There are a good number of dropper posts on the market these days, with many different designs to choose from that all look to do similar things in the end, but that hasn't stopped 9Point8 from designing their own version that they say offers a different take on getting your seat out of the way.
The $499 USD Pulse, which is manufactured at 9Point8's factory in Ancaster, Canada, gives users a stepping function that allows the seat to be lowered in just 5mm increments with a pull of its third brake lever-like remote, or to be positioned anywhere in its 100mm of available travel. 9Point8 also takes a different approach to selling the Pulse, with it and many of its small parts being available for order directly off of their website as opposed to going through standard distribution channels. Likewise, they deal directly with consumers when it comes to service and warranty issues, and the Pulse comes with a limited lifetime warranty.
9Point8 Pulse Details:
• Total travel: 100mm
• 5mm stepping increments or infinite
• Dual function remote trigger
• Hydraulic internals, air sprung
• Offset head available (25mm, $35 USD)
• Sizes: 30.9 and 31.6mm
• Manufactured in Canada
• Limited lifetime warranty
• Weight: 686 grams (31.6mm, w/ remote and cable)
• MSRP: $499 USD
Construction The Pulse's stepping feature is controlled by way of a special valve (shown at right) that allows for both 5mm incremental changes in height or for the rider to adjust their saddle infinitely anywhere within its 100mm of travel. 9Point8 says that the design utilizes a constant volume displacing piston and a two-stage hydraulic valve, and the entire assembly threads into the Pulse's head to sit just under the actuation arm. Pulling on the remote lever only part way in order to activate the stepping function will tug down on the actuation arm, which then compresses the valve slightly and displaces a constant amount of fluid that correlates with a single 5mm drop in saddle height. The valve will then return to its resting location automatically, regardless of if you're still holding the remote's trigger in the same stepping position. Releasing the trigger allows the actuation arm to relax, letting you step down another 5mm or pull the trigger through its entire throw to allow the post to move through its stroke freely, with the valve's oil passage opening completely when doing so.
The two-stage valve isn't the only clever bit hidden within the Pulse's black aluminum body - the 9Point8 also employs a cunning brass key-way design that they say greatly reduces rotational play between the outer body and the stanchion tube that might otherwise increase over time. Brass keys aren't anything new of course, and they are used in most dropper posts, but 9Point8's are different in two ways: each of the three keys is actually split in half and hollow, with a small spring between each portion; and they also sport a unique bullet shape that corresponds with their homes machined into the bottom of the Pulse's stanchion tube. The idea is to allow the keys to self-adjust in length, thanks to the spring between each half, as both them and their channels wear, thereby lessening the amount of free play that might develop over the long haul.
The Pulse's split brass keys have been designed to compensate for wear by extending sightly in length over time.
Return speed can be adjusted by raising or lowering the pressure of the air spring with a standard shock pump that threads onto an air valve located at the bottom of the Pulse. 9Point8 ships the post with a nitrogen charge of 200 PSI, and they recommend between 150 and 250 PSI depending on your needs and the conditions. For example, extremely cold temperatures may mean that you'll have to run a higher pressure in order for the post to rebound at regular speeds. Despite the nitrogen charge that it comes stock from 9Point8 with, using standard air will have zero affect on its performance.
It's very well thought out head separates seat rail clamping and angle adjustment duties, as well as being easily convertible between in-line and offset positions.
The Pulse's head uses a sturdy looking design that separates fore/aft and seat angle adjustments, a smart layout that means removing your seat for whatever reason won't see you starting from scratch in regards to your preferred seat angle. The opposing horizontal rail clamp bolts are tightened down with a 4mm hex tool, while a set of inline vertical bolts thread into replaceable steel barrels and adjust saddle angle. These inline bolts require a 3mm hex tool, which is slightly smaller than what the rail clamp bolts ask for, and the cable clamp bolt on the actuation arm requires yet a different 2.5mm hex key. 9Point8 have also gone to great lengths to meet the needs of different riders who may require either an in-line or setback seating position, with a $35 USD conversion kit available that consists of an interchangeable rail clamp assembly that gives 25mm of setback.
