Video: Actual Weights of Pro Enduro Bikes with Ed Masters

 @gooral: I still "like" him better

 @gooral: totally agreed like,yeah like like like like like

 *loik

 The Warner fanboys just won’t let it go.

 @gooral: Ed is like, the likablest.

 Ya deal killer whensomeone says 'like' and constantly asks 'do you know what I mean?'

 NO SHIT!!! Ed, like Rob, is immediately a master of stoke - like bigtime.

 @z-man: God Awful At Talking

 @z-man: he speaks english like a goat yeah

 Cedric is pure gold

 @gooral: Eliot Jackson was starting every sentence with "I mean".
Irritating as well even if the guy is super appreciable.

 Problème is that Ed is still capable of breaking into top 5 , would be a shame not to have him riding

 @gooral: mate as soon as you hear the first 20, I’m like just so over it ay. Like to be fair, like a lot of the other pros I like. Like as mountain bikers. Like I can’t listen to em ay, like 10 mins in and I’m like. I’m out.

 Dammit. I was seriously using my 40lb Nicolai G1 a slow climbing excuse

 At least Polygon got the name right!

 Has anyone checked his bike for a electric motor?? lols

 @ribena1234: No space for one with all those funky linkage components...

 They don't call it the collosus for nothin

 @yoimaninja: But Polygon didn't even get the name of their own bike right. That word is spelled "Colossus", not "Collosus".

 @g-42: Trojan linkage perhaps

 I knew Polygon frames are heavy but wtf that Specialized is basically the same weight. Gotta check the video for more info, comments always take the priority

 Still top 10 last outing

 Weight of riders is not told... He might be just 5kg lighter than all the others so the overall package (bike + rider) will be lighter as well...

 @Mightyfirelord: That just makes it worse for him as he has that much less muscle mass pushing it around. Of course then you'd have to investigate rider weights, BMI, %fat, FTP, 5/10/20/30/60 second power, etc, etc, etc.

The bike weights what it weighs and feels the way it feels to the pro riding it. Just nice to see some real world numbers on bikes that a lot of people think are wonder machines.

 Nice

 Can we have a weighted average please with the weight given being the weight of the bikes minus the wait for you to have read this comment.

 Thank you for doing the dirty work.

 @Kmccann137:

It's also tyres, droppers and big gears.

 Nice

 @z-man: and inserts, 29" wheels

 @alexhyland: Most weren't running inserts.

 I’ve had lots of fun on a 37 pound bike with 3x shifting before so a gearbox would be a welcome change. Do currently available gearboxes have similar climbing ratios to chain driven 1x12 drivetrains?

 Except you start kitting out that gearbox bike the same way to make sure stuff doesn't blow up over a long day of racing, and it'll be easily over 40#.

 @g-42: My Zerode Katipo 475mm comes in at 38lbs with Double Down, CushCore, DVO JadeX coil, Zeb Ultimate 180mm, and 200mm 9.8 dropper. It's so light I can run a fender in the desert!

 @sjma: Pinion's have significantly more range than a 12 speed with a 10-52t

 @Chadwickadam: my Taniwha, also 475, is no lightweight build and it's right at 38.

 @g-42: A lot of these frames are 37lbs in size medium.

I ride L/XL at 6ft3.
The Archibald Bikes AC1 reviewed on this site a few weeks back was 37/38lbs in a Large with coil shock.

 Got an Atherton DH bike in my hands a few weeks ago,just for a second. First thing I noticed was the crazy low weight compared to my Demo,even to my Enduro. The owner is taller than me and both my bikes are S4 size. I think that bike is full equip to the teeth with all gucci parts. My bike felt like it was made from cast iron compared to that bike. So yes, a Dh bike can be lighter than average enduro bikes. Never got those bikes on the scale.

 @tadabing: they will be lighter.

No dropper, smaller cassette.

 @FloImSchnee: or about the same. Dual crowns, long coil shocks...

 My old S-works demo 8's came in a 14.4kg (~32lb) not even trying to use light stuff.

I broke 3 of those frames in 18 months though lol. Thank god for warranty. They were made out of paper mache.

 I have an xl raaw madonna with dh continental tires on it and an xl v10 and the v10 is definitely realllly close in weight, probably a little lighter

 My old Demo Carbon XL was 38.5lbs. New Commencal Supreme is over 40lbs. Both full Ohlins, Shimano XTR/Saint, DT 240's/EX471's with bladed spokes, Magic Mary DH tyres (no inserts), Thomson components.
Basically DH bikes don't need to be and aren't light, unless you ride a small frame!

