This Land is Whose Land?

Apr 4, 2012
by Mitchell Scott  
There is an oddly contrived ethos of mountain bike localism that exists on British Columbia’s Crown Land (and probably other public lands throughout the world for that matter), one that manifests most visibly in the unwritten laws of film stunts: those jumps, built airs, and manicured cliffs that are only allowed to be ridden by their creators. Funny thing is, no such ownership officially exists. Unless these stunts are built on private land, it’s anybody’s game. So why all the fuss? And fussing there is. When gaps and tables and drops built by athletes and production companies for specific film and photo projects get prematurely poached, shit hits the fan.

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British Columbia is a large, diverse, and wildly beautiful province defined by one fairly unique quality. Ninety five percent of its land base, what amounts to nearly 900,000 square kilometres of everything from dry desert landscapes to thick forest to high alpine mountain wilderness, is owned by the public. It’s called Crown Land, a leftover from Canada’s days as the largest territory in the United Kingdom’s once formidable Dominion. It’s a welcome residual to be sure, few countries in the world have as much area dedicated to the public. And when we say public we mean that anybody at anytime is allowed to venture forth without risk of trespassing or criminal offense. Yes, in many respects, paradise.

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With so much land, British Columbia lacks the policing infrastructure to ensure those public lands aren’t abused. And they are abused, most notably by the logging and mining companies that regularly rape the landscape via an industrial resource extraction tenure system. They pay a lease to take certain quotas of forest and minerals, and they take a lot, often shipping raw materials straight out of the country. But that's a whole other issue best left for a visit to David Suzuki's website.



Because of the lack of policing infrastructure as it relates to the shear size of public lands, users like mountain bikers, equestrians and motorized vehicle enthusiasts are forever busy building trails. The large majority of which are unsanctioned by the government. And while you’re officially not allowed to build trails on public lands, there is a culture of ask for forgiveness not permission. Once a trail is there, it’s there. The government doesn't have a "de-trail" budget. Not surprisingly then, virtually every mountain bike trail in the province has been manufactured illegally. Which is all fine and good from a mountain biker's perspective, as the vast majority of these trails are made without restriction to other mountain bikers.

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But what many people forget is this ethic of “public land.” I’ve seen mountain bike trails get discovered by trials motorbikers who shred the shit out of it. Mountain bikers go toe to toe with the motorbikers claiming, “this is our trail, we built it, stay the f*ck off.” But in the end, there’s nothing we can do. It's public land.

Robbie Bourdon throwing down huge and over jumping a giant of a stepdown for Freeride Films

Back in the early days of the Shore there were “private” trails. Stunt sequences no one was allowed to ride as they were built for movies or photography only. Ride them, or worse, shoot on them, and there was hell to pay. Today, especially in places like Kamloops, you hear swirlings of infighting as it applies to film stunts. When moves are constructed for a particular athlete or film segment, and they get poached by another crew, well, friendships are challenged, reputations are tarnished, shit talk ensues. Poaching is incredibly frowned upon by the film community, and it makes sense.

Tyler and Dan filming.

Kind of.

Filming for NWD back in the day.

At the heart of the issue, people are forgetting the whole notion of public lands. If you build it, spend 1,000 hours on it, pour your heart and soul into, and it rests on Crown Land, you have to accept the fact that it is not yours. It’s ours. The freedom to do as you wish, to build these perfectly manicured luge tracks of radness without fear of consequence comes with a cost--the submission of ownership. To even consider that it's yours, even until all the filming is captured and in the bag, is fundamentally wrong. It has to be.

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  • 326 7
 As long as the government see that you're having fun, it's illegal.
  • 20 187
flag Harry-hislop (Apr 4, 2012 at 0:26) (Below Threshold)
 Well not really,but it damn right should be
  • 113 0
 I rode my bike through a local park, not a wildlife park, not a protected habitat or anything. The ranger told me that he was going to fine me up to $600 dollars. He wanted all my details, but in Australia, you don't have to listen to anyone except the police.. True story.
  • 84 3
 we dont have police in canada.. we have mounted police.
  • 171 10
 You hunt police and mount their heads over fireplaces?
  • 177 2
 No no, if the Police catch you they get to mount you...
  • 88 0
 @ SkrauseDown

Yeah, don't have to listen to anyone but the police.... and your mother.... and your wife...
  • 69 8
 Canada is the best place in the world!
  • 51 7
 Everything in the UK seems to be private or protected so trails can't be built
  • 21 2
 @ Waldon, You can choose to not listen to all three, but they'll make your life hell.
  • 31 1
 @Barbour its not the whole of the UK just England and Wales i think, Scotland has right of access law, can go were you want when you want, as long as your responsible
  • 28 0
 Canadians sure are lucky to have such large swathes of common land.

Enclosure (theft) by the priveleged few saw the end of nearly all common land in England several centuries ago. George Orwell's opinion on enclosure is worth some consideration...

"Stop to consider how the so-called owners of the land got hold of it. They simply seized it by force, afterwards hiring lawyers to provide them with title-deeds. In the case of the enclosure of the common lands, which was going on from about 1600 to 1850, the land-grabbers did not even have the excuse of being foreign conquerors; they were quite frankly taking the heritage of their own countrymen, upon no sort of pretext except that they had the power to do so."
  • 18 33
flag demo8jack (Apr 4, 2012 at 5:03) (Below Threshold)
 Fuck Da Po' liece
  • 5 0
 you're all lucky ....
  • 17 0
 In Germany you are not allowed to to anything... Some trails are tolerated, some trails are build by registered associations and some are so well hidden that even the forrest officials can´t find them. But once they get public they get destroyed and closed. Frown
I envy your crownland...
Does the job market in Canada lack electrical engineers?
  • 8 10
 stolenick, come to canada as an electric engineer, and you'll very likely find that your work is under appreciated. What I mean by this is fairly poor salary (although I'm not sure what others would consider poor). You can try, but unless you're extremely good and lucky, you won't land a good job.

