Bike Check: Greg Williamson's Commencal Supreme

Mar 31, 2020
by Ross Bell  



After two seasons on his own program with Unno, Greg Williamson has moved onto pastures new with the Commencal 100% team alongside flamboyant Frenchies Thomas Estaque and Hugo Frixtalon. A strong end to the 2019 season left Greg with several offers to choose from but after trying the different bikes on offer, it was the Commencal that took his fancy. By his own admission, Greg is at a point in his career where he can't afford to have any compromises and simply wants a bike with the right components alongside the right team environment to allow him to perform to his best ability. His sights are firmly set on ticking off that long overdue podium.

With the move, Greg has swapped from the carbon Unno Ever to the alloy Commencal Supreme but alongside the new frame there's plenty of component changes too. Perhaps the biggest and most fundamental for Greg was getting back on a Fox fork, which he says offers him reliability and peace of mind more than anything else. Aside from suspension, he's swapped a Renthal cockpit for Race Face, Formula brakes for TRP (as well as the drivetrain) and Crankbrothers wheels for e*thirteen. Conveniently though, a lot of his contact points have remained the same with Odi grips, Crankbrothers Mallet pedals, Maxxis Tires, and e*thirteen cranks carrying over from the previous two seasons.

Greg has moved from a mullet setup on the Unno to a 29” wheel front and rear on the Commencal, something he found to be one of the biggest changes. After a winter testing session in France he opted to run the large frame having done back to back tests with an extra-large frame, citing the sizing on this year's large Supreme as the perfect fit for him standing bang on 6ft tall. We spotted the Commencal teams experimenting a lot with different shock positions last season and it looks like a more refined version has come to this year's bike with 2 different options to choose from, a more linear setting and a more progressive setting. The Commencal 100% team had been testing in Portugal in the run-up to the start of the season meaning the bike in its current guise would have been Lousa spec if that first World Cup had gone ahead. Hopefully, it won't be too long before we see it in action...

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Details
Height 6ft / 183cm
Weight 89kg
Hometown Inverness, Scotland
Model Commencal Supreme
Frame Size Large
Wheel Size 29"
Suspension Fox Prototype
Drivetrain & Brakes TRP / e*thirteen
Cockpit Race Face
Wheels & Rubber e*thirteen & Maxxis

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Greg has opted to run a size large Supreme with 29" wheels for the 2020 season after switching between a large and an extra-large frame over the winter.

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The 2020 Supreme may share a similar silhouette to last year but the frame has seen a raft of updates including geometry, suspension kinematics, idler positioning, and to the stiffness/flex characteristics. A massive and noticeable step forward according to Greg.

A big team change over the winter with plenty to get used to, how was that transition?


It was actually super easy. I'm happy with how it's gone and it almost feels like I'd been on the team before, the guys are so easy to get on with. Through the testing we've been doing it's given me confidence having fast teammates that are a good benchmark to measure your performance against which I'm excited about as it'll help push us all to another level.

Were you testing and experimenting with a few different frame sizes?


I was in between an extra large and a large. I settled with the large as the new bike is a little bigger than last year's large and it seemed to fit perfectly. It's a longer reach than last year and a shorter rear end, they are going higher in the bottom bracket again, and steeper in the head angle but longer in the top tube so you are getting that pressure on the front wheel, which is good, and also standing a bit taller. Where they've put the idler position now, it drives so well... I felt before you lost a little power pedalling and with flex as well, now it's instant and efficient. It's so efficient in pedalling compared to the old bike.

How did that compare to the Unno you were on size wise?


It's a lot different just having 29” wheels front and rear, it's a totally different bike really. Even to the bike they'd sent me initially which was last year's race bike, when compared to this year's it was night and day different. I tried a lot of different bikes over the winter just to see what was on the market nowadays, I really wanted to just get an idea. I was talking with other teams as well so it was good to have that idea, once I got on the Commencal I knew I'd made the right decision.

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The latest generation of FOX 40s in the wild. Still no details from FOX and the racers are keeping tight-lipped too.

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The most obvious changes to the eye look to be updated lowers, particularly around the arch. The bleed valve looks to have been given a refresh too. We'll have to wait for more details to discover what's going on in the internals.

