You can’t make carbon-fiber, full-suspension mountain bikes in the United States. This is a simple truth. The sky is blue, water is wet and the odds of you ever buying a cutting-edge, plastic-fantastic, dualie crafted here in the states are somewhere between slim and not-a-damn-chance. Cue the math. Back in 2014, 99 percent of the 17.8 million bicycles imported into the United States, came from overseas—the vast majority from China and Taiwan. Ninety. Nine. Percent.
And yet, look at this bike here—the Alchemy Arktos—a very sleek, very sexy, very carbon bike that was very much built here, in the United States. The people at Alchemy somehow made the impossible possible. How (and why) did that happen?
Breaking the Mold
Alchemy Bikes started life eight years ago. For seven of those years, Matt Maczuzak, Vice President of R&D, has been wielding the protractor and welding torch. The Denver, Colorado-based company still has a few ti frames in their line, but composite bikes like the all-mountain Arktos model, have quickly become the bulk of their business. Everything is done in house—cutting the molds, molding the frames, painting the bikes. Raw materials roll in, complete bikes roll out. Built in the USofA, soup to nuts.
So, how the hell do you do that when the rest of the bike industry has shrugged off the very idea of building in America as too expensive a proposition?
“Well, it’s about investing in the engineering and design up front. We spent a lot of time and effort figuring out how do we build this thing as smartly and efficiently as humanly possible. It’s the way we mold it and the way we process it afterwards.”
Fabricating a frame isn’t cheap. Building a composite, full-suspension bike frame—what just might be the most labor-intensive, hand built sporting goods’ product on earth—is a whole new level of pricey….which is why most full-suspension frames (carbon and aluminum alike) are built in Taiwan and (increasingly) China where labor costs have traditionally been low. How can a bike company pay someone in North America or Europe a living wage to build a carbon bike without the bike becoming ridiculously expensive in the process?
“Labor is the big differential,” admits Maczuzak. “Technology is equal here and in Asia, so what you are paying for is labor. We pay our employees very well, we have very highly skilled people working for us and that makes a difference. If you go to an Asian factory you’ll see that they break down one process into 50 different steps because it is no longer a skilled labor. One person does one little task and the next person in line does another little task. We have very skilled guys who handle it all the way from the mold to paint. To make that work, you have to design a process that lets you do it this way while still being efficient.”
Okay, if this
can be done, why isn’t it done more often?
“Because it’s so easy
not to. It takes a whole lot of blood sweat and tears to get to this point. It’s much easier just to call up somebody in Taiwan or China and say, ‘Here’s my design. I’ll pick up my bikes in nine months.’
Labor costs in China are still significantly lower than those in North America, which is why you are undoubtedly reading this story on a smart phone or computer built in Asia. Wages and energy costs in China, however, are beginning to rise. Don’t expect carbon bikes to start popping out of molds from Texas to Toronto, but if the cost of building in China continues to rise, bike brands will need to start investigating their options all over again.
It’s easier—a lot easier—to build bikes in China and Taiwan, but is there actually a downside to doing it overseas that way?
“Look, there are great bikes being made all over the world—and that includes China and Taiwan," says Maczuzak. "I’m not trying to say one thing is inherently better. But we grew out of a program where we did everything in house, so it was only natural for us to attempt to do this in house as well. And there are other companies giving it a go. Trek is making some great bikes in the States. Cannondale used to make great carbon bikes in the States. And you see a lot of the people in our group, the NAHBS [ed. North American Handmade Bicycle Show] builders, doing it. The Alchemys, the Crumptons, the Argonauts…it’s growing this movement of companies doing composite here in the states. So, it can be done and you’re starting to see more of it happen organically."
Is Alchemy hoping to spark something bigger here? Something like a movement of building more composite bikes in the States?
"That'd be great," says Maczuzak. "But I can't say that we’re not setting out to do that. We just want to build the best bike we can ourselves. But if we helped start something bigger than that, that’d be a nice perk. Absolutely."
