It's not my intention to kick-start an all-out war in the comments section below over issues such as the global economy or environmental degradation. But I am interested in the concept of buying local; it's a positive thing... it saves on shipping costs, import taxes, fossil fuels, and you have more insight into who produced your products, how they are made and why. Who can argue against that? Actually buying local, however, is often easier said than done. If you want a banana, like really
need a banana, and you don't live in Ecuador or Madeira, you aren't going to pop out and buy a bunch from the local farm shop. The same applies with technology, most Westerners want or need a smartphone, but you can't visit your local computer shop and order a custom phone just for you.
Unlike these products, building mountain bikes and components already happens all over the world, though the majority are still produced in Taiwan or China for financial reasons. That said, I have been witnessing a rapidly increasing trend of manufacturing coming back to the EU. We should bear in mind that it was only around twenty to thirty years ago that the rush to the east started. Before that, there were millions of bikes being made in Europe, with a hotbed of activity around Northern Italy and Spain as well as Southern France.
Many companies inspired me to take on this project, fueled by conversations with engineers and manufacturers who were proud of building their own products under their own watchful eyes, instead of conversing over the internet, flying thousands of kilometres back and forth, battling language barriers and calculating long-term inventory and shipping times.
The seed was sown three years ago with the following anecdote: Over dinner, Neil Wilkinson from Superstar Components mentioned that a shipment of his pedals were late by several months. Wilkinson's estimated losses from being out of stock were so large he decided it was better to
buy the CNC machine needed and just make his next batch of pedals himself. I won't repeat his numbers, but those machines cost six-figures in anybody's currency.
It got me thinking... Could I build a bike that I actually wanted to ride, entirely manufactured in my home continent, Europe? I'll cut to the chase, I didn't quite wind up with a 100-percent EU-built bike, but the process proved an interesting journey. Here's a low-down on this super-bike, from front to back.
Renthal Ultra-Tacky Push On Grips So, I thought with all of the 'Made in Great Britain' history of Renthal products that I would just order some grips and a handlebar, and be done with it. Easy. First box ticked, right? Not so fast. It turns out that every straight-gauge bar Renthal has ever made was in the UK, mostly for motorcycles and even BMX race handlebars. When mountain bikers decided they didn't like an MX-style bolt-on crossbar for added strength, we moved to fancy swaged tubes that are thicker at the stem clamping area than the grip area. The production of the FatBar we all know (and subsequently the carbon versions) have all been produced in Asia. Renthal now have a machine to swage tubing for oversize clamping areas in the UK and are making some MX bars, but currently do not have the capacity to add the MTB products to the line.
| Renthal grips have always been produced right here in the UK. Wherever possible, we like to manufacture in the UK, allowing us the tightest possible control of production and quality. It also helps speed the development of new products and ensures that our exclusive grip compounds are only ever used to produce Renthal grips.—Ian Collins – Cycle Product Marketing Manager |
But I could arrange for UK grips. These Renthals are still my favourite grip, and the Ultra-Tacky version in black is grippy as hell – almost bonding to your gloves when riding, they last for ages and have better damping properties than most lock-on grips, plus they are super cheap – less than half the price of their lock-on brothers. The downside of these grips is gluing them on but Renthal's quick drying glue speeds up the process. If you have controls with clamps that allow them to be changed without removing the grips, it's less hassle – less hassle than finding the correct tiny Allen key for the lock on clamps, digging packed dirt out of the bolt head with a needle, and then still rounding off the bolt head...
Magura MT-T Brakes The Magura MT-7 brakes are some of the most powerful stoppers out there. This MT-T is Tibor Simai signature edition version. Simai is a long-standing Magura athlete and general all-around German bike legend. Tibor opted for the HC3 lever, all black with chrome decals to match the polished calipers with mint-green caps, which can be swapped to other colours to customize your ride. The MT-T is a great brake, and I opted for 180mm rotors front and rear to try and keep things simple and avoid silly-sized mountain bike brake mounts and extra bolts. Originally, I was told that the brakes are made entirely in Germany, but after more investigation, I found the calipers are formed in Taiwan, at Magura's own facility. Close but no cigar, I could have gone with a number of other Euro options like Hope, TrickStuff, or Formula which are machined in the EU.
| In 2011 we started to build a new facility in Hengen, nearby our headquarters in Bad Urach, Germany. The reason why is that Magura's owner wanted to guarantee our employees' jobs here. As you know, Magura has a long tradition and we will have our 125-year jubilee in 2018. Magura is not a start-up company, but a company with long-term values: knowledge, engineering, Swabian and success. Nevertheless, we also have a high-level of knowledge in our value chain. As you might know, we produce our brakes on our own. Most of the parts for either powersports or bicycles come from our own composite production nearby. This is also one of several reasons to commit to the German factory location. Short delivery distances and having the technology, engineering, R+D, and production close together make life easier and more effective.