Installation The Pulse comes with very concise and clear instructions, and installation should be a pretty straight forward job for anyone who knows how to use a wrench. As with any dropper post whose actuation takes place at its head, it is best to at least ballpark your saddle height before trimming the housing in order to be sure that you nail the correct length the first time, something that requires bolting your seat in place if you don't know your measured height to the seat rail clamp. The opposing horizontal twin 4mm hex head rail clamp bolts make this much easier than the more common inline vertical bolts because you aren't required to align any inserts or barrels that would otherwise be present. We would like to see a deeper tool interface used on these, though, even if the torque required doesn't call for it - something tells us that many home mechanics would appreciate this. With the correct height sorted out we could now remove the seat to give better access to the cable clamping bolt, as well as move on to trimming and installing the cable and housing to the exact length.
If you've ever swapped a cable on a shifter or mechanical brake, you'll have zero issues with dialling in the Pulse. It is clear where the cable needs to be clamped thanks to a shallow channel machined into the actuation arm, and the cable gets pinned under a good sized washer that keeps it from migrating as you tighten the clamping bolt down. Again, we'd like to see different hardware used, with the clamp bolt tool interface being both too shallow and too small for our liking. The hardware complaint aside, the Pulse is free of any real setup trouble that we could find, and we especially like the separation of the post's seat angle and rail clamp bolts that mean the angle of your seat won't be altered when you remove it to access the cable anchor bolt or for any other reason. It does mean that there is an extra set of steel bolts compared to the more common two-bolt design, but the slight weight increase is well worth it in our minds.
While the post itself presented no issues during installation, the Pulse's remote may cause some riders grief when they try to find a suitable angle for it on their handlebar. The lever is ambidextrous, and it's smartly designed clamp makes it simple to slip onto the bar without removing any other controls, but the position of the lever
pivot doesn't play nice with brakes that use a large master cylinder like that found on Shimano stoppers. The result is that the remote is forced into a position closer to parallel with the ground than we would ever use otherwise. We do admittedly run our brake levers slightly higher than many prefer, but we also ran into the same issue when using the Pulse with Avid's sleeker master cylinder, although to a much lesser degree. To 9Point8's credit, they will mail you a cardboard template of the remote so you can check to see if it works well with your handlebar setup, a smart and thoughtful move on their part, and they are also currently designing a more traditional remote that will be available as a stock option with the Pulse at the time of purchase. .
PerformancePulse's "third brake lever" remote admittedly had us questioning 9Point8's reasoning for not going with a more traditional thumb operated design after we ran through the post's initial setup, but how does it perform on the trail? Well, we've still got for the same question for them, but the design does pan out better than we first expected. As with anything else control related, the key is having it sit in a position that makes sense for your hands, something that took a few tries for us to get right... or at least close to right. Part of this is down to the aforementioned angle that it sits at due to where our brake levers rest, but reach also plays a role here as the remote's lever blade is a touch short for our liking. This meant we had to stretch a bit to grab it, and it ended up not feeling terribly ergonomic. We did get mostly used to it eventually, and the concept could be made even better with a slightly different shape and perch layout, but we can't help but wonder why 9Point8 didn't employ some sort of smaller thumb remote up against the grip from the get-go as Specialized and KS have done, the two most intuitive setups out there right now. To their credit, they have realized that the current remote won't be for everyone and have designed a push-style version that can be situated either above or below the handlebar, as well as set in either a vertical or horizontal plane. We weren't able to source the new style remote before writing this review, but it looks to be a big improvement, and riders can order it as an add-on when they purchase their Pulse seat post directly from 9Point8.
We didn't find the Pulse's trigger style remote to be nearly as convenient as push button thumb versions found on other posts, especially in high-speed situations.
From the Pulse's remote to its stepping function, the post's action is unlike anything else currently on the market. This became apparent the first time we went to use the Pulse, as the remote sports very distinct action through its throw thanks to the post's two-stage hydraulic valve. Pull the lever part way while weighting the seat to activate the stepping feature and it drops down just 5mm, with it then stopping until you release and pull the trigger again to lower it a further 5mm. This can be done repeatedly to locate the Pulse anywhere in its 100mm of travel in 5mm increments, which means there are twenty different seat heights to choose from. You can also pull the lever past its well defined indexing point to allow it to lower unrestricted. Using the stepping function might sound clumsy when read here but it did work as advertised on the trail, and it could be done somewhat efficiently once we were used to the action. Is it as fast as lowering a non-indexed post such as a Kronolog or Reverb to the desired height? Definitely not, but it does have an assuring feel to it that will prevent you from lowering your seat past the height you were looking for. After much trail-time we would like to see a version of the Pulse that offers 10mm steps instead of 5mm, thereby speeding up the process of lowering the seat - 5mm just seems a bit to exacting for our tastes, especially in the heat of the moment on the trail when approaching a technical move. We also quickly realized that it would be tricky to use both the brake lever and the Pulse's remote at the same time, an act that we wished was easier due to how often one grabs a handful of brake while also trying to lower their seat to prepare themselves as they roll into a tricky section. This was less of an issue on slow speed terrain such as steep roll-ins that one approaches with caution, but much more of a concern when speeds picked up and reaction times become critical. Again, this isn't an issue with thumb operated remotes, and 9Point8's newly designed lever should address this complaint.
