We're at the iceBike* Show where Madison Saracen have been proudly making everyone well aware of their new team rider signing - Danny Hart. He's here in person with his new team colours and fresh Saracen Myst, a bike he says has been a painless transition for him to get used to as he gets up to speed before the race season kicks off in Croatia at the end of April. We got the lowdown on Hart's Myst and what the process is like changing bikes at the top of the sport.
Overview on Danny and the Myst
• Height: 5’10” (179 cm)
• Weight: 70 kg
• Frame Size: Medium
• Wheel Size: 27.5"
• Suspension: Fox 40 Fork and DHX2 Coil shock
• Drivetrain & Brakes: Shimano Saint
• Cockpit: PRO 9.8 Components
• Wheels & Rubber: DT Swiss EX471 / Maxxis Minion DHR II
The Switch to Saracen So obviously you’ve switched teams to Saracen this winter, how’s that process been?
Yeah it’s been really good, a really easy transition. I’ve been riding a lot and taken to the bike really well, we haven’t had to change much. I’ve been really enjoying riding and I’ve been riding at a lot of different places to normal.
The Myst you are on seems like a completely different bike to the Summum you’ve been on, what are the major changes you’ve felt with the move?
The Saracen I’m riding is a little longer, the wheelbase is a bit longer. I was a little sceptical at first but I’ve ridden at Innerleithen and out in Portugal and Italy. The bike handled really well at Innerleithen and at my place in Hamsterley and then when I go out to Italy and Portugal it was just amazing how comfortable I was on the bike even in places that are polar opposites. That’s been a big thing for me that I’ve struggled to understand why, it’s not really normal for that to happen, but it’s just awesome that is what has happened!
Have you got anything you are wanting to experiment with or change going into the season?
Just getting bike time really. We’ll be going out to America to do our suspension test with FOX, I just asked if I could try a carbon bar if that means anything! We are running the PRO stuff and I’ve been on an alloy bar but I wouldn’t mind trying a carbon one because that’s what I’ve been using in the past. So just small things really. Honestly, I’m really happy with the bike, it’s weird to get straight on the bike and not really have to change anything… I’ll go riding and come away thinking, ‘that was brilliant’, I haven’t had to change anything, I haven’t even had a flat tyre. It’s great.
You’ve been able to retain Fox suspension in the move, how much of a help is that for you?
To be fair I haven’t actually had to change much apart from the frame [he rode Fox, Shimano, DT Swiss, and Maxxis last year] so that made for a really easy transition just being familiar with all the brands and everything. We’ve done a little bit of work to the frame to get it to suit me better. Everything has been really easy, it’s a bit annoying as I’ll go ride and think 'right let’s try to think about something here and whether I need to change anything' but there never is anything!
Saracen have a well-developed 29er, your new teammate Matt Walker had great success on the bike at the end of the season - you tried the wheel size last season and ditched it, have you tried the 29” Myst?
I haven’t been riding any 29ers this winter. With changing bike manufacturer I just wanted to straight onto the wheel size that I am used to and get comfortable on that, because I know that will be a bike that I race. Whether it's a 29er or 27.5, worst case it’ll be a 27.5, well not worst case, but you know what I mean! I haven’t ridden a 29er this offseason.
Talking Suspension How much of your suspension setup did you carry over from last year?
Yeah with the fork and stuff like that, the fork is very similar. The bike is a little bit longer so it maybe changes it a tiny bit but we are always keeping in touch with the guys at FOX and it’s been really easy. I’m on the Fox coil again this year, I haven’t even tried the air actually. I think if you can run a coil you should always run one. I can't believe how easy it has been changing bikes, we haven’t come across any issues or hurdles, I’m really happy with how things are going.
Do you have any figures for your suspension setup you could give us?
Not really, no. I have my setup but it’s not really relevant to anyone else and we are always trying different stuff. We have a good base setting. I don’t even know how many tokens I’m running, but I know I’m on a 350 spring. I just ride and I come down the hill and say ‘it’s doing this or it’s doing that’ and we change it. I have a lot of faith in my mechanic Dave Garland.
Ah nice, you’re back with Dave? He was your mechanic at Giant before.
Yeah Dave is spannering for me, I was with him for a couple of years at Giant before I moved on. It’s good to get back together with him, it’s almost like we have a bit of unfinished business...
Okay in terms of the suspension setup front to back, does the bike sit fairly neutral or do you like it to sit into the rear a little more?
I don’t know! I’m not very good with all these terms. I know what I want and I tell my mechanic ‘it’s doing this or it’s doing that’ and we change it to feel rather than having it ‘I like this and I like that’.
Cockpit, Wheels & Rubber Do you have any details on your cockpit setup?
My bar width is 780mm and I’m actually not sure on the stem length I’m running. Like I said, for somewhere like Andorra I’ll maybe raise the bars a little, for anywhere steep I’ll do that.
You’re on Maxxis rubber again this year, I guess that familiarity helps?
I’ve been on Maxxis for a few years and it’s the only tyre I would use now. I have used others in the past but Maxxis have done really well with their ideas and tires, I wouldn’t use anything else. I just have a go-to tire for every condition. I use Minion DHRs front and rear the majority of the time, but if it’s really really dry, dusty, and steep I’ll use a Shorty of if it’s muddy I’ll also use a Shorty. I’ll maybe use a Minion DHF if it’s dry and not so steep, like at Fort William.
Can you give us any tire pressures? Do you run any foam inserts?
No, I like to keep that stuff to myself. Nah I don’t run any of that stuff, I think if you’ve got the bike setup right then I’d like to say touch wood that you don’t need to run anything like that.
Would you say you are quite particular on bike setup?
