Santa Cruz announced their new line of Reserve carbon wheels
back in June, but at that time they were only available on complete bikes. That's no longer the case, and they can now be purchased separately, no bike purchase required. There are two 27.5” internal rim widths available — 27 and 30mm, and the 29” wheels are available with an internal width of 25, 27, or 30mm. Along with the rim width choices, there are two hub options — either DT Swiss 350 or Industry Nine.
There's also a lifetime warranty, where, according to Santa Cruz, "If you do actually manage to break our rim while out riding, we'll replace it for free. And probably high five you in the process! If it gets run over by a truck we'll help you out with a low cost accidental 'crash replacement', because life's too short to argue. We know riding time's too precious to keep you waiting, so we'll do our best to sort you out fast."
Reserve Wheel PricesReserve carbon rims with DT Swiss 350 hubs: $1599 USD
Reserve carbon rims with Industry Nine Torch hubs: $1899 USD
www.santacruzbikes.com
Keep up noobs...
> says he is dropping his tire pressures down
> jumps that first jump with easily 2+ bar / 30+ psi
/edit: the rest of the vid is very impressive though O_O
I was thinking more along the lines of a game of BIKE on their trail rigs.
If they are so enthusiastic about it that simply means the rims are in fact cheap to manufacture and, that at their asking price you have already paid for the replacement. Prove me wrong.
PS. I like how all the rim sections look exactly the same on those drawings. Are these expandable under the load or tyre pressure?
So your 150g per rim applies to EX511 vs some super light carbon rim, lighter than 400g. In such instance I can bet my keyboard that if we both went to Whistler for a weekend, it would be you spending lots of Canadian Pesos for a spare wheel in one of local shops. I would never doubt that a rim like ENVE M90 could survive years in the park, but a 400g carbon rim definitely wouldn't. Maybe with procore inside... oh there goes your weight saving
Performance... like what? climbing for hours or accelerating out of corners? You can or you can't mate. Rode whole summer on 2ply tyres, lots of climbing. Did my homework, body just took it. Quick manouvers? This weekend I followed a friend of mine who is fkng spectacular. The way that dude shoots out of berms is jaw dropping. You just see his arse lifting from braking hard before the turn, then you see him from the top as he leans, both widely spread elbows flash, and then he shoots out of the corner like from a slingshot. Until we ride like that, let's stick to post/pre purchase rationalization hypothesis
The rims you say you run are EX471, which DTswiss says are 530g (29, what I ride) with 25mm internal width. The comparable Nextie rim is 375g. As I said before, in my experience, my carbon Nextie rims are more durable and reliable than my experience with various mid-range aluminum, plus I have a decent warranty. Utah is nothing but loose rocks everywhere, so I have plenty of lateral hits and impacts. I don't feel that aluminum has been more durable for me, despite weighing more.
But your not going to win so what's the point?
Get so much as a flat tire and your not going to win regardless of what your rims made off.
Once them spokes go your on yer arse no matter what. And a carbon rim can loose more spokes before giving out so swings and round about depending on how it fails.
A really good alloy rim is about £80, chinese carbon rims over £200 by the time they are inside the UK and branded rims at least £400 up to the utterly idiotic price of £1000 for an ENVE which if you are anything but absolutely swimming in cash is the single most mental purchase possible.
If your at a local race and you smack an alloy rim you can bend it back too, stuff a tube in there and get another run in, crack a carbon rim and you are off home unless you have a spare. (If you can afford to buy into the ENVE marketing machine you probably have a spare fleet of bikes let alone a wheel though)
Those wheels are tough as they come, but my spank oozy build cost under 500$ and has been 100%.
The future I hope for is less crappy wheels coming stock on bikes, good Aluminum in the 400$ range, and carbon in the 700$ range. I know that's asking a lot, but 2,000$= for wheels is plain stupid.
2. Enviromental reasons, I like to think my old beer cans made their way into my bike.
Test 2: Greg has to test them under race conditions.
Even if he is trying hard landings, he still 1,000.000 times smoother than average consumer.
Average American rider that can afford these wheels is what..? 200 pounds
His set is custom built for it.
Then I wonder why a lot of heavier pros- DH or Enduro- go for the aluminum rims when the sponsor has both aluminum and carbon.
Finally, sometimes racers are stubborn. Look at XC riders- they all hate the new slacker GEO thats being pushed by their sponsors. They want their bikes to feel and handle like a road bike, despite the clear evidence that 120mm stems with 72 degree HTA don't climb better and descend far worse.
I'd argue against carbon rims, but I can only think of two negatives to carbon; non renewable/recycleable and expensive.
Haters gonna hate. Personally, I' ll continue to run alloy, because I'd rather spend the money elsewhere.
(Better fork/shock, rebuilding my dropper post every year, and beer)
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Carbon wheels are nice, but like carbon cranks, if you ride hard enough, they generally break sooner or later.
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From what I briefly read, if you break the rim because of your "error" they will fix it at cost.
SC was generally good with warranty, however they are now owned by a financial investment group...
