Press ReleaseFollowing on from the SHAN 26, the SHAN 27, the OKA and the SHAN GT, we bring you our fifth frame, the SHAN N°5. We first outlined this project two years ago, but the developmental pace picked up rapidly at the beginning of 2016.
Once the design had been confirmed, the fabrication of the first two prototypes was left to our Pyrenean friends at Milc, a small company specialising in prototype production.
We’ve been intensively (and discreetly) testing the N°5 since May. After 8 months of trail testing, adjustments, suspension tests, and general weeding out of any issues, the SHAN N°5 was born.
As with all our frames in the SHAN range, we’ve created a playful bike with superb versatility, but without sacrificing the comfort and performance a modern full-suspension bike can bring. Throw a steel frame into the mix and you’ve got something very special indeed. The compliance, energy and feel you get from 4130 CroMo tubes is just… magical.
The first pre-series arrives around April, with the first production bikes scheduled for June. We’ve still got a bit of work to do before then, but we will let you know about some tech, specs and price in March.
Like all of our frames, the paint job is chosen with pride at Production Privee. We will release it in March, but be sure SHAN Nº5 will take inspiration from iconic cars like our previous bikes…
This video will hopefully allow you to imagine yourselves by our sides during the last few months of the project.
As good news never comes alone, we are also launching our brand new website at the same time:
www.productionprivee.com
MENTIONS: @ProductionPrivee
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Also. Pivots above the wheel axle do very little for brake squat btw. That's why people want four bar, and not faux bar.
This simple linkage drive single pivot has the potential to work pretty well, even without the extra seatstay link which really doesn't do a heck of a lot of anything for break jack - as I understand it. Yes, VPP and FSR is nice sure - I just sold a Norco Range, I've owned a Nomad, and I own a Banshee Rune along side a 111 right now, and I have to say the Process is my favorite ride. Sure it might squat and skip under heavy braking a little more, as this bike might, but I don't mind it. Looks to me however, that they have placed the main pivot in an area on the bike that should minimize that.
As for pedal kickback and anti-squat (which on a single pivot also ties directly into how efficient it pedals, as I understand it), I doubt either is going to be a huge concern as long as the frame is optimized around the current 1x set-up; but sure, hard to comment on without knowing but given how well most single pivots work these days, I doubt it will be an issue.
Regardless...the point is, without knowing more on the specifics, how can you just slag on the bike because of it's simplicity without knowing more?
Yes, you are 100% right, you should not.
I am so happy I no longer do this sht. But trust me, you don't do that, you don't win the contract. How cool is that? PEOPLE WANT TO BE CHEATED! Propaganda doesn't grow on resistant land. It flourishes on pliable ground. Go and shoot everyone around you.
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I dont think these steel Prod Privi are all that innovative.
The frame just needs to work and perhaps last a while.
They are limited run boutique frames .
I watched the video.
They take tame and many measurments for each and every part that makes up the frame.
Its not about numbers or cute acronyms.
These bikes are all about old school craftsman ship.
Its about feeling good about what you ride.
Spesh engeneers and desighners are awesome.
But spesh bikes are not boutique.
youre thinking of the starling murmur
dirtmountainbike.com/news/starling-cycles-releases-murmur-steel-29er.html
Good morning! It's going to be a great day!
Funny thing is, the only bike I own right now is a steel 26" hardtail with flats and a 150mm fork that I ride dh on lol.
£1800 for a frame results in a £4k build, easily - Is that not 'dentist' money still or is everybody a lot richer than me (probably true)
I do like the frame though but think a simple single pivot steel bike should be accesible in price - and probably could be if purchased in bulk - I bet we could get a frame like this down to £600 retail with a budget shock considering a 4130 HT frame can be had for around £250 direct sale.
On-one was the kind of business model I was using as an example, start introducing dealers, race teams and large marketing budgets and everything costs more.
The reality is though, people wouldnt buy a simple bare-bones frame with sensible suspension kinematics and modern geometry as it would look too simple and be heavier than the competition and much less fancy.
I have also looked into producing my own frame. Found steel wholesalers, etc.. Air hardened tubing can be had for less than $200usd for a full frame. I could sell my hand made, air hardened frames for $500-$600. (I HAVE to work, so it'd be an art's and crafts kinda thing). But I can TIG weld, braze, paint, have a friend with a frame fixture.. Friends with a commercial powdercoater. I actually can't believe people pay $1000 or more for a steel HT frame made overseas.
