Specialized Welcomes Jared Graves to the Team

Dec 16, 2015
by I Am Specialized  
Specialized is extremely excited to announce that the 2014 Enduro World Series Champion, Jared Graves, has joined the Specialized Racing Factory Enduro team. Graves' accomplishments on the bicycle are unrivaled, having garnered countless Enduro World Series, 4-Cross, Dual Slalom, and Downhill victories - he was even selected to represent Australia in BMX at the 2008 Olympics, where he went on to finish an impressive 6th. Needless to say, he's one of the hardest working professional athletes in cycling.

bigquotesI am so stoked to join forces with Specialized. No other brand has the full complement of top-shelf bikes and gear and the level of commitment to success. The whole team is set up really well with the best support, the best mechanics, and the best teammates. Racing with my old buddy, Curtis Keene, is going to be unreal. We have been buds forever, and now to be teammates, I am confident we can help each other and both become better riders through the process. - Jared Graves

Graves will be racing primarily aboard the Enduro 650b and relying on Roval wheels, Specialized 2FO shoes, Ambush and Dissident helmets, plus Specialized apparel, gloves, and tires.

bigquotesJared is pure class - you won't find another athlete that trains as hard or puts as much into his efforts as him. There's a reason why Jared has always been up front and it's no secret - he's not afraid to put in the hard work in order to consistently get the results. Besides that, he's a gentleman off the bike and can always be counted on to be the life of the party. We're beyond excited to welcome him to the team and look forward to making some great memories together. - Gavin Noble, Manager of the Specialized Racing Factory Mountain Bike program

Check out a sweet video of Specialized welcoming Jared to their team, here:


About Specialized
Specialized Bicycle Components was founded in 1974 by riders for riders. Based in Northern California, we focus on the rider’s need for functional and technically advanced products that provide a performance benefit. 


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  • 557 84
 What to do when favorite racer joins most hated bike company?
  • 413 14
 I know! Maybe its time we dig our own Graves.
  • 75 2
 just call @Protour
  • 203 3
 Support him for the man that he is because he is a great man.
  • 36 2
 I like how they put in the "About Specialized" part as if we don't know who they are. I have never owned one of their bikes so I don't really have an opinion on them but they do sponsor some really good riders so that is cool.
  • 144 59
 Why is Specialized most hated bike company? I think that their bikes speaks for themselfs and they are damm good also
  • 162 23
 @GumpiDemo it's not the bikes, it's the company.
  • 21 3
 Well, looks like the EWS outlook for Spesh just improved dramatically. Let's see how much of this can be chalked up to the magic of Switch Infinity.
  • 67 63
 What is wrong with specialized?
  • 101 47
 I don't know why people hate Specialized... they do a few sketchy things like suing shops that use their name but they make good bikes, stand behind their warranty, etc. There are certainly worse companies out there.
  • 180 28
 @Alias530 theres nothing worse than a global giant that harasses completely unrelated small businesses.
  • 93 7
 Specialized has done plenty to attract hate. I'm a big fan of Spec but I don't blame anyone for not being a fan of the company. The only time I have a problem is when some fanboy makes the claim that Spec's bike are less than excellent. That's simply not true. Any reasonable bike enthusiast with experience knows Specialized bikes are top notch. The company may be a bit of a dick, but that doesn't affect their bikes in any way.
  • 3 7
flag rickaybobbay (Dec 16, 2015 at 10:35) (Below Threshold)
 Idk but proto ur must be taking this hard
  • 57 3
 i've owned a couple specialized bikes and loved them, but I get what pisses people off - it's all the proprietary stuff they do. I own the 2010 enduro, and it came with a custom mount, custom stroke Fox RP23. You can not upgrade this rear shock, and it's the weak point on what is an otherwise really great bike. You're left with the option of chasing down a rare, custom, aftermarket shock, machining one yourself, or dumping the bike. Other manufacturers have found ways around this shock mount, so it feels like they're being a PITA because they can be because of their size. Even now, the Enduros have a specific shock mount (and maybe stroke?) but at least there is support from 3-4 suspension manufacturers. Still, I'd love to run the new Enduro and use a Fox Float X2. For now, that is impossible, and that's lame.
  • 17 11
 To clarify, I don't hate Specialized for their bikes. Their S-Works program are arguably the best bikes in the world. Really. Go ride one, you'll hate them too! Razz
  • 164 14
 When Specialized names one of their bike models, they feel like God himself came down from Heaven and gave them all rights to that word. (Suing Stumpdown Mountain Bikes, Epic Designs, Epic Wheel Works, and Cafe Roubaix all in the recent past.) Thats like Paris Hilton trying to sue people for saying "Thats Hot." Kinda a dick move. Maybe France should sue them for using Roubaix, Fatboy Slim sue them for using his name, and The Quaker Oats Company (Cap'n Crunch) sue them for one of their tires in production. CEO stated that 27.5 was a stupid idea and that the 29er was all the world needed. I never saw a published apology from him when they started producing them. Kinda a dick move. They are one of the largest and wealthiest companies in cycling. Instead of supporting change in the bicycle community and paving new bike paths and trails they think it's better to downplay innovation and drop money into ridiculously stupid court cases. Kinda a dick move.

Here's an article that sums this all up: ridingagainstthegrain.com/2013/12/08/an-open-letter-to-mike-sinyard

Happy pedaling.
  • 16 2
 send a message to them by buying something else. like any company, the bottom line is the biggest factor. I think they look pretty nice but probably won't be buying one anytime soon. I like to support smaller companies when I can. Happy for Jared and can't wait to watch him smash trails next year!
  • 11 9
 Have you rode an Enduro 29er? @dirtworks911
  • 14 5
 "Litigate or Die"? Nah, I'll rock hard, hop rocks, and jump stumps on something else.
  • 20 4
 Curtis is going to be Keene to ride with Graves.
  • 62 22
 According to the lecture Sinyard did (how many of you even know how the guy looks like) Spec went on a suing crusade against counterfeits. They hired a lawyer to chase down the basterds making dangerous fakes (Just to clarify I have little sympathy for people who bought fakes and any form of ass-cheap carbon - you do deserve to scrape your teeth on asphalt or get that 25$ 190g seat post in your arse...) The problem was that they haven't kept an eye on the dude and he became a loose cannon. Sinyard went to Cafe Roubaix's owner and apologized personally as soon as he got the News what happened. Off course no one will forbid you to put a shtty stamp on anyone you read about in a random, controversy rich Facebook share. If you construct your sense of what's good or wrong, what's real or not on such things then well, just release the bonds of your peer group and do what you really want to do: Follow what they found out about Kardashian- West
relationship or some Republican blog. You'll bebetter off watching Fail compilations though...
  • 24 0
 Go Richie!
  • 30 47
flag dirtworks911 (Dec 16, 2015 at 11:36) (Below Threshold)
 @Tblore, Let me answer your question with another question. If Specialized was so confident in the 29er wheelsize (the point of slamming a new wheelsize) and if the Enduro 29er was perfect, why did they make it in the 27.5" version?

Here's another question, why would you support and buy from a company that didn't believe in every aspect of each bike they sell? I haven't ridden a Specialized since 2005 and I'm damn proud of it.
  • 6 4
 @TheChricke no way keene can follow this guy .. It's like me trying to follow rachel atherthon .. impossible
  • 39 8
 For anyone who wants to know what really happened -

www.cyclingnews.com/news/sinyard-takes-responsibility-and-apologises-to-cafe-roubaix-owner

This is all ancient history at this point, as Specialized has learned it's lesson.