It's funny over here, the country isn't determined to evolve technically, to evolve. The rich with all the power and money, only want to get wealthier and couldn't give a shit about anyone or anything else that would actually benefit the country. So what do you get? Technical skills and anything related are not well appreciated.
  • 7 0
 Come on over stolenick. Maybe not in Toronto but Alberta would gladly absorb an Electrical Engineer. A simple google search showed tonnes of openings here. More info here from Alberta's OCC site with more info including expected salary. alis.alberta.ca/occinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?aspAction=GetHTMLProfile&format=html&occPro_ID=71002442
  • 6 0
 I agree with KDM, your best bet would be somewhere towards the west. Not particularity BC unfortunately, but Alberta yes
  • 4 0
 Check out Trail BC, (the name says it all)! Its a very industrial town surrounded by the best mountain biking in the world. Electrical engineers are in high demand - teck.com This company rapes the earth but if you own a computer, phone, tv, car or bicycle you are already supporting them and complaining would be somewhat hypocritical.
  • 1 0
 I am an EE in Scotland, admittedly I have a nice job at the moment, shame my wife would not move a couple of years back though :o(
  • 12 0
 @frdh- the first line of that article says it all: "Concerns about lawsuits." Our society is so strangled by the threat of litigation that doing anything that could possibly be slightly dangerous to us is becoming impossible or illegal. Why can't lawsuit reform be put into place that says if you are using public land, you bear all responsibility for your own injuries? All the publicly-funded trail networks out here are being neutered, with mtb-specific trails being built wide, flat, and gravelly, and all the hiking-only trails laced with roots and rocks. I'm pretty liberal, but this kind of nannying is some bullshit.
  • 5 0
 It's funny you mention that buck, I think about that a lot. I'm not sure how every rider on here or in the mtb community feels but when I ride trails I pretty much automatically assume any injuries are my own burden and my own expense and that trying to sue the state for not properly marking trails is just stupid. I mean if you're out there and you get hurt it should be fully on you. I agree that our country needs a lawsuit reform so people in general will quit using lawsuits so freely, it's just an act of greed.
  • 3 0
 @stolennick, don't forget the requirement for TÜV for any "wooden structure". No offense to good ol' Deutschland, but this place is f*cking killing me! Not sure how this is considered a "free-state" most of the time.
  • 5 2
 Or you could move to vancouver island (B.C) and build were ever the fuk you want. there is like a 5% chance your stuff will get taken down. Most of the loggers love the trails so they clear all the stuff (Trees/Branches) off your trail if it gets logged. I love the island
  • 2 0
 @BuckNasty44904 I agree with you like honestly even here (espicially in Ottawa) people don't get out of there houses and do mountain biking just because of being for lawsuits and stuff. Can't we just have fun and not care or worry about getting sewed for dumb stuff. If you get hurt and aren't a lawyer, who cares it's just another bump on the road. I know this great downhill trail that must give you a 10 sec. rush (cause of no great hills over here) and I'm always alone there, and it sucks cause I'm starting to DJ and I've wanting tricks on how to jump a 5ft. gap but no one is ever there so I don't think I'll ever do it because of fear of getting hurt badly
  • 2 0
 Yes , we have it good here and I'm not going to complain but lately I've seen Canada going down that dark path as well.
Too many freaking laws I tell ya. Too many laws ... too many ways to get fined out the butt.... Good thing we got so many new jails and RCMP stations being built. Now I can rest at night... knowing that my money is being put to new ways of taking even more money from me and everyone else Razz
  • 3 0
 Well Canada is pretty sick, even with all those trails out there being illegal, B.C is the place to be. Smile
  • 2 0
 @letsgetit: Seems like there is time for the DIN institute to make up a new DIN EN ISO for wood structures Big Grin
That would become the german Strength in Numbers...
  • 1 0
 Go to Alberta and work on the new huge oil field rigs they're building! Great salary and will guarantee you a job for some time to come!
  • 1 0
 being in ontario we know what its like having one person ruin it for everyone (blue mountain caper). it got to the point anything we made would be torn down no matter where it was hidden so now if you live in ontario and have cool trails and jumps its a sure bet they belong to the land owner. The bylaws here are complete bull shit in regards to everything and anything id love to have a meeting with the group of people who make laws that state shit like: if your deck/porch is higher than 1 ft you have to have a 4ft high railing ect. its all just a money grab: ticketing, enforcing, people whos position it is to make the laws ect its all bs!
  • 1 0
 @norcorider540 I definitively hear you out cause in Ottawa all we have are a bunch of lawyers, they go to work at 7:00 and come back at 5:00 so we got lots of good trails that are hidden in forests and sometimes so well hidden i have to take time to find them cause I'm very adventurous and such
  • 28 0
 Amen. Canada's trails are definitely on my bucket list.
  • 19 0
 not going to lie they are amazing. i can jump out my truck and on my bike and ride anywhere anytime without any fuss. never had it any other way, and i don't know what i would do if i wasn't allows to just up and ride.
  • 13 0
 Lived in BC for three years...... You guys have it SO good there. Except when it snows and you just want to ride your bike! Least in Australia we can ride year round. Although, when you have to drive 2 hours to get to any decent trail, you just can't be fooked. I'll move back to BC again for that reason....... BIKING
  • 8 0
 @Waldon83 ...but that's the joy of snow! Just like so many delicious seasonal beers, as the seasons change, so do your tastes! Summer=bikes,winter=snowboards.. the circle of life is complete Smile
  • 12 0
 summer=biking, winter=also biking it's just rowdier
  • 1 0
 hey france some awesome trails to
  • 1 0
 4th shot = Matt Hunter, Seasons = the best
  • 22 2
 man, i wish we had crown land. i always have to look over my back when riding illegal trails. But yeah its nice knowing here in cali, we take care of our land, but for goodness sake i just want to ride my bike on some sick trails!!!!
  • 18 0
 Damn rangers....
  • 18 4
 and rednecks with tractors Frown
  • 4 0
 Teton Freedom Riders, I choose you!
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flag ivcstudio (Apr 4, 2012 at 7:34) (Below Threshold)
 wait you canadians have it so good. aren't there hippies and hikers yelling at your for hurting there precious mother earth? arent there horseback riders whinning cause your spooking there horse. canada sounds pretty legit for trail building
  • 22 2
 Umm many riders are hippies and hikers. We bikers care for "precious mother earth" all the same. Ever heard of sustainable trail building? A little group called IMBA perhaps?
  • 11 1
 ^^We aren't saying we don't care about our land down here bro. We are just saying that people (rangers, hikers, equestrians) are WAY too strict and you guys have it WAY better than we ever will.

We take care of the land better than all of them and they still ride our arses.
  • 1 1
 yep, in quebec at least (don't know for the rest of canada) it's quite easy to find a spot to build trails. We maintain them clean and try to cut down the smallest amount of trees possible. If a kid gets hurts in a trail, sometime his fater call the police and they destroy one or two north shore and don't really give a F. about what we are doing.
  • 6 0
 I wish it was like that here... We have rangers that literally check forums and HUNT US DOWN while we are riding. They'll get in packs of 3 or 4 and search out riders and then give us $1000 tickets. No joke man.
  • 2 1
 you know where to move! :p
  • 4 0
 What I don't understand is that I, and the people I ride with, happen to take great care of the trails. We don't litter, we do our best not to skid into corners, but the equestrian people get away with their horses shitting all over the trails without picking it up or at least doing something with it. I don't hear anybody ever bring that up which surprises me since I've seen it many times. Fuck horses ride a bike...
  • 2 4
 quebec tries to separate themselves from the rest of canada. Visited there, they have they're own laws and rules.. Kind of embarrassing to the rest of canada. If you want genuine canadian trails and hospitality hit up whistler, kelowna, vancouver island..
  • 6 0
 @kona

Yes we do in quebec live in a very different way than other provinces. it do not mean at all that we have a bad hospitality Razz (in fact when traveling, canadian are not welcome everywhere, especially with our current governement we have a really bad image over the world.) but saying i come from quebec make a big difference. Razz still, west coast is sick. if you have to move somewhere only for bike, go to west coast! peace to other canadians!
  • 2 2
 That's not true , those quebec guys are some of the nicest people I've ever met. You get douchebags in every town. I would say Kelowna is actually up there with the worst for "hospitality". Kelownas level of ego has sky rocketed since my time. I would blame the quick growth personally. Not saying that there aren't nice people there either , I would know ... I lived there for 13 years. Still a great place to go to Razz

Also Gabriel I don't think the Canadian image is even remotely bad. In fact you will get glares because they suspect you to be American first , but once you say "I'm canadian eh" they get real chummy fast Razz
Canada is actually pretty liked globally
  • 2 0
 Yeah Im sorry I didn't mean you guys don't have good hospitality and all that.. I just meant the west coast of canada is pretty much the epicentre for mountain biking in the world. This has pretty much been blown out of proportion so lets enjoy canada for the ride...
  • 1 0
 let the hippi inside me speak : Peace over canada! sick place to ride and nice people Smile
  • 1 0
 I'm going to be a sad man when I have to leave Canada for work
  • 18 0
 PB: Great article!

You are so very fortunate to have Crown Land in Canada. The UK is terrible for trail building because the land owner has a duty to ensure those using their land (including tresspassers!) are not put at danger. The vast majority of land in the UK is privately owned or government owned (FC). Therefore great trail features often get demolished because its not worth the risk to the landowner of someone getting injured, even if they are having fun!

Come on my Canadian citizenship...hurry up!!!
  • 2 0
 There is one place I have discovered where this is false. Huge set of dirtjumps in a government complex near me, have been there for 20 years or so and they are still there. Nobody knows why they havent been demolished yet lol.
  • 18 0
 sometimes Canadians forget how good we have it
  • 2 0
 Find someone with land, go up, and kiss their ass for permission to build, the result is a no limits spot to do whatever the fuck you want with... Well worth it if you ask me
  • 5 0
 as a former professional trail builder who spent years building legal (and illegal) freeride and cross country trails, dirt jumps, pump track and even skateparks and the Esher freeride bike park in the UK I would say from my own experience?

here on this tiny little island we call the UK, its not worth building anything illegal, its a waste of your time

if you can form an association (affiliate a club to British Cycling) you can raise a legal park and insure the facility, with volunteer labour to build and maintain

seems initially like a hassle, but having experienced first hand the heart-ache of having trails demolished, its well worth the administation and promotion to get a group of like minded people together with support from the local community

after losing Esher to legal issues after nearly 8 years of fruitful operation, I hung up my trail building boots and now only do some "landscaping" in my local area, but those 8 years were excellent fun with many satisfied riders coming through the park including some B.C. natives like Wade Simmons and Geoff Gulevich!