Concerning the MT-T brake we have the perfect collaboration of our Magura factories in Asia and Hengen, in the end we say "made in Germany" because the final assembly is in Hengen. The caliper is delivered from Asia to Germany, the master cylinder is produced itself in Germany, The mounting is done by our German facility. The HC3 lever comes from our facility in Asia and is also mounted in our high-end products. One of the most interesting and most efficient things is, that on one hand, we have our own delivery partner - Magura Asia, and our own assembly facility in Hengen. This is important to combine cost control, delivery control, supply chain and in the end keeping the high-level knowledge in-house.—Götz Braun – Head of Marketing |
Intend Grace Stem, Stiffmaster Headset and Edge Fork The Intend Edge is a single crown, upside down fork that is made to order by Intend in Germany. Sounds expensive, doesn't it? But at €1749 the Edge is not massively out of reach for some riders... or at least it's in line with some other top-tier forks on the market. In fact, retail price in Europe for a RockShox Boxxer can be over €2000. With 166mm of travel, a downhill standard 110mm x 20mm axle and running on Bionol veg-based oil, this fork is a rare beast. Also, it won't turn up in a pretty box. It's more likely to arrive in a recycled box from another brand, packed with used materials or kitchen sponges that will help keep the dishes clean for months to come. On paper, the fork is the stiffest single crown on the market fore to aft, but the most flexible torsionally. The Edge has plenty of other noteworthy features, and the initial rides were interesting. A full review is in the works.
I also invented the Stiffmaster headset, and cunningly let it be patented and go into production without any financial benefit to myself. Well, that's not strictly true; after a long conversation with Cornelius about why I think a triple crown fork is so much more confidence inspiring than a single crown, I placed the blame at the top of the steerer tube and stem/headset junction for flexing too much, especially with modern wide handlebars. I think I said, "If only there was a way to fix that," and I could see Cornelius' brain cogs start to turn. A few weeks later he sent me a sample that he had already designed and patented. So what does it do? By using an axial needle bearing on top of a standard headset bearing, a clamping top bearing cap, and conical spacers, the Stiffmaster increases stiffness at the top of the entire steerer tube junction, which should lend a more accurate feeling, like a dual crown fork with a direct mount stem. Intend are currently doing some lab testing and initial reports show a 38% increase in stiffness.
The Grace stem is another beautifully and lovingly-crafted product which is 82 grams light. The downside is that the maximum handlebar rise is only 20mm due to the way it is installed into the two-bolt design.
| Manufacturing my parts here in Germany makes it possible for me to make small series with a very high quality, and to have a great partnership with my suppliers. Shipping times and prices for customers are low and that's a real benefit. For my business size, it would not be possible to visit a supplier in Taiwan or simply call them if there are problems. Here in Germany, I have a direct wire to the milling and lathing company, and that is worth it.—Cornelius Kapfinger – Everything at Intend |
Nicolai Mojo GeoMetron GPI Frame Finding a European-made frame was the easiest task. There are many brands to choose from including medium-sized brands like Orange or Nicolai, smaller niche companies like Ancillotti, Starling, BTR, MDE, as well as many custom frame builders that can weld something to order.
I really liked the downhill performance of the Ion GPI with the Pinion drivetrain I tested two years ago, and wanted more. I bought this used frame off Mojo, which was an ex-GeoMetron test rig. I love the sizing, slack head tube and steep seat tube. Every time I ride it, I wonder why it's taking so many other brands so long to catch on. This frame is around three years old now.
In the words of the wise Ol' Dirty Bastard, "Ooh baby I like it raw." The raw frame saves money and chemicals on paint or anodizing, and you can leave it to weather naturally, brush it for a matte effect or polish it to a mirror. The best part is that scratching your paint becomes a thing of the past and you can buff out any marks. The worst part? Polishing the frame and then it oxidizing the next time it gets wet.
| We used a European supplier because I've always been suspicious of the reasons for going to Taiwan to get stuff made... it's essentially cheaper because there's not so much protection and remuneration for the workers and less environmental protection. I quite like people and our planet! It's cheaper to buy but the planet pays and so do the workers... they essentially subsidize our cheap Taiwanese frames (and the expensive ones made by the same people in the same factories... Factories which don't have logos you would recognize as a 'bike company') I also like to work with local people 'cos I'm not a fan of planes and shipping things in them! Not sustainable... Nicolai have been great with us, very brave! Kalle and the crew have the skills needed to make bikes here in the EU, use 'em or lose 'em (that goes for the EU too)...—Chris Porter – GeoMetron Bikes |
| Nicolai is not a bike company; it is a rare species of frame manufacturer with 100% in-house production. And “in-house” can be taken literally in this case. Up until today, the entire Nicolai staff, thus all skills but also the entire machinery, have been located in a reconstructed farmhouse from the 19th century. And how could it be otherwise? Kalle lives in this house with his family as well. This local production is eco-friendly and creates a unique working atmosphere.