I want to know how OnOne does it. Fun for the dollar, big box brands should be suing OnOne.
Mass produced, yeah - but this isn't that.
Not comparing mass produced with the production privee frame, just openly thinking about the potential to get a simple single pivot frame in at a very low price.
@oldschool - for the respect of On One owner as a bike designer I will skip pledge of contempt for that particular brand of his. After all... why do we even have rear suspension on bicycles? A few plumbing pipes welded together, without even bothering to bend them... oh sorry I promised.
Yea frame building your hobby, Please try to make living out of that, try to feed family with it, pay taxes, do stuff with high environmental and work place standards (like paying employees for treating work related injuries) and then come back to me with selling steel frames for 300$. Then please try to find time and money for riding. Good luck mate.
This is a frame that costed 500$ in Poland, like 8 years ago. A beauty
www.bikekatalog.pl/2010/ppg_fotki/foto_big/8_51618_03_01_10.jpg
ignore the fancy custom cnc bits and I know hangers / dropouts will be stocked in varying designs by a large overseas manufacturer so cheap, leaves a few bits like laser cut and finish machined shock plates etc.
Also a monarch rtc3 is only 200 retail and is good enough for an entry level frame thats for sure, feels fine on a smuggler etc...
Anyway its just a brain fart and well off topic anyway.
What a f*cking RIDICULOUS comment!
I don't understand why anyone would lament a 44mm head tube though. Buying a 56 to 1.125 headset is exactly the same as buying a 44 x 1.125, with the added bonus of being able to use a tapered fork. There is literally no downside to using a 44/56.
alutech-cycles.com/ICB20_1
alutech-cycles.com/ICB20
a (very) german forums idea of the ideal trail bike
i should add that with my recent experience with aluminium frames i am more interested in a steel fs-frame than ever...
www.portus-cycles.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/portus_pbe2016-2-e1483884093308.jpg
3,2 kg frame weight which is in the ballpark of my recently deceased Banshee but i bet its going to last a lot longer...
How many ways do you think a single pivot can be designed to look?
What you are suggesting is creating a 'novel' looking design despite the fact it may not work as well, I can imagine some brands change design becase they dont want their product to look too much like the competition as somebody will moan.
Single pivots are a simple construction - there is only so much that you can or would want to do to make it different - they are not womens shoes.
Steel is actually stiffer than aluminium, only by using smaller diameter and thinner wall tubing do you gain 'compliance' over an aluminium frame.
What if the compliance is engineered to allow a small amount of movement which works to reduce transmission of vibrations etc that are not removed by the suspension system - would that still be bad?
Are those PF BB bearings in the pivot?
Even the choice of music is perfect...
Bravo les gars.
If you think steel is overpriced and hate single pivot you can go to hell! :p
The simplicity of the Shan is appealing and kind of crosses over to my yearning for a hardtail.
Downvotes are supposed to correct untruths, not feelings or preferences.
But again, it's pinkbike not some critical thinking forum, so you really cant place much value in it.
the shock can accomplish all the tuning needs these days...no need for fancy linkages anymore.
Multi pivot designs allow the desginer to tune the interaction of braking forces on the suspension system and more easily seperate various parameters such as anti squat, leverage ratio etc.
I am a firm believer though that a nice progressive leverage curve (read predictable) on a single pivot with a well chosen pivot location is a bike that is easier to ride fast than a VPP with a constantly changing leverage curve and poor geometry - The bikes that are real gems have it all.
Right....now I'll ready myself for my own incoming downvotes in 3....2.....1.....
I don't know. I guess it's just a different interpretation of what we see. I would have said the market was dominated by Horst link bikes if anything. I could be wrong.
Treks are single pivots but the abp helps to isolate braking forces.
I have pictures of it but I'm not allowed to show them unfortunately. It's pretty amazing, I can say that.
I'm quoting info so not me at fault
Get the hell out of here, taking a step back is not innovative, it's just being retro. I would have said it was cool if they said it was supposed to be nostalgic.
I'm not buying that BS about compliance of steel vs the drawback of modern FS frames. I'll stick with carbon in addition to advanced cad design that create lightweight compliant modern frames.