Regardless it does not matter because in 3-4 years they ll come out with some other "innovation" to make boost incompatible with new frames.
It is just advertising.
I wonder which it will be.
My guess is the latter. Plus they will insist you send it back to them for a full rebuild with new spokes. Total cost, $400 to you sir.
youtu.be/l29l7gx70CI
These reserve wheels are strong as hell. Yeah great, they bloody should be at that price! I don't get it. Cut the price in half, you'll still make $500 a pair and then we can talk.
Until then, for these and all carbon wheels, it's a fail on the cost:benefit analysis
Totally agree.
but the wheels are definitely the best way to waste money.
At least if you do land an alloy rim onto a harsh square edge [with tire mounted] and fold the wall, you can often bend the bead wall back straight again with some mole grips/pliers. and sand smooth any rough edges that might prevent a tubeless set up from sealing again. I currently have two large dents in my rear wheel from rock gardens and it continues to hold air just fine, I've also finished several downhill runs on flat tires and the rims are holding up fine... and the cost is waaaaaaay less!!!!
I've got some cracks in my carbons that are 2 years old and haven't changed a bit. It's only the bead lip sealant did it's job. And the hits that did those would have totaled a alloy. So why haven't they exploded? This myth of the slightest crack and there usless is bs.
Why the hell would I want ride round on flat spotted buckled flexy wheels.
The money argument is totally irrelevant. if you can afford it it doesn't matter does it.
I'm the kind of guy that would never spend ten times the money to get 3% performance gain. I would spend that money on something else, like a holiday, a gift for my wife, or clothes.
If you're getting your rocks off spending such a lot on a bike, why not I guess. Seems a bit pointless to me but I'm not everyone.
As for 'flat spotted buckled flexy wheels', not sure which rims you tried but even if they are dented or a bit buckled it affects your ride quality precisely zero amount, your wallet however will be much more affected. If I had cracked or damaged carbon rims I'd be riding paranoid that they will explode any minute... no doubt you were too for the first year lol.
I have ridden carbon wheels, but dont own any and noticed they felt 'stiffer' and zippier but though that felt like an initial benefit I dont think that benefit on the smooth flowy trail would translate to my real-world riding - As many racers are finding an ultra stiff wheel leads to an unconfortable bike, enough so that as you say many pro's just wont run them and many even run lower than 'normal' tension on alloy rims.
The bike industry is now a marketing marvel, constantly introducing new standards and slightly improved products keeps peeople spending - Bikes are amazingly good right now but I think most of the improvements were made years ago with the last few years being minor changes.
I wonder how long the 'ultra long' trend will continue - I ride a longer bike than usual for me at the moment and like it, but it is by no means extreme and I imagine part of the reason I like it is the extra stability / confidence but that also helps to cover up by lack of ability on the bike - Look at riders like Rude, Graves, Jesse and Sam Hill and you will see guys riding bikes with very conservative reach figures and 50-60mm stems - I have been told by a pro that he wont run a long reach frame with 30mm stem as he just cannot weight the front end then and its useless.
Carbon is probably here to stay though, especially with frames, so I suppose we should get used to it.
Nobody is arguing that carbon rims are better performers but only for those that can access that higher performance level due to skill - if anything its the opposite and if you are really good / fast you will probably bash them to bits in no time at all.
I understand the point about people buying what want and not what they need but in this case you are not really accessing a higher potential level of performance, its just marketing crap - Its not like getting that Fox 36 when you would be just fine with a 34 grip.
Hahahahaha yeah pal sure whatever you say. Careful you dropped your tin foil hat
Were do you think they have been the last 2 years numpty.eg Garburn pass is a favorite of mine that's down to the church not up from like some. can't exactly call that a smooth run can you. Did it bout 4 weeks ago for the umpteenth time plus God knows how many other similar rides/hike a bikes up there and trip to morzine les gets. Lost 3 spokes on the rear in France. Dint stop me in the slightest. But Nothing wrecks rims like the lake district I know I've done to many.
Up until I got the carbons I'd do at least 2 rears a year. Flow /alex/ wtb i25s/ some mavic en models I can't even remember and 3 dog shit crossmax enduro rims in 3 months. And one day they will break up there no doubt as everything does, but I don't give a shit I got my moneys worth out of them without having to ride a 600g pig round . And you can't say ally doesn't fail spectacularly either cuz I've had them implode without warning so theres no guarantee of safety with ally either. fat slow cheap reliable wheels been there done that. mavic ex729 was the only rim that wouldn't die but weighed 600gs plus fer f sake and that's on a26er bike rode like a tank as soon as you got some speed up.
I've been riding bikes of all sorts since I was a kid I'm not shit. Mx/superbike /Mtb for years.
Front washing out to harsh not tracking set your bike up properly, learn to ride stop giving it death grip use different spoke tension, thickness, stem, bar, lace pattern ect Could be a few problems causing that or things that could be altered to suit. I have none of those in fact I have the exact opposite. So you making out that your right that always gonna happen and that's its fact is bs.