Magura has an entirely new lineup of brakes for 2012, including their top of the line MT8 that uses a carbon thermoplastic material for the entire lever assembling - including the master cylinder. Check out the details inside.
Complete makeover for brake lever:The newly developed Carboflow process delivers massive savings in lever weight by using short to medium length carbon fibers in a thermoplastic matrix. The new process has also resulted in a design profile that allows the reservoir to be integrated extremely unobtrusively. Also new is the option of fitting the same brake lever to the left or right on the handlebar. This is supported by the use of a divided handlebar clamp for ultra-fast fitting and removal. The trigger shifter or the new Magura remote lever is quick and easy to fit using the two optional “Shiftmix” and “Remotemix” clamps. Filling the brakes is a clean procedure using a T25 EBT bolt. All the other bolts have likewise been standardised to T25 which in turn allows the brakes to be fully fitted and adjusted using just one tool.
The top of the line MT8. With its comprehensive use of the finest materials and the substantial application of FE analysis, MAGURA's top of the range model pulls off the absolute optimum balance between weight and stability. The newly developed Carbotecture SL is used for the brake lever, together with carbon on the brake lever and the clamp which now weighs just 2 grams. Both the carbon clamp and carbon lever are the products of a new type of Carbolay process and thus provide top strength combined with the lowest possible weight. aluminum bolts reduce the overall weight still further. Excellent heat release is achieved with the brake caliper due to its open design and large surface area. Weight MT8: 278g including the 160 Storm SL rotor.
The one-piece brake caliper forged from a high performance aluminum alloy also delivers the ultimate in performance and safety on long downhill stretches with its superb heat release facility provided by the large surface area and open double arch design. Brake pads can be checked for wear and replaced as and when necessary from above without having to remove the wheel. The new MAGURA brakes (MT8, MT6, MT4) are supplied from the factory complete with a rotating hose fitting on the spoke side to prevent damage and to allow for a neat routing of the hose on a diverse range of frame designs.
Brake lever:MAGURA consulted with ergonomists and universities to develop a broader and more ergonomic brake lever that sits well in both large and small hands. The carbon version is manufactured from Carbolay which allows the fibers to be orientated according to the directional stress within the lever. The result is an extremely light, rigid and safe carbon lever.
Brake disks:All models are supplied with the high-stability Storm SL or Storm disks in 200mm, 180mm and 160mm sizes. The Storm SL is also available in 140mm as an option.
The MT6. The structure of the brake lever is identical to that of the MT8, except for the use of an aluminum brake lever and aluminum clamp. Not quite so much weight is saved with the brake caliper as on the MT8 but the additional cooling fins compensate for this. Weight MT6: 310g including the 160 Storm SL rotor
MAGURA Evolutionary Features:•
Anti-SquealA combination of coordinated brake pads and brake disk design counteracts the development of brake noise.
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Anti-DragNewly developed sealing rings and a modified piston design ensure that even when operated in temperatures below zero or extremely muddy conditions the pistons always return to their original position and do not grind on the disk.
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Anti-HeatThe entire system of the MT brake calipers is designed to release heat quickly into the atmosphere and prevent a reduction in performance.
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Royal BloodMAGURA continues to rely on high-performance mineral oil as a brake fluid. With respect to health concerns it is completely harmless on contact with the skin and, unlike DOT, it does not absorb water over time and so no annual bleeding is necessary.
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WarrantyOf course, the famous MAGURA five-year leak-proof warranty applies to the new brakes as well.