 My kenevo sl is 40.09 lbs in an S3

 @succulentsausage: Then maybe keep repeating you lifting exercise for 2-3h to simulate a long Uphill and check back if 20lbs more change something.

 @succulentsausage: it’s so funny to me, that noting one bike in a list weights 30% more than the rest and is on a bike site but doesn’t understand how significant that is for a bike.

Ohh do you lift bro? *swoon*

 A good pedaling platform makes the pounds melt away.

 I weighed mine after building just out of interest. When speccing the bike component were chosen for reasons including weight so made sense.

 This discussions tend to degenerate pretty quickly - lighter is always going to be better because you're moving less mass. The trade off is in durability and capability - you don't want a broken frame, to pinch flat, detonate a rim, give up the feel of a stiff fork, etc, etc.

The reality is once you're on a fairly nice, capable bike, calibrated for your terrain and riding style, you can invest a 50% premium into your steed to shave off 5% of it;'s weight, which is likely 1% of the bike/rider system, and likely still be taking a chance on compromising other characteristics of the bike- especially durability.

For enduro pros, the weight matters, but a bike failure is a lost race and potentially high physical consequences. For weekend warriors and fast dads... its a really easy way to save money. My 36ish pound, all aluminum trail bike has been bombproof for almost 3 years under this 200lb fast dad. For a couple grand, it could be a 34-35 pound bike. That's the same amount of weight I lose as I empty a water bottle over the course of a couple hour ride.

 So I can have the following conversation, with extreme confidence:

Average Joe: “wow, that’s a really nice bike! How much does it weigh”?
Me: “I don’t know like 30 lbs”. Knowing damn well it weighs 37.16 lbs.
Average Joe: “Wow that’s pretty heavy, how much did it cost”?
Me: “I don’t know like $3,000”. Knowing damn well it cost $6,389.99
Average Joe: “wow that’s really expensive, what’s it made out of”?
Me: “I don’t know, metal”. Knowing damn well it’s made out of a mixture of thermoplastic carbon fiber and 6061 aerospace aluminum.

Then we can all go on with our lives, satisfied.

 A lighter bike is easier on the chairlift, and increases the longevity of the lift while reducing greenhouse gas emissions

 youtu.be/myFJTO8mdtw

TLDR: intermediate and expert riders are often faster with heavier bikes (the lead weight they added were not haphazard, but strategically placed), but pro riders are typically faster with lighter bikes.

In a post-race interview a few years ago, Greg Minnaar said he would pay $100k for a flat proof tire (after he lost a race due to flat). Thats really why these pro bikes aren't all 32 pounds like Andrew Neethling: they have DD casings & inserts.

 @BiNARYBIKE for the average enthusiast, there is no benefit.
For tech savvy people, it's just a pleasure, the same way I like to put 2 snowboards back to back and be like "oh, the sidecut radius really is more progressive on that one".
For people riding 2000-4000m+ days, 2kg off a bike make a difference.

If you make efforts to build them light-ish, why not weigh stuff? How do you know what's the priority when making them lighter if you don't know the components' weights?

 Long middle aged crisis (not quite there yet) rant

When we were kids we all loved playing with legos. We weren't trying to win races, we were building cool things and enjoying it.

Now in our late 30s and 40s (and 50s) we can't all be Greg Minnaar. We don't ride to win races or even KOM stuff anymore. But now we have actual income and we can afford cool stuff. Its not like college where I didn't lube my chain because I couldn't afford it, and I'd spend 3 hours browsing classifieds online to save $20 on an LX derailleur. Building up a lightweight bike is cool. Its fun. Researching different parts, trying them out, playing at being an Engineer instead of a product manager or SEO specialist. All things being equal, a lighter bike is a better bike, so its really rewarding to try and solve this puzzle. How light is too light? Will these Aliexpress carbon bars be the key to a sub-33 pound build, or will they help me evaluate how good my health insurance is?

This is why Dangerholm's instagram is so appealing. Since we can't push the boundaries of our physical performance anymore, why not push other boundaries?

 @Dogl0rd: well said! Park riding is most measurable reason for climate change.

 @hamncheez: I don't know man, 80% of all KOMs in my riding area belong to a guy well over 40 (if not 50) and some of those times are better than Lukasik's (however he did significntly less attempts). So I would say you can be fast for a very very long time.