Nonetheless, the haters will hang onto it forever.
  • 9 3
 @TheRaven, What about the instances? (Stumpdown Mountain Bikes, Epic Designs, and Epic Wheel Works)
  • 28 12
 The worst thing about Specialized is not being able to buy their parts online. The hate is just bandwagon bullshit by people too stupid to form their own opinions.
  • 15 18
 @dinero never really impressed by the Sworks. rode an Sworks enduro 650b at a demo. it climbed well... thats about it. nothing magical about the bike. it was msrp of like 9.8k or some ridiculous amount and my 4k trek slash felt better on the descents. just because a bike has an awesome spec doesn't mean it'll be the best bike.
  • 49 2
 I like Specialized. Before I tell you why - I can not entirely defend some of the things they have done in regards to suing over copyright infringement, I will say this though, they paid for and hold patents and they are entitled to defending them. You would do the same if you were a large successful company- you would- get over yourselves. The reason I like Specialized is because they represent cycling as a viable commercial success story and it's something I respect almost as much as the guy making frames in his garage. Specialized makes excellent bikes, they sell many of them and It gives them the ability to pump that money into things like r&d and into racing teams. It gives them the ability for someone like Jared Graves to earn some real money for something he devoted his life to. It gives professional cyclists the ability to "make it" and for that I'm glad they are around. I don't currently own a Specialized and I understand the appeal of buying bikes from a company that doesn't represent "the man" but no, I don't hate them.
  • 8 3
 @dirtworks911 - did you read the article or WAKI's comment? It was a law dept that went rogue. It happened, but it's done and they learned their lesson.
  • 8 2
 Put Specialized sitckers on your SB-66...
  • 24 6
 Hate me all you want, but is it really that big of a sin for a company to protect their own brand credibility? As big of a company as they are, and with how many counterfeits they have to deal with, I don't blame them for trying to defend themselves. With any large cooperation like Specialized, there is always the threat of other companies trying to infringe on copyrights to get their paycheck. How else do you handle the situation? Not to mention they too have had their share of lawsuits against them for similar reasons (Carve/Crave). Just my two cents.
  • 4 0
 The empire strikes back. Congrats to Jared for being able to make the moves in his career.
  • 18 1
 @kdstones - to add to your comment - the entire sue-fest began when Specialized was sued by a weekend roadie who was nearly killed when a counterfeit "Specialized" frame broke. He sued Specialized only to find that the frame was a chinese knockoff. Spec went on a rampage against the counterfeiters, and several other legit companies got caught in the net. Once the CEO of Spec got wind of the issues, he PERSONALLY fixed them.
  • 5 0
 Honestly...i hate that specialized uses proprietry parts, and dislike the fact that its such a mainstream bike brand. BUT i gotta admit, my 2011 Enduro, after getting the shock PUSHED and adding a vorprung corset, was one of the best, enjoyable bike ive ever owned. Geometry was dialed...cornered, jumped, climbed, and went downhill extremely well to my standards..had a total blast everytime i rode it..but all my buddies did make fun of me for owning a Specialized lol. I wouldnt hesitate to get on an Enduro 650b. Extrememly capable and race worthy bike!
  • 9 1
 I agree, @kdstones I think most people hate them because they think it's the hip thing to do. I have to respect a company that sells as many bikes, high quality bikes I might add, as they do. Do we hate Giant and Trek too? Do we hate Santa Cruz too ...they seem to do alright.... where is the cool line?
  • 13 3
 The 'law dept that went rogue' did it for at least 10 years. 'Epic' fail.....
  • 8 2
 @yutarosan Anyone who honestly "makes fun" of somebody for riding a Specialized can seriously go ride by him or herself. No need for that negativity. Get a life. I'n on board with the shock thing btw, I own a Trek Remedy that I love ... but I feel your pain.
  • 24 10
 Darkstar - I think that most of the people who hate them, do so because they need someone to hate. They need a negative point of reference, like Redbull, to balance out the crazy mad love they feel for Peaty, Hill or FEST series.
  • 3 3
 Haha, true @WAKIdesigns such is life.
  • 42 3
 You guys do know that it is US Law that companies have to protect their intellectual property and brand, and if they don't, they will forfeit that right. Once they forfeit that right, then they can be sued for using it. This is normal business here in the US. How many of you guys complain about specialized, but then own Apple products, which sued Samsung for their rectangle shaped phones! SUED FOR RECTANGLE SHAPED PHONES!!!
  • 8 3
 They were acting like a corporate bully long before the cafe Roubaix incident, look into what happened with Stratos suspension.
  • 11 2
 Can't upvote that comment enough. I was thinking "yeah how many of you complainers are typing your complaints on iPhones". Hypocrisy is strong in modern American society.
  • 13 5
 Specialized will perhaps begin suing cemeteries now...
  • 1 0
 I think mojo suspension do a float x2 to fit the new endure! Might be worth a look
  • 11 0
 all focus on specialized and not congrats to graves for having a career that allows him this choice. wtf?! jared has to be shakin his head reading this crap
  • 17 4
 Do we even know where our industry would be without Specialized? Dating back to the very first Stumpjumper, Specialized has relentlessly progressed the sport with incredible technology and innovation that we all take advantage of. It's no wonder there's so many counterfeits out there wanting to get a piece of the profit...
  • 43 10
 Waki: "Sinyard went to Cafe Roubaix's owner and apologized personally as soon as he got the News what happened."

That is actually not true at all. It was not until Sinyard realized the tremendous negative publicity the lawsuit was generating on social media that Specialized dropped the lawsuit, after almost a full week of negative backlash from the public. Anybody who thinks Sinyard didn't know about the lawsuit is either lying or naive. He has a reputation in the industry for being a control freak.

As reprehensible as the lawsuit was against Cafe Roubaix, their previous lawsuit against small bicycle manufacturer Volagi was much worse. It was purely based upon personal revenge, and Specialized sole goal was to bankrupt Volagi. Luckily the jury saw through the special lies BS and only awarded Specialized $1 for one of the charges and dismissed the rest.

velonews.competitor.com/2012/01/news/an-expensive-dollar-volagi-owes-specialized-1_203443

Most of the Specialized lawsuits seemed to have the goal of bankrupting small companies, and they had some success; Mountain Cycles closed their doors shortly after a Specialized lawsuit, according to their Wikipedia page:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specialized_Bicycle_Components

Not trying to serve the Haterade here, just sharing some facts and insight.

I wish Graves the best of luck with Mike Sinyard and Specialized.
  • 5 1
 @Protour I think it's important to remember there are two sides to every story, three if you count the media... The guys left Specialized and started a bike company..... without being involved personally I can not pass judgment on that one.
  • 2 1
 @DARKSTAR63 I hear ya man! But a, look into getting that Vorpsrung corset for your DRCV shock. After installing it on the enduro...it seriousely was a night and day improvement! Amazing small bump sensitivity, with a very nice progressive rate going into its travel.
  • 9 6
 I owned a Specialized but hate the company. And I ended up hating the bike and still hate the company. Maybe there was a psychological barrier - I knew better than to buy that bike. When I was still doing a little road riding, I bought a Volagi to help the little guy against the bully. Specialized bikes are good enough but there are plenty of other options that are equal or better and often at a much better price point. I get it - people like Specialized enough to overpay for their stuff. I'm OK with that just as I'm OK if you want to call me a hater - because I am one in this case. Mike Sinyard is a DB no way around it. I'm glad Graves is cashing in - most of us would do the same, myself included.
  • 3 0
 At least support your claim of "over-paying" they seem to be on par with Trek and the like, as they have to be. What do you own and why do you hate it so much?
  • 2 2
 @dirtworks911 let me answer your question with a statement. I didn't finish reading your comment because I'm going to go ride my bike. Wink
  • 1 2
 @DARKSTAR63 in fairness, Trek usually isn't in my crosshairs either but my favorite LBS is a dealer so I'm familiar. I would argue you can likely get a little more for your money at Trek but that gap has steadily closed over the years. As for your question regarding hate, it's not usually my personality but as a business person who has experienced both success and failure, I have zero respect for how Mike Sinyard grew his business, how he has run it and frankly how he has responded to the criticism. Rogue legal department is the biggest load of BS. There are plenty of links that have been provided by other posters prior to me if you're not familiar with these practices I speak of. And as I stated, their bikes are good but there are plenty of other good and better bikes from my perspective. I currently ride a Transition Smuggler and a Kona Honzo, whatever that matters.
  • 1 1
 I was curious to know what bike you "hated".... If it was simply because of moral issues I understand.... What I see is a lot links to articles regarding lawsuits that in my opinion may or may not have been justified. I don't think there is enough information to crucify them. I'm not defending them entirely, I'm just disappointed that people read things on the internet and then go around carrying torches at the same time supporting and taking part in the industry that they "hate". I don't know Mr. Sinyard personally so I can't call him names. The response to the Roubaix thing was suspect I admit that, but I also understand their right and obligation to protect patents, trademarks, ect. @TheFunkyMonkey
  • 3 8
flag dirtworks911 (Dec 16, 2015 at 14:45) (Below Threshold)
 @Tblore, You're a f*ck. Enjoy your ride.
  • 3 2
 @Protour thanks for the Volagi links. seems like a stupid, frivolous lawsuit - those guys worked on bottles and other gear - and I guess the court agreed. I feel like we should all start companies that play off their names. Epic Bike Shuttle Company, Specialty Cycles Fat Bikes, Roo-Bee 650B Bikes, etc...

@tomdh thanks for that link! very cool. was hoping they'd do this... another good option.
  • 15 8
 @powderturns. If only this was the only stupid, frivolous lawsuit in US. It's a cultural thing Big Grin Seems like "courting" is an accessible sport over there.

-You peed on mae lawn? - Yea, and watch'a gunna do? - I'm a call ma lawyer btch! - your honor, Maggie McKenzie hasn't just urinated on Mr. Stevens lawn. As we all know the lawn in front of a house is a symbol of the American freedom. We ceawl there, we run, then we have barbecue and we bury our beloved dogs there. Our most devoted friends. It is an attack on fundamental right to own a land. She peed on Americacan dream. If we allow that then what will we say to Mr Putin when he comes and puts socialism on it? Therefore I ask for one million dollars of which 10% will go to cat shelters, forcats who lost their owners defending our freedom and fighting evil in Iraq


Cheers!
  • 5 1
 Some of us worked for them and got jerked around so I have no issue throwing them under the bus for the shady things they have done. What's wrong with blowing whistles anyways? They make great bikes btw...Enduro 29 I have is the best bike I have ever thrown a leg over. Doesn't mean I respect how they conduct their business or how they treat their employees.
  • 11 6
 Oooohhh a big bike company, I bet they are terrible. Until I made it my mission to ride with every single person in the company to learn all of their secrets. Go ride with ANYONE from Specialized and see for yourself they are the greatest group of people/shredders/designers on the planet.
  • 2 0
 Everyone go back and listen to early Bathory. Waki is kind of like Quorthon.
  • 6 3
 The very first Stumpjumper was based on a Tom Ritchey design. Brain Tech; they bought that from Fox. The Horst Link; Horst Leightner on that one. I don't think they did anything in the past for the cycling industry but for the past 3-4 years the art department and whom ever was responsible for the geo on their 29ers is killing it! Kudos on that. Back in the day we use to joke that the R and D for Specy's Research and Development stood for rip off and duplicate. Gotta hand it to them these days though....que slow clap.
  • 1 0
 Woops the just above was in response to @kdstones
sorry all
  • 3 0
 @Protour thanks for the links. Another asinine one was Epic Designs. Just a one man show out of Alaska making bike bags and trying to make a living. Doesn't sound like a case of cheap counterfeiting to me. Eric changed his company name to Revelate Designs rather than have especially liez bleed him dry with a law suit. It's the crap like that that makes my blood boil! Bought some bags off of Eric years ago and they are still going strong!
  • 1 0
 Hehe, love all the comments, best way to start the day. Keep 'm coming guys!