Okay, let's get down to brass tacks here. The Alchemy Arktos frame sells for $3,799. How does that price compare with what you'd pay for a carbon super bike made overseas? You can currently expect to pay between $2,200 and $3,500 for a carbon full-suspension bike from Taiwan or China. Devinci's latest Troy frame, for instance, has a 2017 price tag of $2,239, whereas Yeti's SB6c frame sells for $3,500. The mean average is about $2,850. I realize that a data set of just two bikes isn't a representative sample size, but still, it's a starting point. Most riders currently expect to pay about $3,000 for a carbon dualie frame. Is a 25 to 30 percent up charge (based on that average price) worth it to you if it means you're getting something that's been made in America?
No one, not even the Alchemy guys, is suggesting that all bikes made overseas are of the same quality. Nor are they saying that bikes made in the U.S. are of inherently higher quality than bikes built in Taiwan or China. So, what
are the actual benefits of buying a composite bike made in the USA? Alchemy has the technology and capability, so they’re doing it, but why should a rider looking for their next bike actually care?
“Well, we like making bikes in the United States, because we have complete control of everything going on,” says Maczuzak. "I’m the guy designing the molds. I’m cutting them on our CNC machine and I’m putting the bikes into production. I’m there every day in the shop, watching every bike come through. It’s not a USA versus Asia thing for us. It’s just what we know and what we do best. The only advantage for us is that we have our hands on what’s coming out of our factory. We have control over the product that has our name on it. If riders are into that too, we have bikes for them.”
That said, alchemy never once waved the flag in their interview, and their frame looks every bit as good as my SC LTC or a Pivot Carbon. I hope things go well for these guys. Their linkage is spot on too.
Being an Australian though, I wouldn't pay an extra 30% for US-Made. I would pay extra for Australian made though... I do see the 'bigger picture' value in keeping all profits inside the local economy.
It's actually a pretty rigid legal term. "Assembled in USA" is a different term, which is likely what you're thinking of.
Not saying youre wrong in any way if that's your experience, but from the countless Hope products I've used and still have running nearly 7 years later (pro 2 hubs, headsets and BB's - I've had a couple of these...) they're honestly as good as new and that's in Grim and Gritty British Weather! Same could be said by every person I've ever talked about Hope stuff with. Really surprised you've had issues with them! Also if you do have issues their customer service is quite simply astounding. Give em a call and they'll go out of their way to make sure you get sorted. not trying to argue or anything. Cheers, Sam.
"That is, all significant parts, processing, and labor that go into the product must be of U.S. origin. Products should not contain any – or should contain only negligible – foreign content."
Again, you're confusing "Made in USA" with "Assembled in USA". They are completely different, and the former cannot be used as a substitute for the latter under Federal Law.
www.ftc.gov/news-events/media-resources/tools-consumers/made-usa
I get that the world of ever-changing "standards" is annoying, but I still think referring to it as obsolescence is a bit much. If even a few people want to buy something, someone's going to make it.
madeinusachallenge.com/2012/defining-made-in-america
75% of all manufacturing costs.
I get the feeling you're pretty sold on whatever it is you want to believe here, and best of luck with that, but again, you're wrong. The FTC's own words make it clear that only negligible content can be foreign sourced. Literally look up three posts and you won't even have to bother clicking on any links, because I quoted the FTC for you.
I'd say try talking to them after Sea Otter and it'll probably be a better experience.
But on another hand, spider eats the fly. Stronger survives, nature never favors weakness. Only time will tell if the fly wasn't poisonous...
something to eat instead, and use water from their wells for fuking drinking? Therefore I also try to buy as much food produced in EU as I can. Is biking industry clean of such practices? Especially when it comes to environmental pollution, while bikes are made using tons of dangerous chemicals? How can we say that it is better than 16 yr old gets anything and is exposed to chemicals, than if he had nothing to do? Pushing on Cheap pricing is not developing their life quality in any way. That's my problem. Mybiggest problem though is all those people whining on high prices while I see plenty of products out there which are too cheap. They are so cheap they smell sweat shop. Then there are things going inother direction: how come a Nukeproof or DT350 hubs (made in Asia), cost the same as Hope made in UK? WHAT ThE fk? When things are made locally there's better controlover what is going on. As simple as that.