 @lkubica: Does Greg Minnaar ride in your area

 @hamncheez: No and this guy is older than Greg, Greg is as young as me . And the area is densely inhabited by fast guys. So seriously, if you are below 60 you have no excuses for being slow if you train properly.

 @hamncheez: that's not a rant, that's an ode. An ode to big children playing with big toys

 @gregs22: I never tell an average Joe what my bike costs. They just don’t understand.

 @lkubica:

Solution -> don't train properly so you always have a slew of excuses.

 @lkubica: who, Romek Kwaśny? are you in BB?

 @hamncheez: I have a Large, Mondraker Foxy hanging in my garage that is 29lbs on the snoot, with DD casing in the rear and EXO+ in the front.


it's really not that hard.....just expensive. lol

 @lkubica: and 80% of that 80% are bullshit glitches, but if you out glitch their glitch...? OHHHHHH THATS A FLAGGIN'!

STRAVA IS DUMB

 @TheR: "right about $2000". that is the answer for joe sixpack. enough they are impressed, below them thinking of bikejacking you/thinking you're Elon's kid....lol

 @Mtbdialed: Is that an XXXXXS 24" ?

 @hamncheez: no, just an XXX enduro slayer. ;D

 So you can factually state how much heavier your bike is to your mates, and why that 250g makes you 5mins slower on a 1km climb, despite last week saying what a great pedaling platform it has.

 @Glenngineer: Not entirely sure lighter is actually always better. Recently got 58lb ebike and I’m a bit faster on it downhill (no pedaling) than my 38lb analog. Even in twisty stuff. And jumping is significantly more stable. I think ideal weight will ultimately depend on the size strength of the rider - for me I think the sweet spot might be in the 45lb range. That weights would seem to impart the added stability / suspension performance without making it feel like a runaway train.

 @Dogl0rd: Could this could all be negated of it is made of non recyclable plastics?

 @hamncheez: Hmmm I don't know. There are guys in my area well into their forties who compete well on par with guys in their twenties. There are a lot of anecdotes that indicate age isn't truly an excuse until you hit your 70s.

 Lighter bikes, to an extent, are only better climbing. Bikes in the mid-30’s are better down hill. Sprung weight matters to stabilize the bike. Lightweight bikes are great for XC.

 @gregs22: nailed it

 Bikes optimized for racing where only the downhill segments are timed. Seems about right.

 @TucsonDon: Except the downhill segments are not the only thing timed. There’s some pretty steep and brutal climbs during the timed stages of enduro.

 same lol

 @knapton: likewise, makes me feel pretty good about my ~34lb Gnarvana, ready to ride

 That’s hilarious. Mine sits at 30lbs. with a coil shock. I had downhill bikes from 2009 that were lighter than your trail bike haha.

 @dualsuspensiondave: Wich bike do you have that is 30lbs?

 @jokullthor: Ripmo V2

 Interesting that most guys weren't running inserts.

 @gooral: Fortunately, English isn't the only language around

 @johnthewolf: It is not. But I am pretty sure no such word exists in any language.

 @gooral: They spelled it slightly differently to the "real" word... Congratulations - you just won pedant of the month!

 @gooral: I ride a "Sisque", am I going to have similar problems?

 @Paco77: OK mate, if you say so

 @gooral: damn you must've studied language at Harvard huh

 @Merijn1: Loool, yes, you need to attend university to know orthography, facepalm

 Got the same bike but Michelin DH 22 front tire and Butcher DH rear tire. Always carry something the the trunk and my trusted water bottle. I got afraid to put my bike on the scale.

 Same as me, sold my Demo and the Enduro is my do it all bike now

 My ‘21 AM 29 size m is bang on 37lbs. I actually love the weight vs my ‘20 Process carbon at 33lbs. “A few extra pounds” aint a big deal when going down a mountain

 Had my Niner WFO built up initially at just over 36 lbs (no idea how the reviewers were riding theirs at 32-ish with a heavier fork). It was noticeable heft on the climbs. I got it down to about 34.5 and it's definitely better. Would love to get it a bit lighter yet for the long trail days.

 I weigh neither my bike nor my self. Both are built for durability and toughness and probably weigh a few more pounds than I think they do.

 I also don't care what you or your bike weigh, thanks for sharing.

 I kinda feel like @RonSauce does care what your bike weighs, and that curiosity scares him, so he acts like he doesn't care.

