. It's less of an issue if you do all your climbing and then all your descending, but when I'm on rolling terrain, I just want all my bikes to be 100% open 100% of the time and still pedal really well.
Understood. That's where bikes like the Ripmo and SB130 beat the Stumpy.
Even with a high pivot/idler or Switch Infinity.
They would likely never release the data, but I think with this bike there is a really interesting market research opportunity. If the long, low, slack geo that everyone "needs" is really the way forward, and the short geo is too conservative, then Specialized should sell way more evo models than regular. I would love to see the relative percentages of how many "regular" vs. evo models they sell.
Of course, the counter argument will be that people are dumb, or are joeys and will buy whatever the salesman sells them. I'm not sure how to get around that, but I still would find the numbers interesting.
Curious if you say they can't make enough EVOs because of knowledge of actual sales numbers or just that the local shop has a hard time getting them?
www.pinkbike.com/news/x-fusions-199-manic-dropper-post-review-2017.html
a "forgiving" climber?? this is downcountry level.
do you guys have staff meetings on creatively coming up with ways to provide constructive criticism without drawing the ire of the big red S?
this is artfully done LOL
I'm also pretty clear that it's far from being the most efficient bike, and that it's not efficient enough for me.
Antisquat increases climbing grip at low shaft speeds. Thus, bikes with high AS will typically be more forgiving with poor line choices at lower wheel speeds (and this typically lower shock shaft speeds)
Is it just bias because its bigS, or can they really of missed the mark that bad? I've had several enduros and thought they climbed fine. Sure not the most efficient, but totally fine. Plus they were so smooth and plush on the downs it always made perfect sense why they didn't climb as well as other bikes.
And yup, they climb just fine. Not great, but fine, and the reason for that is because Specialized wants them to be active for that "so smooth and plush on the downs" feeling
I can't believe that BigS didn't buy one or several Transition Patrols a few years back, (or insert whatever other highly reviewed Horst link bike of late), and dissect them to the Nth degree. With today's computer/software, 3D scanning, data acquisition, and custom damper tunes for a company the size of Specialized they should be able to pick and choose any bike feel they want. (within reason, but they should be able to at least match any other Horst link out there) So to me it seems odd that with all their resources and experience they would still get this kind of suspension review on a pretty top tier trailbike???
At any rate, I haven't been on a 19. Honestly I don't think this is the geo I want, but reading this review makes me want to see if I can get a demo this weekend. Thanks for the reply and thanks very much for the field tests!!!
Not that my review will be much input in the greater scheme of things. but it will be interesting to see how the bike rides.
Also, I re-watched the vid and I'm not gonna let go of the "bias" thing. It's hard to believe the bike gets a fair shake when the introduction was basically; "let see if another one of these Specialized bikes still climb like shit".
I'm no expert, but my understanding is that slackening out the headtube rotates the front end down and away from the rear axle and steepens the seat tube angle/lowers the BB. If you got out a level and a ruler it seems as though that increases reach and lowers stack? There was a Banshee Spitfire thread back before the last frame update and they were slacking out head tubes along with some even reducing fork travel to increase reach.
If a person just puts on a longer fork they are rotating the front end up and back reducing reach and increasing stack, slacking seat and raising BB. So if you combine that with a slacker angleset you can add a longer fork without changing geo. (which I have done before, though in my case I needed to run an external lower cup that raised things back up so reach was about the same)
What I was thinking with the Stumpy is a 2 degree slacker headset and then just 10mm longer fork. So the longer fork should negate some of the reach change, but even a little longer would help out. (and my experience on the test ride was that just the small changes I had made were significant in how the bike felt, so even some small reach increase would be beneficial)
Anyway, this was all just armchair thought experiment. No idea what headset the stumpy is running to know what kind of angleset options there would be...
Anyway it's a nonstarter as Specialized use IS headsets so an angleset won't fit.
I reckon the next standard Stumpy will have similar geo to the Evo. There's also a carbon Evo coming.
Offset bushings then!!! JKN
* Coming off a Tallboy LT (2017) and demoing against the Hightower LT it pedals MUCH better than both of those rigs. The TB to be expected, but in back-to-backs on the same route I finished my climbs not only faster but a full 20-25% fresher on the Spesh over the HT. Adding: I don't like climbing, so using less energy and being super-comfortable in the saddle was important to me. Also to note: I suck at steep technical climbing, so while I'll add that all of these bikes have tall front ends, none felt particularly better than the other when trying to climb steep, rooted or tight-switchback singletrack. They all sucked, under *my* particular level of skill and enthusiasm.
* The Spesh feels far more nimble than the HT - though there's something to be said for the SC as it plows through *everything* on the way down. I just like the bike more active and willing to pop and smear and jib off features. Maybe I'm an "old-school" geo guy, but this bike is waaaay slacker than my '17 TBLT - and feels it - yet it hasn't lost the ability to turn and be fun (like the heavier-built HT or the Ripmo) - and I like the nimble feeling, Makes riding more fun on singletrack up in these SC mountains. Also to note FWIW - I sit a *tiny* bit more upright on the Spesh than the others (probably that reach thing) - which makes pedaling more comfortable - but I'm still *in * the XL at nearly 6'2", not on top of it.