Working from home is one reason why Nicolai and his team of engineers, welders, mechanics, and racers are always ahead of the pack when it comes to cutting-edge technology. Nicolai is a pioneer in matters of gearbox technology, belt drive integration and a revolutionary new geometry approach called GeoMetron and described as our “Geolution”. One could think that innovative power and success would inevitably go hand in hand with the material carbon. But for Nicolai, aluminium offers a wide range of advantages: Only aluminium frames can be 100% customized, modified subsequently, up-cycled and reused infinitely. Instead of hydroforming, which is now part of the mainstream, Nicolai banks on straight tubes, almost out-of-space CNC-milled gussets and rocker arms.
“As of spring 2018, we will move to a bigger factory,” Kalle tells me proudly. “With that step, we can make progress in manufacturing technology, run more 5-axis CNC milling machines, start using robot welding and metal printing.” The new home will not be located at an infrastructural hotspot in a new building, but only a few kilometres away from the headquarters in a rural area, a factory restored by Nicolai.—Vincent Stoyhe – Nicolai Marketing |
EXT Storia LOK Shock Another thing of beauty. Extreme Racing Shox hail from a motorsports background and have been making mountain bike dampers for a few years. Made in Vicenza, Italy, the Storia LOK features high and low-speed compression adjustment, rebound and the LOK lever for pedalling that closes a separate compression circuit from the general damping circuit.
It looks like something that you could find on an F1 or WRC rally car and comes at a price that may offset the ten-bucks I saved on the lock-on grips. €799 + taxes puts this around four figures depending on where you live, but every unit is built to order for you and your bike.
| Manufacturing in Europe represents a significant part of EXT Racing Shox philosophy. It provides high-skilled partners and enables us to produce technologies that meet our needs. Firstly, we are a racing company and building here allows us to have everything under control within a maximum 100km range. This helps to constantly improve our technologies and products. It's better to source a component from a manufacturer who is aware of this knowledge and puts high-class craftsmanship in order to deliver a totally high-end and dedicated racing product. We strongly believe in Italian quality and innovations.—Daniele Addamo – EXT Marketing |
Pinion P1.12 Gearbox | A number of my fellow editors have asked, "Wait, isn't the maintenance-free and super-reliable thing supposed to be the big selling point with gearboxes?"—Paul Aston |
There are a few reasons why I wanted to build this Pinion bike. First is that the lack of general maintenance is fantastic. Second, I wanted to try it with a chain drive, since I have only used them with a Gates belt in the past. Third, Pinion makes 155mm crank arms. I was interested in trying super short cranks after reading some articles about power generation and why some cyclists in other sports such as triathlon are experimenting with super short cranks. I still haven't come to any solid conclusions on crank length, other than this: Nobody knows why 175mm is the 'standard' in the first place.
There are some downsides to the Pinion of course, like added weight and friction. Oh, and the grip shift-style selector. And I had a few mechanical issues that have severely limited my time on this bike so far. To be blunt, one day the gears stopped selecting properly and I had to send the box back to Pinion for a service, which took a few weeks to turnaround, including shipping.
A number of my fellow editors have asked, "Wait, isn't the 'maintenance-free and super-reliable' thing supposed to be the big selling point with gearboxes?" My response? I still like them and this problem would be solved if they were more mainstream and had a bigger dealer network. But, let's get back to the bike in question. Upon completion of this current build, I snapped two chainrings on two consecutive rides powering up some steep climbs. I put this down to a different location of the jockey wheel tensioners. After moving back to my original setting, I have had no further issues with the chainring, but have been losing the chain. Pinion are about to release some heavier-duty rings aimed towards more extreme types of riding – I think I will go back to the silent belt drive.
| A Pinion gearbox consists of more than 140 pieces. Each piece is designed and developed by our engineers at our headquarters in Denkendorf, near Stuttgart (GER). As you can imagine, every single piece must work 100%. Otherwise, the precision of the following 139 pieces is useless… For the production of the components, we rely on our regional network of suppliers in Germany. Most of them are regional and we really appreciate to have it the “short way”.