As for Nukeproof or DT Swiss, perhaps they have proven that they're able to produce the same (or better) quality of product abroad as consistently as their domestic competitors. Aside from marketing, that's the only way I could see Americans paying the same amount for their products. I can't actually speak to the quality of either, but Gwin's 2014 Leogang run indicates that DT Swiss products aren't exactly unreliable.
As I said I am no hippie idiot, I hate them, but many things in our liberitarian world are fkd up. I can live with alot of that, stronger survives and nature never favors weakness, but I am not going to say that My hands are clean. They are full of sht.
If I understand correctly, the argument the OP was making was that by not buying these products, companies would be forced into providing their workers humane conditions. But those companies might also decide to pack-up and leave China/Taiwan/Bangladesh, etc. entirely and move back to their domestic markets. Are the employees that were let go substantially any better or worse off? I'm not entirely sure, so I'm not going to try to answer this.
"Hey mom, I am leaving the farm...you know I love it here, but there is a job where I work 12 hours, 7 days a week, and get paid next to nothing...oh, and will shorten my life due to exposure to chemicals and other environmental hazards...tell dad I said goodbye."
said no one ever...
I don't pretend to know the details of overseas work conditions, but I understand there is demand for the jobs. If the alternative to working in the factory was better, that wouldn't be the case. Again, apologies for me ignorance, I was just using logic.
I take it you've never worked in a factory saying crap about farmers being exposed to chemicals haha
Factories are full of chemicals. Not grass and corn.
Check out the amazing documentary "manufactured landscapes"; both awe inspiring and depressing showing the devastating impact mass market manufacturing has had on the environment and workforce in Asia
reviews.mtbr.com/interbike-2015-alchemy-launches-27-5-arktos-trail-bike
The rear is still made in good old Asia.
Don't be over the top though. Black stickers on those Enve rims would showcase the frame better. And is it just me or are the rider and bike a huge mismatch in size in the last image?
...where else would they come from? Mexico and Canada? 99% sounds about right to me.
Injection molding uses shorter fibers than what you get with a laid up thermosetting cf process. Typically the part stiffness and and drops off also with the shorter fibers. It works reasonably well for smaller parts where the chopped fibers are closer in length to part geometry. Look and time use that process for some road pedals. Magura uses something similar for brake levers. It doesn't transfer over as well to making frames. There have only been a few companies to try and metal cast a frame. They weren't very successful.
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Did something change, or did the minor detail that half the frame isn't actually made in the U.S.A. get buried... and, as you say, it makes a difference because they are clearly touting the "MADE IN 'MERICA" story, NOT because Taiwan.
This is a very poorly worded stat. And it's not very helpful. I don't know how may bikes were made in 2014, and I don't know how may were made in Taiwan or China.
fun fact: the US of A is connected to a whole bunch of countries by land.
Could ultimately bring more onto home soil, and prices will change with production numbers..... or, not everyone can afford a Porsche, so buy an Audi because it is in your price range.
Obviously only a few have hit dirt with reviews tricking in slowly and positive yet vague thus far. I'm an Ibis rider but interested in the sleek lines and geometry. The TT seems a touch shorter than I might like but I'm interested in a comparison if anyone can provide? HD3 to Arktos? SB6c to Arktos? Pivot...anyone got an apples to apples educated comment or review?
I heared their margins for distributors are very bad, so they won't sell a lot of bikes outside the US.
This is actually a huge plus if they stay on top of quality control. I used to work for a company who specialized in aftermarket performance car parts, Even after visiting/intelligently choosing factories on the front end, we used to cross our fingers when products would leave China. Although the cost savings was phenomenal, we had to offer a "no questions asked", lifetime warranty on product, for Customer satisfaction & PR reasons ughhhhhhh
The costs are how much engineering time they have into it. I bet at the end of the day, after utilities are paid, and material is purchased, they have $1000 into a single mold.
Design time on the other hand.....
Vans skate shoes were made for years in So Cal by cheap Mexican labour before the family business decided it made sense to exploit people further afield and i still wear vans and play fender guitars so neg prop away for my half baked ill informed global economic bullshit
Os gringos não vão entender nada!!!
We like bikes that are not made in China/Taiwan like our Nicolais or Litevilles :-)
Balls, lick em