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The new shocks started appearing on bikes towards the end of last season but again, Fox and their athletes are not saying anything about them. Greg has tried both air and coil and although both feel good, he finds himself coming back to air time and time again.
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The 2020 Supreme has 2 options on shock positioning, a more linear and a more progressive option. Greg has gone for the more progressive setting, for now, saying "I really like the feeling off the top where it's more supple and ramps up."

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The new X2 looks markedly different from its predecessor. The high-speed rebound dial has been moved to the bottom of the shock.

So you'd tried a few different bikes over the winter and wanted to find the product that was best for you?


Yeah definitely. I had some attractive offers from other teams but for me, at this stage in my career, I just wanted to be on a bike that I knew was proven and to be on a team that could provide everything I needed so I didn't need to worry about any other factors.

It's obviously a super different bike to the Unno Ever you were on previously. How quickly did it take to get used to it?


I felt comfortable straight away. I got it right before I went to New Zealand and I planned just to ride downhill that whole month as I'd done a lot of training, I hadn't really stopped from last year leading into this year. I set off knowing the bikes were coming a little later so I got my body ready and started training pretty heavily early in the offseason. Then when I got the downhill bike I knew I needed to go somewhere decent like New Zealand, so booked that and a big thank you to Caledonian Escapes as they really helped to pull the trigger on that trip and I basically just rode every day. I think I put a race season's amount of riding in during my time there. I've heard the saying "10,000 hours of deliberate practice are needed to become world-class" so I was just trying to catch up as much as I could!

Did you follow any setup advice from Thomas and Hugo?


Yeah for sure, they've been on the bike for most of their career I think so they have got heaps of knowledge about the bike. I'll try anything they are trying as well because I know they've made the mistakes and are looking for that extra little bit. It's good to have teammates again... I missed that, just to ping ideas off and get up to speed with and talk about lines with. You're constantly learning from each other. I think it's really important to have that on a team just to get up to speed with and talk things through with. From spending last year on my own, you're just kinda left with your own thoughts a lot, and with running the team as well there was a lot of pressure to perform for sponsors. On top of that, there was the stress of a low budget so it just hits you all at once.

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Greg has swapped from a Rental cockpit to Race Face. His bars are 800mm in width, feature a 20mm rise and are anchored to a 50mm stem which has a deceiving amount of spacers below it according to Greg. He says it looks high but isn't actually anything out of the norm.

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Commencal 100% remain on TRP stoppers this season and Greg is a fan from what he's experienced so far.

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"I've got to had good feeling brakes with an even bite. I hate if it's off at all."

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The big 4 pot callipers are partnered to some monstrous 223mm rotors front and rear.

Did you notice a difference in terms of frame material?


Yeah for sure. I've literally gone from carbon to alloy to carbon to alloy on all the teams I've been with. I learned some really nifty things with Cube with how thin we could get the alloy to get the right amount of flex, pedal performance versus cornering, versus straight-line speed, versus stiffness and all of that. At first, I noticed a lot of weaknesses in the Commencal bike from last year, I had a list of things I wanted to improve but they'd already done it with this bike. It was pretty amazing to see that. A lot of Amaury's input had gone into making it a faster race bike so shout out to Amaury for making a good race bike and Commencal for listening.

You've got an option in shock positioning, what have you opted for?


There are two different shock mounts, a more linear one and a more progressive one. Just now I have it in the more progressive, I really like the feeling off the top where it's more supple and ramps up. It's just preference really. I'm running the air shock which is more what I'm used to more than anything. I've never actually had a coil shock that works as well as it does on this bike which is great, but whenever I do back to back the air shock comes out on top. Even if it's the same on numbers I'm more comfortable on the air.

Are you likely to play around with the shock position throughout the season?


There's definitely going to be some tracks where the more linear position is going to excel and it'll be interesting to try that on more tracks. Just now, with what I've tested, it's staying in that position.

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The TRP brakes are joined by the brand's shifter and mech. Odi grips have been a staple right through Greg's entire career so far.

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The alloy e*thirteen cranks and Crankbrothers' Mallet pedals are components that Greg has coincidently been able to carry over from his previous team.