Our gearbox is 100% “Made in Germany”. Our aim was to transfer the technology from a car to a bike. As you know, the German automobile industry is at the top level. Our partners are medium-sized companies that have been working to the standards of the automobile industries for decades. The outstanding quality of the suppliers in the automobile industry is a big advantage for us.—Andrea Escher – Pinion Marketing |
Connex 7R8 Chain Connex by Wipperman has been making chains in Hagen, Germany, since 1893. SRAM also produce most of their chains in Portugal, so that would have been another option. I went for the Connex 7R8 single speed chain that should be thicker and tougher than multi-speed chains and it's nickel-plated for corrosion resistance.
Superstar Nano Pedals Most UK riders are familiar with Superstar Components. Starting in his bedroom, Neil Wilkinson was buying brake pads in bulk from Asia and selling four pairs for £20 earlier this century – a quarter of the price of big-branded counterparts. Since then, a lot has changed and Superstar is now a massive operation in Lincoln, North East England. They have some big news coming soon and I can't divulge too much, but they have slowly been acquiring more and more machines and adding more UK-made products to their line. This pair of Nano pedals was one of the first ever created by their UK machine and has lived on many of my bikes – they always seem to be there for me when I need them. A big platform, supplied with short (8mm) and long (10mm) pins and a quality finish. The Nanos have taken plenty of abuse and still spin smoothly. Their downfall has been knocking the pins out along with the threads from the alloy body. At £49.99 they are probably the best value EU component on the whole bike.
| We've started manufacturing in the UK as the bike industry and market has changed drastically over the past five years. Venture capital funds have invested money, big brands have been content with making losses to win market share and it’s slowly killing off the direct sale of re-badged catalog goods. Where once we were pioneers, now we’re one of many, and we knew we had to change and make ourselves stand out from the crowd of catalog part pushers. Coupled with this, lead times were causing a nightmare for stock control and the fall of the pound against the dollar left us high and dry. So we changed. We invested. We brought the manufacturing in-house, and we did something different.—Neil Wilkinson – Superstar Components Owner |
Hope Hubs The EU has hubs covered, and the choice of Hope is probably a less exciting choice than some of the more exotic options out there such as Tune, Acros, or Spada. Then again, Hope's hubs are trusted by thousands, they are simple and easy to source parts for. I was looking for a hub that could work with 15mm and 20mm axles at the front, and I wanted a single-speed option for the 142mm rear hub, to give symmetrical spoke spacing and have some leeway for adjusting the chain line. The Trials/SS hub from Hope features a four-pawl ratchet with 88 teeth of engagement, giving a 4.1º pickup. This is half as much as standard Hope hubs, which I thought could speed up the connection considering the extra slack added by the Pinion freewheel to the system - and the clicky sound is even nicer. Hope explain that their billets come from Italy, the pawls are made in the UK and the bearings are from Schaeffler in Germany.
| Outsourcing our production has never been an option. Initially, it was probably due to the facts that all we knew, but over the years we’ve become passionate about keeping things “in-house”. This approach ensures we have control over every aspect of the design and production of our components, from the quality control in every process, through to knowing all our employees work under ethical conditions. We can also guarantee that 100% of our metal waste is recycled and, although small at the moment we’re looking to do the same in our carbon production.—Alan Weatherill – Sales and Marketing Manager |
Mavic EX830 Rims and Claw Pro XL Front Tire I haven't built any wheels in years, so I thought I should refresh my skills and lace these up myself. When I finally completed the bike build, I headed out for the first ride, brimming with stoke. The dream was over by the second rock when I split the rear tire and set about trying to plug and patch it back together. It was at this point that I saw the 'Made in China' small print and nearly launched the entire bike off the side of the mountain I was descending.
It turns out there was some miscommunication between Mavic and myself, which is explained by Michel below. Anyway, the Mavics are now built up and on the bike. But I chose these rims as they are alloy, cost €75 and look nice in anodized black. If you have problems burping tubeless tires, then these rims are for you. Getting tires on them was very tough, though they are built to ETRTO accurate standards, but once they are installed you will have no further problems (maybe I was unlucky with tire choice but tried four different tires). The softly-tensioned spokes and alloy rims are forgiving, plus they track, absorb and grip superbly.
The Claw Pro XL Front tire is interesting and needs more testing if the ground ever gets softer and damper on my local trails – winter has been too kind recently. Sam Hill used this tire last year to win the EWS, so it must be a decent all-rounder. On hardpack and rocks it's sketchier than a dedicated dry tire, but in medium conditions, it feels safe with a very controlled breakaway. The casing is also tough, though it's not a downhill tire and weighs in at around the 900-gram mark.
| Since 1966 our rims are produced in our Saint Trivier Sur Moignans factory, France. Everything is designed in Annecy and then shipped to Romania for assembly – these are 'rims for wheels.' Some basic rims are produced in China under our control when the production process is very simple (pin joint, welded) and when no additional Mavic technology is involved such as ISM4D, Exalith treatment, Fore drilling or others.