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on my first of several visits to B.C. in Canada, I was blown away by the sheer scale and emptiness of the landscape, driving up the Sea-To-Sky highway from Vancouver to Whistler we were shown Vancouver Island which is approx. the size of Wales and very sparsely populated in comparison
  • 1 0
 I would have to say as a (dirt jump) trails builder making a club is not a good thing. Bmx trails take such a huge amount of maintenance that you cant do it commercially and have epic trails. The closest thing i know of is wisley, before someone says the track they are dirt jumps not trails, they are different... Anyway The problem is people feel if they have to pay they dont have to work, when for the trails to run they do. setting up clubs requires cash input, and for the builders to have to fork out and work is asking a bit much... As you said esher shore was above board and epic, but i am yet to see it transfer to the bmx dirt scene.

Although getting permission is key, make sure to be polite, ask nicely, and to dress well.Keep the trails clear of litter and make every possible safety precaution you can without taking from the riding. A dialed trail looks good to a landowner and rides well. One thing i would say is key is to set up locks or some sort of restrictions, sure you can agree not to sue, but a landowner doesnt know who else is coming down, and probably doesnt even want a load of randomers coming onto his land, setting up locks shows you have control of the situation and flow, and can make sure everyone has signed a waver, agreed not to sue, or is at least supervised whilst riding, a huge safety issue that puts the landowners mind at rest.

if you want to keep the trail dont chop down trees, dont dig massive holes, dont destroy nature, and dont break the boundrys of buildable land set without re consulting the landowner, if they let you build there in the first place and you treat them well they will probably be lenient.

finally make sure to show your appreciation, write a note every christmas, maybe collect up some money and buy some vouchers to a nice shop (john lewis is a safe bet over here). Just some things i have gathered over my time building, and my trail doesnt look to be going anywhere soon (touch wood)
  • 1 0
 Hey James

good information from you there!

I'd agree about the problems of establishing a "club" as I am well aware having worked with the Wisley guys and other trail builders that it oftens falls to 3-4 key individuals to do the very hard work of digging and maintaining the trails

this was exactly the same situation at Esher Shore, it was a couple of hard working volunteers led by myself, who did all the hard graft so riders could come from all over the UK and legally enjoy the bike park - all that the entrance fee or membership actually paid for was the expensive insurance (to protect the landowner against claims for injuries), rent of the 3 acre woodland and to buy materials (mainly timber, dirt and wire mesh) plus tools and fixings (nails, staples, etc.)

no one actually got paid directly to work in the bike park, the shop next to the bike park employed me full time with a deal that during quiet periods they would allow me to get out into the bike park and do essential maintainence....of course what really happened was me coming to work 2-3 hours before work, or staying until dark after the shop closed to get the work done in my own time

it was a tough gig (as any trail builder knows) but well worth it to build something so well received.
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 continued...

I would say that the "club" for BMX or DJ trails may be looked at more to provide legal protection for land owners, as under UK law an individual cannot release their right by signing a waiver, to bring a legal action for injuries sustained on private land, and this is what scares many land owners

the situation at Wisley is interesting in that they have legal and locked (controlled access) DJ trails, some of the best in the UK thanks to Diggs, Chris and co. and next door they have semi-legal freeride area that was bulldozed last year as it all got out of control...

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here is an older shot of the FR area with some of the crazy cr*p that people tried to build, this lasted 3 weeks, and did the DJ guys no favours with the land owner, even though it was nothing to do with them?
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 The main thing about wisley is that they themselves whenever i have talked about them dont seem hugely happy. They have to fork out a large amount of money for rent and insurance, and also have to over maintenance and building with a huge flow of people. The thing is trails take a lot of work, if people pay they dont expect to have t put in their graft, and for a builder to afford the rent or insurance they have to be working not building. I still think the way forward is bending over and taking whatever the landowner gives you because to be honest your the one getting free land and trails. Although saying all this it doesnt apply so much to anything outside bmx trails, any other sort of track requires much less maintenance, woodwork, dh tracks, 4x, bmx tracks, and dirt jumps, none are as fine tuned and sculpted, for that reason a club can work as it wont be a case of the builders spending all their time mopping up others mess. I still maintain that locks are the way to go though, as the article said there is this unwritten code about how you dont ride other people stuff without permission, and if you do then your the kind of person the builders dont want riding them in the first place. From what i have seen combo locks are the way to go, its easier than getting back keys, and also easy to give access to all builders and any visitors. To me though the key thing i want to show a landowner is that i have control of the spot and manage it well keeping things clean safe and dialled, whilst also having something sweet to ride and progress
  • 1 0
 @hampsteadbandit: your comments are really interesting to read.
I think your point about forming a club is valid. In my (professional) opinion, when a club is formed they have a duty of care to ensure that the facilities they construct (trails and features) are safe. If little Timmy tries to land the 15m gap jump and comes up short resulting in a broken face the club responsible for the construction of the trail feature will be the first to be interogated by the health and safety autorities.

Basically, forming a club to construct and maintain trails is a transfer of risk for the landowner.

@James-Carey: I think your comments are interesting, however as a landowner why would you open yourself to unecessary risk, even if you are receiving some sweetners occasionally?

Personally, I don't know where this will end. The utopia would be for someone to set up a fund structure in the UK to get mountain bikers to put into a pot to actually buy land and do what they want with it. The landowners would then be mountain bikers - problem solved ;+)
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 Problem not solved, people will just ride others trails, no work ethic would happen, you would have the builders and the riders, the scene would divide, or everyone becomes lazy and features just stop progressing. Mtbing is different, but fr and bmx trails are closely linked that they take hell loads of work to build and maintain. Thing about clubs is if guys have to pay costs they have to charge dudes to ride, people pay to ride they feel they dont have to dig, people dont dig the trails dont get maintained it goes to shit, people fall off the club gets shut... Landowners offer their land out of good will, it still exists, if your courteous, polite and offer no hassle most landowners will remember their childhoods and be generous, as you get older it gets easier as you become more trustworthy. It does happen across the uk. and to me is the only way for the bmx trails scene to go, public trails are not trails they are dirt jumps... a whole different kettle of fish.
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 @mackeroo and James-Carey

there is no simple solution to this problem

regarding liability - during one of the first years of operation at Esher Shore we were actually defendants in a legal action where a rider made a mistake, fell from a low level North Shore (timber) trail and broke his neck, receiving a life-changing injury.

After his solicitors realised that Esher Shore as a "not for profit" company with about £100 in the bank account was not worth pursuing, they went after the bike shop that administered the memberships (even though legally the bike shop and bike park were seperate entities) and then the land owner of the woodland (Sandown Sports Club)

We all spent 3 years and £20,000 in solicitors fees fighting this legal action, with the bike park actually closed for 8 months after the accident where the H&SE got involved, freaked out and shut the bike park

we then followed a comedic procedure of actually "educating" the H&SE about safe North Shore construction and basically wrote the rule-book for NS building and FR parks in the UK, and then demolished the old park

and spent several years rebuilding Esher Shore according to the new guidance; you would not believe how well used the "accident book" was at Esher with weekly accidents and a growing sense of deja-vu from the local Ambulance crews, this is what happens when you run a publicly accessible park and despite all the waivers, education and warning signs people get out of their depth very, very quickly Frown
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 Its a dangerous sport, but i am pretty surprised how many accidents there were down esher, i mean i dont think i have really seen any other spot with so many serious injury's. Maybe it was just due to the high turnover at esher?