Bit of a blah blah announcement for this great rider, but I guess it checks all the corporate guidelines and was redrafted & approved by the S-Works communications department. :-)
  • 6 0
 Ok some of these concerns about Specialized are legit, but not supporting them because "they're a corporate" or "I like to support smaller companies" is ridiculous. I was raised in Morgan Hill, heard stories about Mike Sinyard riding his bike around town back in the day trying to sell his early components. Just because a company is innovative and grows into a large player, doesn't make them any less respectable! Judge a company on their merit and their products, not their size.
  • 2 2
 I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates specialized. Nothing to do with the bikes 2010 onwards they've been making some of the best bikes in the business I just really don't like them as a company. They treat the uk market with total disrespect or used to at least.
  • 4 3
 I would say that their bikes are surely capable and some great technology. However, there one of the problems in the industry. They want to be the biggest and baddest company around and they want to squash all the smaller, innovative and regional type companies. Also, when you walk in a lot of their shops, they act like snobs and pricks. Who cares if they have all the money in the world. Don't get me wrong, it's great for individual riders but there just another global, big ass, takeover everything corporate BS type e.g.- Burton. . I'll take Colorado and Yeti every time!
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns what do you have against dogs, you commie pinko!
as for me, I wasn't sure I'd ever own a spesh bike, but I stumbled into a great deal on a used enduro that has been a hell of a bike (after a custom milled rear shock upgrade to a monarch plus). for a tall guy, S's bikes work really well (discussed elsewhere) as they really nail the angles for tall guys. Regardless, the frivolous lawsuits I'm not a fan of, and it makes me uneasy at a minimum. I'd probably think twice in the future, but I'm still going to buy the bike I want, as long as the price is roughly in line with value/expectations, regardless of who makes it. Going to be interesting to see what happens with more and more direct sales and how that will impact S, Trek and Giant (among others). On that note, now that Horst link patent is expired, how many companies have switched over to this suspension type? And many going direct at a fraction of the price...
  • 3 0
 I'm stoked to now be riding the same bike as one of my favourite riders (of course Graves' will have a full-factory version). People might not like Spesh as a company but the Enduro 650B is by far the most fun bike I've owned.
  • 15 1
 As part of a law department, I can say that often the business execs push the lawyers to be super aggressive. They are often way more aggressive than the actual lawyers. Then, when there is push back or anyone complains, the business execs throw the lawyers under the bus (because everyone hates lawyers). A "rogue legal department" does not exist in any corporation even remotely as successful as Specialized. A "rogue legal department" is a sorry excuse for senior management's bad decisions.
  • 4 9
flag martis (Dec 16, 2015 at 23:31) (Below Threshold)
 I'm sure Jared is a real nice guy and everything, but Enduro is still seriously boring. I don't care if Abraham Lincoln's corpse is racing the 2016 season, Enduro is still going to be real lame compared to Downhill. Just sayin'
  • 5 1
 I'm happy to hear that @martis. What are your favorite morning flakes?
  • 5 0
 Yeah im a lawyer, not in the U.S. But I can confirm what @davidgilbert28 said; a rogue legal department is not a thing anywhere in the world.

Ok Maybe in muslim law systems I actually dont know much about those. But neither in common or continental law systems is a thing.

Yeah hating spech for their bikes is stupid. their bikes are awesome, but so are plenty of other brands not enaging in shitty business practices.

And seriously whoever brought the iphone argument I have to ask: y u so dumb?
  • 2 3
 @DARKSTAR63 - the bike in question was a Camber EVO carbon. Carbon wheels, carbon everything - spent a ton of money trying to get along with that bike but it never happened. I did ride a new Stumpjumper this weekend (a friend wanted to swap for a bit) and I thought it was quite nice - much better than the last version. I'll keep my Smuggler, thank you - and God forbid, it's aluminum. FWIW I do mergers and acquisitions for work so I deal with patents on a daily basis. I'm all about protecting IPR as I've been infringed upon in the past. That being said, Specialized has taken it to a whole new level. Don't forget that Mike Sinyard didn't come out and blame the "rogue legal department" until public opinion became loud over the Cafe Roubaix situation. And also don't forget that Mr. Sinyard basically started his business by stealing the designs of others. And also FWIW one of my best friends owned one of the first Specialized concept stores on the East Coast. I could go on for hours about his experience with Specialized. He will tell you to this day, the worst business decision he ever made was doing an exclusive deal with Specialized. He sold the business (it's now no longer) and has no intention of getting back in the industry after his experience with Specialized. Through this relationship, I got to meet Mike Sinyard once and he's an arrogant prick.
  • 1 0
 FunkyMonkey - your Camber Evo experience is very interesting. Is it maybe the case that you had a longer travel bike before? How is smuggler better? I had Blur TR tried Process 111 and I must say that at least for me, the rear doesn't cope with the geometry. Bike inspires to go fast and as soon as it gets rough, the front copes with stuff very well but rear just gives me aches. I see the spots I want to put the weight down and where to be light, but the chatter unsettles me and keeps me holding onto the bike instead of being active (and I do ride a 26" hardtail often on exactly same trails I ride FS on). That's why I am getting back to a tank sized trail bike as my Nomad used to be.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns - I thought the Camber did everything OK but did nothing outstanding. I definitely was not under-biked for where I live. I have owned longer travel bikes in the past but I'm a big fan of the right horse for the course and I prefer to be closer to under-biked than over-biked. I live in the southeast US and most of my riding is minimal elevation with punchy climbs and descents - a mix of roots/rocks and fast flow. I get to western North Carolina (DuPont + Pisgah) on fairly regular basis which turns things up a notch. The Smuggler is not perfect by any means but works really well for where I ride and how I ride. It could use more tire clearance on the rear triangle (even the '16s could use more) and it's a bit long in the CS as well as overall. That being said, it is an absolute blast when it's pointed down whether it's rough or flow. Getting the rear sag (a lot on this bike) is key - very key. The low BB is a great thing but requires some coordination in the rocks - I'm running 165 cranks and can't imagine 175s on this bike. It covers the boring stuff efficiently and without drama. And it climbs quite well. If you're looking for a stand and stomp it platform, this is not it. I'm a sit and grind it guy and the Smuggler is very good in this regard and comfortable. And finally, I've owned my share of steel, aluminum and carbon bikes over the years and the Smuggler's build quality is top notch. It does everything better than the Camber and is an absolute standout on the downhills.
  • 1 0
 When you pay major (big money) royaltys to another bike company ( Fuji) to use the name "roubaix" I can see why you would want to make sure anyone else using that name is also paying their share.
  • 1 2
 See Graves' own commentary below. Those words from a guy who actually KNOWS the company. We only see from the outside, he's been (and now will be) on the inside. I think we can put this to bed now and move on with our lives.
  • 2 0
 You can absolutely get a shock for your bike. Rockshox monarch and monarch plus come in every size and mounting style
  • 1 0
 I have a Monarch Debonair for my Remedy in the factory eye to eye and mounting. Options are limited when the using a proprietary shock though you have to admit.
  • 1 1
 Lot of arrogant douche bags in the industry - Sinyard, Chris Sugoi, Tony Ellsworth, Ben Serotta, but this is balanced out at the other end of the spectrum by guys like Chris Cocalis and Dave Turner, (among many of the other smaller players) both stand-up guys. Check the smaller guys out if you don't like how the big boys play.
  • 3 0
 If you think Chris Cocalis is not arrogant you clearly have never met him. This isn't to say he's a terrible person, after all he does have ALOT to be proud of. After owning a Pivot, I have to say he's built a(nother) fantastic product, but I don't lump him in with the super-nice approachable guys.

Arrogance and big egos are the dominant personalities among the big players in the MTB product world. There are few exceptions.
  • 3 0
 The tribe has spoken..
  • 5 8
 @TheRaven @Alias530 @WakiDesigns et al

If Mike Sinyard wants any level of forgiveness from the cycling world he needs to actually amend for his greedy mistakes in the past, which he has yet to do:

Give back Volagi the $1 in a public presentation and also pay all their layer fees.

Put Mountain Cycles back in business and let them use use the name Stumptown.

Give back the lawyer fees to both of the small companies that used the name Epic.