Some years ago, we started producing a few road rim models in China. Only the low-end models to avoid any transfer of technology and know-how. This is to reduce lead times and shipping for our Asian-based OEM customers and to reduce the cost for entry-level products. Since 2016, most of our MTB rims are manufactured there too, due to a lack of resources in our French plant, capacity here is used to produce 'rims for wheels' for our high-end models. In 2019, most MTB rims will be produced again in our St Trivier plant as we are currently investing to produce more here.
We want to manufacture in Europe to manage our process from A to Z. France is the home of Mavic since 1889. Manufacture d’Articles Vélocipédiques Idoux and Chanel = MAVIC—Michel Lethenet – Mavic Communication |
Hutchinson Toro Rear Tire Hutchinson has been making tires in France since 1890 and is the only bicycle tire producer in France, and produce tires on Mavic's behalf. The relationship with Mavic and Hutchinson goes way back to '99 when the brands developed the
UST system together along with Michelin – a system I think has been overlooked in the industry, despite the collaborators trying to make it a standard from day one. Why do I think it has been overlooked? It is not a
perfect solution, but it is the only tire and rim system to date that is designed to work in unity – the square locking beads of the rim and tire match each other, both are airtight so no sealant is needed, allowable bead stretch is measured and all of the above need to comply with independent lab testing to be allowed the UST badge. Basically, the UST system solved most of the tubeless problems that people still suffer from today nearly twenty years ago. Anyway, flying off on tangents aside, this tire isn't even a UST version and Hutchinson didn't have the 2.4" size available when I needed it. I opted for the 2.25" option which I split nearly resulting in the thrown bike mentioned above.
I am looking forward to getting the size I needed soon, as I have been impressed by the Toro on short test rides in the past.
DT Swiss Competition Spokes and Squorx Pro Lock Nipples I have had great success with DT Swiss wheels in the past. I chose the Squorx Pro Head Lock nipples as they can seemingly be set at any tension and retain it. I like to loosen the tension off on most wheels from stock, but this can lead to wheels falling apart quickly and needing constant tensioning. The Pro Lock nipples just stay in place and never seize. These spokes were made at the original DT Swiss plant in Biel, Switzerland, and the nipples are from DT's plant in Poland.
| Starting with the foundation of the United Wireworks 1634, just one mile away from the place where the DT Swiss Headquarter is located today. The home base in Biel, Switzerland is part of our DNA. Nevertheless, to meet the requirements of the big bicycle producers, as an internationally operating company we need to adapt ourselves. That means that we have production plants outside of Switzerland, like in Taiwan, USA and Poland, too.
But especially when it comes to R&D, we find the best conditions here in Europe. Which means the product management, the engineering department and the test laboratories are located in Switzerland. The same is true as well for a big part of the spoke production and the production of reduced and bladed spokes.—Friso Lorscheider – DT Swiss Marketing |
Vecnum moveLOC 200mm Dropper Post I am more than comfortable riding with a 150mm dropper, but there are many riders who have a shorter inseam than me and swear by a 150mm drop or more, so I thought I should get a 200mm drop post and get used to riding it. The only other options I am aware of in the same length is from Canadian brand 9.8. Eight Pins offer one too, but it's frame specific. The Vecnum moveLOC does not offer infinite adjustment; instead, it has presets at 0mm, 40mm, 100mm, and 200mm. So far, I don't mind forgoing the infinite adjustment. It's great to have the full height for efficient pedalling and then drop it 40mm for more technical climbing. Yes, I know this is possible with an infinite adjust, but it is also handy to have it click into a habitual place each time.
Probably the best feature of this massive post is that, if I were ordering a custom version of this frame, I could knock about 150mm off the seat tube height, lower the top tube and transform it from something that would be well camouflaged against a prison gate into a racey little number.
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| Manufacturing in our own facilities in Germany, for us, is just much more advantageous compared to manufacturing in Asia or elsewhere. The main reasons here are ease of innovation and quality control. Having design, engineering, and manufacturing under one roof allows very fast innovation cycles from the start of an idea to the finished product. Also, having direct control over manufacturing and assembly without third-parties involved guarantees our high standards regarding product quality and customer service.