* Yep - tested the Ripmo. I wouldn't put it in the same class. Ripmo felt more AM/Gravity to me. I didn't love or hate how it climbed, but it definitely feels longer and slacker under me. Maybe just an Ibis thing - they're down the street and I have plenty of buddies who would ride nothing else - but they never really grew on me. For reference: I'm a clyde, at 6'2" 210#. Also an 'upper-intermediate' rider. My Ibis-fan buddies tend to be in the 5'8"/150# range, are RIPPING riders - and are REALLY concerned with all measurements in grams. Not sure if that has anything to do with the brand, but hey - as with surfing some shapers are great at building for small people and others for big people...
* The stock dropper is bullshit. It hasn't sacked me yet, but I'm careful and tend to 'ride it up'. Had to replace one under warranty about a week into owning the bike. Spesh needs to work on this. The hubs get called out but so far there's no slack and they seem to roll just fine. I might gripe about them later if they DO indeed fall apart prematurely. Code brakes are fine, but Code Rs (standard spec on the HT) would have been nicer - at my weight. The bike is QUIET. No obnoxious freewheel, very little chain slap, cables are dead silent. I like this - makes my morning rides nice. The GRID tires grip and grip and grip - but are heavy. You feel it when spinning up. I'll look for a lighter-weight solution when these are done (but already know I'll miss the grip lol).
* Fit me really well right out of the box (I'm pretty proportionally-shaped, if XL). Didn't need to swap parts to get there (after changing sooo much on my TBLT this was nice). Suspension is as the reviews have billed - supple up top but a really supportive mid and the rear feels deeeep. The back end is nice and planted until you choose to lift it. Yes, changing between lockout/pro-pedal/open are options, but I run in pro-pedal almost all the time, only opening things up when looking down into a truly rowdy abyss). I tend to run my fork closed down a bit more than others (to reduce dive / save arms as I have considerable body mass) and unlike my former Fox 34, which had three positions (open, trail, lock) - which was IMO easier to dial-in with pressures - the infinitely-adjustable damping on the Pike has taken some getting used to. Frame and front-end stiffness is light years ahead of 2016 designs.
* I mostly think that if you're a very skilled rider who knows exactly what their ideal geos and preferences are you're probably better off building a bike for $9k, not buying a manufacturer-built anything. That said - am thrilled with this bike all-around. It's comfortable and efficient under me on the ups, super fun to play around on and the first bike I'd consider taking to a real park (instead of demoing a DH). And faced with buying the model one under the Expert (which has non-upgrade-able NX not GX drivetrain, alu wheels not carbon, yada yada) and building it up versus just buying this one (janky dropper and suspect hubs included), the value/financials made better sense for the Expert.
Yup, it was in low.
Its more the high stack height...
I test rode both types of the 2019 29er model and the ST smoked the LT for climbing. On the LT you do need to observe that the crank length spec for even the size Large is a paltry 170mm long. On the ST heading down steeps, I felt the setup would have benefited from a 140mm fork, but otherwise spot on.
Taking the lessons learned from the 2019 test rides, I went back to my 2018 LT Stumpy Pro 29er and set about to implement a "mid travel" with a Pike @ 140mm (yes, got rid of the Ohlins fork) and the rear Ohlins ramped a bit more with 2x oil. Replaced the 170mm cranks with my usual 175mm and the rear susp. is lifted 6mm using the longer yoke Specialized provides for the 27.5+ setups. I now love the 2018 "mid" ride... more of a XC feel and quicker turning than before but still highly capable and stable on the trails.
I think that would be fun to watch
I'm also not so eager to thank Specialized (I’ve owned numerous and worked at a Specialized shop). I'm thinking of their sh^% Roval wheels, alloy bars on $6k bikes and a history of terrible “proprietary” shock partnerships (Ohlins and Cane Creek). If we're going to praise a company for offering value, the big S doesn't come to mind but Commencal, YT, Canyon, and other direct-order brands do.
Models got released a while back in very short quantities and then they got pulled out of the dealer site.
As of today , they aren't available.
Cannondale.
(GDR)
Happy trails !
This is actually a great idea and I’m kinda surprised people downvoted you so much. It’s obvious that most don’t understand how not for profits operate. You’d need a niche, like making bikes for low income folks for example, but it could work if executed properly.
Legally being able to fundraise makes a big difference.
hmmm. its gotta be one or the other. yamaha has more moving parts but costs less...
Get that done and I'll get you some footage of of all these "great climbing bikes" tugging a clutch derailleur mech every time the suspension cycles.
Sorry to hear it m-kaz. I hope your recovery is going well. Nothing like a close call to help us realize how lucky we are to have functioning bodies that take us into the mountains on bicycles.