9Point8 is working on a new style remote that should solve our grievances with the current trigger design tested here, and it's an option that we recommend going with when ordering the Pulse.
The post itself proved to be very smooth throughout its travel, with no jamming or grinding to report during the months and months of abuse we've put it through, an evaluation that saw it used in some pretty terrible weather and countless post-ride jet washings. The travel was also consistently easy to attain, with no noticeable ramp-up in weighting required to compress it near the end of its stroke, something that hampers a few other air-sprung dropper posts on the market. The same can be said of the post's rebound stroke, with it returning to full height quickly but in a controlled way, and its small yet audible top-out clunk is a nice feature as it let us know that the seat was back up to full height. You are also able to use the stepping function to raise the post 5mm at a time, although we didn't find this useful in the slightest when put into practice on the trail - when we wanted to raise the seat, we wanted it raised to full mast. And although the 9.8 utilizes hydraulic internals, the seat can't be pulled up through its travel when lifting the bike in that manner when the seat is lowered, a nice attribute of the Pulse's design. It is also worth noting that it required zero cable tension adjustment after the initial break-in period, meaning that it's far less finicky than some other cable operated designs out there.
Stepping function and remote design aside, potential owners will have to ask themselves if 100mm of travel will be enough for their needs. A few years ago we would have said that yes, that amount of drop is more than enough to get the job done, but now that we've had plenty of time on 125mm and 150mm travel seat posts, we found the Pulse's shorter stroke a bit of a irritant in technical terrain, and especially when faced with any serious jump or drop. This might not be an issue if you've never used a longer travel dropper post, and especially not if you don't often get too rowdy on the trail, but if we're going to install a 686 gram dropper post to our bike, which is heavier than options from KS, RockShox, FOX, and Specialized, by the way, we would like it to have more than 100mm of travel.
The Pulse's head proved to be creak and groan free during our time with it.
Issues We did discover one major issue with the Pulse seat post during testing: it would creep up in its travel when ridden over extended and extremely rough ground. It was never a lot, maybe only an inch at most, but it isn't a pleasant feeling to discover that your seat is slightly higher than expected mid-way through a gnarly section of trail. This was exacerbated by the post sporting 100mm of overall travel, 25 - 50mm less than some of the competition, which means that every little bit of available drop helps. We originally suspected our test bike's suspension linkage was interfering with the actuation cable, but that was proven to not be the case when the same issue occurred on multiple other test rigs, as well as with the cable completely undone to eliminate the possibility of too much tension being the source of the problem. The issue only occurred on terrain that rattled the bike around quite a bit, which lead us to believe that the post's two-step hydraulic actuation assembly was being knocked into action in such situations and, as it turned out, that was the case. ''
No other customers have reported this issue, but after you mentioned it to us, we tested all posts in our warehouse,'' 9Point8's Steven Park told us. ''
We discovered that a handful of them would creep slightly under vibration. This was caused by the seal in the main piston. We’ve since begun using a much better seal that does not creep. All posts sold after July 9, 2013, have the new seal, and should any customers discover this problem, we’ll replace the seal for them at no cost under our lifetime warranty.''
Some riders might take contention with the actuation point being on the seat post's head, but we're still adamant that giving the cable proper routing will eliminate any complications on that front - we used a few zip-ties where required and never once had the cable rub either the rear tire or our legs. It won't ever been as clean as the stationary routing found on a KS LEV or Crank Brothers' Kronolog, though, or as resistant to contamination as a design the uses internal routing.
Pinkbike's take: | 9Point8's Pulse seat post is quite unique compared to other options on the market, but the real question is if its distinctive design and function makes it better than the competition. At this point, we'd have to say that the answer is that it doesn't, and that its novel stepping action isn't practical enough for it to really be an advantage over other designs currently available. Having said that, the Pulse's 100mm of travel can also be used without accessing the stepping function by simply pulling the remote's trigger further in its throw, an approach that we ended up using more often than not. All things considered, the Pulse requires some refining before we'd choose it for our own bike over other dropper posts. - Mike levy |
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The cost comes from somewhere.