Our products are 100% designed, engineered, manufactured and assembled in southern Germany in our own facilities. However, we still source some of our raw materials, such as aluminium blanks, from Asia.—Matthias – Vecnum Marketing |
66Sick Espacio Libre Saddle 66Sick is a German-based brand offering the Espacio Libre saddle in two different (129mm and 144mm) widths to suit your sit bones. Made in Italy by Selle Italia, the triple layer foam construction is comfy enough for long rides but I found the covering to be slippery with some of my riding short materials. 66Sick have just updated the cover material and are sending a new version over to check out.
| Yes, our saddles are made 100% made in Italy! Our cooperation with Selle Italia provides us with access to highest production quality standards and decades of experience in the saddle industry. It is a great pleasure to work with the industry market leader as our unique saddle shaping and design aspirations require passion and commitment from my whole team and all business partners to deliver a truly perfect end product to our customer. I personally review the quality of every saddle before it leaves our warehouse in Germany. Italy is not like overseas, it is just around the corner, which makes communication and collaboration much more efficient.—Sascha Meyenborg – CEO |
| When you first pose the question about whether or not a product is from the EU, the initial answer will be an assertive "Yes," but after digging deeper you find that it's not always 100% true.—Paul Aston |
Conclusion My biggest defeat was being beaten by the handlebar. I could have gone carbon with handlebars made in Germany, including BikeAhead Composites or Tune, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. With all of that glorious raw aluminum on display here, I wanted to keep this machine alloy all the way. I like this old Kore bar that came on my girlfriend's second-hand bike – it's 800mm wide with a 15mm rise. It was also one of the few bars that I had that would fit into the Intend Grace stem (the clamp design doesn't allow you to fit a high rise bar). Of course, you could probably nitpick a few more bits and pieces on the bike as not being truly EU-built. The rear sprockets were borrowed from an old cassette and not every single bolt or pedal pin is made in the EU, and materials are sourced from different places, but sometimes you just have to publish the article!
I also learned this: When you first pose the question about whether or not a product is from the EU, the initial answer will be an assertive "Yes," but after digging deeper you find that it's not always 100% true. Things like pedal pins, bearings and seals often come from elsewhere in the world. Superstar conceded, for instance, that their axles are made by a specialist in Asia. The same cold-forged product can be made in the UK, but the minimum order of one million plus makes it impossible to go EU-built on that small piece of the puzzle.
Finally, I found that just because something is made in the EU it doesn't necessarily mean it will be of a higher quality or perform better than products from the East. It also doesn't mean it will be in stock, arrive on time and or be impossible to break. Oh, and aside from the grips and pedals, it probably ain't going to be cheap either – excluding the handlebar, the bike as it stands is a few Euro's short of five figures.
Is it any good? Well, of course, I love it, I have to after I just spent six months building the damn thing. I've had a few rides on it so far and have been blown away by the grip and downhill performance, though, not so much in the other direction. I will be tweaking the setup to make it more lively in the middle ground, I think I can easily sacrifice some of the traction and still be well within my limits but speed things up where grip is not needed. Expect more in-depth reviews of many of the components in the future as I get more time on them.
but now I want a pretzel...so thanks for that
chainslapmag.com
Not exactly this bike, but the pole he’s doing these on is pretty long/slack too...
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There has to be a design limit though where a fork no longer has the structure to resist bending.
If you’ve ever gone from a slack head angle (single crown) to a steeper one there are several benefits of the steeper one. Bushing bind being one. Trail bikes don’t travel at the velocity of DH bikes where slacker angles will be more benefit than hindrance, you can reverse that for a trail bike. I can’t believe people are making trail bikes with these mental angles tbh. It’s rubbish. And reduced offset? What. The. Flip!? All things I’d want the absolute opposite of.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to your in depth articles about all this bike porn.
And i'm crazy jealous right now, you sodding B......
edit, nevermind, just wheels...
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Just plain stupid IMO.
I mean, why would you risk that much to save 50g?
I have had an Italian aluminum handlebar break on my road bike. It is not a pleasant experience...
Iv got a Renthal carbon and a sixc.
I prefer the sixc for vibration Comfort by quite a bit. Renthal is to stiff IMHO. Agree the Renthal has the nicer shape and sweep tho
Admittedly I have never snapped a carbon bar, but only because I've never used one. I have however bent 2 heavy duty aluminium bars, 1 of which wasn't even from crashing, just a new jump so crash-test-dummy, over shot it by miles, flat landing mainly on the front wheel, both sides of the bar bent downwards. But it didn't snap so I'm not eating through a straw
Can you please explain the thinking behind your "softly tensioned spokes" theory? It is an idea you push pretty hard, so I assume you have given it a lot of thought and can provide a more in depth explanation than simply reiterating that you think it makes the wheel more compliant. I really would like to hear your reasoning.
Fork fore/aft stiffness should be crucial for given head angle. Fork/frame connection also.