Also i think there is a very unused and forgotten law in place in the uk that wavers anyone from being able to prosecute someone if they hut themselves doing something "stupid" such as an extreme sport as long as there was no claim the spot was safe to ride... (not entirely sure on this one, it was a brief discussion with a friends dad who is a lawyer).

Its funny how one dude ruins something for everyone else though, same thing happened with army land, they were fine with it till some ass fell off and tried to sue the military.

There is one simple solution... dont sue people, if people didnt sue landowners wouldnt fear the idea of having trails on their land and everyone would be happy.
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 I believe the reason for the amount of accidents at Esher Shore was, as you say the high turnover. During its heyday we'd have over 200+ people a week coming from all over the UK to ride the bike park, and a considerable number would be inexperienced riders, or it was their first time riding elevated timber trails.

We also had some quite risky stunts (free gaps) which larger overseas operations like Whistler Bike Park will not build as the risk of coming up short is very severe - WBP will always try to make tabletops and fully rollable stunts wherever possible.

An ongoing criticism of Esher during its operation (mainly from more experienced riders or the guys considering themselves "hardcore freeriders") was the ongoing 'dumbing down' of the trails in terms of height reduction and removal of riskier stunts that showed up as a pattern in the accident book.

Even with all the dumbing down, the accidents continued. I specifically remember one rider who bought a Kona Stinky the day before, had not ridden FR stuff at all, and broke his femur on one of the biggest gap stunts...despite telling us "he was going to take it easy!"
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 Yeah, thats the only thing. from what i have seen riders go through 3 stages... first stage is take risks and huck shit, you have never fallen off so you have nothing to fear... I guess esher attracted a lot of new riders? and that is why you never offered bike rental...

The only thing i regret is only ever riding the proper shore once, despite a whole summer spent on the slopestyle course i never got above the blue section. What i do remember from my one time riding the bigger stuff was just how sweet it was (even if i was on my single brake dj rig) All i can say is it was a real loss to the uk mtb scene with nothing else having stepped up to take its place... Its a real shame the uk lacks much proper FR at all.

Just out of interest do you feel you got more experienced rider or more inexperienced riders visiting the park? The main reason i ask is i know the bmx trails scene is pretty exclusive and the trails are awesome so people dont really bother to visit public spots when there are so many underground spots not limited by H&SE.
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 we seemed to get a mix of experienced riders and inexperienced riders coming to Esher

lots of the inexperienced riders actually were cross country riders (with good XC riding experience) as they would turn up with SPDs, fall off, come into the shop and buy DMR V-8s and ride in their trainers!

with the more "experienced" guys, many would not come back as they would get bored telling us its "too easy" but the weird thing was going outside and watching them ride and they would be hanging up all the gaps and wobbling down the trails, and not doing any tricks or putting any style into it?

yet telling us it was "too easy". From talking to these guys it seemed they were drawn more to just wanting big drops and gaps rather than technical trails, this is something I have seen at many illegal NS trails where the builders just try to build the biggest drop they can find, which is a very lazy way of building a stunt rather than being creative and concentrating on "flow"
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 Thankfully I live in Sweden where it's legal to ride any trail on public or private lands as long as it isn't in someones garden.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam#Sweden
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 I always kinda live by the policy that if I had no part building it, I'm a guest and behave as such. Just like when I was a child in my Aunts fancy house, I avoid handling things that may easily be damaged, give proper respect to those whose work afforded it, and generally tread with care. I'm also carefull who gets invited in. If there's someone who can't be trusted to be respectful or may eventually lead to others that may not be respectful, then caution is shown including them. It's not about secret societys, in-group fanatisism or "locals only" BS... its about respect and protecting both hard work and continued enjoyment of this sport and shared lands. I know what it's like to build something and spend a lot of time planning it, building it and maintaining it only to come back and find someone took five minutes and a shovel to ramp up the lip on something, brake bounce on a berm, walk up loose sections, ride soft spots in the wet, hack out a tree, insert a grade 7 shop class project quality wooden structure that serves no purpose, or any variety of other behaviour that damages the trail and disrespects those who put in the work to bring the trail about. Legally you can do what you want but, similar to how I think they should refrase all antibullying campaigns, "Don't be a dick" and things should work out. Sometimes you give a little more than you take and at other times, due to phase of life or a variety of other reasons, you take a little more than you give (hopefully you have given enough in the past to justify moments of trail loafing though)...just don't be a dick!
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 right, the government are trying to promote that we all live a healthy life style, that we should get out more and do exercise.. well it would make sence that if they wanted us to do thoughs things then they should give more rights to the people outdoors?
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 The government reminds me of my old fat gym teacher. She would tell me how slow and out of shape I was.... while she sat there on the bench with a bag of chips and a coffee. right , seems legit
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 It's a shame in the UK that a rider can sue if they get hurt on another person's land. I completely understand if I am building in someone's wood and they want me to leave then it's just bad luck, it's the same legally as building in someone's garden but our problem is that even if they actively want us to be there they are still at risk. A lot of forests in this country are managed purely for timber production and the owner has little interest in what goes on because there is very little you can do short of felling trees that has any impact. Is it really that hard for the government to see that I am quite capable of taking responsibility for myself? If I hurt myself taking a risk I WANT to be the only person legally responsible for it, I'm not 4. The simple fact of the matter is that the more legislation that's introduced the more illogical it becomes for a greater number of people and this has been proven in lots of areas of the law. Sorry for the rant but it's just an uphill struggle, even if the land owners turn a blind eye, as soon as some crusty old woman sticks her nose in there's nothing they can do but demolish it. It'll never get sorted and I'm tired of being treated like a little kid, I spent 18 years being a kid in the eyes of the law and that was enough for me.
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 I hear you UK law is fast becoming blame culture. It has to be someone's fault but its never your own its ridiculous and these stupid ppi adverts make things 10 time worse
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 I don't get why we don't use disclaimers more often. I've been told they don't stand up legally but why not? 'users of this land do so at their own risk' Done!!
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 Shoe2190: Bang on! I think it is very different in France were personal liability is king! If you are stupid enough to ride off a cliff then its your own fault! We are too reliant in the UK on safety signage to tell us what is dangerous as opposed to personal judgement.
BenCtheMusicman: I think your point is valid, however how would you physically implement this?
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 There's a small wood near the city I live in that's basically the only place a whole bunch of people can ride, and every now and then the bulldozers roll in and flatten a spot that the locals have put hundreds of man hours into. It's such a stupid system, I just don't get why people doing recreational sports can't be assumed to be doing so that their own risk? Competition's may be another thing, but leisure activities like biking in the woods?
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 Its not the people doing them that's the problem...its their wives, parents, children, etc who then have to care for them and pay for care for them when they fuckup in such a way that doesn't actually kill them. If they should go for the death exit, then you get suits around lost wages for families and so forth.
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 Ben, I've heard disclaimers just aren't legally binding for some reason. Deeeight, that is true, but it's still my responsibility. It's not like it's anyone else's fault but mine.
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 Except the point is, if you're left in a state where you're unable to say "it was all my fault", then the decision to sue or not most likely will not be in your hands.
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 But there shouldn't even be an option to sue seeing as it was my decision to ride what ever I was riding. The whole point of riding downhill is for the risk, it makes no sense for that risk to be the responsibility of the land owner not the rider.
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 @haydendmorrison fact is modern society is litigious to the teeth... people prefer to live carelessly.
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 I know, It's a different story with things like uneven floors in shops and stuff but it doesn't really translate very well into a sport where taking risks is the aim of the game... Razz
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 Yeah, I guess those of us who enjoy taking our life into our hands and truly making it our own are a bunch of crazy weirdos. Bummer.
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 The fact that builders who make film stunts don't want them ridden by others bugs me. It is like making a roller coaster for only yourself. Lame
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 There is a big difference between what is legally right and "the right thing to do". if you are film company X and you know someone has been making a trail/line for their segment in film company Y then you need to respect that. In a lot of sports there are unwritten ethics and this is one of them. A lot of hard work goes into those lines... man up and build your own line or wait until the original builder gets to shoot on it. It doesn't matter what the law is, it's common sense. It may be "your land" but its not your feature, and every mountain biker knows this deep down.
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 It's everyones features on public land! You're simply the Da Vinci exhibiting your Chef-d'oeuvre. It's noting more and nothing less! If there is a trail then, respect it and ride it!
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 This is officialy one of my favorite articals on pinkbike.
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 Amen to that.
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 I love trails built on crown land by privateers. I hate the lawyers that sue for injury because Joey got hurt. What I don't like to see are non organic materials being used and left in the forests. There shuold be a trail builders law of using ONLY materials found in a 100 meter radius of trail.
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 rismtb: that is an excellent point IMO. Trails should be constructed from sustainably sourced materials. Not sure how you find nails and NS pre-cut planks in the forrest though? ;+)
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 As for fastening nails is by far the quick and dirty way to do it, but most things can be done without nails if you try hard enough. For "most" forests you don't need to pack in any wood, just basic hand tools, and a good knowledge of how to build without destroying what's living.
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 This article is great to see, and is something that really needs to be touched on. Plus it's rad seeing some old film scans from Hylands.

