Canyon Factory Downhill Team Bike Checks

 Troy has grown quite a bit at 175.

 @chyu: the have the hieghts wrong. no way Troy is 5 9, closer to 5 7 lol and mark was 6 ft or 6 1. look at their pictures compared to the dirt mound in the back even

 @makripper: all the specialized rider heights were wrong too

 @me2menow: I f*cked up, 5ft 6 inches hahaha

 @chyu: Thats what I thought too. I stood next to him in the Canyon booth at Crankworx the other day and he seemed much smaller than me and I'm 176 cm. The weight might be close though.

 this^... ive seen a few of these bike checks with coil..... the return of the king !... man nothing comes close..

 coil is alot better for dh in every way I guess not weight but the is ti for that.

 @larr: The guys have dual rate, steel springs up front, soon to be released!

 @IrishPirate: sounds sick! i always wanted that

 Waiting for the new Fox 40 coil OFFICIAL. Right now lots of pros ride what is called "Kind'a'Factory", or "Float RCoil2"

 @WAKIdesigns: I have a Fox 40 Elite and wanted it to upgrade with a factory cartridge, would you change it to coil too?

 @chri92: I like coil suspension, it feels solid and grippy. Air is always spiky. Gets the job done and weighs little but coil just sticks.

 Hear, hear

 with a more progressive link to compensate..

 @blitz66: i wonder if they will make the linkage available to the public, as I'd like to run a coil on my sender !

 Not standard Boxxer springs!

 The standard explanation is that pro riders are hitting things so hard and fast that they need stiffer/ more progressive suspension than your average rider, so they don't blow straight through their travel

 @Smevan: for sure. I know why the pros all run thier stuff much stiffer. It just crazy that it's that much stiffer than normal.

 Yea but guys like Troy run X-Firm and still use more travel than I would on Medium. Even if you watch slo-mos of Gwin, his suspension is working in full range and I've seen people in pits trying to push his fork down by jumping on it, barely taking it half way down. Quite simply their big hits and G-outs are much bigger than yours... film yourself on what you think is "big" or "fast" where you think you really nail it, and then watch yourself and compare to how pros look like. In my situation, my "big" jump is what Troy flies from a stone on a sunday ride. It gives an idea what sort of forces acting on suspension are we dealing with and what spring rate has to cope with.

It's often overlooked. If a mortal like most of us here, would just run his suspension "hard as fk" he would only lose grip everywhere, and speed on the more chattery bits. Once you get faster you will feel that suspension is too soft, that wheels are falling too deep into holes instead of skipping over them and it dives too much under braking (as you braking skill develops). I also spoke with two different suspension tuners and they said that people no longer ride too soft bikes, at least it's rare. From what they observed, the trend has already settled and most people run too much SAG and too little compression. They get a fork for service, check the air pressure to note it down before opening it, and go "haha yea right mr Dave aka Brendawg".

 During the summer I met Slavik, he looks short next to Filip Polc, but he is at least 6ft tall

 Or dt swiss with black paint and mavic decal ones?????

 With a dual crown fork you can adjust crown height to change front end height / axle to crown and therefore head angle and bb height etc.

Your fox will have a minimum axle to crown figure and distance from crown to crown, so long as you are inside the reccomended you can adjust to suit, do some research and see where your current setup is. Many will run the fork as low as possible (axle to crown) if the frame doesn't have a super low bb but you find with steeper tracks it often goes the other way, use the upper crown to adjust for stem height within the guidelines for crown to crown - you can use stem spacers too which may also be faster.

Take some measurements and experiment - find out what works for you, if you don't like it put it back, it only takes an Allen key to adjust.

 @Racer951: Thanks! I'll do some measurements and give it a shot.
Its a V10, and there's a H/L setting for the rear as well, so I'll have to keep that in mind.

 dont forget about the difference in headtubelength between size M -> XL...

 thats exactly what i thought...im a bit taller and riding M...??? Talk about stretched!

 with all these short riders on XLs I'm not sure it will fit my 6'6" stupid body . . . has anyone my height ridden this beast?

 @LuvAZ: I've sat on a XL sender and it felt pretty damned looooong.

 @LuvAZ: I am 6'5" and have the XL. Amazing bike and size for people our height.

 @LuvAZ: I reviewed the XL Sender and at 6'3" it was just about long enough. It's longer than almost anything else out there, so what you gonna do?

Also, the article doesn't mention the chain stay length or head angle used (the interesting stuff), but Mark's bike is likely longer than Greg's XXL V10.

 Thats exactly what I would ride! Find a larger dh bike is faster, more stable over the rough stuff and can just lean back through corners.

 @MTB-Colada: its between this and the pivot . . . We'll see what US pricing is on the Canyon. Thanks for the replies guys!