The brake lever of the MT4 is manufactured from Carbotecture. As with the models toward the top end of the range, stability and rigidity are retained by using a greater capacity and wall thickness. Tool-free centre-of-pressure adjustment is also incorporated into the brake lever. The brake caliper is identical to that of the MT6. Weight MT4: 320g including the 160 Storm SL rotor
The MT2.As with the MT4, the brake lever supplied on the basic model in the MT range is made from Carbotecture. The lever and clamp are manufactured from aluminum. The two piece brake caliper provides for a more economic production process, and Magura passes on this price advantage directly to the end customer. As a basic model, the MT2 is only behind its bigger sisters in tipping the scales, as it delivers the same braking power and optimum lever geometry as the models toward the top end of the range. Value for money even for the thrifty - and for all those who aspire to thrift. Weight MT2: 335g including the 160 Storm SL rotor.
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There is no doubt that Magura is looking good for 2012, especially the top tier MT8 - is this the first mountain bike brake that uses a carbon master cylinder? None of us have had time on the new stoppers yet, but let's hear what you think about Magura using these materials in new places.
Drea: I base it on my time working in the bike industry, mostly as a shop mechanic. Every time I'd had contact with Magura UK regarding problems with brakes or forks, it's been like banging my head against a brick wall. It's got to the point where I won't touch the forks at all now, and if a customer brings in a Magura brake, I won't go any further than pads/bleed. Just not worth the hassle. I've actually been told by (some on the phone at) Magura UK that they consider their own brakes ready for the bin inside of 3 years.
On the other hand, Hope recently apologised for no longer holding stock of service parts for a brake they stopped producing 12 years ago. Also, Avid/Fishers and Shimano/Madison seem to have a 'send out a warrenty replacement first, ask questions later' policy. Why anyone would deviate from those 3, I don't know. If Silverfish can turn around the supply and service problems with Formula, then maybe they too could become a good option?
But Magura? NEVER!
Looks like in the US you face the same problems I face in Europe with some US brands!
When I got my Scratch with the rear shok assembled upside down and the rear triangle twisted I got to use a lawyer to get my problems solved.
With forks fox the problem is very similar, the same happened to Crank Brothers wheels and on and on....
If you go to a company web site and look for the distributor at your country, many times the stated one do not exist anymore.
So really international companies are less than the claimed ones?
By the way- I will buy it since is a masterpiece of engeniering.
Cheers
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
I dodn't think I'm ever gonna change brakes - if magura consistently keeps making product like today I'll be in the brake people clan.
As for Avid and Shimano- I dodn't know these product, but I guess it's just good sales policy-I spot these on 90% of bikes in stock, but that doesn't make them better or worse.
It's just policy.
I dodn't think I'm ever gonna change brakes - if magura consistently keeps making product like today I'll be in the brake people clan.
As for Avid and Shimano- I dodn't know these product, but I guess it's just good sales policy-I spot these on 90% of bikes in stock, but that doesn't make them better or worse.
It's just policy.
cheers
www.bike-components.de/products/info/p27260_MT8-Carbotecture--v-h-Set-Scheibenbremse-.html
www.mountainflyermagazine.com/view.php/win-cool-stuff-from-magura-worth-780.html
Now, lets compare them to a very high end company, that has been making top of the line performance braking products for motocross and MTB for decades. All hand made, in a country that is extremely famous for their engineering revolutions and quality. Magura developed an entire new way of laying up carbon, no other company has even thought of trying. They have a warranty that blows hayes out of the water, and i know for a fact, work 10 times better then hayes, as i have tried both company's top of the line brake for more then one season. Sure, in north America, hayes is more popular, but if you go to Europe, Magura and their immaculate legacy take over. Magura make the best brakes in the world, period. Not to mention the pieces of shit hayes have made in the past. Also, the MT8 is selling for 1200$ a set, and that's without many extra's magura offer.
Stop pretending you know anything about Magura, cause you don't.
I will say that Formula is better than Magura, though. WAY nicer brakes, and way more powerful too!
Also as you seem to want to use price as a basis for quality, the Formula R1s are $288 each, plus $120 each brake for the carbon lever blade upgrade. So a full set would be over $800. Does that make them good? Not to me, but it does make them fancy.