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A Fizik saddle and Slicy DH mudguard are a couple of small details that complete the Commmencal 100% team bikes.

This was the bike you were testing in Lousa, so this would have been your setup for that first World Cup if it had gone ahead?


Yeah, it would pretty much been dialled in for that race track in Lousa, we even got a little time on the World Cup track after the race had been cancelled. I'll try to get along to Fort William and try it out on some longer, rougher, and faster courses. I'll definitely get a good feel for it there and it's a true test for your bike.

You'd been on Fox for a long time before Unno, how was that going back to their suspension?


I'd missed the fork. These things are so reliable it's crazy. Last time I was on Fox I went a whole year without changing them aside from an oil change or the dust seals. That reliability and peace of mind combined with the race support is invaluable.

Was that a big thing for you, even more so than maybe the bike itself, just getting a setup where there were no compromises in components?


For sure. The Commencal 100% Team have all the good components you want from a team so it's really easy for me to get on with the parts straight away there is very little that lets this bike down.

Can you tell us much about the new fork and shock? Where are your clicks sitting?


I can't really say for now...

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Carbon is the weapon of choice in the rim department from e*13. Greg prefers the rolling and ride characteristics of carbon to the alloy option.

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Maxxis rubber is a familiar contact point for Greg. His current choice of an Assegai on the front with 24PSI and a Minion DHR II on the rear with 26PSI would've been what he'd run at WC #1 in Lousa after testing there in the run-up to the cancelled race.

More generally about suspension setup, is it set up pretty neutral or do you like it to sit into its travel more on the rear?


I like to sit into the travel on the back and have a fairly hard front end, that's just how I ride. I have fairly long legs so I just like to sort of be level on the bike, I don't know how to explain it but I'll soften up the rear a little bit as I like to feel in a pretty neutral position on the bike.

Can you run us through your cockpit setup?


The stack height looks high but it's actually quite low. I'm running the 20mm rise bars at 800mm and the stem is 50mm. It remains the same throughout the season, I don't really change much. I might add a spacer underneath the stem on steeper tracks but I'd actually tend to play more with sliding the stanchions through the crowns.

Does not changing much through the season hold true throughout the bike?


It's funny how you go on trends or something that's worked towards a good result but I've always had my best results when I've got straight into it at the weekend and hit the ground running and got stuck into timed training, not really going to see the Fox guys too much and fiddling with your suspension. Just running what you have got, maybe messing with pressure and getting the balance right. But last year I didn't change my setting at all on any of the tracks, I might have changed from coil to air but I didn't actually change my settings at all on them. It's pretty cool to be that comfortable and it does help a lot in some cases. It does help as it's one less thing to worry about and you know how the bike is going to react. It might sound a bit silly because why wouldn't you want to explore and see if you could find a little more performance? But I think a lot of riders overthink it, myself included...

A change in brakes from Formula to TRP as well...


They've changed a little for this year too, they're way more powerful and have a nice new lever which is a bit thinner. It's one of your main contact points so it's good to have a nice feeling brake and power you trust with the 223mm rotors. I've got to had good feeling brakes with an even bite. I hate if it's off at all.

You're running e*thirteen carbon wheels, do you have the option to run alloy wheels?


Yeah but these carbon wheels are solid from what I've heard from the team and from riding in New Zealand, I haven't broken one yet. Carbon wheels roll so well and have such good feel.

What's your go-to tire setup?


I've got the Maxxis Assegai on the front and the DHR II on the rear. That was my choice for Lousa. I tend to run 24PSI in the front and 26PSI in the rear but that'll change depending on the track and the weather, especially if it's hot. We run Cushcores front and rear on the team as well.

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Greg's Commencal Supreme looking "awfa bonnie" in the hills just outside of Inverness, Scotland. Hopefully, it's not too long before we see both Greg and his Commencal in action.