 @MTB-Colada: By the numbers the XL Sender is pretty damn big. Super interesting that someone 5'11 is on one.

 @LuvAZ: i dunno... brosnan is pretty short and rides a M, which is 'normal' in my mind. ratboy also rides a M/L. while many riders opt for the larger sizes, i think it depends on personal preference and riding style. i'm a short dude, and if i got on any bike that was larger than a traditional medium, i felt too stretched out and hunched over to where i felt like i was going over the bars any time the track wasn't straight and fast.

 @LuvAZ: just got a XL a week ago and I'm 6.2. Canyon website said I'd be a large but fits mint with heaps of room. Ya will be sweet as at 6.6 tall.

 Troy holds on to his bars with the palms of his hands overhanging the ends of his grips. I do this too and people constantly mention my "narrow" bars while they are running 20-40mm wider bars but holding on to each end with a 20mm gap between their hands and the ends either side.
I wouldn't get too hung up on this information, it's all just personal preference.

 It just means that people that are thinking they need to run an 800 bar to be faster are just kidding themselves.

 @drummuy04: not always????. I run 800 with my palms at the very end. I used to be a weight weenie and run crazy narrow bars....could go smaller than 800

 I too want to know out from what? Full slow or full fast?

 "Out" is from closed (on all the way/full damper). This is the preferred way for most mechanics to count dial settings. Measuring from open (or off/no damping) would be "in". Hope this helps.

 @AJBarlas: Thank you for clarifying. Much appreciated!

 Yeah, it looks like it. I know he was on HT with Specialized in the past. Might have carried that sponsorship over.

 I would like to know how they removed the logo. I like the colour, and back and up sweep of Renthal Fatbars, but hate the logos.

 @Nairnster: if it's paint on top of anodized alu bars, then acetone (nail polish remover) will do the trick without damaging the anodized finish. Did this with my I9 rims and it came off very nicely.

 @Nairnster: I too would like to know. I would keep the Renthal logo but ditch the fatbar logo.

 @PsychoT: Any tips on how to change the color to matte black? Thanks!

 I questioned Mark on then, he said they're just Deemax, but the stickers had gotten ratty and were taken off.

 @AJBarlas: Fabien Barrel said in the inside Canyon Factory video on dirt that they where for the moment riding the aluminium wheels...maybe mavic will eventually try to make some carbon version of the deemax...

 @PaulinhoCascavel: not sure why they'd want to though. good aluminum wheels are better for top level DH anyway. there's been plenty of articles an interviews with riders on here over the past few years that conclude as much. check out gwin at leogang 2014

 @bthomson84: even so, Barrel is the kind of guy who likes to improve on everything. So I expect would him to experiment with different things. And nowadays almost everybody seems to use carbon rims, even Gwin uses carbon e13's now and the syndicate guys use enve wheels. I would expect mavic, as one of the biggest wheel manufactures to at least try to develop carbon DH rims to face their competition...
In my humble opinion, if there's a part in a bike that really benefits from being made out of carbon, are the wheels, even more than the frame, the benefits are obvious, rigidity and less weight. It's all a matter of personal preference at the end of the day, but all those world cup racers that use carbon rims can't be doing it all wrong I guess.

 @PaulinhoCascavel: i agree that Barel would be someone willing to push new technology. But disagree in relation to your other comments. the syndicate and the mob are using carbon for sponsorship reasons not because it is the best product for a wc rcae. i am confident that the majority of wc racers if given a choice would run a top end aluminum rim like a DT swiss if they had the choice. they are less prone to catastrophic failure allowing for more race runs to to be finished which significantly outweighs the very minimum weight gains carbon rims provide which in proportion to thw weight of a dh bike is negligible. as for rigidity that is personal preference but there are many riders who i admire and have given interviews to say that they much prefer the compliance of aluminum rims and do not like carbon for dh and technical rough riding.

 I've been riding my medium sender for 2 weeks now.
I have it completely stock with coil team boxxers and vivd air.
Although I'm 5,11 and could have gone for a L size I don't regret getting the M cos in long wheelbase position the bike has so much grip and speed if I raced all the time I'd probably get a size L but having the control over the bike and without having to extend my arms too far I've found that not only is this bike really really fast and stable but also jumps and tricks great.
The front and rear feel as one because the suspension is so balanced and weighted in the middle.

Sorry for the long waffle but I thought you were asking for a mini review??!!

 @mrwynnewillson: Sounds awesome. Just had a look at their website

 Yeah, I'll second that. I've had my 8.0 for a month now and once you get the suspension sorted it's like a missile.

 @dubod22: Yea stealth missile

 I think the Claw beat him there.

 Probably.

 @stumpymidget: hey shorty, i need to know which pedals , i need to know !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Troy uses HT pedals. Looks like Mark is on Crankbros Mallet DH.

 @tsumpton: thought they were Ht, thanks