Dangerholm's Quest to Build the World's Lightest eMTB

Jul 27, 2023
by Danger Holm  
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Words: Dangerholm

E-bikes. In a way they're a bit like cellphones, following a similar trajectory when it comes to how they evolve. Going from suitcase sized to weird looking with antennas, followed by becoming almost too small before we got the streamlined touch screen smartphone wonders most people take for granted today. These days no one bats an eye seeing you carrying a phone with you everywhere you go; on the contrary they'd look at you suspiciously if you were to say you don't have one.

At the same time many feel an increasing need to "go offline," even if it's just for a short while. Turn the electronics off and just live in the moment, to feel more and take in the surroundings whatever they may be.

My point is, e-bikes are here to stay. They can be an incredible tool, helpful and enjoyable in so many ways, but that doesn't mean that they're for everyone or every moment. You don't have to ride one, and there will always be room for traditional bikes. After all, at least in this regard it's a free world, because luckily you can ride whatever you want.

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We've come a long way already...

With that said I cross my fingers that we can let the battle axe rest for a short moment here. My hope with this bike is not to put fuel on the fire that is "What a time to be alive!" vs Kill them with fire!", but to perhaps give a fresh and open minded perspective on what e-bikes can be. I'm sure there are many cool ideas and discussions to be had if we go down that road.

Because this bike is one that blurs the lines between your good old muscle powered MTB and the modern battery assisted two-wheeled machine.

But of course, dear Pinkbike, I will be a bit disappointed if I don't see at least one "Kill it with fire" comment below or a rant about it being expensive. But you better feel the pressure to come up with something other than "dentist bike," because with its dual build kits and one-off prototype parts this one is way worse than that.

The truth is though, if we are to apply some logic, not many "World's..." anything come cheap.

Sensible Weightweenie-ism
The plan was as simple as it could be - build the lightest possible eMTB using the Scott Lumen as base. Partially out of curiosity, how light can you actually go? But also with the vision of creating an eMTB that would feel extremely close to a regular mountain bike to ride, with a fun boost at the push of a button.

Simple, yet of course quite complicated. It’s one thing to build something light, and another to truly push the limits and build the world’s lightest in its category. Especially so since it still has to be fully usable while maintaining great ride qualities, because to me there’s no point in building a ”show bike.” Bikes are meant to be ridden. So a lot of the difficulty lies in balancing weight with performance and durability.

When it comes to upgrades and full custom builds I’ve always tried to push the idea that you should build the bike for yourself and no one else. We all have different preferences, riding styles, rider weight and so on and this means you can go in different directions.

One prime example of this is of course how light components you can ”get away with.” And while there are perhaps surprisingly few components on this bike with rider weight limits lower than you normally see, the spec list is chosen with my own body weight and riding style in mind.

But the Lumen is an incredibly versatile chassis, being capable of everything from pure XC training to the trail and downcountry stuff. And pushing the build so far into XC territory to reach a record weight, I figured that I might as well get a few select extra components for more heavy-hitting trail duty and get myself a 2-in-1 dream bike.

I also thought that a super light but fun focused trail build would be something more riders could relate to personally, so it would be cool to show that side of the Lumen as well.

And this is why you’ll find not just the 12.90 kg record weight version presented below but also a trail / downcountry version of the very same bike. And if I may say so myself, at around 14kg that might be equally impressive considering the type of riding it can handle.

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Frame
For those of you not familiar with the Scott Lumen eRIDE series, it’s essentially the e-bike version of the Scott Spark. Aside from having the rear suspension travel bumped up from 120mm to 130mm, and a slightly different shape to accommodate the TQ drive unit and battery system, it shares the geometry and many of the features. Most obvious is of course the fully integrated rear shock, but you also for example see the easily adjustable headset cups to change the head angle.

Impressively enough the volume of the frame is just 17% bigger than on the Spark, and that number alone tells you that this is a very discreet looking e-bike.

In true Scott fashion it is also very light weight. Stripped from paint (which was around 150g) it weighs just 2072g including hardware. Even after adding the rear shock and rear axle it’s an extremely competitive weight for a downcountry capable e-bike frame.

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As for the paint stripping itself, I prefer to do most of the work using knives when the end goal is a raw carbon fiber surface. This quite literally sounds very brutal but done correctly it’s a very safe method. It’s not faster than sanding, but it allows me to remove all the primer and possible filler with minimal impact on the carbon fiber. In fact, since I’m so careful you can even still see scratch marks from some of the sanding done at the factory when the frame comes out of the mold.

Needless to say though, removing the paint from your frame is not encouraged by Scott or any other bike manufacturer for that matter. It will always void all warranties, and may be dangerous if done incorrectly..

For reference the complete Lumen eRIDE 900 SL comes in at around 15.5kg out of the box, excluding pedals.

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Suspension
Hidden inside the frame sits a remote controlled 3-position RockShox NUDE 5 RLC3 rear shock from a Scott Spark RC, which I replaced the stock Fox shock with due to its slightly lower weight. The Fox comes with a bigger air chamber and is more trail oriented, making it the logical choice for the stock Lumen, but the RockShox is still a very good performing shock. And saving close to 40g it made sense for this special project.

Up front you find an Intend Samurai TR 130mm fork. At 1537g it is as far as I know the lightest 130mm fork currently on the market, but there is a lot more to it than just low weight.