As a photographer and builder there is always a constant struggle to be the first to shoot your own creations, be it set-backs with weather giving bad light or poor riding conditions, or it be vandalized or even somebody getting the jump on you and publishing it first removing the whole spotlight of 'originality' from the context.

I think the biggest issue to consider is just work ethic, if you don't plan according to have the weather line up within a day of two by the time whatever you've built is "rideable" that's on you and nobody else. The feature is finished, and it gets shot. If there isn't a good window to shoot it, don't finish it. If people are willing to take on that ownership and acceptance I think it will avoid a fairly large portion of heated debate and shit storms.
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 I think common courtesy extends here. Of course crown land is fair game and none of us are the sole owners of it by any stretch just because we may have put in a few days digging. I do a fair amount of building and obviously shooting, I don't expect for no one to ever rider the things I build after I shoot them BUT I hope that people will give me the benefit of the doubt and let me be the first to shoot the things that I build. Beyond that I'm not overly concerned who does what with it. It certainly dilutes my product if it's been seen before and discourages me from building at all if I think that someone will get at it before me. Often I have to wait long periods of time for a rider to be available, the right time of year or the right weather to shoot something and isn't always feasible to wrap it up last minute to insure it goes unridden. I have mixed feelings on the whole thing but I'd say generally just try and be courteous. If you know someone plans to shoot something, don't intentionally go out and snake it out from under them.
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 On the south island, crown land is limited unless you're willing to venture much further up island. Everyone seems to know who is building what but generally we try and exercise some courtesy to each other. From time to time we do step on each others toes because of the number of riders and shooters vs. the amount of land and amount of stuff being built, but we do alright. It's about respecting someone else's hard work. Instead of keeping things totally secret, I try and tell people "Yeah I'm building this out here". Often people have no idea that what they're riding or shooting isn't fair game, so instead of keeping things a state-secret, let people know what you're doing. If everyone knows that stunt in the woods is something you built they're more likely to leave it be. I'm sure I've shot things here and there that someone wasn't too thrilled about(sorry if I've offended), either not knowing what I was doing wrong or being misinformed by a rider that it was all good, but I would say the majority of the issues can be resolved by us all trying to respect each other's hard work. If you're that anxious to ride something fresh and original, go build it yourself, ask permission, or wait 'til the video comes out and then go poach it.
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 For sure it comes down to common courtesy and respect. I think that's the biggest key and should regardless go without saying. The other big one is just responsibility, if you want to ride something and what ever it is get's wrecked, that's on you to fix, not the builders.

The whole "Ya I'm building out here" attitude is awesome, if you've got a beautiful location with features to ride why not share where you are, and it doubles back around so you're visible in the public eye so people are aware of who's doing what and where. The woods are meant to be shared and it's a huge part of why people ride, to get to see new locations and ride different trail. If it wasn't for the builders, the sport wouldn't be expanding in the literal sense of having places to ride, and indirectly and having people near those locations be introduced to viable riding options.
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 So what is the trail etiquette then? There are a few local spots to me that lads have had a dig, with a couple of jumps here, a mini downhill there, and they are on my regular routes I ride every week. Because of my work I usually ride when everybody else is at work so never see anybody digging. I have massive respect for these guys that put the hours in, even though I don't know who they are, so I feel a little bit cheeky riding their stuff. I show it the upmost respect and always wonder how they find the time to do it. How do you builders feel about people like me? I'd like to contribute but don't have the time (being a bit older with family), should I not ride the trails?
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 I think in Scotland there is the "right to Rome" which Is kind of the same thing... Although the local area council manager is gone In our area due to budget cuts!! Whoo! Big Grin so were kinda left to our own devices. Smile
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 Scotland's better than England but still not as good as canda. its illegal to build in Scotland but you can ride anything thats already there. Anything you do build if the FC find out about it they pull it down
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 Shoe2190: I've worked with the FC on trail building projects and they are relatively pragmatic when it comes to trail building. They accept trails and features get built on their land and they don't have a 'zero tolerance' policy on this - i.e. they don't demolish it without good reason. They do retain some trails because that means people are actually using the woodland, which is the remit of the FC. However, when trails or features are built in an obvious or dangerous location, or the feature itself is dangerous (e.g. a gap jump across a bridleway) then they will most likely tear it down. If the trail is out of the way they tend to turn a blind eye. This is not always the case, but I think the FC shouldn't be seen as a 'demolish all trails' organisation.
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 Think it depends on the area Aberdeenshire and moray definitely have zero tolerance there was a very safe easy to ride trail dug at pitfichie basically the top layer wash scrapped down to dirt but within a week it was covered back over.
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 I want to move out west and pursue a career in geology. That way I can be outside a lot and go biking on awesome trails on my time off!
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 For ther most part I agree with this article completely. I do however take issue with the paragraph about logging and mining.Doesn't it seem slightly hypocritical to say that this land belongs to all of us except logging and mining companies. Since when do mountainbikers represent the majority of the voting public. If you have an issue with the way that the logging or mining is taking place then you can speak to that directly. If you just want to slag the two largest drivers of the BC economy then take it elsewhere to a more appropriate forum.
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 I think there is a difference between citizens recreating on public land vs commercial mineral removal or deforestation.
Commercial business are not included in the 'owned by all of us' ideal.
Forestworker, logging and mining industry has no rights to crown land natural resource without a license.. you can't just go anywhere and cut down a tree.. where as joe public can go anywhere he wants on crown land and recreate. So, its not hypocritical at all. The public do have more ownership than commercial logging/mining

Once you start making money off the land, you are no longer part of the general public and land use rights change.
To make money off crown land you need tenure.. which, incidentally, mountain bike movie production companies *should* probably have!

As far as I know, there are only two companies in BC with a mountain bike tenure granted by the government to operate commercially on specific parcels of crown land.

I do think that the forestry industry should make more attempt to integrate into the fabric of the communities in which they operate. We live here to recreate, we shouldn't have to fight to keep our recreation protected!