 @c1olin: whatchu weigh bro? Let me lift you up. Please bro, I promise I won't make it weird. I just want to do a Patrick Swayze and hold you over my head while our song plays... then I want you to whisper how heavy your bike is in my ear, in kg.

 Rotating mass counts double because you have to accelerate both linearly and angularly. Plus thicker casings trend to have more rolling resistance.

 Cant beleive his Druid is that heavy, i also ride a 130mm trail bike and its almost exactly 10lbs lighter.

 I don't know how that's a preferred setup. I recently installed a megneg on my bike but forgot to remove the positive side volume reducers, went down some fast super rocky/repeat big hits trail and it felt miserable plus unbalanced. At the end saw the shock was only using half its travel. It was not a great ride.

 @arrowheadrus: when you add more durable wheels, and heavier casing tires it adds up very quick.

 @arrowheadrush: Dunno if I'd compare the Druid V2 to just any average 130mm trail bike- it is by all accounts intentionally a gravity-fed shred sled. It seems made to buck the idea that travel defines a mountain bike's category.

 @arrowheadrush: travel doesn’t change, the frames all weight around the same, the components are the same, a shock with 5mm less stroke won’t change the weight

 Charlie Murray talked about why he was riding the stumpjumper evo instead of an enduro and he was saying about 90% of the stages are kind of just basic trail bike trail with areas of jank mixed in and that most of the time is made in those more tame sections.

If you watch some go pro footage of the stages they really arent super jank or anything, im sure some are throughout the year but not all of them are going to be faster on a huge enduro bike.

 @Aem221: I rode most of the stages this week. On a 120/130 bike. At about half pro speed. Wishing I had more travel. Seeing how these guys jump in stuff I treat as slow tech, I am pretty sure the bigger bikes are an advantage.

 Yeah as I was watching this I was picturing Henry's grin just getting bigger as he turns toward Levy and Kaz.

 Adding DH casing tyres will add 2 to 3 pounds compared to most stock tyres. It goes up to an extra 4 to 5 pounds if you include inserts.

 Yes, but that Reign only has to survive you riding it. It would not hold up reliably under a pro in race conditions.

 so mineral oil?

 @Mtbdialed: seems that way

 I have a TR-11 aslo think it's around 34 with a Boxxer and SRAM XO DH kit.

 Their bikes are designed to last an entire race while the components are being trashed to the edge of their existence. It doesn't surprise me whatsoever.

 I just bought a pro's enduro bike that I thought would be super light as it's top spec everything. Except she had some prototype maxxis tires that were thicker than DH tires and weighed a TON. I think these folks would rather those extra pounds than a flat.

 Add any 29" real tire (DH casing front and back) and no carbon fancy wheels or parts and you can make a close guess.

 Just because its tubeless doesnt mean its lighter, carbon rims are also not much lighter than top end alu ones. 1x12 drivetrain is can be heavier than 1x10 and 1x11. My tubed, alu rim 1x9, 29er weighs alot less than these bikes. Also alot of these carbon frames weigh more than my steel 160mm travel frame.

 Melamed's bike:
38.99 lb = 17.69 kg
17.69 kg = 39.00 lb

 I'd like to know how many hands the riders are, too.

 My steel 160mm full sus frame weighs less than most topend carbon frames with similar travel. Just because its carbon doesnt always mean its lighter

 When will pink bike allow comment editing

 @Lookinforit: all we can do is practice acceptance

 @Lookinforit: It does. On a desktop browser, for the first few minutes.

 Its a good thing we aren't building spacecraft.

 @FaahkEet: it’s a miracle we made it to the moon with imperial units

 @FaahkEet: or a submersible

 @sjma: for real. When I was in engineering school, on exams, I used to convert all of the imperial unit questions over to metric, then convert back at the end. Thermodynamics using imperial units was borderline cruel and unusual punishment.

 @m-t-g: they used to chuck imperial units into our exams just to show us how bad we could have it.

 @m-t-g: you’re a much braver person than I am. I got torched on sig figs in high school chemistry and learned mechanical/powertrain engineering probably was best left as a hobby

 @m-t-g: sooo true. Thankfully my thermo prof always had the exam questions in SI. (Homework Q’s went either way though).

Fluid mechanics was always SI until open channel hydraulics and the it gets really hairy as all of the empirical equations have these crazy “conversion” factors with units of like ft ^ 2/3 per gallon squared