Intend is a small company out of Germany, and was for a long time run as a one-man show by the founder Cornelius Kapfinger. From the very beginning, upside-down forks were the main product because he was a firm believer in the benefits they offer.

One of these benefits is actually especially suitable for e-bikes which tend to be heavier and see higher loads than normal bikes: the crown section which becomes super strong thanks to its bigger proportions. So while the Samurai is marketed as a XC/Trail fork it has been tested to way tougher standards. Other benefits of such a fork design is for example great lubrication, lower unsprung mass and less binding during heavy compressions.

As for upside-down forks having a bit more wheel flex than conventional forks, well, this is where it comes down to personal preference. As for myself, I think it’s a good thing for performance in many situations. That tiny bit of flex allows the front wheel to track and follow the terrain better, meaning there’s less risk of deflection getting pushed off from rocks and roots. This results in better grip and a smoother ride with less arm pump.

On the other hand, if you want an ultra stiff bike or if you’re a heavy rider who loves nothing better than pushing berms in the bike park, then maybe they’re not for you. Once again, if you’re building a custom bike for yourself you should optimize it for your riding and enjoyment.

The TR version comes with Intend’s own cartridge, not featuring any lockout or remote. To save a couple of grams it's been equipped with HOPP Carbon cable guides.

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Drive Unit
Now we’re really getting to the heart of the bike - the TQ HPR50 drive unit system.

To my big luck I was able to work closely with the incredibly passionate team at TQ for this project, resulting in a super light one-off setup with zero compromise in performance.

But let’s start with the already impressive stock HPR50 since it’s such a crucial part of the Lumen .As the name suggests, the drive unit has a 50Nm max torque which is more than enough for a lot of riders and types of riding. It has a very smooth and nice power delivery, but what’s really cool is how silent it is and how little you notice it with the assistance turned off. You can barely hear it at all even at max output, and you’d have a hard time in a blind test to tell that it’s there when riding above the max assisted speed or with the system turned off. It comes with a 360Wh battery hidden inside the down tube, with an optional bottle-style 160Wh range extender. The system can of course be configured and personalized via the TQ app.

The TQ HPR50 already is one of the most compact and lightweight drive unit systems on the market, so how do you improve what’s already great? This is where the TQ team came in, with a bit of help from CeramicSpeed and METI.

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First of all, the bike was upgraded with a lighter than stock main cable. Then the truly next level tuning began.

As a R&D project TQ set out to make a one-off carbon fiber housing for the internal battery, complete with proper shielding and so on. The result is a battery that keeps its 360Wh capacity but weighs 206g less. A prime example of the best kind of weight saving, where you lose zero performance. As a bonus it also looks absolutely beautiful, and it’s quite the shame to hide it away inside the frame.

The HPR50 drive unit also got to see some prototype one-off tuning, with all the bearings being replaced with CeramicSpeed bearings special to this project. Not only does it slightly help with efficiency and making the bike feel even more like a regular bike, but it also saves a whopping 40g.

Finally, the Italian titanium expert METI manufactured custom hollow titanium mounting bolts for it. Almost half the weight of the stock steel bolts, with 32g versus 63g.

All in all the tuned TQ HPR50 system on this bike comes in at 3783g, with an additional 26g for the remote.

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Drivetrain and Shifting
Another area where I knew there was weight to be saved, was the drivetrain. Early on I decided to go for 11-speed, as it’s lightweight and in my own opinion plenty of gears considering it’s an e-bike. My original idea was to use a carbon-tuned mechanical derailleur since it would be the absolutely lightest, but as it felt a bit outdated for such a modern bike I started looking into an electronic solution.

This led me to come up with a very unique, and quite experimental, derailleur setup. In essence it is two different derailleurs combined into one.

The main base is a SRAM RED AXS XPLR 12-speed derailleur. This is where the parallelogram comes from, as well as the ”b-knuckle”, which is the part that bolts onto the hanger and the length of this is part of what decides who big of a cassette the derailleur can handle. In this case it has a 10-44T maximum cassette range capacity.

But how to make it 11-speed? This is where it became really tricky, as I didn’t just want to mechanically limit a 12-speed derailleur and risk damage down the road.

The solution came to use a ”p-knuckle,” which is the black composite part housing the electronics and clutch system, from the updated SRAM RED eTap 11-speed road derailleur. It got a complete overhaul a couple of years ago, and now features the same outer dimensions and Orbital Clutch system as the 12-speed XPLR. But the internals are what makes it 11-speed.

So I simply (ahem…) took both derailleurs apart and made one unique wide range 11-speed derailleur out of them to use on this bike. And in the process I gave it a brushed look and a bit of Dremel action.

It has to be stated that while I got it to work on my own bike, it is highly experimental and of course warranty voiding custom setup. Everything fits together perfectly as such, but if I’ve done my homework correctly there’s an ever so small difference in cassette spacing between the two systems. This could result in setup issues and possibly shortened drivetrain wear life.

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If you’re a real tech nerd you’re probably asking yourself by now: How did he get an eTap derailleur system to shift on a flat bar mountain bike? Luckily for me these eTap derailleurs became compatible with the latest AXS road shifters and more importantly, the latest SRAM AXS BlipBox, during this product update.