I take issue with you suggesting that Logging/Mining are BC largest drivers of the economy. BC Bud eclipses what forestry does and tourism is pretty significant with Mountain biking having overtaken golf in the sea to sky corridoor as the leading summer tourism driver.. so, mountain bikers are coming for the logging industry.. time you started playing nice!
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 I'm in forestry here in the U.S, studying to be a forester. I'm not sure how it goes up in Canada but in the U.S companies are required to replant, and follow best management practice etc. If responsible companies do what they are supposed to then negative effects on the land can be greatly reduced. Yeah clear cuts suck to look at but in reality they can be the best harvesting practice with the lowest longterm impact. It's easy to hate the logging companies but remember we all use wood products, they are in so many things you wouldn't even think about. sorry about the rant, just remember we need to use trees!
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 If I might say so.... IF the industry would adapt some slightly more ecological means to extract resources, this would be better accepted. Such as the question, is a clear cut better for the environment (mother nature and the people who want to use it) than selective logging? Forestry says "way healthier" and common sense suggest not. (not scientifically proven my common sense albeit rather from experience). Most of Europe is having to manage forests by selective logging for two reasons - the size of available land (too small) requires consideration for the others that use it (share with your friends). And everyone gets along.... with more people, you would think you'd have larger potential of conflict but guess what..... both sides know they must share, and they get along. example is on my local bike trail, last fall the loggers put up nice signs saying "logging in progress". After two weeks and they moved on, the trail was still rideable!! Thus the term Mitchell used... once a Forestry company has gone through a cut block, forget trying to use it. Mining? Its a bit different since an open pit mine is not so easy to share no matter how hard you try.
This land is my land, this land is your land, lets all just ride and share our girlfriends and drink beer and smoke dope:-) hahaha, just to stir the bees nest .... :-)
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 That comment by Mitchell was disappointing to say the least. If you have an issue with the tenure system or royalties or the lack of value-add then speak to it directly. Don't just put up a hit-and-run comment which IMO detracts from the article. Mitchell is a very good writer and I'd expect much more (indeed a lot more) from a writer of his caliber.
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 It really depends on the landscape and type of trees being harvested to determine what practices work the best. In some cases selective thinning can be worse. Companies sometimes take the biggest/strongest trees because they are most profitable. This leaves a weak forest behind which is not good for the overall health of the ecosystem. In addition, feller bunchers can cause compaction and erosion around the trees they do not intend to cut, diminishing their overall health. It isn't as simple as saying "clear cuts are bad, selective thinning is good" a lot goes in to deciding how an area will be logged. For shade intolerant species of trees clear cuts are good, they get more sunlight and the forest can actually grow back to be stronger then it was before. There is a lot of science behind forestry. As a mountain biker I hate to see clear cuts, they are ugly and if your trail is there its gone. As a future forester I know that sometimes the long term goal needs to be kept in mind. sorry for ranting again....
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 I understand the aspect of clear cutting, and regrowth and reforestation. But what if I don't remove any trees to build? Use only deadfall for lumber, carve a singletrack wide path through the forest? I think a lot of this stuff is being blown out of proportion. I bet that within 5 years if the average trail was left alone it would return a great amount back into being the forest again. The destruction of habitat is minimal, and as long as erosion controls are put in place the trail shouldn't damage much of anything.
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 @Forestworker and those in agreeance

You totally missed the point.
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 ok lets not get in to a discussion about clear cuts or selective logging, but lets point out some facts.
A clear cut is short term revenue but long term limited shared use. After going through a reforestation program, the nicely planted genetically modified trees are stronger and growing faster than the native vegetation. I know that the statement " there is a lot of science behind forestry" is true... but its not for the benefit of mother nature.
@starcbiker, i'd like to know what "the long term goal needs to be kept in mind" is.
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 The long term goal is an overall healthier forest.. most of the genetically modified trees end up in southern Loblolly Pine plantations. I visited a site that had been clear cut in the mountains of North Carolina some 40 years ago and you know what? it looked and felt exactly like the neighboring forest that wasn't logged. The creek at the bottom was perfectly heathy and the trees were big and strong. I never said clear cut all the time everywhere I said they aren't always bad.If you want to learn more go read a forestry textbook about silviculture. I'm done arguing, I'm gonna go ride my bike and learn about trees now =)
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 @starkbiker, no arguing meant from me... just was for real wondering what you meant. There is science involved, but its only intended benefit is for a re harvest in much less time as a natural forest.
The story was about sharing land for riding:-) So, my long term goal is riding till I'm old.
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 It's not always the motorbikers poaching the mtb trails. In my area of BC, I have seen old trails originally built by horseback and ancient dirtbike use become part of the more recent mtb culture and incorporated into organized mtb club trails. Now the trails, once put there by the motocross riders are off limits. I guess the saving grace for the motocrossers is that is easier to get further out there via fossil fuels instead of hard work. I enjoy doing both sports, but wish they could exist in harmony in each other's presence without the usual squabbling
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 The problem often become one of where the trails become "mountain bike" trails, with no recognition of which community of users the original builder belonged to. Lets be honest, most trails out there should be considered multi-use, not mountain bike or hiking or motorized. Trails that we built 25 years ago out in the backcountry are now being accessed by mountain bikers with better equipment, and new forestry roads that are used to shuttle to what once was too far back for most. Mutual recognition of each users rights to the land, and respect for others hard work is too often forgotten.
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 im pretty sure that the only reason the builders dont want people filming on their shit is because then people spread the word, then one f*cking idiot kills themselves trying to hit it, and then the trail gets torn down. so secret trails are secret for a reason, as well as to keep them prime. if anyone built their own trail would you want some a*sholes destroying it with a dirtbike? no
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 I thought I had a secret jump line...then I saw videos of my jumps being hit by dirtbikes and the next time I went to ride them they were demolished. Definitely sucks
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 thank you, now i can poach all i want, and have it social acceptable
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 In Rossland most of the trails are on private property and everyone, from hikers to bikers to horses, enjoy them equally and freely. Crown land should really be no different. I'd be stoked to see someone ride a trail I poured my sweat and tears into...great way to meet new friends and recruit more bodies for future trail building.
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 It's also awesome when you're in the parking lot and someone asks you if you have ridden a particular trail that they love and you get to say, "Why yes, I have. Infact I built it!" No better compliment!
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 Glad i have a big backyard. Build my own trails. Ride my own trails. If i catch you on them....well...ur gonna be in trouble mister. Unless you want to dig. Then all is forgiven.
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 i have built a couple trails in kelowna and it does hurt when someone finds what you are building and rips your line first.. but at the same time it is great to have a guinea to see if everything flows good..nothing better than seeing a smile on their faces...plus..as a builder i am building for everyone to enjoy. cant we all get along and just have a good time? see ya on the trails
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 These pics make me want to build right now! I figure if, there's more people building than tearing down they can't keep up. Streangth in numbers and just F'n over power these twats that's tear trails up. Yea It sucks having a great place to ride destroyed.... But just means explore and rebuild new better bigger faster and better hidden trails.
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 In the uk when you build a trail the forestry commission don't allow it but generally leave you to it, the annoying thing is kids usually rip them up or destroy jumps...liltle fookers
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 Very informative article... if you're an amateur photo/videographer.

I think the issue isn't so much that anybody truly believes the PLACE to be theirs, but rather that people get frustrated when they see their HARD WORK disregarded by somebody with no common courtesy or respect.

Happened to me yesterday at the jump spot I've been digging at for almost 7 years... a rider (he's been digging there 2 years) came in and decided that his view of what an existing line should be was more important than what anybody else thought it should be. Apparently he needs bigger jumps because he can do backflips and 360s (like anybody really cares). Meanwhile, most of his riding buddies can't even clean the line as it is... Anyhow, rather than start a new line of larger jumps he started digging on existing jumps without asking others that dig and ride there (and have been much longer). Happens all the time.

People are egotistical and selfish.

We call them poachers...
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 I can see both sides of the story here though, one side is that, yes, the trails are built on " crownland " and by right are free and open to anyone and everyone, like the article said no 1 person can lay right to any one part, but the other side of the coin is, you the trail builder/digger/bloke who has grafted all winter sculpting your perfect line, and is rightly proud of HIS creation, does not then want some complete idiot rocking up and destroying all his hard work with careless abandon, i mean does this person have the connection to the line/drop/jump that the creator has, the man or men, or ladies for that fact, who have put potentially hundreds of hours of back braking effort into building said feature? no i doubt it, he wont probably spare a moment to repair damaged lips etc, he'll just ride it and piss off, having had his fun. I hope ive kinda got my point across there? Big Grin
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 Im building a track in the some bush in the middle of no where but I'm still $h!tin my self if just one person see me
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 Exactly my point mate, people wana ride, people should come help dig. simples ;D
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 Yer I know people like us are out there building tracks (possible ileagle ones) and all the others guys complian there no where to ride
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 another little thing we have here, in BC, which is nice is the BC trails and park act Smile as long as a trail is looked after by a recognized local association or club. It is protected.
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 apparently not, cuz we have lost at least 3 trails to logging.. and more to come.. on the sunshine coast.
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 thats not crown land, if your referring to BnK, that's land owned by the logging companies.