A speech saying he has learned from his mistakes is a nice start, but Sinyard needs to put his money where his mouth is. And considering his company has yearly estimated revenues of over $500,000,00, it wouldn't be that expensive and the forgiveness from the public they would receive would be worth it.
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 When you're paying 8g to 15g for a bike, I certainly hope it's the best bike you've ever ridden.
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 @Protour - Mike Sinyard doesn't need "forgiveness from the cycling world". The "cycling world" has no issue with him or his company. It's just a handful of enthusiasts who want to hate something.

Lets keep this in perspective - Specialized is the third best selling bike brand on the planet. They don't just build bikes, they build icons. The Epic, Stumpjumper, Enduro, and Demo have been among the best bikes in their respective classes year after year.

The "cycling world" is perfectly content with Specialized.
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 Sinyard took the first real production mountain bike made by Ritchey, bought all the sizes - then took em' overseas to be copied and mass produced on the cheap and then tried to laid claim to being "first". That's their origin story - company has been rotten from the beginning and never changed - most of the rest has been hashed through in the thread but there's even more dirt out there if you dig. Bottom-line: Sinyard can suck it - I hope Jared has the season he deserved but never ever will buy a Spec product regardless of who is riding it.
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 Doesn't it occur to anyone that one of the reasons Specialized is such a successful business is because they are run like a business and not like a non-profit.... this is not a charity organization. People need to step back into reality a little bit here, if you don't like Specialized, you are entitled, put your money where your mouth is and buy something else. That's all, no need for all the "hate".... it's not like they are killing puppies or something, they sell bikes, they make money doing it. Welcome to America.
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 Yea Specialized also stole 29er idea from Gary Fisher, Transition stole suspension for their first bikes from Kona. Sorry but some of you actualy DO sound like PC guys being butt hurt about Apple - Steve jobs stole the idea meeeh meeeeeeh fkn meeeeh. - Hey cheer up! Look, sun is coming up - who'll pay for this?!
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 I'll throw one out there as food for thought - I hear a few people rationalizing Spec's predatory tactics (both stealing of IP and litigation without merit) under the banner of "it's business". Maybe it's the way I'm raised but making more money has never been a palatable reason to act unethically. Every time someone does something greedy or otherwise indefensible expect them to say "it's just business". Sorry - if that's your character, you have to live with it but it's a piss poor excuse. Cheaters in sport, cheaters in business - at the end of the day you have to live with yourself. I'm friends with people who have been hurt by Spec and some have had intellectual property stolen and some that have strong armed out of business by deep pockets - real people, good people - people who innovate and have products that would advance technology and performance for all of us. Stifling this doesn't lift anyone up but a company like Specialized bottom line. Think about that: an insignificant & unearned gain for a Specialized shareholder vs. ruining someone's livelihood and preventing competition and progress.
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 It's certainly not my character, and I will not spend any time defending that- I just don't have any evidence of the claims people are making. I can not condemn without proof. Sorry. To be honest with you, I think many people simply "hate" Specialized because they are big, I think that's not enough.
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 The long and short of it. There are fan boi's like WAKI and DARK. That's cool. But there clearly are haters (I'm one) and that's cool too. @CarlMega hit the nail on the head - we can talk about all the recent lawsuits all we want but how quickly everyone forgets (or doesn't know) how Sinyard got his start. If you're cool with that then I suspect you're not a business person.
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 @CarlMega - the point those people were trying to make is that if you are going to hate a company because it borrowed or stole ideas, and stepped on people on it's way to prominence, then you hate all successful companies. As for "stealing ideas"...it's tough for me to think of an MTB maker that has not done this.
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 @TheFunkyMonkey - actually the reverse is true if you ask me - if you are cool with that then you likely ARE a business person. If you are not cool with that, then you are either not a business person, or a business person out of business.
  • 1 0
 This below here from @jaredgraves is a lot more interesting than all your hate above, and a much better read.
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 I'm not a "fanboy" of anything but perhaps Trek bicycles... they can do no wrong in my eyes lol, I'm just trying to be objective (and spark debate admittedly)
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 @TheRaven - clearly we view and approach (with integrity) business very differently. I do funding, mergers and acquisitions (my own and for others) for my business and am quite comfortable with my business success while embracing my failures. The consistent attribute between my successes and failures? Every deal done with integrity with a long line of business associates that would stand behind that statement. That's success.
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 @TheFunkyMonkey - I'm not saying I agree with it. But you sorta illustrated my point. You are like me - you work FOR the business. You follow the ethics guidelines set forth by the business you work for. If you don't, you'll lose your job. Guys like Sinyard are not beholden to those same rules. They are the guys who make the rules. Neither of us are in the same league as Mike Sinyard, and one could argue that our opinions on his practices are exactly the reason for that.
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 I tend to be a steak and eggs guy, @wakidesigns.
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 specialized seems to be the bees knees for circle jerks
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 Good for you!.. @dirtworks911
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 DARKSTARS63: "if you don't like Specialized, you are entitled, put your money where your mouth is and buy something else. That's all, no need for all the "hate"."

I guess you're not aware of something called Freedom of Speech? You also have the freedom to not acknowledge the hate, but you do. I wonder why?

I'm curious if you think all the cyclist speaking out on social media about legal action Specialized took against Cafe Roubaix were 'haters'?

Mike Sinyard himself eventually agreed with all of those people that the legal action against Cafe Roubaix was a terrible action for Specialized to take... so I guess Sinyard himself is a Speciailized hater by agreeing with them? Obviously not, he simply realized he has been doing something unethical.

That is the value of social justice; It is a valuable force in the world, regardless is the industry. If you believe in social justice, It makes sense not to support companies like Specialized; companies that are the most greedy in their industry and go out of their way to unnecessarily hurt and bully smaller businesses.

If you don't care about social justice, then I guess you don't feel bad about buying a Specialized, shopping at Wal Mart, voting for Donald Trump, or even working for Specialized. You do what benefits you and makes you feel good, regardless of the suffering and pain it causes others.

That's basically what this issue comes down to, and these very valid reasons are why Specialized has so many haters.
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 As usual with you, we get into a question of morality Protour. Ok stop now and tell me what bikes you are riding at the moment. Or do you want to take back Donald Trump and morality. You know we can go there.
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 @Protour - you are not the decider of what is "social justice". You are simply presenting your opinions (same as with Wal-Mart and Donald Trump, even though I agree with you at least on Wal-Mart). You feel that Specialized picking up a few haters along the way is social justice. Many people disagree with your assessment. I am one of them. Haters are a part of life. Always have been, always will be. I am a Trek hater, for instance. The end all is that neither Trek nor Specialized lose sleep over our hate. They are raking in the money as bikes fly out the door.
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 Really specialized haven't done much wrong nothing you can point a finger at anyway. im just not feeling the vibe.
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 @Protour "suffering and pain".....this is out of touch. Social justice? Yes, I suppose it was, Specialized decided all the negative press was not worth it, a wise decision that came a little late to control much of the damage in my opinion. I still can't agree that they operate under an intentionally perverse moral code, I simply can not prove that based on law suits that have come to light in the media. You ask if I think the folks calling out Specialized are "haters"... no maybe not... butt hurt is more like it. They don't like that Specialized owned a trademark for Roubaix and that meant they had to stop selling a bicycle part with the name on it. It sounds mean but Specialized owned it- wether you think that they should be able to do that in the first place is irrelevant. You know what I say? Stop crying about bullies and do something about it. Create your own ideas, trademark and patent those, move forward. Innovate. I will say it once more, I'm not for big business or for snuffing out the little guy- i'm not, I just think this might be a little over blown and perhaps the is a misperception to a degree regarding these lawsuits and why they carry them out. I can also sure you I do not support Donald Trump.
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 @thenotoriousmic That is reasonable. A far cry from publicly shaming them.
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 Darkstsrs 503: "You ask if I think the folks calling out Specialized are "haters"... no maybe not... butt hurt is more like it. They don't like that Specialized owned a trademark for Roubaix"

So again I ask you: Sinyard said he agreed that his actions were based upon poor judgement; Was he just lying and saying what he had to say to keep the company profitable or was he being sincere?

I guess it comes down to what you think the purpose of a business is; Serve yourself at all costs to maximize profits and be a "successful" businessman, or try to be successful while still being ethical. At a larger level it essentially comes down to who you respect more: Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders.

Funny fact: Fuji owned the Roubaix trademark, not specialized. Lollercoasters!

Waki: "You know we can go there."

Before we unfortunately go into another one of your strangely cynical and boringly predictable distractions, let's please start with you either acknowledging you were either completely naive or absolutely lying in the statement I called you out on in my first post. Which one is it Waki?

I'm not wanting to make people who ride Specialized bikes feel bad about them, that is not my goal and I have never judged someone enjoying a ride based upon what bike they ride. If you like your bike ride it and enjoy it and never feel bad about it... unless you do.
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 Could be a recipe to success then.
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 @dinero: Maybe you should grow up and handle some real problems in life not that kiddie stuff.
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 Hey team, cheers for the words, and support, ive had a quick read through here to see what you all are up to, and I thought i'd touch on a few points you seem curious on.
Ive had an awesome time with Yeti over the past 12 years, they are a great group of people, led by truly passionate and plain good people, and that is the number one reason I have stayed with them so long, and would also be perfectly happy to stay with. I have always been open to riding for other companies, but Yeti always presented me with what I felt was right for me at the time. On the other hand, Im a bike rider first and foremost, and there are also other brands I have a lot of respect for, Specialized is a company that for probably the past 5-6 years has been at the top of that list. Ive always thought they have had awesome product, and to me, they way the go about searching for the next innovative and evolution of product, not just to do with their bikes, but all their range of other parts and riding gear are no compromise performance parts, which is something that always attracted me.

