Ceramicspeed Claims Their Bearings Could Outlast Your Frame - Eurobike 2018

Jul 7, 2018
by Alex Evans  
These are just samples but they represent the final bearings without the dust cover. The white polymer matrix hides the ball bearings.
These are just samples, but they represent the final bearings without the dust cover. The white polymer matrix hides the ball bearings.

Cermaicspeed's brand new SLT bearings are putting out some bold claims with a novel and revolutionary (in mountain biking, at least) design that promises to reduce the number of times you need to change the bearings on your bike. Ceramicspeed's new bearings use the same technology as in food processing applications.

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Although the main parts of the bearings, like the inner and outer races and the balls, are all made from standard materials - like Ceramic Speed's silicon nitride for the balls - these new bearings have an entirely new approach to lubrication that they claim will increase the bearing's life to a minimum of 4 years before replacement. In lab testing, the bearings survived 2 million cycles from 0 to 15 degrees before a decrease in performance was noted. A normal bearing lasts around 600,000 cycles.

A bearing fitted with a dust cover
A bearing fitted with a dust cover
The same bearing without the cover
The same bearing without the cover

During the manufacturing process, a polymer matrix that is infused with oil is poured into the bearings in liquid form and is then baked to cure into a solid state. The oil in the matrix lubricates the metal balls as the bearing spins. Because the matrix goes solid during the baking process it reduces the number of gaps or space inside the bearings helping keep out contaminants and water.

The baked polymer matrix that s baked to harden
The baked polymer matrix that's baked to harden

Initially focussing on the OE market, fitting their new bearings to range-topping bikes, it has been rumoured that Ceramicspeed has been working with a large American and German manufacturers in a bid to improve the longevity of their bikes. Aftermarket kits won't be available right away, but there are plans to produce pivot bearing kits, and when they are released, they're expected to cost around €500. Cermanicspeed are also planning on producing these bearings for other applications such as headsets.

Scaled-up ball bearings
Scaled-up ball bearings
Scaled-up ball bearings

The white material is the polymer matrix that acts as a barrier and lubricating device.
The white material is the polymer matrix that acts as a barrier and lubricating device.


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42 Comments
  • 30 2
 If my mathematics are near correct the bearings last about four times as long as standard bearings but cost about 20 times as much - well that sure makes sense to me............
  • 11 8
 So the interfaces where you press your bearings into your hubs, headset, BB, etc, all last four times longer. Put it in context and it makes some sense.
  • 16 4
 @sherbet: No, it doesn't. You have to be a maniac to destroy said interfaces by inserting and removing the bearings 4 times.
  • 6 5
 @sherbet: That's not quite how it works.
  • 18 2
 @Powderface: That's exactly how it works. If a bearing needs to be removed, it slowly damages the interface that it presses into, this is why some companies sell slightly oversized OD bearings for bottom brackets. Tolerances always wiggle loose over time.

If you're under the impression that there is no wear on high tolerance items when having bearings removed and pressed back in, I'm sorry to say you're incorrect.

By having a higher quality bearing, you need to remove them less often, and therefore your tolerances stay better for longer, which results in less creak coming from the interface.
  • 8 3
 @sherbet: I understand what you're saying but, unless you're using a flathead screwdriver and a hammer to change your bearings, you will never destroy a frame from switching out bearings once a year.
  • 6 3
 @Powderface: I'm sorry man, but even with the correct slide hammer pullers, and the correct bearing presses, you're still pressing a steel interface into a aluminum interface with a tight tolerance, it will eventually start wearing out.

As an aside, I work as a professional mechanic and have for over a decade. I've seen this in real time; tolerances wear out. That's life. Higher quality bearings keep your shit rolling for longer, it's not even a debate.
  • 4 2
 @sherbet: You are definitely correct, every time you remove and install something with an interference fit a tiny amount of material is removed. Luckily there are things like bearing mount compound to take up that slack if you end up losing enough material to effect tolerances. At $660 a bearing set it makes no sense, considering the life of a full suspension frame, to spend that much money on the return in bearing life you would receive. A better way to spend your money is a grease needle and some high quality grease. Brand new bearings come with the least amount of lubrication possible to save cost, so an initial service when the pivots and bike are new, combined with a regular maintenance schedule would serve someone better than spending that much on bearings.
  • 2 1
 @sherbet: These bearings have porosity on their surface anyway. They're basically the same cheap Chinese trash but sold as better. Ceramic Speed doesn't post any data regarding porosity testing, surface testing, hardness testing, and has recently deleted all their 200-400 micrometer images. These people are straight up frauds.
  • 2 1
 @sherbet: I do hope you use grease when mounting new bearings. That would make the wear of the bore and the change in the tolerances to the minimum, thereby negating the issue.

And, at the end of the day, with the right design (for example like on the '15 Reign i have) changing most of the bearing bores is cheap, just buy a new set of links (that covers 8 out of 12 bearing bores). ANd you can still glue the bearing in if it falls out. After all, i have heard of loose bearings on more or less new Liteville frames, where even gluing them in didn't help. And this was from more than one source.
  • 1 2
 @Primoz: Nah dude, I just spit in the pivot and that's enough, right?

Yes, I understand correct bearing installation. Grease is not going to completely prevent the issue. Something like bearing retention compound can help, but that's to fix an issue you seem to be refusing to admit.