So for shifting I’m running a Zirbel Twister WE05 controller which is plug-and-play with the BlipBox. These super cool little controllers come in several versions, and despite their minimalistic look they’re actually incredibly ergonomic and easy to use out on the trails. The shifter ring rotates on a bearing, and the click mechanism is small but strong magnets. This gives the Twisters a bit more ”travel” compared to other electronic controllers, making the action very distinct while still feeling more natural like traditional mechanical shifters.

The SRAM BlipBox itself is then hidden inside the frame, just behind the steerer tube, wrapped in foam to keep things nice and silent.

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The cassette is another somewhat experimental part, as it’s an early production sample from an Asian brand called SixWheel. They are currently reworking their catalogue with updated designs and sizings, so I won’t go too much in depth at this point. But shifting is smooth, it’s a high-end and definitely expensive product and it’s also incredibly light. The chain is a PYC 1101 SL.


At the front there’s the super light e*thirteen e*spec Race Carbon crank arms in 170mm length. These where also stripped from paint, revealing a beautiful and super cool looking 3k carbon weave finish and brought the weight down to 328g

The chainring is another prototype part. Having used Garbaruk chainrings for many years now with great results, I reached out to them to check if it would be possible to make a TQ compatible direct mount chainring for this bike. To no big surprise, they came back with an absolutely beautiful chainring that is half the weight of the standard spider setup.

If you take a closer look you’ll see that the spokes actually become the wide teeth, meaning that every size features a different number of spokes. You’ll see more of this design in the future as the plan is to offer it for their own cranksets, but I sure hope that e-bike versions will hit the market as well.

When going for the absolutely lowest weight, few pedals can beat the tried and tested CrankBrothers Eggbeater 11 Ti SL which is what I’m using for this XC version of the bike.

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Wheels and Tires
At just 945g these Pi Rope wheels featuring Duke rims and Nonplus hubs are not your ordinary e-bike wheels.

As the name suggests, Pi Rope doesn’t build their wheels with conventional steel spokes but as a system with synthetic fiber rope spokes. Holding one of these spokes in your hand feels completely surreal, as they feel just like any super light string and you literally can tie a knot with one. At the same time these Vectran fiber spokes have a higher tensile strength than a normal steel spoke.

The hubs are another German creation, from the rather new brand Nonplus. Not only are they some of the lightest hubs on the market in general, but their unique freewheel mechanism featuring a ratchet system with a much bigger than normal contact surface area makes them the lightest you can get for an e-bike.

The Pi Rope version features a special spoke drilling, but for comparison their traditional J-bend spoke hubs weighs just 167g and 86g respectively. This is a 50g or more weight reduction on the rear hub alone compared to most other hubs out there.

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To complete the wheels you find the DUKE Lucky Jack SLS4 Ultra 28 rims. This is the fourth lightweight generation of the French brands XC oriented rim, and Ultra means that it’s the lightest version offered. The non-Ultra rims tip the scales a few grams heavier but on the other hand comes with a higher 110kg max system weight limit.

28 means that it’s the 28mm inner rim width version, which is a bit lighter than the 30mm Lucky Jack’s. Personally I don’t mind the slightly narrower width, in fact I think there’s a lot to this discussion. For example I like riding my downhill bike with 25mm inner width rims just because of the feeling you get out of the bike, but once again these things come down to personal preference.

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For tires I went with the Kenda Rush Pro TR in 2.4” width. Some of you might be surprised to see Kenda tires on one of the most high-end bikes ever, but the brand has truly stepped it up in recent years and now offer some very interesting thread patterns in various casings.

The Rush is the all-round XC tire with low rolling resistance combined with decent size side lugs for cornering grip, and the weight is an impressive 620g. I also have an optional Kenda Karma 2 with a grippier thread pattern to use as front tire, and in case you’re heading into particularly rough terrain these tires also come in a reinforced SCT casing version.

The bike is mainly setup tubeless with Syncros Eco Sealant, which I’ve had good luck with in the past. But if you truly want to count grams I also have some Revoloop Ultra MTB tubes for it, which actually puts the total weight of the bike down to 12,85kg. These are not just incredibly light but also super compact making them the perfect spare tube to bring on your ride.

But sometimes, for example when having big training blocks of riding in easier terrain, I still use tubes on my XC and gravel bikes and then these are a great choice.

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Brakes
The world’s lightest e-bike of course needs the world’s lightest brakes, which are the Trickstuff Piccola Carbon. But the best part with these, along with the amazingly smooth and nice lever feel, is that they’re also some of the more powerful 2-piston brakes available. Having the lowest weight while maintaining top performance is a rare feat, and as a bonus the fully machined design is very beautiful as well.

One interesting detail is the Flat Mount front C22 caliper, made possible for MTB use thanks to the Intend fork. It gives a very clean look, and is ever so slightly lighter.

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Italian brand Carbon-Ti makes the truly unique brake discs, called X-Rotor SteelCarbon which I run in 180mm front and rear size. Another fantastic looking component, that I’ve in fact been dreaming about getting for years.

The carbon fiber carrier is of course super light, meaning that you can have more material in the steel braking surface than on an equivalent weight traditional brake disc.

On the XC version of the bike I’m running the 2nd generation of these, installed with Carbon-Ti titanium bolts. The Trail version features the 3rd and latest, just released, generation which has seen some small changes. There has been some optimizing of the design, as well as the discs getting rounded edges on the steel section. They are also now available with center lock adapters, which is why you also see them on Syncros wheels equipped trail version of the bike.