As a kid I was always a huge Palmer fan, and I can honestly say that Specialized was the first company that I would lay in bed at night as a teenager and dream of riding for.

When they approached me earlier this year, from the first time I spoke with them, it was clear to me that they would be a perfect fit. Their current and future product lines, goals with the team, and results aside, other things that were important to them and myself all lined up. Something ive noticed at the EWS round the past year is the positive atmosphere going on at all times in their pits, Everyone always has a smile on their face and they all seem to be having a great time. This is super important to me. If it's not fun, I don't want to be anywhere near it.

Skype Conversations and emails went back and forth flat out for well over a month, and by that time I knew it was where I wanted to be. A week stay in Morgan Hill early November eased any concerns I had, when I saw the headquarters first hand, and was blown away. Not just by everything they have going on their, but that the atmosphere was amazing, Just like Yeti is, only on a bigger scale. Every employee there is a super motivated, passionate, bike fanatic! That was apparent with how competitive the employee rides were haha.

to clear up few points
- enduro 650 and Stumpy 650 will be my "go-to's" but a 29er at certain races is for sure on the cards if its right. Horses for courses!
- Yeti's focus is 100% on Enduro, as is Richies, If you hold your breath waiting for a World Cup DH team to start up, you will definitely pass out. But Richie is keen on doing some DH racing, as am I if the calendar permits, and you can prepare to be competitive. Both Richie and Myself arent interested in racing World Cup DH for shits and giggles.
- While there has been surprisingly few people saying "I sold out" which to be honest I expected more of. to the ones that did say it....Are you freaking serious? Do you know how little Pro MTB riders make? I couldnt afford a Ferrari this year and I certainly Still cant afford one next year (for the record I drive an 8 year old Volkswagen van, with over 200,000km on the odometer that im the 3rd owner of, And will be for many years yet) If a company didnt make top notch product, there is no way I would ever sign with them. Theres a handful of people close to me that know that Specialized is a company I have always said I would ride for.
- Im impressed by the bikes, the limited riding ive done on them has eased any concerns I had initially, after so long with Yeti. Honestly, these days there are a lot of damn good bikes out there, theres a lot of companies that have good people and know what they are doing. While Yeti is super innovative, but as a small company they have to be careful what they throw their money into. And picking and choosing what they throw their money at when it comes to developing bikes is something they do very well, i'd almost say they have it down to an art. Specialized approaches things the same, but due to their size have the ability to try a few more ideas without it majorly financially hurting the company. This is something that will always give the big guy an edge over the small guy.

Anyways, cheers for the support guys, bring on 2016!
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 Thanks for writing Grubby! I imagine that all of us posting here admire your racing, your work ethic and your attitude. I have enjoyed following your career. You're still a young man, and I hope to see you ripping it up for another 7-10 years. I appreciate you sharing your insight into Yeti as well. Conroy and Co have had to part ways with many awesome athletes after finding them and helping them develop. It's what they do. Best wishes from all of us. Give 'er!
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 Thanks for dropping in and clarifying things, Jared. I'm really looking forward to next year with not just your move but also others and the super talented up and coming riders. The sport and bike development is just going great and the amount of talent makes the comp so enjoyable. All the best with your new team.
  • 9 1
 Today I learned I ride the sames bike and drive roughly the same car as Jared Graves, never felt so pro!
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 No no @jaredgraves , the issue is not whether you sold out or not. We are smart enough to know that every large company is built on exploitation of labor and talent. The question is whether you are going to put away cereal and eat decapitated puppies for breakfast, like we all know, every Specialized employee does. If you record yourself saying "I am Specialized" 33 times and then play it backwards you will hear devilish things. It may surprise you but we actually DO know that they already gave you a voodoo doll of Jerome Clementz to keep in SWAT box of your bike Big Grin

All the best! Huge fan of Specialized, your writing, legs and cardiovascular system. May injuries and flats stay away from you. Cheers!
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 This is why why you have a lot of people's respect Jared, talking straight. Not many athletes would even bother coming onto a place like this to tell everyone their reasons. All the best.
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 He also wrote a consoling letter to Team Robot who got depressed after being disillusioned with Whistler EWS.
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 I just watched the replay of the 2008 olympic bmx finals - pfuh, when you came out first out of the first corner just to be mowed down in the second - I was´nt aware of that.
What chances did you give yourself coming out of that first corner?
  • 3 0
 That's why I love MTB! Pro athlete making comments on his new employment and then a big 'almost troll' fan make laugh of it!

Wink
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 I don't think there's a better reason for moving to a team than you want to race downhill and I don't think any rider should be accused of selling out. The amount of products that pro's sell they should be making more money.
  • 3 0
 Thumbs up champ! I was hoping to read you've had the massive pay hike you deserve!
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 Plus Eleventy-billion.
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 Cool you commented. Best of luck to you in 2016!
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 Yea I liked the comment somewhere on here where someone suggested you would be "set for life" after the next few years on Specialized. I'm sure money was an important factor in your decision as it should be, but I don't think any mountain bikers are set for life based on what they get paid.
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 @jaredgraves I was stoked to see you on the trails in SC with the Specialized crew a few weeks back. I've had many interactions with Curtis over the last couple of years while riding my home trails as well and am honestly super stoked to know him and am truly happy that you have joined a phenomenal team. Specialized is a great company and they are very lucky to have you as an addition. Good luck to both you and Curtis in 2016!!
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flag MojoMaujer (Dec 17, 2015 at 15:05) (Below Threshold)
 @jaregraves get a life...
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 Took forever to scroll down to this second comment... oh, and it's JG himself! Hilarious really. And actually good insight from Jared. Looking forward to seeing him in something other than teal this season. Change is good.
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 "Jared is pure class - you won't find another athlete that trains as hard or puts as much into his efforts as him. There's a reason why Jared has always been up front and it's no secret - he's not afraid to put in the hard work in order to consistently get the results. Besides that, he's a gentleman off the bike and can always be counted on to be the life of the party. We're beyond excited to welcome him to the team and look forward to making some great memories together. - Gavin Noble, Manager of the Specialized Racing Factory Mountain Bike program".... 100% accurate. Jared is a class act on and off the bike, and an absolute machine when it comes to dedication to racing and training.
  • 49 1
 Prediction: MTB keyboard jockeys everywhere blame the bike for Jared's first podium miss. See also: Gwin, Trek -> Spec.
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 see also Sam Hill
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 Honestly though, if he consistently doesn't do well on the bike, I'm gonna blame the bike.
  • 23 4
 and Paris Hilton
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 and donald trump
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 Donald rides Spec as well? That explains everything! Paris had a Stumpy and look what happened to her!
  • 6 1
 did she get the same surgery as bruce jenner?
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 But mostly Obama
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 Sam Hill's decline when he went to Specialized came as a result of going from the big galloping Iron Horse to the big, ugly demo....it definitely had nothing to do with a multitude of injuries...
  • 8 1
 When you read interviews with riders and team managers, join the dots and I think it's pretty clear. All the bikes are good, but different riders thrive under different team/manager dynamics. This is more about relationships and preferred work styles. Look how Troy has thrived on Spec, but it never worked as well for sam. Not sure that the nukeproof is a better bike than Spec, but Sam's whole attitude shifted and he started smashing some good results again.
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 For those who don't know, Tiffany Tyler rides for Specialized too alongside with Johnny Sins. Check out Big T*Ts in Sport.
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 @chya you sir, are a connoisseur
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 I love the new pulse, but the new demo? That is something else. Engineering meets art. It even works without a chain. I would love one of those, but barring divorce or a lottery win it's notgoing to happen
  • 3 0
 @Protour will tell us all about the new Enduro's axle path
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 I heard they planned on moving to boost148+
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 Imagine the new enduro looking just like the demo but with different geometry. That would be a nice machine.
  • 39 3
 Graves helped put Yeti in a fantastic position but you can't blame him for wanting to cash in, in the Autumn of his career. Rude will comfortably take Yeti through the next few years and undoubtedly end up doing the same.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Dec 16, 2015 at 11:31) (Below Threshold)
 Oh yeah, so it was a cash in, you are the greatest fan Big Grin Why don't you leave Specialized alone!!!
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 Hells yeah! Take the money, Graves. It's gonna be nice when the prize money drops off.
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 Go Richie Rude!!
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 What if yeti let him go?
Maybe releasing graves gives yeti the funds to run DH once more.
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 i dont think anyone saw this coming
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 I hope there was a big serving of sarcasm with your comment @joose
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 heavy serving indeed
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 With gravy.
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 You seasoned it as well? Nice.
  • 1 0
 I'll have mash potato on the side please.
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 Some of that Marks and Spencer luxury mash with gravy. Now were talking.
  • 1 0
 cm'n guys bring it on, its more than 20 minutes, i'm hungry.
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 I'm actually really happy for Jared. Since special ed in combination with Rockshox probably had to fork out a lot of money to get him off yeti/tld/fox/shimano/renthal. Which can only mean a good thing for Jared. After all, retirement plans are really important in life.
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 He most likely got a BIG pay raise along with other performance bonuses. It still doesn't make me like SpecialEd.......
  • 8 0
 yeah, but it won't make me dislike Gravey! Smile
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 why so much hate on specialized,i dont get it ?
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 Just dickish moves made in past, and general stigma of a big bad manufacturer who really prefers to use proprietary stuff.
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 Its true though, if he plays his cards right, gets acceptable results, and avoids catastrophic injury I imagine he will be set for life. Wonder what the terms of the contract were - he should get a cut of all Enduro sales going forward!
  • 1 0
 @dragan-the-dragon you forgot Maxxis
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 That to. Thanks for the reminder. Maxxis isn't a small sponsor to say.
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 Spesh's enduro team is coming out of the grave after this one
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 Hey Graves - know you lurk on here from time to time, probably having a chuckle reading all of these comments. Congratulations on this big announcement and for making it to this point in your career where your interests, passions, preparation, and opportunities collided. I ride a SB66c and really like it, and probably in some small reason because of that crazy world champs podium I take the thing to Whistler and beat the hell out of it. You've proven you can generate a fan base, keep them interested with your great writeups (let's hope the big S lets you keep doing that), and back up the talk with no nonsense trail obliteration. Good on ya.