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100 Comments
  • 76 1
 The blue and white reminds me a little of the Atheron/Commencal days! Looks great, seems appropriate for a Scotsman as well!
  • 67 0
 Reminds me of the time Yeti had a DH team...
  • 4 0
 @unrooted: Back in the days of Big House
  • 16 1
 It's that white fork! Could this mean Fox is shifting from there Factory orange to Factory white again?
  • 6 14
flag NorCalNomad (Mar 31, 2020 at 13:42) (Below Threshold)
 @brucemacd , you might want to calibrate your monitor. That's definitely green, maybe a teal ...but still definitely on the green side of teal.
  • 9 2
 @n1ck: Looks more like aircraft carrier grey
  • 1 4
 @zyoungson: that gray was the color of the first 40 series, In that time look weird, then they offer the whites and black ones. Now that grey with black stations a pollish braces can match the plastics paint jons in the new bikes
  • 2 1
 @unrooted:
Me too Yeti team
  • 2 3
 To everyone downvoting me. Rolleyes
i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/024/574/Screen_Shot_2017-11-06_at_12.41.31_PM.png

I've viewed it on multiple professional calibrated monitors and knowing what a color is, is part of how I make my living.
  • 22 1
 The not so obvious differance for the fork is the reduced offset which if you look at the dropouts, the axle is quite a bit closer to the leg than the current generation 49. This should significantly improve the way the bike tracks in corners. Looks like Chris Porter was right again.
  • 6 8
 begs the question why did companies start f*cking with offset when it was fine up until the wheel sizes changes in 2014 and now?
  • 12 0
 @dovbvsh66: They played with offset to preserve a similar trail. The trail is what defines handling, not the offset. When you put bigger wheel with the same offset, you make the trail bigger.

So what they are now doing is really changing how a bike handles (more stable, slower handling).
  • 4 0
 I’m not so sure...it does look as though they’ve reduced the offset in the lowers but there appears to be a reasonable amount of offset in the crowns still...? Looks a little way off what CP’s been up to to my eye.
And they’ve apparently raised the BB and steepened the HA.
If ever there was a brand whose geometry is driven by results and vice versa it’s Commencal and they’ve traditionally not really been in line with Chris Porter’s theories.
  • 3 0
 @dovbvsh66: To be honest, it's really not that simple. Fork geometry is just as important as frame geometry, however; they are the sum of their collective parts. Essentially take a look at the progression of frame geometry. If you were to skip from 2000 to 2020, so much has changed.
Adding in that changing the offset is not as simple as reducing and your done. You have many variables. Bike manufacturer specs, head angle, front center, and rider preference.

@ProperPushIrons: I would agree, and to be fair, I did not state that Chris is always right, but his progressive thinking has definitely pioneered alot of ideas that are currently becoming the norm.
In regards to the fork itself. You could be right in the crown aspect, and to that I would assume that fox is following Ohlins in terms of producing a number of differant crowns to produce an offset that matches the bikes charicaristics.
A steeper head angle with a longer offset would generally produce a similar ride quality to that of a slacker head angle with a shorter offset.
Fox's current 49 has a 58mm offset.
Last season the Syndicate, and Gee atherton were on MORC crowns running 50mm offset, as well as some other fox sponsored athletes had differant colored crowns, which I can only guess were fox's own prototype crowns.
I do not expect fox to produce a single offset, as this is going to become an industry standard.
  • 2 0
 @ProperPushIrons: after some more looking, take a look at the photo showing the atlas stem. The steer tube clamp bolt on top crown is located in a differant spot than normal, which indicates that those are indeed differant crowns. I would suspect that the crowns hes running have a further forward offset, and the fork lowers probably sit in the 30-40mm offset from center of stanchion to center of axle. Which puts the crown offset anywhere between 6-18 range depending on sets.
Similar to Ohlins, that do a 46/50/54/58 offset option based off crowns. Hes likely running a 54mm offset if I had to guess based off observation.
  • 1 0
 @jomacba: Hopefully you're right. The improved turning radius would be a cool bonus with a modern DH chassis.