I'm with Gills. By no means am I saying get these bearings, just keep interface wear in mind when grabbing a set of new bearings.
  • 10 1
 Where does Ceramic Speed post any data that proves the quality of their bearings? Has any engineered signed off saying they're Grade 3 Ceramic Balls? I've asked Ceramic Speed a bunch of times and all it's lead to is them deleting the page they had that contained images of a few balls taken at 400 micrometers. This industry doesn't seem to be transparent about their claims. Nothing about porosity meter testing, hardness testing, roundness testing, or anything about meeting ASTM. Google
'Ceramic Speed ASTM' and nothing from Ceramic Speed comes up. Nothing proves these balls are better than 'cheap Chinese balls'.
  • 11 0
 It’s never the rotation cycle in bearings the issue, dirt penetration and load forces.
  • 5 0
 Yeah I'll believe in these if they get through 1 uk winter.
  • 4 0
 funnily enough, its' the lack of bearing rotation that causes problems, because limited rotation means only a few bearing locations take all the load. One of the silliest things bike manufacturers do is use caged bearings for pivots. They should use full complement.The cage takes up space increasing the loading factor in limited rotation applications.
  • 1 0
 @Kapricorn: Even using (appropriately sized) caged bearings would not be much of an issue. You could even rotate the bearings every few weeks (unscrew the axle, rotate it, tighten it back - you change the most loaded balls and the location of the loads on the raceway).

It's the dirt that's the issue. Once it gets in, it's life over.

As for the winter in the UK, i suspect Santa Cruz solution is the key - open bearings on the inside (so properly mounted RS bearings instead of 2RS), then grease up the buggers through a grease port with a gun. And flush the dirt out if you're lucky. That and a form of additional sealing on the pivots to prevent dirt coming in in the first place.
  • 1 0
 @piesforyou: or one winter on Vancouver Island's grime and rain..
  • 1 0
 @Primoz: agree with you.......you rotate the Santa Cruz pivot axles and spin with a drill.....they last 3X longer as they just 'grind' out the grease moving 5 degrees back and forth......
The open bearings on the inside do make a huge difference too
  • 5 0
 aslo lets say you do a rough enduro ride where your rear wheel( and linkage) will get an impact twice every meter , in turn this means all the bearings in the linkage will turn a little bit

now lets say you ride 65km that roughly equals to 130 000 rotations on the bearings which makes 4 million sound a lot less impressive


or am I reading too much into this ?
  • 5 0
 My only guess is that one cycle is not equal to one rotation for Ceramicspeed...

My hub bearings are not done after 1’300 km...
  • 3 0
 you could be reading into it a bit much. but not all suspension designs are created equal; my banshee has never needed a bearing replacement after 4 years of decently rough rides (bike parks and rooty stuff) while some of my friends bike's bearing de after 3 months.

the above claim that normal bearings fail after 600,000 cycles does sound very ambiguous to me......... so in response to you.... yes..?...?..............
  • 3 0
 @nolimit: One cycle is 0 to 15 degrees of rotation. Check the article, it's explained in there. Cheers.
  • 1 0
 @alexcgevans: what actually constitutes a fail in these tests? is that until a certain amount of play or volumetric wear?
  • 1 0
 @nolimit: same , and my enduro bike's pivots are still going strong after 2 years of abuse
  • 1 0
 @lozzerbiker: banshee stock their bikes with quality bearings, my legend is on its 2nd bike park season (I live and work in whistler and ride a lot) bearings are fine, my Commencal Meta 4.2 is 4 months old and i need to replace them
  • 8 2
 Here they go again. Developping things that already exist and making you believe they invented it. (And selling it 10x the price)
  • 2 0
 To be fair the other brands versions of these (SKFs etc) are also mighty expensive!
  • 6 0
 Wtf? 500€ ? You can get a bearing extractor kit and some decent bearings that will outlast my frame's life!
  • 1 0
 Exactly
  • 2 0
 Lead designer: I've got a thought..Lets just replace the balls and put a polymer bushing inside our bearings instead.
Marketing man: Lets claim there are some ceramics in there too, as no one will want it if it's just plastic wedged between 2 bits of metal.
Sales Guy: Lets price them rediculously, cos no one wants something more than something they can't afford.
Jean-Luc Pickard: Make it so!
  • 5 1
 500 Euro. Lol. Good luck.
  • 1 0
 Even if they did last four times as long, even with labour costs that's got to be more than four times as much as a standard bearing replacement.
I guess it means your bike is in the shop three times fewer so you gain three weekends riding over the four years?
  • 2 1
 Now, this company has been around for a while and are "very" successful with roadies and XC nerds because not only do the bearings last longer, but they also rolls more smoothly and roll more efficiently than metal ball bearings due to the ceramic bearings being rounder. When people are trying to eek out every bit of efficiency, they turn to stuff like this.
  • 1 0
 500 euros per bearing or per kit ? as in kit for entire frame's pivots ? if the latter I might consider it if it will legit last 4 years
  • 7 4
 Surely even dentists can't justify this
  • 23 0
 I’m a dentist and I can’t. I blew my budget on reverb rebuilds.
  • 1 1
 Soo, there s some handle bar for $$$, some bottom bracket, some titanium frame, now bearings..
My drwam bike is closer with every month.
  • 1 0
 Do they really expect to sell any ?....lol
  • 1 1
 €500 compared to €30 ebay kit
That's 16.67 ebay kits
6,668,000revs
So the ebay kits last longer......
  • 4 0
 Shit maths The ebay kits will last 10,002, 000 revs
  • 1 0
 Ceramic bearings are for high speed! This is nonsense...
  • 1 0
 Say what Eek that’s insane pricing lol







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