All that said I do hope the specter of Richie Rude breathing down your neck keeps you up at night in 2016!
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 CRAZY! Let's get over the hyperbole people. Specialized is not the worst ever. Dudes! It a bike company. ISIS worst ever. Sex slaves/human trafficking worst ever. Destruction of our world by industrialization worst ever. Jackwads that want to keep us off the trails are bad too. Bike companies, big and small are cool with me.
  • 1 0
 but bike companies wouldn't exist without industrialization
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 I wouldn't mind being a pay slave, as long as they were really hot twins!
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 Specialized is turning into the Yankee's. Wait until someone is at the top of their game then steal them away with more money.
  • 22 2
 I encourage you to look further into the word "steal".
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 In his defense, chris did write "steal with money.". Sort of like how one may use a slim Jim or lock pick.
  • 7 1
 I stole away with money a cheeseburger from this restaurant last night.
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 And I encourage you to follow the advice of @thedeathstar
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 I encourage you guys to keep making me laugh
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 Yeah, same thing happened with Bearclaw, Troy, Mitch, and Brendog.... wait a second....
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 **to those who decide to read this novel of a comment, I applaud you
Since we're talking about politics with Specialized I'll give my humble, 18 year old opinion:
Since I started taking this sport seriously, I've owned 4 bikes (3 mountain, 1 road).
Started on a Hardrock and absolutely fell in love. When I outgrew that, I went to a Specialized demo, and I was spoiled. Nothing but respect for those who ran it. Bought another brand when it became too small-new bike was a total piece. Left me with sad knowing I spent my hard-earned money on a bike I didn't love. Rode that for 2 years, then Finally purchased a stumpy fsr. This bike is everything I could've wanted. I demo'd Giant, Scott, and Trek and only Scott's bikes felt correct (Genius 700 LT tuned, so obviously I fell in love). At the time I demo'd a Trek, I was completely dicked by those running the demo (I was 16 at the time, which is a poor excuse at trying to justify my treatment). Never will give Trek my time again.

TL;DR:
Have been riding for 6 years, owned mix of Specialized and not Specialized, have loved every product of Specialized that I own (I beat them to the ground), had amazing customer service from Specialized and virtually almost no others, and will most likely keep buying Specialized until the day their product quality begins to decline (if it ever does).
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 I wonder how does Richie Rude feels about it? He is the new Champ now, but from what I've read, Graves really took him under his wing like a blood brother. I hope Richie adjusts well to a new era at Yeti. After all, he is "the guy" at Yeti now.
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 Honestly graves will always race for yeti to me...
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 yeh but honestly he races for specialized now
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 Maybe but I think there was a lot of that sentiment when Gwin left Trek. Can you imagine him riding for Trek now? I can’t.
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 The same with Sam hill...
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 Sam Hill will always race for Ironhorse. And gwinny? He only put in two years at Trek -- not really a legacy.
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 He was better on a trek though ????
  • 1 0
 Ok the winky emoji equals question marks on pinkbike lol
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 My dad is gonna become a Captain in the Fire Department, not because wants to stand around and babysit other grown men, nope. He is doing to it to make more money before he retires and take what he can get before his time is up.......

Most riders are retiring between 35 and 40 from the racing.... well what better way to get ready for retirement but suck as much money out of a company that clearly has way to f*cking much of it. definitely helps that its during a time when they are scrambling to have a top dog in the Enduro racing world... Smart Move Graves, Smart Move.


Gwin came to the rescue and then year later the new S-works Demo comes out ... Does this mean Graves comes to the rescue a year before the new Enduro rolls out? Could we see an all new Enduro??? maybe a completley different frame!??? SPECULATING IS SO MUCH FUN!!!!!
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 Sinyard bought a Ritchey and then had it mass produced cheaply over seas. You don't get that rich without stepping on a few throats along the way. Smart business man...past happenings regarding Specialized makes me question his character. If anything good has come from it all it is the ability to support a guy like Graves. Best of luck to Graves in the upcoming season!
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 Oh no now yeti bros hate Big S even more
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 Yes, they suing a company for using the word roubaix once.. and they apologize since. They make some real good bike and stand behind their warranty so whats wrong! Go Jared!
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 Always been a Specialized ‘fanboy’. The bikes rock. That said, my last two experiences with the way they handle warranties has left me shopping for a different company with a bike I can be excited about for my next bike. How they handle warranties will be at the top of my list.

2008 Enduro Comp, 2011 Enduro Expert Evo, 2012 S Works Enduro, 2013 Stumpy 29er Elite, 2012 Stumpy Expert Carbon Evo, 2014 Stumpy Expert Carbon Evo.
  • 9 2
 That's really odd. I worked for a Spesh shop years ago and I've never seen a better company with warranties. I have a feeling that the shop had more to do with it than Spesh themselves.
  • 5 1
 That is what I always tell guys who are trying to get Spec frames warranted. It's all in the shop. If you can't get what you want, you need to go to a different shop. Spec will hook you up if you do it right.
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 Shops were fine, it was two different reps that were the problem.
  • 2 0
 U should have tried fox a few years back . Was talking to the mechanic trying to get my fork to work properly he was like I've talked to the distributors and officially there is nothing wrong with that batch, unofficially they don't work properly but they don't want a recall.
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 I know a pro Enduro racer that was riding his 2015 650b Carbon Enduro. Bottom bracket cracked, no crash and not his fault. Even his shop mechanic vouched for him. (I’ve seen a thread somewhere that this isn’t uncommon.) Rep said best they’d do is an $1,800 crash replacement. $500 later Calfee to the rescue.
For me, my 2014 Stumpy Carbon Evo had that horrendous bike shudder with super loud noise that is known to the company to be a problem with the seat stays and present in a lot of other stumpys. They’d run out of the carbon stays they’d been giving out to remedy the issue and their solution was for me to buy different rotors/and or brakes...out of MY pocket, to fix a problem inherent in their frame.

Like I said, I’ve loved their bikes since 2008. I’ve lost count of how many friends have purchased one of their bikes because I talked them into it. A company can to the wrong thing a couple times and lose a customer’s business for decades and have their reputation not only adversely effected but not bolstered which is almost worse.

The problem with Specialized is that their bikes are so good, people resent that that they have to buy a bike from a company with a reputation like they have. In the end, I’ll probably buy another one because I haven’t ridden anything I like as much.
  • 2 0
 @jeremiahwas...Folks are still having issues with the shudder coming from the seat stays? FWIW you don't need carbon stays. Just wrap the brake line unto the seat stay with a spare tube. That's what I did on my 2013 Stumpy Evo 29er and it worked like a charm.
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 Thanks for the comment @johnnyknutsville Yah, I saw some people doing that and other things to get rid of the issue. My problem with Spesh is that it was their issue to solve. Not the customer that just dropped a lot of cash (some guys $6k) on a bike to have to come up with some ghetto fix on their own. I can’t imagine making a product, having someone buy it and then telling them to spend more money or do some weird fix to make it right. I couldn’t keep someone’s money with a clear conscience knowing I didn’t deliver whether it was a product or service.
The problem is solved for now since going to organic pads and Ice-Tech rotors. I had brand new regular shimano rotors originally. I plan on switching to Guides and Centerline rotors in the near future and if the shudder comes back the reps won’t be getting rid of me til they make it right.
  • 3 0
 I think several company's have had a negative image over the years, I worked for a shop that sold specialized several years ago and we sold lots of bikes by just showing the customers how several other company's( Trek) would throw a nice components in areas that were obvious to the customer and then put complete crap components in areas that people didn't notice. I have owned several specialized bikes and loved them. We need to remember that all the big company's are exactly that A Big Company and not some guy welding up frames in his garage. All big company's do business in about the same way and I think specialized sometimes gets a bad deal. .
  • 4 0
 Wow, Graves hittin the full meal deal with Specialized! Hopefully he can give Curtis the push he needs to pick up his game a little bit. I'm surprisingly OK with this.
  • 3 0
 Congratulations to Specialized and to Jared for that matter. Quite the gravity duo (actually trio - Brosnan, Graves and Gwin) they now sponsor. 2016 should be a very fun year for spectators!
  • 5 4
 Gwin is off spec in 2016.
  • 1 0
 Wait, what!?
  • 2 0
 Jared's quote in the article must make Yeti feel a little unappreciated. "No other brand has the full complement of top-shelf bikes and gear and the level of commitment to success."