So it's not part of the BC parks act yet, i was a little worng, sorry guys, but here is the working draft of the mountain bike trails policy for use of CROWN land. Land already owned by developers or companies with Logging rights already in place have say over trails that were built previous to this working draft and after their development or logging rights were approved.

www.mbta.ca/assets/pdfs/BACKGROUNDER.pdf
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 So that document is dated 2006 and it says it was to be implemented within 12-18 months and the link at the end of the document no longer works. What ever came of this?
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 The good logging companies and developers will replace the trail or build another one elsewhere re: Squamish. Hopefully that precedent continues.
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 the link at the end doesn't work cause the ministry changed names. It's not MTSA anymore, it's now the ministry of tourism, jobs and innovation
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 here is the working draft in it's official form. I have also e-mailed the ministry to see what the status on the draft is to this date.

www.sitesandtrailsbc.ca/documents/mountain-bike-policy.pdf
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 spain is a mecca for all kinds of mountain biking but in the last year me and my mates have been getting bother from "officials" for riding trails, from what i can understand with no reason at all. they just keep repeating the same thing. "its prohibited". i ask under what law? why? what are we doing wrong?? same response always. prohibited. yet its alright for all the stone to be cut out the mountain and shipped to china. Spain is a wounderful country ruined by petty bureaucrats.
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 Agree,Did you hear about the prohibition in the Maigmó?and Alcoy? I´m thinking about putting the patriot for sale...this sucks.
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 dont be crazy!!! who cares if they try to stop us. run run as fast as u can. u cant catch me im a super fast dh rider man!!!
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 Great article!
Living in the south east of England we dont have many areas for riding anyway and the public land is inherently shared with walkers and horse riders who are the people mainly opposed to mountain bikers. Would it not make sense then for them to be happy about trail building as it would cut a completely different line through the land away from bridle paths and footpaths?
As for not wanting other people to ride the trails you build, it's a ridiculous notion. Be proud that what you've created is good enough for others to want to ride it and that your trail will remain and may be improved upon which in turn makes you a better rider, anyone who thinks that we are damaging the countryside let me tell you that moving a few logs and dirt will not make the slightest impact on mother nature who will claim those trails back as quickly as they're built. I'm on my way to Scotland.
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 It's ashame that landowners are scared of people hurting themselves and blaming it on the landowner. If I injured myself on my local, The owner of the land would be the last thing on my mind, along with compensation. I chose to mountainbike, therefore It's my responsibility to get myself out of the situation.
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 First - its the land of natives in the first place, mind you, the history - "our home and native land"
Second - take care of nature when you are building trails, do not destroy natural habitat.
Third - trails are for everyone, not for "who built them", well you can take it to war with locals and that is a loosing battle. (they rode and walked those trails for ages and you come build or modify and its yours?)
Fourth - outdoor activities are good and healthy for everyone, unless you take it to extremes, not good for you not good for nature. ( im talking here about building huge - hospital jumps and destroing ridable trails for very few 9' travel bikes).
Fifth - make it safe for everyone, sometimes kids ride those trails, also mind other riders who might not be so extreme and fast.
Six - we are out there foran " experience" in a good, right way, not to demolish, destroy something or pollute.
Seven - People rule! Police are people too, some of them ride these very same trails.

Dont put a corporate price tag on peoples lifes, unique places and adventrues, unite and do what is GOOD for all, fight for it!
Gouvernment and corporate win when people are easy to dismiss and push around, but when it gets to court, corporates start to think, oh its not that easy or cheap, maybe its not that profitable to "come, see and conquer" whatever they like. Or show them that cooperation with public is profitable and good for everyone or less expencive than court wars.
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 A lot of people have it wrong, so let me clarify. Public land is not "the peoples land", its the Governments land, and they own it. Its only allowed for us to be used when they allow us. And now you're seeing how they have the right to do what they are doing. Thats why Governments continually buy land, because the more land they have, the more powerful they become. How? They control: the land, trees, water, minerals; basically everything that we need to survive, they control. Now why would they want all this control? SO THEY CAN CONTROL THEIR PEOPLE. Its all about control over individuals, and that they know whats best because they graduated from some stupid school with an arts major or something. Thats why the world flooded to the USA, because the Government didn't own and control anything, the people did. What they earned all went into their pocket, and they owned the land to do what they pleased. Every passing day there is more and more Government around the world, and every passing day the economies just keep getting worst. No other country in the history of the world experienced freedom like it was here in the USA: which lasted about 130 years; and died about 40 years ago. We need to return to a Constitutional Republic; where man is truly free.
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 As far as liability goes, another aspect to consider is that if you hurt yourself and make an insurance claim, the insurance company is legally allowed to try and recuperate that money any way they see fit which might mean going after land owners, trail builders, other riders, etc. So it may not matter if you state that you were entirely at fault when you were hurt (or something to that effect); if you're asking someone for money to fix yourself, then that money comes from somewhere and it isn't always from your insurance premiums, MSP contributions, etc. Luckily in BC there isn't a lot of case law that suggests land owners, trail builders, other riders, etc. will be successfully sued if you're hurt while riding your bike on someone else's land. So many more 'if, and & but' statements to make, but best to leave it here. Anyway, this article is really interesting and Pinkbike should dedicate a lot more space to this type of info.
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 As far as liability goes, another aspect to consider is that if you hurt yourself and make an insurance claim, the insurance company is legally allowed to try and recuperate that money any way they see fit which might mean going after land owners, trail builders, other riders, etc. So it may not matter if you state that you were entirely at fault when you were hurt (or something to that effect); if you're asking someone for money to fix yourself, then that money comes from somewhere and it isn't always from your insurance premiums, MSP contributions, etc. Luckily in BC there isn't a lot of case law that suggests land owners, trail builders, other riders, etc. will be successfully sued if someone is hurt while riding their bike on someone else's land; however, that still doesn't mean you may not bear the cost of a court case. So many more 'if, and & but' statements to make, but best to leave it here. Anyway, this article is really interesting and Pinkbike should dedicate a lot more space to this type of info.
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 they outta call me the trail poacher Salute build it and they will come .Pimp
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 well i have this to say the government can go take a shite the country belongs to the people not them so therefore if we choose to ride it it's our to ride walk shit do what we like with it, as for motorbikers and mountain bikers clashing on trails yep that has to be a bitch so i would say work together, the motorbikes can rip a trail in to the ground in min while it would take us months of grooming. build a joint community with them agree on trails help each other build theirs and so on, could even come in handy for uplifts guys LOL Smile
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 This is nearly impossible to achieve. For the most part these groups do work together and the members often moto and mtb, belonging to both communities. It's the tourists, one-offs and poachers who do the damage here. Not everyone wants to join a group. This is ADHD culture man, nobody cares where the trail came from, the just want to rip it and couldn't give a shit as long as it's still there when they come back.
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 We have big problems with moto and quads tearing up our trails and jumps. I would say that 90% of the moto crowd rides our MTB trails with respect and stay off the throttle. As we all know, however, it only takes one yahoo to wreck a jump. I couldn't believe it last year when I came tearing around a corner and there was a quad trying to spin his tires and wreck the lip of one of our jumps!

Sadly, we're now investigating trail building techniques to keep motos off. We're using skinnies across gullies, sharp switchbacks, mandatory gaps, etc...
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 Sadly I am now designing trials lines to keep mountain bikes off of the trails that we build. Don't forget that the mountain bikers do significant amounts of damage to trails as well, as they do in the Britannia, Squamish and Whistler areas. I agree that an irresponsible moto rider can destroy a trail in a hurry, but the sheer numbers of mountain bikers with narrow tires can destroy a trail as well, it just takes a bit more time.
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 @Spenser but everything even walkers can shred a trail with time....
i think peabody said it all really just build your trail so you can't down it on a motobike or at least make it such hard work they won't want to bother Smile
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 I appreciate the view put forth by K-D-M, peaBody and yourself andy. I just want there to be clarity around the different types of motorized bikes and the varying degrees of damage done by each. In British Columbia there is relative peace between the trials motorcycle community and the mountain bikers/hikers etc., but the same cannot be said of the relationship between the enduro/motorcross rider and the other trail user groups. If fact we often get calls from mountain bike trail builders to come a ride their new trails on our trials machines to help firm up the trailbed.