If you’re worried about seeing carbon parts in a brake system, these discs are actually very well proven and also being raced at the highest level in for example Tour de France seeing riders hit 100km/h before slamming on the brakes.

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Cockpit
Starting with the headset I’m running the standard Syncros cups, but with a CeramicSpeed SLT upper headset bearing. SLT is short for Solid Lubrication Technology, meaning that there’s no traditional grease inside the bearing but a solid plastic polymer filling. This means that there’s no grease that can get pushed away or dry out, and as such no dirt can enter. While you might assume that these are ceramic bearings, they’re actually fully made from stainless steel as they deemed it best in this application. All in all it should offer a very long and essentially service free bearing life.

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The lower bearing has been changed to an Extralite UltraBottom bearing kit which saves weight.

On top there’s a Darimo Epsilon one-piece handlebar unit in 740mm width and 70mm stem length weighing a mere 174g. Made in Spain, these are some of the lightest handlebar setups you can get.
While they’re offered in numerous stem lengths and angles, the really cool thing is that anyone can custom order these to suit their own preferences. Want the lightest possible? No problem. Reinforced for a heavy rider? You got it.

They’ll make a custom carbon layup depending on the customers needs, which is a rare and really nice service to see.

The very light and very cool looking top cap is actually the first look at my Dangerholm Signature top cap from German CNC-experts RadoxX. It weighs just 4g partly thanks to a hollow special made bolt, so keep an eye out for more on this and many other special parts to follow.

Grips are Extralite HyperGrips which weigh just 11,8g including the end plugs and are glued on (wooden glue or hairspray from my punk hair style days…) to stay in place.

The rear shock remote on the left side of the handlebar is a customized Scott Twinloc.

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Seat Post Combo
Up top there’s a MCFK full carbon fiber saddle in 130mm width. This is actually one of my all time favorites and I first used it back in 2017. While you might think that such a saddle is very uncomfortable and like sitting on a rock, this couldn’t be further from the truth.

The thin carbon fiber saddle shell actually offers a lot of flex, much like an old-school leather saddle, and you can easily press it down using your thumbs to test it. Another benefit is that the carbon surface means that your bibs or shorts will slide on the saddle when pedaling, rather than creating friction and possibly chafing your body.

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The seat post comes from Swiss YEP Components and is called Podio featuring an 80mm drop. This can be shortened so the weight usually varies between around 320-340g depending on your setup, making it one of the lightest on the market. The dropper action is extremely smooth and easily actuated, and you can easily disconnect the cable interface from the seat post if you for example need to remove it when traveling.

A small but impressive detail is the SUB4 seat clamp from Darimo. As minimalistic as it gets, it weighs less than 4g and still allows for 5Nm of bolt torque.


To finish the build kit there’s a bottle cage from CarbonWorks. Thanks to the clever design with hollow carbon fiber tubes, which has a rubber coating to combat abrasion wear, it weighs just 9,6g including the bolts.

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Scott Lumen eRIDE 900 SL XC version - 12.90kg / 28.44lbs

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The Trail Version
As mentioned earlier I also decided to build a more capable and fun oriented trail or downcountry version of the bike. While the crazy light XC spec for sure feels like a rocket, it makes a lot of sense to go for a more all-round build on an e-bike. But of course the goal was still to keep weight to a minimum, and the result is a 13,94-14,04kg trail bike depending on tire setup.

The changes are the following:

Wheelset:
At 1256g the Syncros Silverton SL wheels are still featherweights but at the same time surprisingly strong and durable. The full carbon construction, with carbon spokes where the fibers go from one side of the rim all the way over to the other, makes them very unique wheels for a mountain bike.

The rims, spokes and hub flanges are molded in a single step with the hub section then inserted which creates tension in the spokes. Their stiffness and centered weight makes them extremely responsive and fun to ride.

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Tires:
I have two main tire setups for this spec.
First is the Schwalbe Wicked Will in 2.4” width as you see pictured. To be honest it’s partially because they look amazing against the raw carbon fiber with their skinwall style, but they’re also reasonably light and very good riding tires. Especially with the soft compound version up front.

Then there’s the Kenda Karma 2 2.4” in SCT casing. These have in my opinion a very good all-round thread pattern, the SCT casing provides a lot of durability and as a bonus they’re slightly lighter as well bringing the weight down to 13.94kg.

Both are setup tubeless with Syncros Eco Sealant.

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Cockpit
To have more fun on the downhills and a more relaxed position on the bike, I wanted a slightly shorter, taller and wider handlebar setup.

The handlebar is a MCFK 10mm riser in 760mm width. This XC and Trail focused handlebar comes in a beautiful weave finish and is also offered in various flat as well as 20mm and 30mm rise options.

The stem is the Extralite HyperStem in 60mm length and a 6 degree positive angle. The complete combo weighs 186.7g.

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Drivetrain
To provide a better and more confidence inspiring riding experience I’m running Xpedo Baldwin pedals, which have a more distinct clip-in mechanism and of course offer more support than the Eggbeaters. At 358g they’re still quite light, and I also have a set of Crankbrothers Mallet E 11 Ti which actually are a little bit lighter while having an even bigger platform.

I’m currently running this setup with the slightly heavier but well proven 11-speed SRAM XX1 10-42T cassette.