It's true that Specialized has a full range of bikes for all disciplines but still gotta be hard for Yeti to hear.

Jared and Curtis on the same team? They're going to have loads of fun. I love the fact they are still great friends even though they have to compete against each other in the past. I'm not a big fan of Spech but I will root for Jared regardless~
  • 3 0
 I don't think they take it personal. Every rider who joins a new team says some version of the same bullshit. They are being paid by a company to say things like that about the new brand they are representing. The folks at Yeti knkw this as well as anyone.
  • 1 0
 Can´t see how YETI would feel bad about the comment, it´s not like YETI even pretends to be a player in other bike product areas other than mountainbiking.
Specialized is in everything from kids bikes and commuters to triathlon and DH along with parts,tires and riding gear.
  • 1 0
 I dont know graves presonally. He seems to be a decent dude and a brilliant athlete. Specialized can only gain from him. I consider specialized to make really good bikes. What concerned about about is the following. As soon as you arrive home with your newly bought ride they advertise the new model/arrival and hereby make you feel that your "old" equipment is already out to date. Why does IZED have to bring out next years models already in summer?! Hope Graves has a brilliant 2016 and stays accident free.
  • 7 2
 "its the Indian not the arrow"
  • 5 2
 Please change your profile to the Indian flag for a few days to support this comment.
  • 1 0
 It's interesting to see the development of Spesh's racing team from 2009 when they reemerged on the WC scene to now where they have arguably the most reliable gravity team (barring women, losing Anneke is a blow) in the world. The Fairclough + Hill team was sick but neither of them are best described as consistent (Sam would be if healthy).
  • 1 0
 It's always good to see a pro rider get - most likely - a rewarding sponsorship, hope JG has much success with this deal. Whatever his results though, many people won't be encouraged to buy product from Specialized:They are too fond of typical U.S. litigation procedures. It is that which will encourage people to not buy from Specialized rather than a rider's race results encouraging purchase. Their apologies in cases such as Cafe Roubaix are nothing more than PR exercises, and are undoubtedly insincere.
  • 8 6
 Adjusting to that tiny little wheel base eh? I had a feeling the geometry transition from Yeti to SpecialEd would be hard to handle.
  • 20 0
 Hes Jared Graves
  • 2 0
 Graves can be successful on any bike in any category, on a professional level. I doubt he'll blame the bike for anything.

www.vitalmtb.com/videos/member/Adelaide-Nationals-Jared-Graves-XC-Win-DH-Seeding,24572/RowneySports,27292

I remember this win, with a blown fork haha. (spoiler alert) it's the Australian nationals for XC!
  • 2 3
 Graves is probably the most versatile out there without question and I'm sure he's going to be the fastest guy riding for Big S in 2016. I'm just sad to see him off Yeti and in head to toe Specialized gear, and also someone who appreciates a little extra length in the chainstays. Yeti has some great race bikes because they opt for a longer more stable wheelbase while companies like Specialized are scared to compromise their bike "flickability", just very different bikes thats all.
  • 3 0
 He was number one in the world on a bmx, so he's ok with a short wheel base.
  • 4 5
 Jared will have a lot to read to his morning cereal. Well... At least he doesn't have a swingarm attached to a pre-production hadron collider anymore Big Grin
  • 1 3
 *hardon
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 I could see them doing a custom rear end for his enduro. I mean Yeti's are at 17.4 and Enduro 650B is 16.5, that's a titanic difference.
  • 1 0
 I'm aware of how it's currently spelled. I just feel it should be updated to reflect my childish sense of humour; not much to ask of the science community, is it?
  • 1 0
 The guy is going to get paid for all is hard work !! It's about cash now, he won everything there is to win, He needs to look after himself and his family, Bravo ! I wish him the best of luck in 2016
  • 3 0
 Rider/team change are more exciting than any new standard on the bike industry!!!
  • 3 0
 Not sure if he gained a better bike. Deeper pockets maybe, I hope he does well but I liked him with Yeti
  • 1 0
 I guess it will be "cool" for me to ride my Spec Enduro again... Thank goodness!

But doesn't Jared know how poorly those FSR's ride compared to DW's/VPP/Switchs, etc...? OOPS!
  • 1 0
 I much prefer the way my Transition Patrol rides to the way my Nomad did... by a long way.
  • 1 0
 try the 2016 Bronson or 5010 they work great
  • 1 0
 Switch infinity takes the anti-squat curve of a VPP and marries it to the braking character of a single pivot and a basically flat leverage ratio curve. Yeti did a good job of placing the anti-squat curve inflection point right at the sag area, so the pedal kickback might be slightly more tolerable than typical VPPs, but still a healthy dose. The enduros do have a really high mean leverage ratio, which I don't care for, but the kinematics won't be slowing him down.
  • 3 2
 I'm sure a pro like Jared just wants to ride the bike he feels most comfortable on. He must have given the bike a demo before he signed on.
  • 4 1
 I mean this partnership could be epic.
  • 16 1
 one could say his demo included hopping rocks and jumping stumps.
  • 2 7
flag RedBurn (Dec 16, 2015 at 11:40) (Below Threshold)
 or yeti fired him and he went on his own knock at specialized's door?
  • 16 3
 Anyone with a Brain can see that he's going to SWAT the competition in Epic fashion. Despite all the off Camber comments, the Pitch of his Roll to the Command Post of Enduro will Fuse a new Era of dominance. He will continue to Strongarm the competition and leave them in Future-Shock, changing the Fate of Enduro racing forever.
  • 2 1
 @RedBurn all reports were that Yeti were scrambling for ways to try and keep him. Any brand in the world would be lucky to have Gravey on their bike.
  • 2 0
 We are really butchering these puns
  • 2 0
 Haters gonna hate, but JG is all class!! Saw him and the spesh boys in my backyard and was super stoked!!
  • 5 4
 Quoting Taylor Swift is not helping your case
  • 1 0
 I wonder if this puts EXTRA pressure on Curtis to perform. He hasn't done that well over the past couple injuries although sickness and a crash this year didn't help him.
  • 3 0
 RedBull is going to hate the fact they will be filming a lot of Graves with a Monster energy sticker.
maybe Graves is "on track" to picking up a new energy drink sponno....
  • 2 0
 This is a serious question. Why all the hate on Specialized? I own two Specialized bikes and love both of them.
  • 1 1
 They sued the person who named the Rockhopper Penguin.
  • 1 0
 Cunts hate them because their top line MTBs outperform their Santa Cruz and Yeti bikes that they paid too much for... thinking they are trendy
  • 8 5
 now Specialized is the best in DH and enduro ... pretty unfair haha
  • 7 1
 They'll still have Troy, but will they still be "the best" in DH after Gwin leaves for YT??
  • 1 1
 I think their DH team is good, but with Rat coming off an injury and Loic always nipping on the heels of Gwin...I would actually disagree. Plus, who to say that Graves is going to have the same issues as Gwin where they were constantly tweaking the rear end that whole year before they got it right for him in 2015.
  • 3 2
 what is this legend with gwin and YT ?? they can't afford .. and these bikes are FR machines but not WC DH machine .. wouldn't suit gwin
  • 9 0
 Will Aaron Gwin move to YT?
Do whales shit in the woods?
  • 1 1
 right on point
  • 3 0
 Im sure they do somewhere.
  • 1 0
 i think gwin to yt would be like cam zink to yt. kind of buying into the company sort of
  • 2 1
 @skivt27 @Jack-McLovin @RedBurn Remember this thread when Gwin announces his move to YT... Wink
  • 1 0
 @ScandiumRider The only reason he'd move to YT is if Specialized wanted to rid of them, which is very unlikely. And he's leaving it a bit late. Surely he'd have announced it a while ago so he could get some practice in on the yt bike before worlds...?
  • 1 0
 www.iamspecialized.com/riders/?team=Specialized-Racing-Mountain

Gwin mysteriously not there on the official rider roster...
  • 1 0
 @Jack-McLovin Gwin signed a three season contract with Specialized (2013, 2014, 2015). Plus worlds are not until September 2016 in Val di Sole, so that's a pretty long time to practice...
  • 1 0
 @ScandiumRider Hmm, that is slightly worrying... He's still riding a demo in his latest instagram posts (3 days ago). Not sure why he hasn't said anything, or Specialized/YT at that.
  • 1 0
 @ScandiumRider But then again, neither is Graves on there. So perhaps they'll update Graves and Gwin (if Gwin has signed another contract) in early 2016, as that would be when their contract will start.
  • 2 0
 So no redesigned Enduro? I thought for sure it would get a big refresh this spring.
  • 2 0
 I think that is the plan, 2017 Enduro.. but like the 2016 Stumpjumper, expect it to hit the public in early summer, so my guess is the team will be riding them all year..
  • 1 0
 That's why we didn't get a clear view of the bike. Expect him to be racing the proto.
  • 1 0
 The design changes will probably be a full carbon rear, twat box (lol) and lighter overall weight. The geo and design is spot in imo.
  • 1 0
 I actually didn't see this coming. I didn't read up on the speculation. Interesting to see him go from yeti to spesh. The best of luck to him.
  • 2 1
 curtis must be super keene on getting jared on the team. all aboard the gravy train..! choo .. choo..

ps.. only 34 secs of jared on the bike..? disappointing..