This bike parts are mainly Germany/UK/ a bit of Italy and a sourcing from Poland, some bits from Romania and Switzerland, aren't there really other GOOD quality- and price-wise brands in the old land of Europe? If someone's interested, polish brands Antidote (top quality carbon frames), which is oh-so-pricey, and cheaper, but very popular and good performing brands- NS, Dartmoor (at least i know that most of Dart alloy parts are made in Taichung, Taiwan; not sure 'bout NS) are really good contenders, so if You search for something european, check them out.
Cheers, build is impressive, even with this weird forks haha! Hope they designed and engineered it for some proper riding! Always in search of some other options (ofc big players have it pretty dialled, but just look at a new Formula downhill fork with a solid gazillion ways to adjust its performance, Storia shock, OR fcken Dugast tyres made to order, which were ridden to some insanely good results under Nino Schurter a while ago)
If you're lookin for some really hipster-every-part-numbered-and-signed brands, check out awesome Garbaruk components (Ukraine)- heard of some very light and top-tier chainrings, and Polish brand Candy Ray, which makes some really well engineered carbon parts (both brands are pricey, thou, but this kind of making your own rig so custom, and contact with those guys is on another level.
If you look for something REALLY standout (or weird, or just wtf?!), check out polish Dark Owl brand, they have a steel high pivot made to order (and probably ones preferences) four-bar downhill frame that just looks to get punished and go away unscathed (Antidote's Darkmatter is another example of polish high pivot, four bar linkage frame- with an asymetrical linkage, that drives the shock, just... outstanding) and speaking of Europe there's a brand called Sick! bicycles, these guys take 'low,long and slack' treatment to another level... And of course, so-freakin-innovative finnish Pole, with their CNCed alloy 'machine', that's one of its kind.
Don't forget Bold with their linkin frames with hidden shock, Deviate that makes awesome high-pivot, gearbox driven and well equipped bikes, Production Privee needs no introduces, Starling Cycles and their full-cromo Murmur, that put sme big brands' bikes to shame with it's awesome material-driven riding properties and proper geo, and a lot of manufacturers, that can make the frame to your own needs, with parts chosen by the end user (I still think of polish brand Zumbi, but don't know if they still weld their awesome alloy creations).
There's still lot to be mentioned, I just wrote, what comes to my mind at first, so other cool brands are welcome
Regarding the bars, have you had a look at Rust Components (rustcomponents.com)? They do a set of 20mm rise Titanium handlebars that would finish off that bike perfectly (that I'm currently lusting after myself...)
Guess it’s the point of the article, you pays your money and takes your choices; whether that’s local and niche or big brand from the Far East....
I am inclined to reward anyone who produces best quality for the best price. If it is an Asian guy, he has a better value for money for a reason - this is because he gets paid less (i.e. - lower cost of labour). Once I buy from him, I essentially make my small contribution to equalize living standards around the globe.
Or should I pay a premium to make a wealthy Western guy even wealthier? Well, why not, but only if he offers superior quality.
Customs duties? Again, what's so wrong about it - this is my small contribution to the social benefits in my country of living.
Shipping / environmental impact? Too difficult to quantify, but... China and India are doing many more than any other country these days to minimize the environmental footprint (I am talking about solar energy in particular). So, I am not inclined to overly simplify this.
They do kits for DT, Aivee, Duke, Mavic and their own hub, which is compatible with Spank hubs (but not officially).
I ran that crank for a bit and I cannot say I noticed excessive drag.
Anybody wann buy?
@paulaston
Maybe this would help with your chain retention problems. Some dedicated singlespeed cogs might be a good idea as well. Although it might be impossible to find european made singlespeed cogs. There used to be Singlestar, but they or rather he does not produce them anymore.
Imagine yourself riding down the trail, all the while that chain keeps running between your ankles. Not sure if it is dangerous, but it sure is something to get used to. The jumping is dangerous, because that drag slows your backwheel down, wich in turn starts to rotate your bike nose down as soon as you leave the ground.
What are frame designer and telefork manufacturers going to come up with in 5 years? What another "revolution"?
That says it all really. Back zoo zee draawing board Wolfgang
Just saying.
Just a touch of having a fully customised bike with carbon bars that are low quantity, rare item.
Sure polish brand Dartmoor make their alloy parts and frames in Taichung, Taiwan, but they're designed, tested, and engineered in Poland.
Aluminium Handlebars are (besides drivetrains other than gearboxes) the hardest to source within the EU
What kind of stem / stem jig was used for this testing? Size of steertube clamping bolts? Weight?
Can you really feel any improovement in headset alone - when using 90g stem and probably lite 800mm bars? Im sure not... Am I wrong?