I'm not trying to piss on anyone's glory but form personal experience:
The magura forum is really helpful here in the US. I order my brakes directly from magura and talk to somebody on the phone to do so. I like the car analogy you guy used as it really reflect my personal experience with different brands.
Magura are like the Mercedes, you can drive them in the sand, snow, mud, and grime. They will keep on working consistently no matter what abuse you give them for years.
Formula are like Ferraries. They are light powerful and good looking but to ME are a pain to service and adjust. They might be the best brakes out there but are unreliable. Also why is the pad adjust knob so bloody hard to turn?
The new hayes are like Chevrolet. They make nice products as of late. They work properly but there is something about them that need a bit more polishing and heritage.
Avid are the Japanese performance cars (evo, sti?) They perform good but are a bit rough. For the price/performance stand, they are a clear winner.
Shimano Saints were on par with magura with the single piston model. The new 4 pistons model is just like driving a top fuel car on the street. It requires a lot of delicateness or they will kill you. Bleeding 4 pistons calipers is never fun as well.
Hopes are like kit cars. You can do whatever you want form the factory and not bond to buy what you do not want which is excellent to fulfill a specific need.. The problem with custom is the you only have bragging right for it. The brakes you have just put together will very likely be on par in term of performance with any of the brakes above put cost a pretty penny.
Oh and remember, when calling support, the voice at the end of the line is another human being. Being truthful about what REALLY happened to your part will most likely guarantee you savings in the long run. Contacts that can be gained not being a douche have rewards. I do not know about the magura forks and never seen one in real life so it is not really a surprise most shop do not know how to fornicate with them. Not doubting the guy with the horror story with the forks but when you have a problem that is not getting solved, you want to talk to eagles, the top of the food chain. All the ducks do not have the same view as the one of an eagle. Most duck when in doubt will send the superior duck whom has a bit more power and knowledge than the common duck but at the end of the day a duck is a duck! Call the bloody eagle!!!
Magura's bleed the exact same way shimano's do, which is very easy, they have the best modulation around, and the gustav is probably one of the most powerful brakes EVER made, Everything that you have said has been some of the most ill informed GARBAGE i have ever heard. I'm gonna top arguing with some head strong twat who thinks he's right about components he's never even tried. I had Louise BAT carbons for 2 season, they never needed a bleed, and i rode over 60 days in the whistler bike park on them, for both seasons. not to mention the plethora of other riding i do. Your Opinion is so invalid, it's not even funny.
Have fun being an ignorant, it truly is bliss.
I can only speak based on my personal experiences, but for me every single Magura brake I've seen or had to work on has been crap. The only good part about them is that they're so bad that it's easy to convince a customer to upgrade his or her brakes to something that works consistently like a Shimano or Avid brake.
You may not agree with my opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. Go back to charm school and learn some manners, child.
I own 2004 louise and 2010 louise BAT.
Never bled the BAT, cut the line to my liking, plug it back without bleeding the system. Changed the pads twice and still never bled the system. That sucks you've had a poor experience with magura but try to keep an open mind.
I've had terrible luck with formula brakes, they are like divas and are a pain to bleed. they sometime worked fined but out of blue they would start acting up. It doesn't mean i hate formula and i will not go around saying they are crap because i'm the only one who has bad experiences with them.
Today i would recommend formulas to peoples with small hands because the lever is more comfortable to them (yes they are a pain to me but i'd rather spend my sweet time figuring them out and have the customer happy). For amateurs and open minded peoples, i would still recommend Louise BAT for consistency. For adult on the heavier side of the scale, saints. But in general the most popular brakes are the elixirs because they are on most build kit so shops carry pads in their inventory.
I am keeping an open mind, but every Magura I've come across has been utter crap; there wasn't a good Magura brake in there that I could gain any positive insight or opinion from. I'm not the only person with this opinion, all of my friends who are mechanics feel the same way. We wouldn't run Magura brakes on our bikes if someone paid us. Might as well dig our own graves if we did that.