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Seat post
80mm drop is on the shorter end of the spectrum, so for the trail version I installed a 150mm Fox Transfer SL. Having just two fixed positions it’s a bit different compared to most other dropper seat posts, but it works very well.

We’ll see however in the future if I’ll take the weight penalty and choose to run a regular Transfer in 175mm just to get a bit more drop and the option to run the seat slightly lowered when pedaling very technical terrain.

Scott Lumen eRIDE 900 SL Trail version - 13.93-14.04kg / 30.75-30.95lbs

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Specs and Weights

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Summary
In the end this build exceeded my already high expectations, both in the weights that were achieved and also in how incredibly fun this bike is to ride. A cool bonus was that the bike actually feels even lighter than it already is. The bulk of it is of course the drive unit and battery, but with this being placed low and centrally it is in the best possible place. That becomes even more noticeable, in a positive way, together with the lightweight cockpit and seat combo and when adding a light and responsive wheel wet you end up with one great feeling bike.

It feels so much like a regular bike and I dare say that many would have a hard time, if not impossible, to tell that it’s an e-bike when riding it without the assistance. And this was also a big goal with the project, taking that aspect to the next level. To show that an e-bike doesn’t have to be ”unrideable” if you run out of battery, and that you can even do full rides with the system turned off. Then at the push of a button you have the assistance whenever you want to use it and for whatever reason.

Sure at this point this is a custom built one-off bike, but I’m guessing that in the future we’ll see one category of e-bikes going far into this direction. And by the way, the incredible TQ HPR50 drive unit already offers this experience to a big extent which I’m sure riders on stock Scott Lumen and other bikes are enjoying already as I write this. As for myself I was truly amazed how much help you get out of ”just” 50Nm, and I’d say this is more than enough for plenty of riders.

All in all, my SCOTT Lumen eRIDE 900 SL ended up being a thing of dreams. So is the stock model, but this build takes something already great and pushes it beyond what you expect. And if I may say so myself, the trail version especially is one very good looking bike…

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139 Comments
  • 286 2
 Too much scrolling before the shorts pic. You had me worried.
  • 40 0
 Danger knows exactly what we look for and how to tease us to the point of concern. Big Grin
  • 15 0
 I figured if I kept scrolling down I'd eventually get to the legs part
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flag sloguy (Jul 27, 2023 at 9:40) (Below Threshold)
 After dropping all the $$ on this bike I guess Dangerholm couldn't afford his own pair of jorts and had to borrow a pair from his little sister. Smile In all seriousness PB, do we really need to see another pic of this dude in daisy dukes for cry'n out loud!?!
  • 59 5
 @sloguy: yes, we do.
  • 29 6
 @sloguy: yes. Yes we do
  • 24 4
 @sloguy: Based on the replies above, I'm going to go with "Yes"
  • 8 0
 They have oodles of power and can take the abuse, but are remarkably light and efficient
  • 11 100
flag sloguy (Jul 27, 2023 at 11:49) (Below Threshold)
 11 down votes?? You ppl really enjoy looking at some euro dude with a horrible haircut in jorts that barely cover his euro junk?? What am I not understanding.....
  • 38 1
 @sloguy: You're not understanding Dangerholm.
  • 33 3
 @sloguy: if that makes you uncomfortable you're either a) poppin' half mast chub and are in denial about why that's occurring- just go with it man! or b) a fun sponge looking for some fun to mop up from others
  • 1 0
 @GBangShredder: Big Grin Perfect anaology
  • 8 0
 Has he also drawn a beard on himself with permanent marker
  • 31 0
 @enduroNZ: Marker beards weigh less than real beards.
  • 1 0
 @kungfupanda: and more black,to match the raw carbon
  • 1 0
 it’s barbie shorts !!!!!!!
  • 105 0
 It’s quite the achievement to get an e-bike to weigh less than your quads
  • 25 0
 Don't objectify them! They have names; Hans and Franz.
  • 52 1
 Say what you like about the batteries, cable tourism, and weird-looking blipbox thingy, but the level of engineering here is amazing.

@dangerholm what do you see in your crystal ball as 'the next big change'?
  • 11 0
 integrated rider is my guess
  • 45 0
 Thanks!
It's difficult to say, I think that what's holding e-bikes back a bit at the moment really is the battery technology. The day we can have 750-1250Wh in a small size will be a real game changer, because the drive units are already pretty good. I mean the TQ for example really is cool being so silent and compact.

Other than that I think we'll simply see even more (but hopefully well thought out) integration and sleek designs, despite what the comment sections say. There will for sure be brands trying to balance that, just like how vinyl sales actually increased when streaming blew up. It would be nice to have droppers running on the main battery too.