58mm does feel like a bit much IMO. It's amazing what a few mm will do.
  • 1 0
 @DirtCrab: I've been running the MORC offset crowns in my 49. The turning radius sucks yes, but the performance benefit is worth it. One thing I can say I've noticed, is the less pronounced the weight loading that's required to do the things you would normally do. Like high speed S turns. I'm on an XL V10 29. I'm 6'. So to paint a picture I feel like I'm heavily loading the front end into the corner, then unloading and essentially pulling up to transfer the bike over to the other side.
With the shorter offset on this bike, I feel like my weight is more equal, and body position is more neutral. This makes the bike track better through and out of each turn, transitioning into the next quite a bit more "snappy". High speeds feel very stable, and it really just refines the overall dynamic. I cant say it's something you would throw on a bike and say "wow, it's like a whole new bike!!!", but for me what it did is took all the things I felt needed improvement, and improved them.
  • 1 0
 @jomacba: maybe the XL is a big long for 6'? I'm the same height and can't really work a bike with a 1300mm wheelbase... weighing both wheels appropriately can become tricky when your body doesn't give you the required range. It is preference though... did you ride the large as well?
  • 1 0
 @jzPV: wheelbase and ability to weight the bike is greatly impacted by front center vs chainstay length. I have run the L before, and felt the XL felt more stable. It does require some getting used to, but I would never go back (agree, personal preference).
Try the XL in the long setting. Regardless, the offset does effect this alot. Less on a smaller bike. There are alot of variables, some personal, and some are consistent. Ultimately we are just beginning to scratch the surface on ideal geometries and setup. If you can, I'd say try both.
  • 17 1
 She's a beaut'
  • 3 0
 i like this bike
  • 2 2
 @smeashin37 he*
  • 3 8
flag moabenchilada (Mar 31, 2020 at 11:05) (Below Threshold)
 Looks like a Session?
  • 4 1
 @rossluzz: I still dont really get this "Looks like a session" like it's some sort of iconic design that trek should be accredited for. The horst link session didnt arrive until 2005. Where as for one example, kona has used for years, and for an even closer looking spec, take the 2002 Giant AC1. Why arent people saying "Looks like an AC1". Just sayin...
  • 2 1
 @jomacba: It's got more to do with the overall look of the bike than suspension platform. And what people mean when they say is that it's just a rip off look a like of a session, they're not saying it's some great design
  • 1 1
 @NotDeadYetMTB: lol, I know I know. It was really just a general thought.
  • 1 0
 Might be the nicest bike I've ever seen. Want.
  • 9 0
 TRP are good brakes. They came stock on a complete bike and I am super happy with them
  • 9 0
 i Normally HATE whit forks but this one looks amazing
  • 4 2
 I'd say it's more of a light grey than a white, but that's just me
  • 2 0
 I'm still firmly in the hate-white-forks camp.
Or is it light grey?
I'll let it slide if it's raw cast lowers with decals and a clear coat.
  • 1 0
 Interesting to hear that opinion voiced here. You haven't been able to openly talk about hating black forks for a long time.
  • 1 0
 @NotDeadYetMTB: light grey indeed. Reminds me of the RockShox boxxer keronite forks that came out 2011(?) and looked stunning in person
  • 1 0
 still wiping up drool off my keyboard.
  • 1 0
 @CarbonShmarbon: oh, I've got nothing against white forks, it just doesn't look quite like white, but it could be me
  • 8 0
 6 ft and 89kg pro bike rider? TOLD YOU I WASN'T FAT!
  • 5 1
 That new x2 high speed compression knob looks like it will be a pain to get to in bikes that have a shock tunnel!
  • 2 0
 So, are we still going to have to zip tie fenders onto a 1,800+€ fork? The Syncros version looks ok, but really hoping there is a nicely integrated fender in the works this time.
  • 1 0
 I wish he would have talked more about comparing the Unno to this bike. When you hear Cesar Rojo talking about his DH bike, it seems like it’s the perfect bike. In a podcast he talked about that he doesn’t believe in high pivot designs. And now his former rider is riding one. I love how thorough Unno develop their bikes but it may have held them back with building a bike that’s up to date? But then again... they probably gained a bunch of experience that they can put into the next (29er) dh bike...
  • 6 2
 No kidding, that fork looks really good
  • 5 1
 New Fox 40, gets released tomorrow.
  • 4 1
 Long term review on friday
  • 2 0
 nah - the 38 will be next week though.
  • 4 0
 Commencal killed it again.
  • 4 0
 Sram : we need to make a stronger fork !