P"
  • 1 0
 With Fab Barel gone, I'm rooting for Jared all the way but still won't make me want to buy one of their bikes or their house brand stuff.
  • 2 0
 Am I colorblind or Is he wearing TURQUOISE gloves in that video?!?!

Ha....
  • 1 2
 So what's he gna do after specialized now that he said " No other brand has the full complement of top-shelf bikes and gear and the level of commitment to success."
He should have said they make a really solid product that many people enjoy. .etc etc
  • 3 1
 This is like Chewbacca joining the Empire (I guess he likes cookies)
  • 2 2
 All you angst filled haters out there with your bike racism, enjoy your broodish outlooks while I have fun riding my Enduro handing out high-fives to everyone along the way.
  • 2 0
 Oh damn Jared....not that Company...
  • 1 0
 uuuh accomplishments unrivaled? Respect to Graves but th name Clements comes to mind… : /
  • 1 0
 specialized needed graves for there enduro team because curt was not cutting it
  • 1 0
 If it weren't for Specialized we wouldn't have mountain biking. Learn your mountain bike history, knuckleheads!
  • 2 0
 A lot of change ups this year. The big guys are gobbling up all the talent
  • 3 1
 Curtis has no excuses now
  • 3 1
 Looks like im not selling my enduro anymore
  • 2 0
 Maybe he will get that enduro a 65 degree HA !!
  • 2 0
 Quite a devicive subject, but I'm glad someone is making money from riding
  • 2 0
 Worst kept secret at least here in Oz
  • 1 0
 Yep, Us here in Oz (South East Queensland) have known about it for about 3 months now. Very old news
  • 2 0
 That means he'll have to change the sweet graphics on his car.. ????
  • 1 3
 Good for Jared. Seems like a good guy and he deserves it. Now that I got that out of the way... I hate Specialized too. For various reasons, but the number one reason being that they are the "Wal-Mart" of bike companies. They have everything, and buy everything up so that they have the technology. They are too big. I'm all about the underdog. Give me a smaller, more personal builder that isn't into buying all the top talent. Let's just call them something like "Mocky Rountain".

I used to work at a LBS, and the "other guys" had the big red S. That's probably the start of my hate. You couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting somebody on a Specialized. Entry level, mid-level, high-end bikes, it didn't matter, they seemed to be everywhere. Well, they seem to have fallen off a bit, but now I would say that Santa Cruz is the next in line to take over Specialized's crown. Those things are everywhere. I don't know if it is good marketing, or what, but they seem to be doing well. I think there are many, many other brands that have equal quality of ride and build, but are a smaller company. There isn't a "best bike EVAR!" in any category, so what gives?
  • 1 3
 I called this as soon as I saw the article about him leaving Yeti. Jared is in this for the money and for nothing else! There's only a few big names in the industry that can cut him a big fat cheque! This was the same reason why Gwin left Trek....money can talk! Good for him and only will 2016 tell how well he performs.
  • 1 0
 Knew it..
Jared have a good luck and i wish that when you will race in the alps a YETI will chase you. Wink
Much love!
  • 1 0
 Keene will be shown what can be done with an Enduro...
  • 1 0
 Jared
Can I please have one of your old yeti bike?
Thanks and congrats
  • 3 0
 No way! What will he train on? He's only pulling out the Special Ed for race day and photo ops.
  • 1 0
 Our worst nightmare. Goodbye FOX and Shimano.
  • 8 7
 I really would of liked to see Jared be with a smaller company
  • 20 0
 Dude put it his time with a smaller company. He deserves to get paid as one of the top MTBers of all time. No love for S, but you gotta say "good for him" in this moment.
  • 6 5
 what about the enduro 29er?? Will he ride that??
  • 4 0
 Just in time for the release of the new Enduro.
  • 2 1
 I think for certain courses he will ride one.
  • 1 0
 @mikeep why do you think you got downvoted for that comment? What's so bad about JG riding an E29 for some courses?
  • 1 0
 @alexsin I guess there are still lots of 29er haters out there. He might not ride one at all, it may not suit his riding style.
  • 3 6
 @beerhunter called this two days ago in the Jared Graves - Over a Decade with Yeti article. Some good analysis there too about the decision. Hopefully Graves will help push Curtis Keene along to get some more consistent results. He's got the personality and is great with the media but just hasn't quite got the results yet. Best of luck to you Jared!
  • 14 0
 People have been calling this for months.
  • 4 1
 That's true, the speculation has been around for a while.

If you look at the EWS series results there is a big range of bike manufacturers represented in the to ten. That says to me that it is the rider, rather than the bike, which is the key to good results.

As others have said in this thread spesh makes good bikes. I have had one for myself and one for my wife. The reason I will never buy another is their preoccupation with proprietary parts that you cannot get anywhere else and are very hard to upgrade. To me, it is a corporate tactic to building in obsolescence so that their bikes are turned over more often, and to force you to buy overpriced, high margin replacement parts.

I wonder if Jared will get access to suspension parts that are made just for him to get a wider range of setup options on the stumpy? Also, I wonder how he will go on spesh tyres. The maxxis range that he has been on for years is both broad and high quality, and I'm not convinced that the spesh branded tyres are in the same class. I guess that the spesh DH riders smashed it this year, they can't be too bad.

Personally, if I had a choice between an SB5C and a Stumpjumper at the same spec level and same price, I'd go with the Yeti any day. They are just the sexiest bikes you can buy, in my opinion.
  • 3 0
 Considering Maxxis and Specialized tires are made in the same factory (CST) using more or less the same technology, and having some VERY similar tread patterns, I wouldnt think that it will be much of an adjustment at all. Like you mentioned with the Spesh DH guys being the dominant team this year, whos to say the Spesh tires arent better than Maxxis? Afterall, the minion DHF that Jared rode pretty much exclusively over the past 3 seasons is now a 13 year old tread design.
  • 1 0
 @beerhunter that's just the thing....you'll never see a Specialized and Yet at the same price point AND same spec. Yet is going to be more $$.
  • 5 6
 Everyone having unfounded issues with Specialized brand can watch or rather listen to this. The devil himself takes the stage:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=oMBDhkSUYUg
  • 3 0
 Honest question: Do you think that talk helped or hurt Specialized's reputation? I took it as a very candid and (at some times, some not so) humble talk. He seemed genuinely remorseful about the Roubaix encounter at least.
  • 6 3
 The reason I posted it, is so that people can get a more humane side of the company, in fact every company. Companies are not some non-uniform unspecified creations run by robots, so i.e. if someone writes that this bike is utter sht, he is effectively hurting people who designed it. I think only a man/woman who has never made anything physical, can say such thing and mean it, at the same time, he/she would never be able to say it straight into the face of any employee of such company, being aware who they are. I do laugh at many things in the industry (Boost is stupid: a badly executed good idea) but I don't hold any grudge and would shake any hand that made a bicycle.
  • 1 0
 great for Jared.
but...
see comment #1.
  • 1 0
 Now what happens with Ropelato?
  • 2 0
 Down hill
  • 1 1
 Nope, he was racing Enduro's last I heard.
  • 1 0
 Yep, I seen him race a PRO-GRT on his Enduro this year. Next year I believe he wants to go back to downhill.
  • 1 0
 Well, Grave danger is coming soon......
  • 1 0
 Sweet SP now has a top 5 guy and a mid pack guy.
  • 1 0
 Damn, I want to see more footage of him riding like that. So smooth.
  • 2 0
 Money talks.
  • 1 0
 Maybe he will have a custom painted turquoise stumpy or enduro......
  • 1 0
 Didn't see that coming at all.
  • 1 0
 Specialized is the New York Yankees of bike companies.
  • 1 0
 Yeti has always sponsored the top racers befor they hit there prime.
  • 1 0
 well...seems spec wants to win enduro races next year!!
  • 1 0
 Curtis had better LIGHT UP this year!
  • 1 0
 What happens when the intoxication of success has evaporated???
  • 1 0
 Hookser Don't
  • 1 0
 Jared Mould
  • 1 1
 Shadyized since their inception
  • 1 0
 nice
  • 5 4
 Legitness
  • 5 5
 Awesome! Interested to see how his results are affected by new bike.
  • 6 10
flag DylanDaSilva (Dec 16, 2015 at 10:16) (Below Threshold)
 They'll get worse because the 6c is the best ever bike.
  • 2 2
 And Sram/Rockshox as well by the looks of it.
  • 1 1
 I believe that is one of the sponsors of the specialized factory team just like the yeti/fox factory team.
  • 3 3
 I don't believe it. The world is collapsing!
  • 1 2
 I too voted for Prawo i Specialized
  • 1 0
 Team Stumpy!
  • 1 0
 Gonna be unstoppable
  • 1 0
 Humanity is doomed!
  • 3 4
 Hey Specialized, I wonder is suing that bike shop in Canada payed off? ya think?
  • 1 0
 Need more video
  • 1 0
 HELL YES
  • 3 3
 That's pretty neat
  • 2 2
 A great signing
  • 1 1
 hell yeah
  • 1 3
 good bloke graves riding for the biggest prick in the industry mike sinyard
  • 1 2
 The quote from Jared is one of the most disgusting things I've ever read!
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