Once e-racing stuff grows and becomes more established I'm sure that categories of e-bikes will become a bit more clear as well, as in lightweight or enduro and so on. Now it's more like "It's an eMTB. Period." haha.
  • 4 3
 @waldo-jpg: tesla autopilot, then we can all eat burgers whilst our bike cruises laps for us. All the gain none of the work, I wonder if strava set KOM feature will be an added extra though.
  • 1 0
 @waldo-jpg: rider is inside a giant hamsterball
  • 2 1
 @dangerholm: same with cars - my EV VW ID.3 weights 1700kg - comparable Golf 1300-1350.
  • 3 0
 @dangerholm: Glad you mentioned racing as part of the technology development equation. Do you think that removable batteries are here to stay? It seems to make much more sense for the EWS-E races, being able to just swap a battery in the pits between stages Similarly, on light eebs, it seems like it's worth the sacrifice bit of weight for being able to swap out a battery at the truck between laps. Range extenders make the bike even heavier and don't even double your range. Why not make a bike with a removable battery that's also range extender compatible?
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 @dangerholm: TQ with a 1kWh drivetrain on a 180mm+ dual crown is what I'm waiting for. It's essentially a mini motocross bike that can take me up and across terrain I couldn't do on my current trail bike.
  • 1 0
 @succulentsausage: I would hope that they would mandate using 1 battery like they do with wheels otherwise it becomes too expensive for the average rider, battery's are near £1000. If they don't put in rules early on the already expensive endeavor becomes just unobtainable
  • 2 0
 Solid state batteries. Stromer bikes just unveiled the first one. Every EMTB battery is now obsolete.
interestingengineering.com/innovation/stromer-solid-state-ceramic-battery-e-bike
  • 2 0
 @Glory831Guy:
Not yet. It says at the end of the article:
"Before you get your hopes high about traveling cross country on battery power, some realism. The technology is still in development, and might take a few years before it can be made cost-effective to be used at scale.

Stromer's e-bike prices aren't easy on the pocket, but you can gauge how expensive solid-state battery is that the company is not producing yet. Also, there is the issue of ensuring the delivery of high capacity. What's the use of a battery pack that charges in 10 minutes but does not travel above 30 miles?"
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 @northboy: Either way, I wouldn't drop 10K on an e bike right now when Toyota and Hyundai are set to start using solid state batteries in the next couple of years. Once the car industry starts using them, the prices will drop massively. The weight decrease they offer will without a doubt be the next big change for e bikes.
  • 1 0
 @northboy: also I was just responding to the OP's question of "what's the next big thing?"
  • 52 2
 I LOVE DANGERHOLM POSTS
  • 21 1
 Haha thanks man, appreciate it!
  • 30 1
 "For reference the complete Lumen eRIDE 900 SL comes in at around 155kg out of the box, excluding pedals."

I always knew E-bikes were heavy, but damn!
  • 39 0
 Which means that this is my best work yet! Incredible weight savings if I may say so myself.
  • 18 1
 That's gorgeous. I hate it.
  • 18 3
 Turns out you can still have great thighs on an ebike.
  • 12 1
 Cool (as always) but using smaller batteries is kind of a workaround to lightest Ebike isn't it? I almost think it should be power/weight ratio or something along those lines. I could take a 15 lb XC bike and put on one of those water bottle batteries and a wheel motor conversion and be much lighter than this and would technically be an "Ebike".

This is the lightest until somebody comes out with a 250wh battery lightweight bike....then 225, then 200.....

I honestly would be more impressed (and interested) in the lightest 720+wh battery bike, I think those are more in-line with most folks use-case.
  • 15 0
 I definitely get your point, there are many factors one could consider when it comes to what's fair to compare. My thought with this one is that the TQ-HPR50 is a very well established system that is widely accepted and use by several of the biggest bike brands out there. Also this 360Wh battery actually is the big one, since Rotwild have a 250Wh TQ battery in one of their bikes. I can't remember the weight of it as I'm writing this, but at least there's also a 160Wh range extender for this bike which brings the capacity up and it would still be a pretty light bike. But for sure, battery technology is what will be the real game changer for e-bikes. Hopefully there will be some leap in the coming years, so that we can have 750-1000Wh in the size of this bike.
  • 1 0
 @dangerholm: 100% - there must be a trade-off too, lighter bikes need smaller batteries, not sure where the break even point is.
  • 3 0
 @RadBartTaylor: 2023 Orbea Rise M LTD with range extender is 792kWh and 20kgs
  • 18 7
 Here for it. My sweet spot for e-bike acceptance is when we can have full-power, long-range bikes under 35 pounds without any power lag at the pedals. When that happens, I'm in.
  • 14 2
 That and $20,000 and you should be able to buy one
  • 4 1
 @Three6ty: double that
  • 2 2
 Show me a carbon all mountain bike with a Lyrik or 36 on it and tires that won't get punctures every 5 minutes, that's under 35 pounds pls.
  • 3 1
 @succulentsausage: Ebike or Real Mountain Bike?
  • 1 0
 @succulentsausage: My 160/150 Norco is 31, I live in Moab and smash everything (not the bike though)

That's a 36 and 2.5 EXOs
  • 2 0
 @succulentsausage: Transition Sentinel with Fox36/EXT Storia and EXC1501 here. 30-32lbs total. 3 spare lbs for 38 fork, heavy DD tires, or something else
  • 1 0
 @succulentsausage: I have a megatower with a push shock and dd tires that fits the bill
  • 13 0
 Still waiting for legs day routine...
  • 4 1
 Step 1: ride an ebike
  • 2 0
 @mkul7r4: without assistance
  • 10 1
 I really wish Scott would give him an unpainted/primed version. That knife approach gives me the heebie jeebies
  • 19 1
 I really wish this too, because the work sucks and is stupidly time consuming haha. But we're working on making it happen for at least a few projects.
  • 1 0
 @dangerholm: If you had to take a wild guess, how many hours do you think it takes you to strip a frame like this these days?
  • 7 0
 I love Dangerholm builds. They really show how a lot of effort to make small gains in different areas adds up to a big result.
  • 7 0
 One thing always missing is the price. I am interested in what would it cost to recreate each of his projects. I know it is not practical, but still....
  • 1 0
 It's always good to have a reminder why I don't *really* need two kidneys.