Fox : Hold my beer.
  • 12 9
 The industry definitely needs to bring back white forks!
  • 8 2
 Especially fox forks look good with white lowers
  • 17 11
 gross
  • 2 0
 @richsmithytfc This comment and the @MTBCamerongoldy comment proves the duality of man.
  • 3 0
 Color is subjective thing for sure. I wasn't a fan of the white Fox forks back in the day, still not much of a fan. However, on this bike looks solid.
  • 2 0
 Is this one of those split opinion internet colour things - are those forks white or grey - I see grey...
  • 2 0
 That fork kinda has some monster T vibes going on with that arch shape.
  • 3 0
 The paint is sick!!!
  • 5 4
 Holy moly that thing is pretty. Only thing I'd do is remove the stickers from the fork lowers, but that's just me!
  • 9 9
 gross
  • 5 0
 Or add blue ones that match the frame!
  • 1 0
 I love redesign on this new model. I was bummed selling my old Supreme 29, but I'm glad that I made room for this
  • 4 2
 Nobody trusting EThirteen carbon cranks eh?
  • 1 0
 That's a nice cockpit set up. I couldn't imagine having to run a rental cockpit set up. My Raceface has been solid AF.
  • 2 0
 Downhill bikes are the best looking bikes
  • 1 0
 Got to be one of the best looking dh bikes out there
  • 2 0
 That's one pretty bike
  • 3 1
 That paint job tho!
  • 1 0
 You'll cry when you scratch it
  • 1 0
 Anyone know what those MTB shoes are? They don't look orthopedic...
  • 2 0
 @jmc361: thanks — $
  • 1 0
 Ow.wow. Hoo-Lee-Fawk that’s nice
  • 1 0
 I would let that bike ride me so hard!
  • 2 0
 That thing is amazing!
  • 2 0
 Absolut machine
  • 2 0
 Love the colors !
  • 1 0
 ‘Super easy, barely an inconvenience’
  • 1 0
 Love the mood of the shots!
  • 1 0
 Nice fork
  • 1 0
 Sweet
  • 1 1
 It's quite grim donut ish!
  • 3 3
 White forks are the new orange forks...
  • 2 4
 Adjustable shock position? I know companies have the switch to change from high to low geo but is this the first time shock position has been adjustable?
  • 2 0
 No, lots of other brands have done this on and off for many many years. Intense and Specialized, among others, have had it on bike nearly 20 years ago.
  • 1 0
 @cthorpe: Gotcha, good to know and will be interesting to see how it works for the team.
  • 1 0
 My Intense M9 FRO (which came out in 2010) has three different progressiveness settings, without changing anything else.
  • 1 0
 @NorCalNomad: i have an M9 FRO as well. Its fun playing with the different setting combos
  • 1 0
 @cthorpe: @norcalnomad i also have an M9 but lost the flipchips but i like it as it is so its all good. absolute beast of a bike
  • 1 0
 @NorCalNomad: damn you still shredding it as your main rig?
  • 1 0
 @fast-n-loose-podcast: Not any more. Nomad gets all the attention. I keep the M9 for bike park trips though.
  • 1 0
 @fast-n-loose-podcast: I didn't get my M9 all the way back there but the guy I bought it off of did. I recently upgraded it to 27.5" since both the frame and 26" Fox 40 will take them.
  • 1 0
 @NorCalNomad: That's sick man, I like seeing the older bikes still getting the love rather than scrapped for a new rig.
  • 1 0
 @NorCalNomad: crap i did not know that. something to consider instead of getting a new hub
  • 1 0
 Ive been thinking about doing that at some point. I have a Marz 380 on and it will take 27.5 too.
  • 2 0
 @AngusG: Yeah, the main thing is that you have to run the G3 dropouts in the longest setting and it works like a charm. I know some people run offset bushings on the 27.5 mod.
  • 1 2
 I thought it was Greg Williams of the Sierra Buttes Trail Stewardship in Downieville.
  • 1 1
 nice so my 2012 white lyriks are cool again?
  • 2 0
 Totem :-)
  • 3 0
 @Ajorda: 40mm single crown will always be cool
  • 1 1
 Exact paint scheme as the 2008 Kona Stab Deluxe... Always loved it.
  • 1 0
 look like a session
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