I'm not a big fan of the reverb stealth either, I don't like having hydraulic lines internally routed. Or really anything much internally routed...I end up changing cables often, and it's too much bother. I meant mounted like gravity dropper's...I think that's the least compromise. External routing for ease of service, but cuts down on extra cable. That's the best design so far IMO, solves many of the issues that annoy me the most.
And good they're creating a new remote, because whoever had the idea for the first one should be shot.
Droppers are an excellent addition to mountain biking, but truthfully they all suck right now. Every single one of them has serious shortcomings. I'm not talking about trade-offs that don't work for a particular person, but outright sub-optimal engineering. 10 years. That's how long I think it will take for the industry to get the kinks out of this technology. This is like the elastomer fork era of dropper technology.
EDIT: lol, I just realized what you ment nah I just look around a lot for great deals. If you're not in a hurry to get new parts / upgrades, and you take time to search around / wait for the right deals (new or 2nd hand), it's possible to build a bike for around 20-25% of the retail value. So if you spend half a year to a year building a bike and spending 400 euros on it, you can have a bike that has a retail value of 1600-2000 euros.
@mattin you are abselutely correct but at least they could work with lowering the production costs and the weigh instead of reinventing the same thing over and over again...
Couple of years back I started thinking of getting a dropper post, I was only worried about the price vs. durability. I should have bought the item sooner. I'll never go back to a normal post on MTB, so I can recommend these for anyone who doesn't yet have one. Useful in everything except road or CX.
And weight? - what the hell man? My Reverb weighs 550g, that is not even 300g more than Thomson Elite and If you want a 200g carbon post you spend same or more money than a Reverb... 300 freaking grams for a dramatical improvement in how you ride your bike in a varried terrain. I can barely think of any other thing than tubeless or wide that comes close to how it changed my riding, I'd rather give up the rear suspension than the dropper post - come to Gbg, I'll give you my 11,5kg carbon blur TR with super light wheels but without the dropper and I'll ride the hardtail with heavy wheels, locked out fork and the dropper. That will straight you up
It seems that with each new release, the cost goes up, quality stays about the same?
But cold temperature will lead to problems with everything that contains oil.
A fork won't work at -20C either
Here let me fix that for you:
The average rider would prefer more " stoke."
BTW, I have no idea what you're talking about when you use the term "oil-slug" and neither does Google.
That has yet to happen with the bikes we ride and most of the components that go on them so I cannot imagine it will happen anytime soon for dropper posts, I have been battling with my will power for over a year now trying to resist getting one but these damn enduro races where you are descending one minute then on an arduous climb the next are starting to sway me towards getting a dropper, I'm gonna bide my time though and save bit by bit to get the right one.
This effect will not work when the sellers are arranging terms (trust) or when governments set a floor price.
499$ for a dropper post is too much imo. I´ll get one asap when these are ~100€ and working properly without the need for often maintenance.
Look at where suspension fork and hydraulic disc brakes are at right now. The cheapest suspension forks can already be bought at around €30-€40 retail price, and I've seen low-budget hydraulic brakes at around €50,- newfor retail. Now I know that these are low-quality parts, but they are still much higher quality than when suspension forks / hydraulic disc brakes were new and super expensive / overpriced. Give it 5-10 years and you can probably buy no name dropper posts for €50,- retail that work better than the most expensive ones we have now.
Just look at a few years ago, fox and RS were the top fork makers. Now that marzo seems to be back in the game sr suntour churning out apparently good stuff combined with Xfusion, bos, magura and emerald (soon enough hopefully) with CCDB as a rear shock maker, the average shock price hasn't gone down much in the last few years except maybe for xfusion that seems to be undercutting some. Hell, every new dropper post seems to be more expensive than the last one. Now I understand that technology evolves and R&D is expensive but when you look at stuff that doesn't change much, like tires, pedals, chain guides or crank arms, it's the same deal.
If looking at a given quality, the price should still drop when there are more competitors in a certain field.
The above is market theory, I`m not into biking for long enough to make an educated guess if the theory is fulfilled in reality.
Then I saw the weight. Then I saw the price. Happens to me every time!
My greatest concern. I push the limits when riding . So I crash. If my bike goes cart wheeling with out me and it does some times. What happens if I hit the seat violently with a side blow? How strong are these contraptions.?
How many peeps eventualy end up with sloppy fitting malfunctioning Dropper post?
wassup with that?