I think once I get it to a specific place we change it here or there, but we never go and change it massively.
How often would you change your setup depending on the track?
With most of the World Cups varying in tracks, we’ll change it probably most weekends but never dramatically. We’ll add clicks here and there but we’ll never go mental with it.
Would you rather search for the time on track?
I think you’ve got to do both. You’ve got to do both as with the track changing week to week, let’s say you’re racing Andorra… You won’t have the same setup as you might have in Leogang. You’ve got to do both, it’s not just one.
Do you demand anything specific from your bike setup?
I just need to have grip, without the grip I can’t really go. There are a few times over the past few year I have struggled that like, particularly in Lenzerheide where I felt like I was battling a lot. Hopefully, this year we’ll figure it out.
How important is bike weight to you?
Yeah I like it to be light, it’s nice to pick up a light bike. I know nowadays people are tying one thing or another but I like it to be nice and light.
MENTIONS:
@rossbellphoto @SaracenBikes
Welp, sales on Minion DHR II are gonna go through the roof now that people heard about someone killing it on something other than Minion DHF's.
Uh... Height: 5’10” (179 cm)?
178.99 = 5.8727.
Google lists his height as 1.78m.
Can wreck/flop my 25mm rim and tire combo at will even with higher pressure. 30mm it's a unlucky accident and I'm going way faster with it. Same maxxis tires.
Simply everyone different. It's not rubbish marketing ect. Just a solution to a problem for some people.
Any elite level pit walk / race report pics will show you just how popular these rims are. It's not always about super expensive carbon bling, or the latest widths. Well proven, strong and reliable will always have it's place.
Had my 471's built in 2015, they are almost immaculate, never faltered ,105kg
Not sure, but guys at this level run what they consider fast and dont pay much attention to fashionable reach numbers (I run a 445 reach and im shorter than Danny so im not bashing longer reach bikes, just making a point)
Super long 500+mm reach numbers are a little idiotic though, unless you are a giant of course but I know of two local riders who have both sold ultra long bikes (geometron being one) to go back to a more convenitional (480 reach back to 440mm) bikes as they just found them too much outside of super demanding riding.
Or does he mean HIS Saracen is longer than the stock one?
I’m not sure if the geometry has changed or which size Mondraker he rode but the reach of the two bikes is actually very similar size for size. But the Mondraker has longer chainstays - maybe he’s got a longer rear end on it? Seems unlikely, I’m just not sure how this bike is longer than the Mondraker.
Not that any of this matters. We all know long bikes are stupid
So much for feeling straight at home on the frame, while immediately going for a different design! Not hating on Danny, but always take what sponsored riders tell you with a grain of salt for various reasons.
EDIT _ looks like @Loki87 could have cleared that one up and he is on an aluminium proto.
He does state twice it is longer than his Mondraker though so something isnt right, as you say though not like it actually matters!
'Long' bikes are starting to be stupid, the Airdrop bikes blog is a pretty good read on this, a 440mm reach for a guy of his height would have been huge years ago but very normal today as the industry has played catch-up. Some 'companies' (loose sense of the word) seem to think they are pioneering forward with 500mm+ reach and that this is 'innovation' but fastest riders on the planet dont seem to agree with them.....
Do a little research on height of those bricks if you want "truth"
Great marketing Danny
@Macca400:
I’ve seen his height reported as 5’10” before...he got in the gondola I got out of (as I nervously said “good luck Danny” in my best 12yr old voice) at fort Bill last year and he definitely didn’t seem that tall. I’m only 5’6” and he didn’t seem to be that much bigger than me. I guess he knows his own height better than I though!
We know the wheel diameter so it should not be so hard to get the truth.
As for 500mm reach bikes being "silly", "too long" or just more marketing BS, I say go out and try one before making those claims. I have one and it is by far the best bike I have EVER had. I'm 5'11" (180cm) and thus not a giant. Personally I find we have all been riding bikes that are way too short for us for years. Riding off the back is a clear example of that. Look at motorcycles and you can see how the bikes fit the riders. The new generation of "long" bikes are not really long but just the right size and frankly it is about time.
do the math and compare his height to the tiles in the background in the first pic.. hmmmm
I see 6"x12" tiles x 7 stacked ontop of each other then 3 2" tiles. hmmm doesn't work out. but either way. BALLS are big for short little fella
Danny Hart - 5'10" 155lbs (thanks google)
Stock Saracen frame feels good with all my exact same parts and setup from last year.
I run large rotors
I don't know shite about the reach on this frame (why don't you Danny?)
I'm NOT riding this bike for World Cups
I have a new/old mechanic
Carbon bars - tryin' em
DANNY HART IS RACING FOKKING WINDROCK FOLKS!!!!
( Uh... Height: 5’10” (179 cm)?
178.99 = 5.8727.
Google lists his height as 1.78m.)
we will see when he will push the limits...
With the #350 it's totaly impossible for his level and weight...Or it's not the stock linkage...
Strange, but we don't see the spring, and he's talking about a medium and it's a large on the picture.
#conspiration ha ha ha
He NEVER sits down.
"I run 42psi mate. Not gonna chance a flat" and just listen for the "pong" trackside of the lemmings suckered into following.
Great looking bike , i had it's predecessor, it was very long.
178.99 = 5.8727.
Google lists his height as 1.78m.
What you´re saying is like saying "steel springs are too hard for me since they´re made from steel" ;-)
So maybe try another carbon bar, there´s certainly really flexible/well damped carbon bars out there and you may happen to like one of them :-)
You may not be able to afford different bars but its wrong to tar all products with the same issue, its like saying you wont ride a carbon frame because they are too stiff - not all carbon frames are the same.
Sounds steamy.