OT: nice crafted H-SET
www.mtb-news.de/news/category/magazin/produkte/userbike-der-woche
Its sick ride tho, somehow 'exotic'
Formula, Trickstuff, Hope and possibly BFO are other options made in the EU.
Cheers, Paul.
Nuvinci with a Gates final drive! But then you need to find a 135 mm read frame.
They may not be built in the US. I don't know and don't care... But they are heavy!
'Tis a shame.
But why choose a chain over the Gates Carbon drive belt? Isn't the belt made in Europe?
It's a fun game to try playing for sure, but why just ignore some stuff when it was totally possible to do what was intended?
Pretty much my ideal bike
I guess somewhere around 36lbs, but I never weigh my own bikes as I think light weight is over-hyped – I am working on a series of articles about that soon.
Thanks, Paul
20-20 hindsight
youtu.be/gjhJULqhAXg
And the road and triathlon world are looking into cranks length more and more.
www.triradar.com/training-advice/are-short-cranks-faster
www.cyclingweekly.com/news/product-news/are-shorter-cranks-better-188288
Haha
You’re quoting triathlete articles on Pinkbike?
That is an entirely different sport. Have you noticed how their bikes are a subcategory of road bikes that barely even share a resemblance?
And their features are shaped by people who value jogging and swimming along with their pedalling?
And they don’t ride them off-road ever?
Sure short cranks are great for avoiding rock strikes.
So is learning how to ride.
But this trend of long slack and low geometry can only be pushed so far.
Bikes are mostly amazing these days but we aren’t all enduroing and short crankarms are a disadvantage unless you’re a short person.
World Cup downhillers don’t even use 165mm cranks anymore because of the loss of pedalling power.
> But I am interested in the concept of buying local; it's a positive thing... it saves on shipping costs, import taxes, fossil fuels, and you have more insight into who produced your products, how they are made and why.
This who article is virtue signaling with a snarky reminder thrown in that Paul Aston knows more about geometry than anyone else in the world.
If Aston lived in America he would have this on the back of his Tesla and just sit in the parking lot all day talking about the herculean undertaking of building the greatest bike of all time while drinking raw water and judging the poor and stupid all around him.
BUT I am lucky enough to have (probably) rode more bikes designed by the people who are pushing things forwards than anybody else?
Would you like a moist towelette for that burn?
And cool bike Paul!
Dude. You must be pretty insecure to take personal offense at this article and this dude’s bike and send insults his way. Most people just thought it was cool to see something different. Maybe time for a PB break? Go ride your bike or help an old lady across the street or something?
Buying from Asia makes Asians richer. This is a good thing and helps even out global income inequality.
www.nytimes.com/2017/04/27/opinion/do-sweatshops-lift-workers-out-of-poverty.html
Nice one SatanDan.
Appreciate the sarcasm. Also the machines make our phones not the childrens.
Life is hard, and the world is harsh. Reality sucks. However, due to the spread of manufacturing and globalization, extreme world poverty is shrinking, not growing.
Thanks for the read, good points. Racism comment is nonsensical but your other comments are worth considering.
Globalization is a one way street. I don’t see a way back. I think that for every farmer in Jamaica that lost their income due to allowing agricultural imports (see Life + Debt link below) there are a dozen people (or a thousand) elsewhere who have access to affordable basic goods like food, clothes, medicine that weren’t available before globalization.
m.imdb.com/title/tt0284262
Cause, basically, it proves wrong what you just said...
www.aei.org/publication/defense-sweatshops-theyre-often-best-fastest-way-poor-escape-poverty
both were from a discussion board about free trade, and tangented on sweatshops. What the NYT link misses is that people leave sweatshops because its a fast way to become literate and used to working indoors with modern equipment. Sweatshops give people with no skills on the job training and experience, which allows them to move up the income ladder. The West had a sweatshop economy in the 1800s, and transitioned to a modern service economy. You cant just jump from illiterate farmer to office worker or skilled craftsmen. Sweatshops have always been a transitional job for individuals and an economy as a whole.
I'm live in Vancouver and would tend to disagree that this is a good thing. Take a look at house prices and follow the money trail. Just saying'.....
You cannot argue against the fact that everyone has his own meaning of "best producer" and for a lot of people it makes zero sense to source a damn bike from the other side of the planet. So the entire racism-talk is an absolute, utter nonsense.
I just bought some E4s and they rock! Wait.... what does that make me in this discussion? Righteous because I’m supporting Hope instead of Asian production? Evil because my brakes flew here on a plane anyway? Should I have bought American-made brakes? Do they even exist? Can I go ride my bike now?
www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-pollution
Older article, but you get the point.