As stated by K-D-M, for the most part our various groups get along just fine, it is the "Cowboys" from all camps that cause the troubles.

Cheers
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 In my country there's what we call the Regalian Doctrine: all lands are owned by the State. It was a leftover from the Spanish decrees when the Philippines was a Spanish colony.
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 I agree...and yet we're still have the privilege to explore our native land...luckily, near provinces have uplands to access...
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 rangers where i live are on horseback, and when it rains horse tracks make some awesome trail bumps... Rangers are cool as long as you greet them before they greet you, strap your helmet and watch your speed out in the open but once your tucked in the trail!!! it all just a downhill rush!
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 I build for me first, then for everyone else too. I consider it a gift from me to everyone who wants or dreams of riding it. I'm stoked to see people ride what I make as it is so satisfying to me to see people ride or push their bikes up long distances to smile all the way down. The word "poaching" used in a MTB context is just plain ridiculous. Keep the free in ride! Keep the down in hill. I'm down with that! If I have an itch to build a trail or trail feature, I say, this land is your land this land is my land from the table to the double to the dope-est feature...! Cut the shit you ninnies!
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 eh hoser you poached my line!!! mofo... thats what I say when someone poaches my freshies (powder skiing for all you none skiers). Or normally what I hear behind me ahhahaha.
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 I don't have experience with the film making and poaching aspect of trail building but I have had to deal with other people riding or causing damage to the jumps that my friends and I have built. I don't mind if people ride the jumps because we all love to ride but what gets old is the fact that if they destroy it in the process the chances of them lifting a shovel to fix it are next to none. Sadly the jumps we build are subject to the use of dirt bikers, mountain bikers, horse back riders, quads, jeeps, and even hikers. All of these groups at some point in time have caused damage to the trail and jumps but despite the frustrations the overall situation is quite good. The land we build on is not public land nor is it my personal property so fact that the land owner hasn't shut us down is a tremendous blessing. I am very proactive when it comes to building and maintaining jumps in this particular area and at times I wish we could have the land, trail, and jumps all to ourselves but I have to be thankful for and accept the fact that the land is not mine and that for now we are essentially being allowed to build and ride illegally on someone else's property. I believe this applies to riding and building on public lands too. As much as we would like to think that the jumps and trails we build are our property the fact is that if they are on public land then they are open to the public. It's my opinion that the positive benefits of this arrangement greatly outweigh the negative.
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 As far as poaching is concerned I think that like any law, written or unwritten, people will choose to break it. Even if an official law was passed, signs were posted, and a penalty or fine was imposed some people would still choose to poach lines and stunts. In the end the honest and hard working film makers and photographers would have a legal process to deal with and the poachers would still poach. I think the most important thing we can do is be committed to never being guilty of an offense that we publicly or privately disapprove of.
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 Good article that I think can provide some critical thought for all of us. We don't have this crown land here, but legal or otherwise, we all run into manufactured trail features and various attitudes on who should have access. There are the government and private land owners dealing with liability, environmentalists or alternate users of trails with different agendas than mountainbikers, and the diggers that may hold a sense of ownership of their work. I'm like dglobulator, with little time to even get to a trail I usually spend it riding.
As far as one photographer sniping another guys stunt, that's a douchebag move that may not be illegal, but the industry ought to find or follow some sort of etiquette. I mean that's kind of like stealing intellectual property, even if the builder left it out in the open. Is there no honor among shooters?
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 Informative article, I didn't realize poaching anothers trail was such a serious breach. The only issue I've ever had with trail etiqette here is when you're building a trail with a certain idea or vision of what you want, someone comes along & changes your design. I know as a climber this is a serious breach yet riders seem to have no problem with it. That being said, we really are fortunate to be able to enjoy such great terrain & variety. Great article Mitch.
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 I build trail around my comunity on crown land as I pay taxes too, when building I build for my skill level (Average) and my friends and its amazing how many friends you meet on the trail. I say if you dont like it dont ride it. and I agree with the guy above me f*ck the government
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 Poaching is a problem, I will give you that, but I wish that was the major problem with the trails around here. I guess even paradise has problems. Can't keep an MX bike out is a far better problem than government officials tearing a trail down, but still a problem, I guess in the end we all have our own problems, and the grass is greener in Canada, except when it is covered in snow. Pick your place, pick your problems, over come them and get your shred on.
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 I totally agree. Society in general has changed. It use to be if we were passing by, we would nod, tip our hat, and say hello. Today, we just walk by staring at our cell phone and really couldn't give a damn. The same goes with trails, people would respect what you had built and would understand the intentions, if not, they would ask and develop their opinion. Today, we just cross the fence, see something and f*ck it up, regardless if it is on crown land or private land (357 Remington does wonders). It's also more of the fact that we challenge authority whether it's from your parents, or the police. If someone posts a sign "No Trespassing", people are just going to cross it anyways, hell we all do it. It's amazing what curiosity influences.
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 You should get involve with a local club who works in colaboration with the government on getting trail legal. It's in the best interest of all mountain biker to get trails ligit, sustainable and secure for good.
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 In Paulding County GA, you can ride wherever the hell you want. until you get seen by a property owner , you get the cops called on you. or if it's hunting season, a hunter will kill your dog and shoot at you.. I say learn to ride fast (er)
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 I'm amazed there was no mention of the Native Americans, considering this is about land, and almost all of Canadian owned soil was "stolen" from them...
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 Doubt there's any land in the world, that's inhabited by humans that hasn't been "stolen" from someone else, over and over again.
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 Mad I tried to +prop you but hit the neg on my damn phone. My thumb is to big!
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 If you were to build a single trail in Pisgah National Forest (North Carolina, USA) here, then you would be arrested and tried in a federal court. It's brutal.

Canadians are so blessed.
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 Gotta love Finlands Everyman's rights. Except there is no mountains or good soil.
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 That couldn't have been written any better.
Should've closed it out with "'Nuff said."
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 jonnyboy, I was starting to think you had some legitimate discussion points, then you lost all credibility with your last paragraph.
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 Sorry, did I miss a wink smilie.
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 Hehe just wait until the Liberals are back in power (sometime next decade).... you'll be a budfieldworker instead.
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 its my land land because i'm aboriginal Razz
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 I wish we had more sick trails here in Perth like you lucky dudes - I'm hanging out for BC in August.....sweetest place on earth!!!
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 awesome article! One of the best articles I've ever read on PinkBike.
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 Bang on brother. When we build a trail, its should be for the good of the community. Not ones greedy self.
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 I thought this "land" was the land owned first by the indigenous people we steamrolled over :/
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 If u build it they will shred! Find a new place... Ride it till they Find it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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 Good article..... Its too bad that a lot of us have different versions of what the word "respect" means.........
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 if i crash i dont sue, i take it like a man.
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 Awesome pic's!!! Glad to see some good beauty after that horrible story below. bastards...
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 This is why pedal driven is a big deal. Also look for "The Woods Belong to Us"
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 I built this illegal trail, its not on my land, now stay the hell off of it!!!
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 Anyone else scared shitless to hit some of those hits?
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 Britain has lots of common land it's just flat as fu@#
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 Outlaws have more fun Wink
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 Good article Pinkbike.
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 "ask for forgiveness not permission"
f*ckng A!!!
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 Its getting worse and worse around the world, i say Fuck the governments!
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 Governments are just groups of people...
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 No they're not. Governments are groups of elitist who know whats best for you and your family, and what you should and shouldn't eat. Only under a Republic, is where the people stand above the Government, which doesn't exist anymore.
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 You might be surprised... besides, these days everybody's an expert who's more than willing to offer unsolicited advice on how you should live your life. Sound a little like a government?
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 GAH makes me want to live in BC!
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 that the shit ////||\\\\
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 This is a truly great read, thank you.
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 sucks how they are making it harder for us to go out and ride
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 I Disagree
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 Whiteys on the moon!
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 Pinkbike 3
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 Sad. True.
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 terrific write-up.







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