Seeing the shiny bits and reading these articles is inspiring me to take a Dremel and do some tinkering on spare parts, though. It would be entertaining, to say the least, if I could make some super shiny Deore brake levers
  • 8 0
 He’s saving weight cutting them shorts into Daisy Dukes.
  • 5 1
 But what about all the e-rated shit they've selling is? Can't have an e-bike without e-rated saddles and pedals and such! It's against the rules! Kill it with water! (If it doesn't kill itself with fire. They do that sometimes.)
  • 6 0
 This "quadlifies" as an ebike I would like to own. Incredible craftsmanship here...
  • 4 0
 If this dude can get an e-bike to weigh 28 and a half pounds, I don’t thinks it’s a stretch to ask for an enduro bike under 35. C’mon, y’all.
  • 1 0
 I've gotten my Bold Linkin LT (150 travel) down to 26.6 pounds. It's definitely been a stretch to get it that low. Mostly stretching the wallet to its maximum. But it's a fun hobby. Rides awesome too! I just ordered the Kenda tires Dangerholm put on this bike. Lookin' forward to dropping another pound.
  • 2 0
 I dig this drivetrain, a lot. And I concur that a 12 speed drivetrain just isn't needed on an e-bike (or a trail bike really).

Sell us this drivetrain Dangerholm! I want one.
  • 10 0
 It will be really interesting to see how the Orbit Clutch on the derailleur performs on an MTB. It actually seems to be really good, but time will tell. As for the drivetrain, what I personally really would like to see is a RED XPLR cassette in 10-44 that is machined mono-block like XX1 cassettes. I fully understand that 12s is the standard these days, but man I have a hard time getting over having o run a 390g Force cassette if you've shelled out for a RED derailleur with some fancy and expensive carbon bits. Would make a lot more sense to just run a 300g cassette and a cheaper derailleur haha.
  • 1 0
 @dangerholm the real question is what would Pubes say about it? Also, given your new series of goggle removing videos, I think a JNCO removing video to reveal your daisy dukes is in order as well. Cheers to all the hard work, these builds are always so ridiculous and awesome! #WWBPD
  • 1 0
 Came here for the Dangerholm article (brilliant BTW) and stayed for the comments/replies. Excellent work every one.
Dangerholm's builds remind me of the Bugatti Veyrons and the like. "Ok engineers and designers, show us what you CAN do".
  • 2 0
 Is he rocking a t-shirt of him in jorts while rocking jorts? He must wear some supportive underpants to keep the bits from coming out the shorts.
  • 6 0
 To answer seriously, it’s a photo of Lemmy wearing shorts. For some reason, it always makes me feel better about the jorts knowing that he is seemingly paying homage to Lemmy by doing that. Haha
  • 12 0
 No shorts-ception, it's Lemmy Kilmister of Motörhead! While most people know him for his stage appearance in boots and tight black jeans, he was infamous for wearing shorts much smaller than mine. In the words of the man himself: "If they're not short, they're pants!"
  • 6 0
 @panthermodern: Sorry, I hadn't refreshed the page so missed your reply! Yes, they're 100% a homage to Lemmy. Or at least that's how it started, once you get used to them they're actually quite comfortable haha.
  • 4 0
 Totally nonsensical……need one
  • 2 0
 Gustav, I really appreciate all the informations about the parts you always put into your articles, your insight is incredible. Please stay being a freak, I love it.
  • 4 0
 Wow. That is all
  • 5 6
 A DIY e-bike story perfectly timed with this one:

www.bradfordera.com/fire-deaths-prompt-federal-review-of-e-bike-rules/video_cb22b85f-e223-52a0-905a-60c9225a71b9.html

Looks like a review of e-bike rules in the US at the federal level is taking place due to runaway fires and deaths.
  • 13 0
 To be fair most of these are cheap Chinese e bikes with cheap poorly assembled batteries that are basically pipe bombs waiting to happen.
  • 11 0
 While a lot on this bike is DIY, the R&D battery and drive unit tuning is completely done in-house by TQ to all necessary safety standards.
  • 4 3
 @dangerholm: It’s awesome that you have access to engineers and quality parts who can do that safety analysis for you. I am mostly venting my concern that the cheap ebike that eventually starts the fire that will burn down my house in the woods that I’m writing from won’t have access to your levels of quality without national standards. You can safely ignore my rants (-:
  • 7 0
 @Mtmw: Yeah I definitely get your point, just wanted to clarify for anyone else reading. Smile It will be interesting to see how batteries develop in the coming 5-20 years or so, hopefully we will get some generally safer more foolproof (and perhaps even more environmentally friendly) technology at some point.
  • 2 1
 @harryhood @mtmw - This. None of this is happening w/ actual mtn-bike brands, just the slave labor never-heard-of-it commuter and junk stuff that won't work for a year or two anyway.
  • 3 1
 @Mtmw: More than 100 fires and 13 deaths in NYC so far this year.

The fanbois write it off as only cheap Chinese junk, but the reality is that is 90% of the market. Regulation is definitely coming and it's vitally needed.

I predict future building codes will mandate concrete charging vaults in new construction. No matter the quality of the battery/charger, any lithium ion battery can have problems, and when they do the resulting explosion and extremely difficult to extinguish fire are very difficult for fire departments to deal with.

It's already not recommended to charge electric cars inside your garage, these aren't inexpensive hoverboards, they're $60,000 vehicles.

I'm not railing against electric vehicles, but denying the problems with them won't make those problems go away.
  • 2 0
 I wonder if he drives a Corvette - swap those sneaks for some New Balance and the outfit is already sorted!
  • 3 0
 Why not cut all the knobs off the tires to save even more weight?
  • 1 0
 All that nice work and then slaps some e*thirteen cranks on there. They're like one level above Praxis in the "How many of these have I seen snapped" dept.
  • 2 0
 Imagine how light they would be with the ends snapped off!!
  • 1 0
 @dangerholm - hats off to you sir! While I am far from a weight weenie, this is the most practical application I think you've done so far. One hell of a bike.
  • 1 0
 What's most impressive here is this guy's ankle weight reduction protocol. He's leaned out all unnecessary weight from those magnificent legs.
  • 3 0
 Great builds and a superbly written piece. Thanks Dangerholm.
  • 2 0
 And the weight limit for the Trail Version would be??? Probably not my 95kg. It sucks to be tall AND old…
  • 1 0
 With his skill and his name, Dangerholm would be one of the rare individuals like Zlatan who could get away with referring to himself in the third person.
  • 1 0
 yeah, but how much do the Janco riding pants weigh???

(y'all will just have to go look at bicyclepube's post to get this joke...)
  • 2 0
 I need a tutorial for the paint removing part Smile Raw Carbon should always be a color option for every new bike coming out.
  • 3 2
 The MTB equivalent of a painting that has some scribbles and costs $x.x million
  • 2 0
 Those Syncros wheels are wild.
  • 2 0
 Carbon saddle makes me shudder
  • 3 2
 This E-Bike weighs less than my acoustic hardtail. Very impressive build, as always.
  • 2 0
 Overdone, although I suppose that's the point
  • 2 0
 Would have been lighter without headset cable routing Wink
  • 2 0
 I like your t-shirt Dangerholm!!!

Is that Cindy Crawford?!?!?
  • 2 0
 Hahaha literally had me laughing out loud at that. Now I'll never be able to look at that shirt without seeing a mix of Lemmy and Cindy Crawford if I squint my eyes.
  • 2 0
 Hey Scott. 99.9% of us DO NOT like the bar/stem combo.
  • 2 0
 Can this be purchased? Asking for Jeff Bezos
  • 1 0
 "Well, he can just buy S brand and call it a day", leg shot as always cherry on top
  • 2 4
 He says the Wicked Will is a very good riding tire, especially with the soft compound version up front, but in the pictures he rides the softer compound in the back and the hard in the front.
  • 1 0
 Looks like a SpeedGrip on the back (blue) and Soft on the front (orange).
  • 4 0
 The orange label (front tire) is the soft one. Blue is Speedgrip.
  • 2 0
 @CrunchBytes
@dangerholm: Thought it was the red label (addix Speed). My bad!
  • 1 0
 Jorts are so hot right now! Dangerholm is such a trend setter!
  • 3 1
 More like e weenie-ism.
  • 1 0
 I love a good challenge. Well done.
  • 1 0
 (In a Cheech & Chong voice) Danger' holms that's light!
  • 1 0
 I can imagine riding this e-bike
  • 1 0
 Drillium is still the way to go and much cheaper.
  • 1 0
 Ah, way back in 2015 I remember it like it was yesterday.
  • 2 1
 I´ve been waiting and asking you for this one! Finallyyy. Love it!
  • 1 0
 Woah. That is featherweight.
  • 1 0
 I love nerding out on these
  • 1 0
 That thing looks unreal, good stuff .
  • 1 0
 Those famous quads will be no more if you only ride these ebikes
  • 2 0
 My cat is heavier ^.|.^
  • 2 3
 Having legs the size of dangerholm is just about the only thing that makes the look an e-bikes massive downtube tolerable.
  • 2 2
 Meh, give me a 15-20kg 180mm travel bike with no obnoxious shock location
  • 1 0
 Thicc thighs
  • 1 2
 The water bottle cage would be better , stronger and lighter, if it was made of titanium tubing. Would be more cool too.
  • 1 1
 A vanity project in every sense of the word.
  • 1 2
 Ti is lighter for u carbon fiber wussies
  • 3 0
 Damn bro, you’re so hard.
  • 1 1
 This kid... Bruh
  • 4 7
 "people that ride ebikes are tools"..did I read that right

..hahaha..so true.
  • 3 4
 Yeah...ya know, Peaty's & Bryceland are obviously douches on their ebikes. Fabia Barel & Niko Vouilloz - pure chumps. All the pros training with them - they suck.

Adaptive riders with their motors ...whatever - and not even two but THREE wheels. That's not a bike! And guys like my dad (and prob 100's of our parents here) witih heart / physical conditions... still out there chugging and couldn't keep up w/o an ebike. They should be banned from biking entirely - if ya can't handle it, stay off your "bike".

But I'm glad we have you to let us know who's a douche & who's not on Pinkbike because of their bicycle. Remember - with your logic its only landlines or cellphones, acoustic vs. electric guitars and horses vs. cars so take your pick. Life is serious.
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